 Alright, thanks for staying with us now. A report has revealed that 11,200 rape cases were reported in Nigeria last year, including children of some whom were defiled to death. Now this report was based on research carried out between March 2020 and August 2021. It included the interviews with 14 women and eight girls survivors aged between 12 and 42. The interviews were conducted in a Buja, Kano, Lagos, Sokote, Obao, Chi states, and of the victims, a second-year university student's age 22 was raped and brutally assaulted in a church near her hometown in Adostate Benin City in 2020, even though she succumbed to her injuries sadly days after she succumbed to her injury. Her case still remains quite prominent and we are hoping that she might find justice even in death. However, not many people can find justice. Now cultural stereotypes, failure to investigate cases and insufficient support for survivors have created a culture of silence and impunity and has given wings to perpetrators of rape. So today we want to find ways that we can curb rape and sexual crimes in Nigeria. Let's find ways that we can curb it. Now please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversations and there's an SMS or whatsapp that's the rate 1-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at Weishu AFK award with the hashtag Weishu. So I mean as I was saying earlier before we went on the break to come back, I was saying that I don't understand the psychology behind rape. I've never understood it. I can never understand it right. It can only tell me one thing that this person is not mentally sound. There's definitely something, no matter how the person presents to be like intact or there is something fundamentally wrong with that person because for a man to get to that point where they feel all women in some cases, because women rape, the only thing is that these things, men that are being raped, they take it as a what's it called? A thing of. A thing of, you know. Yeah, it happened and all of that and they don't see that sexual assault. It's that they are seeing it that, you know, I don't know for some funny reason it's pleasure for them. I mean I've had conversations with men that actually saw it as sexual assault and it basically has affected their sexual, their adult sexual lives because how they started was probably their household boy and auntie or somebody. So they keep on looking for those kind of people. Yeah and aside from that they basically think that that's how it should be and then when they start having like relationship with their peers, this now looks like this is what I already know and then you're experiencing that this person is so detached during sexual experience. So the problem becomes worse than, you know, what it looks like on the surface and these are things that people don't really talk about. People don't talk about it. The same way, you know, you have all these psychopaths that would kill people and eat them up or lock somebody up in the house for one year, you know, being maltreated not giving food and just because of the punishment. So for this kind of people, it's like a, it's a thrill. So like this family guy, he has the resources. Yeah, so if you check deeply, he's deeply wounded mentally from God knows how it started. However, he felt like let me try it and then it has, you know, they have this power that they feel when it's coming, when it's going to somebody that would hardly speak. That's why they go for minors. They'll threaten the person and say, don't tell anybody. I'll kill you or you'll die. I'll arrest your mother and some people that are not fully aware, they're not going to grow up enough. So it's like a, it's like a cycle that keeps going on. So you hurt one person, you're hurting another person. And before you know it, the entire nation is going through one trauma or the other, they are basically transferring the pain. So for this guy, of course, the psychological empath, empathetical part will come in to say he's not okay. He needs to seek help. However, I believe that the best thing we can do is to educate people, to understand that don't be quiet. You have to speak up. There was a news I saw today. A girl spoke up and said that she's 26 now and she has been raped by her brother since she was six. Oh my God. I told her mom about it and the mom just tells her, sorry, sorry. Like for 20 years. And you will notice a lot of these children will run away from home because they want to detach themselves from this pain. That is for the ones that have the guts and the mind to do this. And then the ones that don't have the mind, they will be inside suffering and smiling, but going through the hurt. And then if they now get to that mental place that they're like, you know what, I have to inflict this pain back on somebody. The next thing they start to do it. And they were wondering why the cycle keeps continuing. This is serious. So I like the fact that you've pointed out some really salient reasons why you see that there is continuous rape cases. In fact, I feel like this 11,200 is not even the real number. A lot more people that have been raped. There are more people that do not come out than people that come to speak up. And this is because of what you've just said. I tell you something and you say, instead of you to find, you know, a solution, you tell me, ah, don't worry. It will pass. You know, does that not tell you that even that mother might have also gone through the same thing. So she doesn't see any reason. I went to, I went to Gabon. I told you ladies about it. I went to Gabon, you know, at some point and I was privileged to visit a home where they keep victims of rape girls, you know, I saw a girl as little as four or five. Yeah, like they help to rehabilitate them to get over the trauma before they now reintroduce them back into the society. I saw a little girl as little as four and all of that. And guess what? Funny thing is that because this thing is not even unique to Nigeria in Africa. No, in that one, it is even, you must, it's almost like an unwritten rule that you must be raped by your family member. So this is not even like maybe an outsider sees you or something, right? So why do we keep having the rising cases? Maybe you help us break it down. Is it possible to curb rape and sexual crimes? And if you think it is possible, you know, what are the quick things that we can start to look at? It starts from the home. It starts from the home. It starts from teaching your child, you know, what is wrong and what is right. And it is not enough to even tell them, okay, be conscious of your private part is, is you need to instill that confidence in, in whoever it is, whether a lady or a guy, you know, to say, you have to learn to say no. Let's also look into the cases where it's consensual at some point or it's not really consensual and in the act, but you're saying no. You're saying no. And the person thinks that your no is not really no, but continues subconsciously your damage mentally. As in that one is even worse because you can't know most of those people are not going to come out to say I was raped. Well, you know in your heart of heart that you really did not want this. And there are times where you just come out and you're like, what the hell just happened? Well, you have to keep it moving because nobody's going to listen to you. The next thing they're going to say is why did you go there? Or what were you wearing or something like that, you know, and that should never, ever, ever be the reason, you know. I mean, I've had advances from family members and as I was getting older and relating it to my mom, and then she says, oh, subconsciously, she has always been scared, but you know, she didn't want to, she didn't, wait, she didn't want to, you know, instill such notion in my head, you know, but she just always prayed that, you know, they never, and I just smiled, you know, because I'm like, well, I really wish you didn't know better, you know. I'm not saying that maybe you're going to make a public or something, but you know, also teaching the person to confidently say no, to confidently say stop it, to what I know that she will do is if some uncles came to the house that I wasn't interested in going downstairs to greet them, she would just leave me and let me be like, okay, fine, you know, but it's just some, some deeper issues that I wish, you know, I would have had the confidence to be able to speak up, you know, about it. There's nothing, there's nothing serious, serious, you know, but it's just like now I'm older and I can't relate it to how she's like, you know, we talked about it, oh, but we didn't want, you know, you were pretty young and you're going on holidays there, so we didn't want, you know, you to stand now at that young age, you understand, looking at, you know, maybe an uncle in some kind of way, but I mean, you need to instill this confidence in your child from home. Absolutely. And the thing about the education part, right, is I think that is what is the biggest thing that is missing, you know, because again, people feel like children are too young, or yes, to have those conversations, because at some point in my life, you know, it was almost like there was a molestation that happened and I became a molester, you know, so it just took the grace, it's a cycle, it just took the grace of God, that it didn't go to that extent, right, or probably penetration or something, but you see the little plays that you play touching each other and, you know, those, that is how it starts, right. And most men are not, most of the guys that I, you know, that are, that indulge in rape, they are not confident enough, you know, to see a woman and say, you know what, I really love you and express their feeling to the rather want, that's what I'm point, they don't have that, so they don't have the capacity to express how they feel. Confidently talk to a woman, Mary, I love you, I love the way you're looking, would you like to go out with me? Yes, they need to be able to learn how to face rejection, they need to be able to learn how to talk to a woman confidently because why would I subject myself knowing that if I am caught, it can ruin my entire life and I still go ahead and do such a thing, it tells me that there's something deeper that I've not dealt with within myself. So it's not, you said knowing that I'll get caught, you see, a lot of people, if you check most Arab countries, the penalty is worth death, they will cut something or kill you, so those type of crimes, it's not like it doesn't happen, but you will rarely hear about it in those types of cases. It will be so hidden. So if at all is a public, like it's maybe so, so grave that just anybody, it's not even alleged though, not even that they cut you, that you wanted to rape somebody or you raped somebody and there is something that is being done immediately. Trust me, a lot of people will get to do it. So like I said, we have to start by educating people to understand that first of all, when somebody treats you, it's never, it's not only just when the person tries to penetrate you, when the person gives sexual advances, shut it down, scream. And shut it down and expose it. Like scream, do not even say, is my mother's brother, is my father, scream, because I know somebody that, I mean, I usually have self-awareness sessions with a couple of my friends and there was a conversation where having one day, a friend of mine mentioned that when she was about eight or nine, was when one of their cousins started molesting her, but it was from her sleep. So she would just feel somebody touching her from her sleep and then she wakes up, she'd be like, ah, what are you doing here? He'll go away. But he kept on coming back. This thing happened for years and the time it stopped was when she told her siblings and it was from advice from a friend like, ah, the report told her siblings, everybody was aware, the oldest in the house had a conversation with the guy and it stopped. But imagine that he was persistent for years. What happened if the girl had not just kept quiet and he had gotten in his way? That's another individual that has been hurt by rape and whatever the person tries to do with that situation is up to him or her. So you see this issue about touching somebody inside sleep? I can tell you for free that I know that in our own generation, a lot of those things happened. But again, back to what Mary had talked about, education. Even us, right? I don't think our parents even understood. Everybody just wants to shy away from the subject of sex. You want to shy away from subject of sex, molestation is happening under you because let me tell you for free. A lot of our generations, the ones that were born in the 80s, I don't know about this one. So a lot of those people experience that somebody touching you in the sleep, somebody pressing your private part or somebody telling you to come and sit on their lap and all of those, yes, all of those things happened. And it's close family members. Close family members, you don't know. For you to be able to report those kind of people takes a lot of confidence because you need to be able to say, I don't give a damn about what's going to happen. And again, because again, we were repressed in our expressions, right? Our generation was not the generation that you could just sit down like, the way my children talk to me today, I just, they wonder, say, you know, like our gender, we couldn't, we couldn't talk back at, you know, adults because it was considered rude. It was considered all sorts of things, right? So if an older person was doing something that you didn't feel comfortable with, you couldn't even express to that person that, please, can you stop this nonsense that you're doing? Because again, there was the culture of you must respect by all means, right? So some of these things, I think it has aided, right? What's it called? Crimes of sexual molestations and rape over the years, right? It has aided it. People need to understand that it is, it is more harm that the people are not aware. When my kids were going to boarding house, right, their boys, it's not a same sex school. I see needed to teach them. I had to teach them about what's it called, sexual molestation for boys. How, you know, because I had gory stories, was I scared? Yes. But I had to equip them with enough information that somebody cannot just come and tap your bum. For what? But the saddest part now is that he's a doctor. If also, so let me now go back to Dr. Leia Leia's own, because what is the most scary for me about his own case in particular? We all went for cervical cancer screening. Only God knows. No, see, because what I'm saying is that it is, it is really, really sad for him because he, he deals directly to the genitals of women, right? Everything that arouses a man, he's screening for breast, he's screening your, your vagina for cervical cancer and all of that. So that he deals directly to everything that arouses a man. So for somebody in that nature, you do not have that level of control and respect, God help. My question is that he's a doctor. He's a doctor and he has that kind of problem. What, what are the things that we need to put in place to ensure that our keg, what do you call them, being perfect checked in a way that I can a doctor? Let's, let's go on a break. That question is jam question. We're going to, we're going to attempt to answer it. Stay with us. We'll be right back. All right. Thanks for staying with us now. If you just tuned in, we're discussing curbing rape and sexual crimes in Nigeria. Now remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or what happened to the red one, 803-484-663. You can also tweet at us at Weisho AFK 1 with the hashtag Weisho. All right. So you asked a very, very important question because again, for somebody in that capacity as a medical doctor, so I cannot imagine my gynecologist when I was having my babies examining me and thinking of imagining things with me. It makes, because my gynecologist was a man, right? I mean, so I cannot imagine that. So, so, so now let me tell you how it's supposed to be best practices because the video that Elsie shared in the group was really disturbing of a patient that was in an admission in his hospital. He went there, took her or we could see the drip and everything with her, removed her clothes and he also removed his clothes and he had sexual, yes. So for me, that's all. It's a thrill and it's also a sickness. So for, when you say how do we curb, especially people that- He's a medical practitioner. Yeah, because you have proximity to my body. Sorry, you have access to my body as a medical doctor. You have access to my body, right? Because anything can go wrong. You need to check me and all of that. Ideally, the practice is supposed to be, you're supposed to be chaperoned. You are not as a male doctor going in to see a female patient alone. So those are the standards. Who is supposed to be checking them? Is it the medical guild of Nigeria? Is that, is it the medical association of Nigeria that is supposed to be checking that these practices are being followed through or is this the association of nurses or something? Because everybody knows that the human body is, God designed it to naturally respond to things. I mean, if I go naked today, now a lot of people's whatever would, you know, that's how it works. It is, it is a natural response. The only thing that then changes is now the maturity and the emotional intelligence to understand that this is not, yes, self-control. This is not the place all the time for this. I feel like the medical body should most likely be having like an annual mental evaluation. Because to be frank, everybody is human and we're dealing with one thing or the other. But the fact that you are a medical practitioner that has it almost how many thousands of women's care in your hands, which means that if you're not being checked, there's a possibility that there's so many other people, medical practitioners that are doing this thing, but nobody's saying anything about it. And just because maybe because he's a bit prominent and he's a meagre. So in underdeveloped states in Nigeria, this thing is definitely happening, but nobody's going to speak up and talk about it. So the great thing now is that shows like ways will just help amplify this conversation so that wherever you are in Nigeria, you should speak up. Nobody should make you feel like you should be afraid. Whatever will happen, the person should be the one that will get the punishment. I want to hear Mary's thoughts. Go ahead. I was going to ask you a question. When you say mental evaluation, how is that done? That should be the medical body's business, because what they should ensure because it speaks to them not to trigger. They gave the license to these people, so they should ensure that this license is given to you. There was a check before that license. There's a question coming. Let me hear that. Can the evaluation tell that, okay, this person is sick? You should check. If you listen to, if you watch some of these crime investigation, what's it called, shows in the U.S. or you work them on Netflix or whatever, you would understand that there's a psychology behind every crime. And it takes experts to sit with you and know that this one, she's a sociopath. She's like you're lost. So there are actually tests that can be carried out to check that you are mentally stable, you're emotionally stable and all of those things. So we are talking about tests to measure how sick the mind is. It is possible. Those tests are available. It is whether they now decide that it is a priority for them to do it, right? Because now, again, don't forget, I said, these 11,200 cases that came out, these are the ones that were bold enough to come out. And maybe some of them, the cases, the case was so bad that maybe they couldn't walk, there was, you know, so that was now. I know cases of people that have been raped. Guess what, when they get to the police station, the father and the mother, they just offer them 20,000 naira. They say, don't worry. Poverty! Because now we are talking about why there's a prevalence. Poverty is a big issue. Poverty is a big issue. Ignorance is a big issue. So when people are poor and they are ignorant, what then happens? Anybody can just come and wave the magic wand as little as 5,000 naira can get you out of rape case in Nigeria. Now, they say that the punishment for rape is life imprisonment. Do you think it is, what's it called? That punishment is a strong deterrent for rape, or do you think we should change it? I think it is. I think it's strong enough, because to be honest, killing their sentence is still long enough, but notwithstanding, you need to live long enough to actually know that what you've done is wrong. But the truth is, we can't, we don't have the laws in our own hands. We let the jury and the courts pass their verdict. No, but if we were to recommend a punishment, do we think that life imprisonment... So maybe they should... Because we are talking about curbing, no, no, no, we are talking about curbing rape, right? So if people are aware that there is a life imprisonment attached to this crime, and yet there's a high prevalence of rape, don't you think that life imprisonment is not a strong enough deterrent? I don't think is that the punishment is not strong enough. I think the issue is because people know they can get away with it, that is the issue. And the fact that when you sit down and you think about it, ah, if I go to the police now, nobody's going to believe me, nobody's going to believe me. Before I say this, they'll say, oh, why did I go there? Why did I put myself in a situation? You know, stuff like that. And when you think about everything, you're just like, oh, you know what, let me just solve my problem by myself. Do you understand? I'll deal with my trauma, I'll go for therapy and I'll be okay. But you are not okay. And subconsciously, maybe you too, you want to rape someone, that person, you get. So because, and that other guy now, he's just thinking, ah, nothing now. Nothing. You understand? Or maybe he's in a high position where you know that even if they go to police, I'll find my way out of it because, yeah, you can bribe your way out of everything here, right? So, I mean, I don't think is that the punishment is not harsh enough or strong enough. I just feel that there needs to be more strict adherence to it. I agree. Do you get? So now they've said, okay, maybe because this was called out on social media. That's why this guy, if not, maybe, who knows, maybe he has gotten a way with him before. He has, not it, maybe. Exactly. You get. It's not a one, it's not today. So if the people have the confidence that, oh, yes, you know, if I report this, if I speak up, something is going to be done. I kid you not, people will be able to speak up. But when you know that speaking up is not, is not, it is not for anything. Might as well keep quiet. So Angie mentioned, um, education as one of the ways to prevent this. I'm going to say self-defense. Go and learn how to defend. No, no, no. Because in situations whereby you're not prepared mentally. In the case that somebody I'm lying lifeless in the hospital, I've just been given. Wait, let's, let's paint the picture. You have to learn to defend yourself. No. This is, this is one scenario. Alero. So we're painting all pictures, right? There are some cases. Okay. Look at the young girl during the initial lockdown that we had, the very first lockdown in 2020. It was a case that happened in Ajax. I can never forget that case because the girl was lured by her friend to come for a party or something and apparently the girl had planned with the boys and the gang raped her. Do you understand my point? So this thing you're talking about self-defense, how weird do we even start from a self-defense? Or is it the one that I am in the hospital? They've just given me an aesthetic and I am, I'm probably paralyzed halfway down and somebody is humping on me. It's a different situation, right? Rape is just, it's just the most sickling thing that I can ever think of, right? So I mean, if you say 14 years, sorry, 12 years imprisonment without fine and the maximum punishment is life, whatever. But however, offenders is less than 14. If the offenders is less than 14 years old, the punishment is 14 years imprisonment, right? Maybe for the cases of these group people. All of these things are there. I like, you know, Mary's side, I mean, argument that maybe because we do not follow through processes, right? Now, for instance, this case now, he's been given an option of 50 million Naira bail and two shorties that will have landed properties in Lagos. Of course, he's going to deposit his, what's he called, his international passport, both his British and his Nigerian passport. But guess what? We know in Nigeria that a court case can drag forever, right? So maybe if we, if the government is really serious about fighting and helping to curb this very, very heinous crime, maybe the government should start by saying that, okay, you know what? If anything around rape or whatever, maximum of three months, the case must be done and dusted. Every single thing must be taken as priority. I mean, thank God for the people like the Mirabelle centers of this world. What's he called? I think Project Allathe and all of those people. Worry. They are the worst. Those are the people that started putting in a lot of pressure, you know, that even now that we've even gotten into, because before you go to a police station and you report a rape and they just look at you like, like nothing happened, right? So, I mean, social organizations, right? NGOs like these ones that I've mentioned, they've really helped because now a young girl knows that if I'm being raped, I shouldn't touch my body, I go straight to those, to the hospital and get all the samples out and everything so that those things will serve as evidence because there's another part of, you know, that consciousness that some people don't even understand that there's an evidence that needs to be gathered because the truth is the law is emotionless. The law only follows evidence. If you cannot provide an evidence to prove that you were raped, right? This is Dr. Femiola Lay and at this point, we must also commend what's her name and princess because it was almost looking like the case was hopeless, right? It was looking like the case was not going to get a headway. But you see, a lot of pressure, a lot of talk, a lot of, you know, counter pressure and more pressure and all of that would help. But do we have to get to that point where we need to pressure? Why can't we just get to a point where if something is reported, you understand? And that's why I wanted to say, okay, the Burmese case that we're talking about, right, bringing it back, you know, something has been reported, a crime has been committed, somebody has been lost. The person that even did it, there's no like, oh, it might be this person or it might be that person. And they have found and zeroed it in directly to the person. Why is it difficult, right? So it is the inhumane nature of our government that gives these people more wings to fly because if the government stands firm, like you rightly said, in some places, if you are caught with, even if it is 0.0 gram of cocaine, you are being hung, they will just hang you, they don't even have time. So if we start to treat, and that's why I'm saying that maybe life imprisonment might not be enough, you know, because again, people would get to that point where life imprisonment, they will wait, maybe they will use like five years to look for the get to the case. Then they will not tell you that, you know, after that five years, that five years that you did before counts for, it doesn't, our judicial system is too weak, right, to start to fight these things, you know, legally. So maybe we should start thinking about things like castration, things, you know, because if I, if you, if you remove the element of, if you remove the element of the crime that was used to perpetrate the crime, you know, castration, but again, they will not argue that what about women that rape men, what should they do? The question I actually want to ask, what happens in a situation whereby in the marriage, husband and wife, but the husband rips his wife constantly? Like I have, I know somebody who is experiencing this thing, what I say is, I mean, she has to run away, that's what I was saying, what is going to be done in that kind of scenario, because I'm certain that a lot of people in Nigeria are going through this type of thing, husbands raping their wives. So going by the definition of rape in law, in the law court, there's, there cannot be rape between a couple. A husband cannot be said to have raped his wife, even where the husband actually raped his wife, and there's overwhelming evidence. At worse, husbands that raped their wives get charged with lesser offenses, including in the centre salt, with mere maximum punishment of three years imprisonment. I hope that answers your question. So it now boils down to, you see why I said I really love the day we celebrated today, that women day, right? A woman that stays in an abusive relationship, she would go through all sorts of things. There will be battery, there will be rape, there will be all of those things. But the only reason a woman will stay in that relationship most time, research has shown that, you know, she is not financially empowered, she is not strong enough to stand on her own financially. So most times they would endure that situation, because the law does not recognise that, well, you have already been legally, it's almost like he owns you, right? Yeah, you know, and don't forget that we are still dealing with the patriarchal system that we have already. So I mean, there are so many things that are against women, right? There are so many things that are against women. You know, the reason why I feel this way is because I know somebody, this is happening too. So are you saying that she's just going to keep on going through this, like, she can decide to leave the marriage? She does what we're saying now, money. Most of the time women that go through this type of situations do not have financial capacity to actually be by themselves. That's the reason why we have to ensure that we're supporting women, we have to ensure that we're encouraging women to do better. And let's start to educate ourselves more. Let's take some comments. Let's start to educate ourselves more, because again, if we do not educate ourselves, you know, we'll just be going around in circles without any real change. Right. Yeah. Okay. For me, rape is a serious offense that should attract severe punishment. Apart from life imprisonment, there should be amputation of offender sex organ. I've said this part. Thank God you ladies have pointed out that women do rape too, although in low proportion. Growing up, I knew some of my friends were shy to woo a woman. But today, with advent of socialization, more ladies are eager to wink at the guy first. I recommend that offender should be subjected to mental tests like doctor who is exposed to female patients daily. Finally, some rape cases can be attributed to spiritual problems. A spell can be cast on one, maybe as punishment for sleeping with somebody's wife and all that. This is Austin from Delta. I don't understand. Is it a Mabu thing? I don't know. No, maybe he just said that they should be like a thunder. No, I think he's saying that like a spell. Like a curse to say, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, so when they just don't have control. Are people really afraid of all these spells and curses? No, maybe it's if it works. If you see a man who is sleeping anyhow, what comes to your head? Maybe the thoughts. Are you cursed? Is there something wrong with you? Are you feeling okay? Maybe the moment the person thinks about it. I think we would say a repercussion for what you have done. Oh my gosh, go ahead. Okay, so I have a comment here. Good evening, my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying ways. Covering rape and sexual crimes in Nigeria. Rape sexual crimes in Nigeria has been a normal daily occurrence and it is very shameful, disgraceful and embarrassing. The punishment and penalty for these crimes for now are very mild and is not supposed to be so. The punishment should be severe. Nigeria is taking these things for granted. I will suggest the idea of castration. Everybody suggesting castration. I'm telling you. I will suggest the idea of castration. This along will set an example for others to follow. My beautiful sister Lero, you are welcome back. Thank you. Thank you. I miss you a lot. I miss you too. And then he's asking about Isi, Norma and Jennifer. Thank you so much Daniel. But everybody's coming back so don't worry. So sex education should be enlightened on teenagers. You didn't leave your name. I was going to say that I found this piece very interesting and I want to just read an excerpt from the piece. It says that man is naturally selfish and people will not stop rape. Child marriage or crime generally. They will not stop rape. They will not stop child marriage or they will not stop crime generally because they care. Sorry they will not stop it because they care but they will stop it for the fear of the law. Laws will not be known and will not be known and obeyed after being enacted no matter how harsh the punishment there may be unless there is measurable constant awareness. So there is more to be done above and beyond enacting and amending laws. Legal awareness must be prioritized having in mind the education gap in Nigeria. Legal awareness is the vision behind the free daily law tips. Now so let us start to first of all get this awareness out there. This is the punishment this is this and let us then follow through. See if I know that if I pick this thing that is not my own and you know how it was we were so afraid to steal we were so afraid to do a lot of things because you were afraid of the repercussions. But there are no you know it's just like back in the day if you steal everything like to even steal then everybody like every time there was limited crime mostly when you come to your room. But no it's just on the high yeah right so I think we should we need to get to that point where we really must say you know what this is a menace and this has to stop and I want to commend people like princes that would never keep quiet. She's always going live on Instagram she's always talking there's another pastor now that she has called out I think the person is in Potacot or something she said he's next they let them finish dealing with him she's taking it back and guess what because now guess what is happening what she's doing is revolutionizing the the silence that has helped to further embalding rapist rapist right because now I know that princess would take up my case I've been quiet and I've been quiet hiding in my corner but when I saw what she did with her ah so the the boldness yeah was passed on to that young girl that eventually went to her she picked up Dr. Fermi's case now there's a third person that she's also talking about you understand so guess what would then happen more people will come out as a princess this thing this also this one also happened to me this also happened to me this also happened to me so you start having and that's the what happened with the Mitu movement in America right it started with one person talking and somebody actually oh actually so Mitu it happened to me too it happened to me too and now this Mitu is really taking down CEOs from companies people are resigning because again there is a strong what's it called against it there's a strong clear message against anything I mean there are free people that you can have like sexual intercourse with at your back and call why do you have to subject somebody you know to forcefully take advantage of their bodies so all of these things first of all we need to raise more therapists psychologists psychologists psychotherapists and all of those things whilst we're doing that then the law must really really be seen to really be in favor of the victims of rape absolutely I think we can end the conversation there thank you so much ladies Mary you know it's a serious conversation but I'm trying not to be too angry I don't want to be too angry all right thank you so much Alera we're happy to have you back yes I'm back I'm back and back and not back thank you we are we are we're not going for the end of the break but we we need to the break is necessary because by the time you see us in general we're coming with the bang thank you Mary all right so before we go do ensure you follow us across all our social media platforms that way through Africa you can interact with us further drop a comment and most importantly follow all our agreements on social media like and share and invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation I just want to quickly say that please if you know anyone around you that's been through rape or you know whatever it is sexual molestation and even if the person is not willing to talk go and report the case on the person's behalf most times we just these things continue because we stay quiet yeah if you missed our quote here it is again rape is one of the most terrible crimes on earth and it happens every few minutes the problem with groups who deal with rape is that they try to educate women about how to defend themselves what really needs to be done is teaching men not to rape go to the source and start from there and also teaching women not to rape because we've seen again that again women also rape men so let's not just limit the conversation it's just that the numbers are more on the sides of men that rape we'll see you guys tomorrow at 8 p.m. as we bring another conversation to your screen enjoy