 Here we go. That's fabulous. So I want to welcome everybody to today's meeting of the Jones library building committee. We're operating under authority granted by the state legislature and the governor, which allows us to meet virtually through March of 2023. And we are being, we are being recorded and the recording will be posted in the appropriate unusual way to the town's website. So I just want to make sure that everybody is can speak and be heard. So if you'd signify. When I ask you your presence Sharon here. Hey, thank you, Christine. Yeah. Thank you, Sean. Here. Alex here. Paul Backelman present. Thank you and Austin is present and we are joined by our two fabulous colleagues from from Colliers. Okay. So the first order of business are the approval of minutes from July 5. We do not have them yet so that'll have to be for next time. That's what I said, the second order of business will be the approval of minutes. Okay. Financial update. Sean, do you have anything for us? Yeah, I've got a few items. So one, we're continuing our dialogue with find going Alexander on the contract. I know it's a recurring theme but it's really just focused on getting these sort of specialty design fields in place so Craig's doing a lot of work to sort of get that complete so thank Craig for all the back and forth he's doing to get that wrapped up. And we want to pay fine gold but we can't really pay them until we get a contract in place. So there's, you know, there's urgency on both sides to get that done. The caught and Craig sorry if I take some of your thunder, the cost estimating meeting that we were going to have next week that's been pushed off a week. Just there's some, some time, more time needed by the cost estimator so that's been pushed off an additional week. So I won't be able to attend that meeting. If there's anybody else who wants to go in my place I think Craig said, you know, we can have somebody there but it's not required. So if there's anybody else who wants to go. Not this next week but the week after or sorry not this week but next week, like right now. I did give a presentation to the finance committee on the four building projects. If anybody's interested in that you know it's not the most optimistic presentation but essentially just things we've all talked about in terms of the changing economic realities but we did update the finance committee on that. And then the last thing is we do have a, I believe a June invoice I don't think we've approved that yet unless I'm missing a date so I can bring that up for the committee to consider. Thank you, sure. All right, so this is the June invoice. Same amount as previous months. This will be the fifth month that we've paid for. And you can see we're about 50% or so through the design phase. Right. Okay, is there a motion to approve the payment of this invoice. Second. All right, terrific. Any discussion about the invoice. Which just disappeared. Do you want me to bring it back up. No, no, no, no, I can't see people when when it's up so. No, I appreciate you doing that unless there are any questions any questions. Okay, so Craig, are we all are we on track in terms of our contract with you all and in terms of leading up to leading up to the bid phase with the current calendar are we on track. So 50% through design phase so just wondering how that's how we're doing in terms of our contract with you and building up to that. So I don't have any reason to believe that we're not sort of on track but I don't I have not looked at it so I will double check and let you know. Okay, thank you. Sorry. No, thank you. Okay, so I'll ask you whether you vote to approve the payment of the invoice the recommended payment of the invoice Sharon. Yes, Christine. Yes, Sean. Yes, Alex. Yes. Paul Bachleman. Yes, Xander. Yes. And George. Yes. And Austin votes yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sean anything else. Nope, that is a. Okay, any questions about any of the financial issues. Awesome. I don't have a question but maybe I'd like to report something that Sean and I talked about and that was last meeting, I had presented that financial analysis the project finance report. But Sean, if it's okay with the committee, I'd like to present that once a month. So, great. One would be the, you know, the first meeting in August. That sounds great. Sean, does that work for you? Yeah, no, I think that makes a lot of sense. It's not changing a lot right now. I mean, there may be a point in time or we want to do it more frequently but I think once a month is good timing. Okay, anything else about finances. All right, thanks. The next item is a report from Colliers. And I just want to say, before Colliers reports on, at least for me, how grateful I am for the work that Colliers has has done. Craig is amazingly responsive. No response to me sometimes answers questions before they're asked, but his responses are prompt, thorough, and very helpful so very grateful for the work that you are all doing. Thank you very much, Austin. All right, you're on. All right. So, for the updates. So project schedule. So we are still in the tail end of schematic design as Sean mentioned. That cost estimating portion of the phase. We just a reminder, we had, we have two cost estimates coming in one from the design team and one from a cost estimator that was hired directly by the town. Then we'll reconcile it once with those are both in hand we have one now the other one is expected at the end of the day tomorrow. Once we have those will begin reconciling them and we have a meeting scheduled Sean mentioned it, August 3. And that will be remote. The design team will be there their cost estimator. My team will be there will and I will be there with our cause with the town's cost estimator and then if someone from the town wanted to be present for it that they're more than welcome. Let's see what else we got so design update. So right now the design team is in a little bit of a holding pattern. So they that schematic design package was finished July 1. But until we have the cost that cost known. There's not a whole lot that they're proceeding there they may be proceeding with some routine things, but the next big step is giving them approval to move in design development and so that that'll be done once we have the costs in hand. We have a meeting with MVLC. And then, once all the everything everyone's satisfied that we are in a good place to move forward with the scope and the cost. Then we will. I think we talked about last time, if those costs come in high, which, you know, there's a good chance that they will given the market conditions. We will in embark on a value engineering exercise and present to the building committee. The reconcile costs, as well as a list of ideas where we can potentially reduce costs for you to consider. I think speaking with Christine. offline, we talked about, you know, you know where those cost reduction efforts may fall some of them. And I think when we looked at the calendar, the jail BC will be seeing that information first before the next design subcommittee, but some of those cost reduction strategies may you may want to defer or send down to the design subcommittee for review and consideration. So it will be a process where the information is presented. And then, and then decided upon. Any questions about that process. Sandra, I thought I saw your hand go up just a little while ago so I just want to. Yeah, thank you. The, I wanted to just double check Craig, the August 6 cost reconciliation meeting. Is that open to the public and our materials disclosed ahead of time or is that something that people will be digesting these facts on the fly in the meeting itself. Thank you, Senator. So to answer your first question. No would not be open to the public. This would be a closed meeting between your consultants, maybe with one representative of the town. And then the second question about sharing the information in advance. The town or the library has commissioned these two cost estimates and so the information is rightfully yours. However, it is still somewhat of a rough state. And so it would be my recommendation that we not share that those cost estimates until they've been reconciled. So once they've been reviewed scrutinized and reconciled, then they're a little more real. And the reason why I, that's my recommendation is because the cost estimates while they are very good at what they do. They are new to this project. And so, there may be some big things in there that shouldn't be, or some big things that are missing that that should be present. And so that'll be colliers and the design teams responsibility to sort of clean that up before we turn it over to you and the public. So I just want to make sure standard if I could just get Paul to weigh in on that. Paul, is that that sound appropriate to you. Yeah, I mean what Craig said, sure. Yeah, great. Just want to make sure Xander go ahead. Yeah, just to follow up with someone unfamiliar with this process. When you say there are things that are that might be in there that certainly shouldn't be your things that aren't. So give an example of where you've seen that in similar processes. So folks have an understanding of what we're talking about. Certainly so one of the things that we were just, Will and I were on a call with the design team earlier today. One of the first things we look at is the square footage. So the design team has in their design a certain size of the building. And they just typically do not take that face value rather they go and they do their own, what we call take off where you measure the whole building and determine the area. So if you ask three different people to do that exercise you may come up with three different results. So what we will do is we will look at the areas that the cost estimators are assuming, based on their takeoffs, and see how well that corresponds to what the design has built in to their model and they have the model so they know best the areas. And the reason why that's sort of the first thing we do is because the building area is a one of the biggest contributing factors to cost. So if it's all off by 1000 square feet, it might not seem like a lot, but at today's construction costs that that could be a million dollars. That's extremely helpful. Thank you as someone who lived in a city until very recently 1000 square feet is a huge deal. And thank you to your whole team. And, you know, you and will for always staying so late I always see your offices are empty behind you and I appreciate that you're staying in the Thank you. Glad to help when we can but these are just graphics. I thought you were just sitting in the exact same place. Okay, so Alex. Yeah, I just have a, I guess a procedural question. I heard you say Craig that this committee will see the value engineering the reconciled estimate with the value engineering ideas before design committee does and it sounded like that was by sort of preset meetings versus what the process should actually be so I guess I'm putting out to the group. Should it go to design first and if so, like, should we schedule a meeting and make that happen rather than being sort of tied to this preset meeting schedule. Everyone on the design committee is on the Jones library building committee and what I understood Craig to say was that Craig would present it to the committee and then the committee would raise questions or shoe on it and and refer it so to speak for the further consideration of the design committee that sounds like a plausible possibility but maybe not Sean. I was just building up what Alex said Craig will you look to the committee for thumbs up thumbs down on the different ideas on the ve ideas like if there's five of them we look to see for us to vote on yeah we want to do three of them. To give the designers that direction moving forward or how will that process play out. Sean you've got it exactly right so the ideas will be generated largely in that reconciliation meeting sort of at the tail end of it or possibly via email or a conference call afterwards. And then the cost estimators will do like mini cost estimate exercise, and then we'll be presenting to the library building committee. An idea and here's how much we think it will reduce the cost. And then yes we would be looking for direction before the design team takes any action on those ideas, we will look for direction from the new folks. And depending on what they are. They may take a while to get to that direction. Absolutely. Right. So there may be a design committee can look at it might be some conversation in the outreach committee. We're not looking at the information available to the public but we won't know that until we see what the don't really have a sense of that until we see what where we are and what the ideas are. Exactly. I was just clarifying what I heard is it coming to us first because of meeting schedules versus it was the right place to start so if it's the right place to start that's great. I was just. And so I Alex, if the way I presented it was a little confusing. It was more what I was trying to say was the library building committee meeting will be the next will be the first meeting where the information is available. And so yes it is a natural place to do to. Great. Great. And the right place. Great. Other questions at this point for Craig. Like you have other things for us. Only to apologize that I still have not given a report to Sharon about the the interim locations that that she has been working hard to collect and feed to me so coming soon I promise. Okay. Okay, other, any other questions or issues that anybody wants to raise at this point with colliers. Okay. Thank you Craig. So, subcommittee reports. First, the design committee Christine. So we had a meeting on the 15. And we went through another about 150 comments. And again, a shout out to the outreach committee this, you know, it's great the way that they're coming to us and. I don't know if someone wants to share their screen to show them Austin, you say, how do we want to go over these so we have another batch who sort of get everybody to weigh in on. And again, it's the same columns we've been looking at this column D the white one that's action responses that it's already in the works. It's kind of a comment. And then there's green, which is, it's, we're agreeing, and we're sending off for the designers to chew on a little bit. And F, which is the maybe, and we don't have too many of those maybe five that are to be discussed amongst our group, and we can hit those first off. And then there's G, which is the red column that's, we disagree, it's either the ship assailed or, you know, due to experts like our director for library just won't work or we know that it won't work for the design we have but appreciate the comments nonetheless. So, normally, we just really look at the maybes and the disagrees. I think the disagrees are pretty straightforward. We need to discuss the maybes but I'm also open to whether or not people want to discuss wrote the, we agree, only because we're at a point and Craig if you can weigh in or Sharon on this. You know, we're sending these to designer. Is it too late. We don't want to be asking them for something that's going to mess with their procedure and cost more money or effort. So we need to be careful or we're getting more careful as we're, you know, getting into dd. What are we sending to our designers and telling them. So, and, and anyone, if you have any questions on this group of yellow 715 comments, please, you know, raise your hand and bring that specific comment. Craig. Thank you, awesome. Christine's exactly right. From my perspective. I'm sure everyone here recalls but in case someone from the public is tuning in and was not in the earlier library building committee meetings. We had identified sort of a period of time where public comment would be most impactful. And that was as we collected through schematic design which now we're at the tail end of that. Going into design development. Certain comments might not impact the eventual product. And so those comments would be things having to do with the building massing to a certain extent the layout. Large moves that the design team has now baked in to their product. There are still opportunities to collect public comment and some of those we've talked about in the past would be color palettes which is, you know, interior exterior colors of things, the landscape, which is constructed very last at the end of the project and to a certain extent, the building is not dependent on it. So things of those nature, exterior colors, look and feel on the interior. So those are the things that if the public continues to comment those are the ones that will have the most weight most impact, whereas comments on you know I would like the library to be taller shorter, larger smaller, those ones. We can still receive, but then they'll be almost the response will be almost perfunctory that you know we've passed that point in the design. Great. So, uh, Sharon, do you want to say anything about this you want to lead us through and points to particular things please. Sure. So I'm thinking we start with the maybes, and then we do the disagrees and then if if others want to go back to anything in column erd that's great to great. So starting with comment number 332. We felt that this is not applicable to the designer, some adult books near the children section. Okay, going down to comment 353. I'm glad to see the large west windows have been scaled down how can passive solar be incorporated into the Jones. We thought that would be discussed during design development. Come at 354 same thing to be discussed concerns about the roof holding up during the winter. Having a snap corner in the teen room. It's not something that the net needs to go to the designer, a deck or a porch off of the teen room, we can look at that during design development. Come at 149 dual screens. That is not for the designers that will be based on us and our it budget. And that's the end of the maybes. So any questions or thoughts about the maybes. Okay, Sharon. For the disagree column, comment number 303 of the children's see through floor or a buried dinosaur I love that idea but no. We're not in the top garden. We're disagreeing with a bed, we're disagreeing with the proposed facade of the addition is too heavy, we disagreed with that. Don't expand at all we're disagreeing with that. Looking at the design of the West Somerville branch library, not as imposing as the schematic design for the Jones we disagreed. We disagreed on that multiple small rooms in the teen space we're disagreeing with that animals and alpaca as much as I love alpacas know water elements and libraries not a good idea a pool know ping pong know, although these are fabulous ideas. There will be a separate space with separate entrance it will be a separate space, and there will be an entrance but it won't be a separate exterior entrance everybody comes in through the same front door everybody leaves to the same front door. Stairway on edges of building versus the middle. We're disagreeing on that. No, we're disagreeing on that. The Civil War tablets. We're disagreeing with have we want to have a designated gallery. The cafe outside we're just we're not going to be providing food but people are always welcome to bring their own food and eat outside. What we should remain as is, we can't do that we have to make it handicapped accessible, imitating the shape of the old building we disagree with that comment don't expand we disagree. Lots of light but not so much glass inside we disagreeing with that. We're just neo brutal less we're disagreeing with that. A tree swing to read in as much as I love a tree swing note we're going to pass on that. A lot we had a nice conversation about this the long beautiful table for communal reading. We can all picture a very classic historic public library or academic library where everybody sits at the same table. But we, we decided against this, primarily because people tend to sit at their own tables. They just want, they tend to just want to be alone. We're going with the disagree, expanding audio book access we're disagreeing with that to for now, basically because so much of library information is streaming, and that's where everything is headed, but we don't know what will happen in the future. We're disagreeing on the communal table. We're disagreeing on plants in general, you know, not that we don't we don't we love plants. The problem is, you need somebody to take care of it and you really need to pay somebody to take care of that. A soda stream in the teen teen room no comfy couches we won't be doing that in the teen room. Our our teen room in the library will be for everybody. I don't think there are any plans for brick walls within the library. We decided against fake fires in the fireplaces just because it's another thing to break. So that's everything. Right. Thank you Sharon. Okay. So, just to say, Austin, we have three that are in the movies that say to be discussed. And how would you like to handle those. I have a couple of questions first Christine and then we'll come back. If that's okay. I got Alex, and then Xander, Alex. Xander's hand was up for us. So I'll wait for Xander. I mean, we could just go in order of parts of my name. So why don't you go first Alex. I don't want to view actually ask you a question. Fine. I'll go first. So one, I just on some of these, I can either do it publicly here or Sharon I can do it with you but on areas where we've been disagreeing when I've been updating the public document I'm just trying to add a little information about why we're disagreeing and so I'm happy to circle you because I couldn't attend your meeting and you guys couldn't record it because it had to be in person so we can do that at a different time if that makes sense. The other thing. So there are certain comments and for example comment 335 current proposed facade of addition is too heavy handed heavy materials heavy roof massing light enough and there are a couple of comments in there about softer curvature and so not to get into the outreach subcommittees report but we're, I guess I'm tempted to leave those. Not in the disagree column because I think we're going to be leading some exterior walks around the building because talking to people one on one and having them really tell us what they mean I think is going to be more effective because I don't know what people think about this and so I just, I hate to, I hate to just sort of be like, we disagree with you so I, anything that sort of talking about the way the exterior looks I'd like to sort of table those for after we're doing these walking tours. If that makes sense to the group, because then maybe we can get a little more specific, and then figure out whether where we are can address it. So I take it that just to for myself. If we say we disagree now. There's nothing to say that we can't come back and say we changed our mind. But, um, so I don't think there's a huge amount at stake whether we have it in the disagree column right now, because we can always come back and say you know we change would change their mind, but if you're would be more comfortable, and we'll put it in the maybe column. The logic is I think that if people aren't watching our meetings and they come into the public documents you disagree they make the conversations over and maybe they don't come and talk to me and want them to come talk to me. Okay, terrific. Great. Anything else Alex. Yeah. The other thing to do to do where was it. Cool ping pong. There were also like the soda stream, for example, like, I mean to me that's like I don't even know why we're talking about a side teams want a soda stream that's up to, you know, Cecilia and the teens I think I don't know like it that's not a built in architectural design or anything. So again it's just that came directly from teens. And again I'm just trying to be mindful of, like I'd rather put that in, in the like any designer and then let the teams work it out with the team, the head of team services and less chair and feel strongly otherwise that just felt like a Can you tell me what comment it is just so I can find them. Yeah, it is. 203. 203. Line 130 on your report 203 in the comment number. There we go. I just want to make sure I understand this with the library director spoke pretty directly against this when we discussed it in the committee. Okay, yeah, it wasn't there. I don't know. I know I know but I'm, I'm not criticizing you I'm simply saying that I wanted. I'm a little confused and I'm confused because the library director spoke pretty strongly against it. So I don't know whether the library director now wants to say it's really this is really an open conversation. And if she does that's fine but that that was not where we were when we were in the design committee. Yeah, no, so, so a soda stream implies a constant budget thing. And having to clean up after it. So I wouldn't say I am happy to sit down with Cecilia and the teens and talk about that. Right now, my instinct says no. Yeah, but I do agree with you Alex about, you know, one of the things several of these things are more about like programming I would I would consider this a programming thing and it's not the designers don't care whether or not we purchase a soda stream. Right. So again, for purpose of what we're doing. I don't think this is in the maybe column. It's not, it's not applicable it's just not. If sometime later the library wants to do a soda screen so does I mean you can do it. No, and this falls into the category of me getting like now I have the details from you so now I feel like I can, I feel like a team goes back and sees it, then they understand you know what I mean for me I'm just coming at the public comes to this they're not at this meeting or they weren't able to attend the meeting because it was an in person meeting and just giving people understanding of why decisions are made. And the only other thing was the team. There was the language about having an inviting space for BIPOC teams that said disagree, which I'm pretty sure that's, I'm pretty sure we don't disagree with that I just wasn't sure. I don't know how that was. Maybe I'd follow up with you on I don't know. So, so again, and maybe the comment is unclear. I don't know if this comment was going at the town's desire to have a teen BIPOC center. So that's what we're disagreeing with, only because that's not the purpose of the library's teen space so that's why we disagreed. Well, and that's what I was trying to clarify was not that we didn't want a welcoming place but that we're not replacing the towns. Great. Perfect. All right, Xander. Yeah. I don't know how to phrase this as a question but there's a tension that I felt going through these comments specifically around the idea that your comments about long tables are these lovely romanticized ideas. I think people primarily want to be alone. Just opposed to the teens, several comments of them requesting sort of individualized space whether that's comfy couches or spaces, or like, whatever. And there seems to be a tension there of we want to create individualized space but we don't trust teens to have individualized space. That meant just for teens. The single chairs get used more than couches do. And so if you spend the money and the square footage, limited money and limited square footage on a couch or even just a love seat, and primarily only one person is going to sit there. It just doesn't make sense to do that. So by two individual chairs. This has nothing to do with teens. This is just libraries in general. Thank you for clarifying that. Thank you. And also I really wish we had the dinosaur floor. I know. Okay. So Christine, you were you wanted to raise a couple of other issues. So we have. So, are we to, are we going to vote or do we just all agree? How are we going to send these and there are still a few in the maybe column. Which do we want to move them out of the maybe column or just send them to the designer that way. So there were a few comments that you suggested we wanted to discuss this three of them. Maybe, maybe we'd be good now to raise them to draw people's attention to them and let's discuss them. Okay. So the first one was 353. Right. Thank you. I'm glad to see the large windows have been scaled down. How can passive solar be incorporated into the Jones and I know we don't have our designers here but I'm hoping Craig, maybe you can give us because you weren't at that meeting. So I'm hoping you can give us some of these that you can give us a little nudge either way of how to handle these Craig. So that's, I, unfortunately, I do not have any insight additional insight to add to this one. I'm not totally clear on the size of the windows before versus now. I do believe in general, I do believe final Alexander is relying on passive solar. To a certain extent, being included in the design window shading to control unwanted heat gain, but you know skylights to allow for daylighting. So sorry that's not a whole lot of information there. We could safely move that to the already in the works code that they're looking at passive solar. I think so. So, I think, I think so. So we're not putting it in the green like it's extra work worth saying like they're already looking it's net zero and solar and all that. Right. And so maybe in this one. Put a little note, find Alexander please confirm. Okay, put it in the already in the works and need designer confirmation. Right. If someone could do it. Thank you so the next one is the next line down 354. There are concerns about the roof design holding up in winter over the years. Charles Charles which will hold ice as it expands and contracts damaging the roof and creating leaks. A durable New England roof should have its highest point in the center with good steep angles down from there. And no Charles, which collects ice and water, which I can understand why this comment, you know, with the current library, why people would be concerned. Again, Craig. I, I is like, we're moving out of, we're out of SD and we're in DD. I assume there's not going to be big changes in the roof lines at this point. Craig. Craig you just froze on us. Oh, sorry. I can hear you. Okay. I see. Now we can't hear you. Can you hear me? Craig, we, you're not, we're not, we're not able to hear you. Right. So because you're in the very same space with Will, if you just move over into his box, we could, that would help. Craig, are you now able to speak. Well now. It's same thing it's in and out. Maybe come back. You can do that. I have a couple of other issues that I don't think involve you at, which I can bring up now while you try to sort yourself out. Okay. So hold on Christine, before you go, Zander, you have your hand up. Yeah. With those last two that Christine brought up. If I understand this correctly, that if. If they're put in the actionary response agree, right, then like effectively we as the JLBC are asking the designers to actively work on that. Right. It goes in the green. Yes. Cool. So with both of those things. We're not sure that they're working on passive solar, but that is something important to this committee. If we're not sure if the roof has, they're considering durability God, I hope they are, but if they're, you know, it sounds like we care about there being a roof on our building. That's going to hold up in New England snow. So is there. Should we not just put those in the green so that we are actively asking the design team to incorporate them. Well, so we haven't heard Craig's answer on the second one yet, but the first one he said put it in the white because he knows they are working on passive solar elements, but we just want to confirm it. He believes that they might be. We want them to 100% be. I've heard them say they are. So I don't think. Yeah, but either way, the designers will look at the white and the green, but I hear what you're saying. When Craig comes back, he can tell us what he thinks about the second one because I'm not sure. I just want to say the following. I think that the questions that were raised are appropriate and that we should just raise them with the designer. And you should, I don't whether you put it in the yellow the green you want to ask FAA. What are you doing about passive solar and what are your thoughts about this comment about the roof. And I think that's what we, that's what we're asking. That's what we want them to do. So there's then I think the last, the third one is just line 390, which is teens, a deck or porch off the teen room, which Sharon might be able to give us a little thoughts on what that means. Sharon. I think there, there is a lovely desire to have an outdoor space attached to the teen room. But where it is located right now on the first floor, it's just not, it's not possible that I can see. But, you know, I think it's an opportunity possibly to talk with the designers during design development. There is a, there's an emergency exit off of the team off of that room. But it's small it's an emergency exit so it's not like there's a deck. And I don't think there could be a deck because the driveway is right there. George. I just wanted to add to that it's also that area is also on historic 1928 structure so you likely would not be able to make any exterior changes to put a deck there. I just want to also remind Sharon you also had talked about supervision of that space like is it open all the time or is it just for when they're having special events. So again, I mean, if it's just an emergency exit like it is now there's nothing, there's nothing to supervise it's. I don't know what else to say I would need the architects input. I wonder if anybody on the committee wants to weigh in on whether they think putting a deck is the thing that we that we want to do. Okay, no, there's no opinion about the deck. George. I am against the concept. Okay. Xander. Um, I think it is a lovely concept and maybe worth engaging creatively, because there are a number of outdoor spaces currently right. So I think that's the current design of the building whether it's the garden whether it's the tent out front. And this might be a programming possibility of like, how, how, how do we use the outdoor spaces to be inviting to do two teams right and like, is there a way that we can do that. Because I hear the supervision question, although I do want to re re raise the idea that I think there is the question of like, do we not trust teams. And if so, is that inviting to them. Yeah, so I think this might be a programming question and being creative on how do we look at the gardens and the other surrounding lands, because it doesn't necessarily need to be playing some wood to be an outdoor space for them. Thank you, Alex. Yeah, I echo what Xander said I actually love that idea and I think about I have a college aid student and as I'm sure you know being in a college every college. These days has, you know, spaces where kids hang their hammocks that's like all the rage these days, you know, like putting your hammock up and reading a book so I like the idea of thinking creatively about how we use the outside spaces. And the more things we do to be inviting to teams, I think the better just to just to clarify, this isn't a teen thing I wouldn't trust adults on a deck either. It is it is a liability issue I if it were ground floor, I'm with you like there's a story time garden out out the front space near the children's room. I love that it's just that the location of the teen room is not on ground level. So it's not lending itself the design is not lending itself to having an outdoor space that abuts the teen space, but there are lots of outdoor spaces and anybody can use them at any time. So I wonder if we can say, we don't agree with this particular proposal though we are interested in to use the phrase thinking creatively about outdoor spaces that would be attractive to teens. And I would say, if there's a possibility of going back to, to the, the suggestors here, or a team. The idea of there being small spaces for them to talk to their friends and the use of the gardens and how do we do that is a maybe opportunity for synergy, although I hate that word. And let's not forget, a large portion of Darwin's diaries are complaining about how he doesn't know how to set up a hammock. Paul. I agree with Sharon that decks, you know, above the first floor that aren't on the ground floor or problem liability wise. One piece of advice I give every college students, there's never a good reason to go on a deck or a roof, because that's where bad things happen. I don't think we want to create attractive nuisances in a sense where it where it can be a liability where someone falls off of a deck. So it's just a totally liability whoever it's for teens children, adults, whatever. So, I would be advocating very strongly to not do that but the idea of creating great cool spaces outside is I'm all for. Is that acceptable now to folks will say we don't agree about the deck, we are interested in the making attractive outdoor spaces for for teens and for everyone else. Okay, Christine, what else you got. Okay, so we have another 200 plus comments. I'm still on the spreadsheet that will move on to at some point again I'm Craig, are you back with us. I think I'm back, can you hear me. Yes. So, and I assume and I'm sure Alex outreach will tell us more later that they're doing all these, you know, great in person events and still talk to people. Just for process I'm wondering like how long are these comments going to be coming and Craig, at some point we're going to have to start sorting harder, where some of these comments, thank you, but it's too late. And some of these comments, it's sort of almost too early to deal with, because, you know, we're not into the inner details of the building at this point so first what's your take on how the design subgroup should proceed at this point. So, my recommendation is mostly to educate or inform the community about where we are in the process, and you know which comments are those ones that will that still have the ability to to impact the design and which ones that time has passed. I tried giving a quick overview earlier in this discussion, talking about you know building massing is sort of off the table at this point. But, you know, paint colors is something that is coming down the road. So, and then and there are others there are other comment types and categories that are still should still be open, or could still be open. So, Craig, isn't the appropriate thing at this point to forward to FAA. The, the, what we've just done what the design committee is recommended to us and what we've just done. And they can stay can hold on to them as appropriate. Yes. And that's the message that we've been giving them. These are things that the building committee and the community would like you to consider. If you can incorporate them, please do. If they're, if it's not feasible, we asked them to just give us a quick response back. And this one's not feasible because X, Y, C. Great. So, are we ready now to, to decide to forward these on, or is there any other comment or question anybody wants to make at this point about these. I just have one more point to point out on Christian on column D between comments, like there's others but between 401 and 413. We have a section that's ongoing, and we tried to loop all of those into exterior options. So we put them there because, you know, we've read them, we hear, but it's, it's an ongoing process right now. I assume Craig, when you come back in a few weeks with options for us to weigh in cost. That is where we will sort of deal with that and then we can go back and change this spreadsheet to be just like, I don't know if they agree, but that they were dealt with. So, um, Okay, we deal with is that when we're going to pick the external or does it come back to design. Um, I think that the two kind of work together in conjunction so you know certain exterior elements will be presumably too expensive or too costly for us to include into the in the project. So the value judgment, I think by the design subcommittee with sort of the cost and understanding a better understanding than we have now of the costs of the building and sort of what other potentials and opportunities. So when we forward this spreadsheet if we send it close to the way it is now with a few edits on the maybe. We just need to make it clear to the designer what that ongoing means in the end. It's not to influence them at all. It. That will be determined later. Right. I can deliver that message right turn this over to them I can explain what that means to them. That would be, that would be great. And I'm talking to Craig about this because he was not at our last meeting so. Absolutely. Now to forward this on. So I don't know that we really need a vote I just ask unanimous consent if anybody objects, they should object. Now. Okay, so we will forward it on to the FAA with Craig's gloss as as needed. Christine, anything else from the design subcommittee. I just want to circle back for something that we dealt with a month ago, the Civil War tablets I just wanted to ask if anyone has an update on how the Civil War tablet working group is doing they have we the designer had said they wanted some kind of guidance in August about how these are going to be great. Great Paul. Yeah, so there isn't, they won't have an answer in August I think that we should assume that they'll be hanging on the walls that's the safest way to look at it I think that gives us options going forward. And because I don't there's just not going to happen in the next two weeks basically. And I think that the most conservative approach is to say, it's on the ground floor, if they're in the floor that should be supported but if they're on the walls, the designer should think about what that, what those walls should look like. Okay. So, when we send forward these comments, my suggestion is in the email or whatever. Right. We also include that assumption and tell the designers at this point. To go with build the walls in a way that they can support these very heavy tablets. Is that what we're saying as a committee. Yes. Okay, well I will share that information and I presume just to clarify presume it's the new walls I know that room as it's currently envisioned has two walls that are existing existing foundation, the design teams that there are two new walls and those are the easiest for them to say detail in a way that can support these heavy elements. So to be the new walls that we're asking them to design. Can I say it really depends on, you know how the rooms are oriented, and where all the tablets can be hung. They don't have to tell us I feel like. Okay, sort of working forward and backward. These are the areas that we would like to have them and they'll say well these are the areas that have the capacity to hold them. Thank you. Thank you. Christine did I see you. Yeah, so just to finish out, that's how I heard them saying it that they really need to work with the new walls and not be old walls it would be much too problematic and costly. The last thing I just want to say everyone, our next meeting is Friday at 9am and it will be on zoom. Thank you Christine Alex. Yeah, I just wanted to suggest so an ECA is the point person for the Civil War tablets for this committee so she's obviously been unable to attend these meetings but I would just suggest sending her an email directly to confirm your understanding before we send anything to the techs. Right. Sharon, please. I mean, I'm meeting with an ECA tomorrow. Right. Terrific. Thank you very much. Okay, so with thanks to the design committee for its terrific work. We'll go on now to the outreach subcommittee. Alex. So we met on July 19 last Tuesday. And just shout out to the group and shout out to everybody because over the course of two months we collected 2487 comments from the public, which is a pretty good number I think in two months. And interestingly, almost 1000 of those come from teams, which is really cool to see so much engagement happening for teams. And we, in our newsletter resumed last this Sunday went out in the newsletter that went out three weeks ago. We stated that schematic design comments were ending July one, we again said at this time that they ended July one, and everything where we were collecting comments was taken down in the library so I think we very clearly told people that phase is coming up and to be looking forward to the next phases and we'll be putting things out. Tomorrow is the first walking exterior walking tour that we're going to be giving the folks the idea of being with renderings in hand and the building in front of us, instead of a comment, but I don't know what to do with. But I think the graphic details back to everybody in terms of what people want to see in terms of minor changes to the exterior. And then there's also one July 31 because what else am I going to do on my birthday but we did a tour at the library at nine in the morning. So those two haven't been super heavily advertised because I want to see how they go. And then if they go the way we hope to then we'll get it out there in a larger more public fashion. So in the letter we did put out a request to see if anyone could help us with maybe area, doing an aerial video of the tour. The committee had an idea about, you know, doing something sort of like we did for the, for the walkthroughs of the other libraries where we could do an aerial tour that's available to people online and sort of have that conversation in a different way. That's pretty much it our next meeting is August 9 at 4pm. So first of all, thank you to Alex for the outreach committee, but Alex for this idea of this exterior tours. I think that's absolutely wonderful. And I'd like unanimous consent to wish Alex a happy birthday. Okay, with no objection as they say, Alex happy birthday. Okay, any questions outreach. Okay, and again thanks to the outreach committee. There is no correspondence that I know of for the committee to consider. Nothing that I've heard of in the last 48 hours for the committee to act on. So, next would be public comment we have now for attendees. If any of the members of the public who are attending via zoom would like to make a comment. This would be the time please signify by raising your hand. Okay, I see no hands raised and again thanks to the members of the public for coming. So, following the the bakerman rule. I'd like to say that we're adjourned. I wish everybody excuse me before we go, I see Xander's hand is up. So I don't mean to keep everyone I've just been dying to know. What does your shirt say Austin secrets and what. Let's, let's talk about that offline. Okay. Christine. Yeah, could you just go over what you're thinking of our schedule for the next month, because I see it says our next meeting is next Tuesday. I was just wondering what other meetings we're going to have in August, and then I knew there's some other specialty meetings. So, Sharon, do you want to say something about this about the schedule. Sorry, so, because we put this meeting off by a week. It basically. We have two choices we could not meet next week and we meet the following week or I just thought we would leave the schedule as it is because it's already all in our calendars which means we meet next week and that way. It doesn't screw up the outreach committees meeting schedule. So that's what I was thinking. And Craig again, will we, what will we have on the 2nd of August. The only thing that we would have that was not presented today is we will have that financial, the project financial report, not the cost estimate, but just the financial report. So, don't know that there would be a ton of content to discuss. So, we would have an opportunity to hear from the design subcommittee which meeting on Friday. Next, next Tuesday. But it seems to me that the agenda is not very full. And I'm kind of reluctant to say let's get together next week, when we don't seem to have a huge number of things that we would need to, that we will need to talk about. Thank you, Christine. This is also making me think our question Craig, even Friday's design subcommittee meeting. What is it. I know we have an agenda but I don't see much meat to it. Yes, so I spoke with final Alexander earlier today and asked them if there was anything that they were going to present or decisions they were looking for that meeting they said there were none. And right now as they work there developing what's called a work plan, which is kind of their roadmap over the course of design development. So they said that they'll have that to me soon. So I can compare it to the project schedule and make sure everything lines up. But as far as this Friday's meeting, they find gold Alexander does not have anything to present or, or any reasons to attend. Okay, so we'll come back to that Christine about whether you want to meet Sean. I'm sorry if this was already said are we not scheduled to meet on the 9th of August. Sharon. And I only ask because I feel like we probably want to meet as soon after that cost estimated meeting occurs as possible to get that going. Yeah, so that's what she said about the outreach that would require a bump in the outreach committee. Sharon. Yeah, exactly. And so maybe that's what we want to do is flip the two calendars. Okay, so let's let's do that. Let's move the Jones Library building committee meeting to the 9th. Alex will leave it to you to come up with a proposal for be scheduling the outreach committee. Christine. Do you want to say anything at this point about whether you want to cancel the design committee. I'm thinking we need to cancel for this Friday, but then I want to ask Craig. So when do you should it be the 12th after the 9th or, you know, again, sort of what Alex brought up earlier like we want, you know, here's what I'd like to process is orderly. Here's what I'd like to propose with to Sharon get together with Craig and look at all these possible meetings and come back with a proposal. Let's let's say we won't meet the design committee will not design because subcommittee will not meet on Friday. The building committee will not meet on the 2nd will next meet on the 9th and we'll hear from Sharon and Craig with the recommendation of these other these other meetings. Sounds good. Okay, Christine. And I know if you could estimate through the month of August, I know myself is trying to. Great days. Yeah, indeed, if you could estimate out as far as you can estimate that would be great. Thank you. Okay. I guess we should adjourn. Stay well everybody. Thank you all. Thank you.