 Why you going silent? All right, I won't go silent Raid was afraid of the video Don't be afraid Roger. We have three minutes to show time three So are there any awesome do you live? Like in the Portland suburb or actually in the city of Portland. I Am in the city of Portland. I'm in the southeast and It's kind of the east kind of the awesome part of Portland Right the best part. It is really is so you have um south beast The southeast is awesome. It's very neighborhoody But there are these cool strips of and I live off of one that reminds me a lot of like a mix between Kind of brooklyn and hate ashbury. Oh, okay So it's like you find a lot of thrift stores here and kind of punky smoke shops and they're cool You know grungy kids selling crystals on the street Yeah, right. Yeah, but then, you know, you have nice restaurants and other stuff and hate it would actually crystal Right exactly We have that it's funny. We have a very similar neighborhood here in LA We're we've got like a strip that's a block down of restaurants and thrift stores and there's a crystal shop and Yeah We're in an ethnically portland neighborhood. There we go. The various crystals must align Yeah, it's where it's it's probably where uh the portlandia Kids hang out when when they're not here. Yeah when they come here All right, you get really ready to do this show Yeah, let's do it then Okay, here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more Head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for thursday october 6th 2016 i'm tom mary very pleased to be joined today by dr Kirsten sanford aka dr kiki host of this week in science the longest running show in the world It seems like it right? It's been around forever. Yeah, man. It's a great show. It deserves to have its its long run You've been doing it since the literally the 90s, right? Yeah, I was like 98 99. Yeah. Yeah, it's inception. Yes I am a big fan and a supporter on patreon of this week in science. Uh, so um, it's been too long since we podcasted together Thanks for coming back today. I know i'm so excited. I got the email from roger and you and I was like Yay, let's make this happen Oh very good and we used to do uh tech news on tech news today on thursdays So it's appropriate to be back on a thursday. That's right tech science Yeah, yeah, and we've got that feel today because we've got a little nanotech for you later on in the show That's right. So we're gonna talk about Uh, wall street journal says snap, which is the new name of snapchat the parent company of snapchat Is preparing for a public stock offering or as those vc types like to call it an ipo The valuing of the company is rumored to be at 25 billion dollars or more and they're targeting march 2017 So those of you who uh can buy stock without conflict get your pens ready and here are some more top stories Uh oculus made several announcements that oculus connects thursday will move through these fairly swiftly Oculus lowered the specs required for the oculus rift vr headset You now Can get a because of a new software api called asynchronous space warp. That's just the name of the api You can run the rift on a machine with an nvidia 960 before you needed a 970 And an intel i 360 100 or an amd fx 43 50 or greater So that brings down the cost Of getting an oculus because you don't need quite as powerful machine at the base level Which is fantastic because then you get more people possibly getting into the oculus universe, which is what they want They have to bring the cost down for adoption Yeah, and it also means that those of us who do have a an nvidia 970 who are maybe worried like I wonder if the next version of oculus vr is going to run on my machine Well, probably will because you know the floor comes up oculus also announced they're developing a prototype of a standalone vr headset So like the gear vr, but with the phone built in Uh, we've seen a few of these out in the marketplace oculus is working on one mark zuckerberg was on stage Called it a standalone virtual reality product category that is high quality And affordable and that you can bring with you out into the world That was the part that got me kiki is like because they shot a picture of it like it doesn't have It doesn't it's not it's not glasses. It's it's not ar. It's not ar. It's you're not looking at the world You're still in darkness, you know, you're still encased in the virtual reality simulation, you know, and you don't know what's going on around you and uh And you know oculus goggles are these big bulky things They still haven't gotten the profile down on them except now maybe, you know, they're working on trying to make them wireless But and make them more sensitive to your head movement, but you're gonna get like I don't know. It's this big piece of machinery that you stick on your head and please don't go into the real world with it Well, and that's why they're calling it a prototype too Right because right the one they showed has like a bunch of machinery and like a circle on the back and this big Like piece of metal that arcs over your head and connects to the the front sensor Maybe it will Have the ability for you to see what's actually around you in in the final version I don't know. Maybe it'll be a little lightweight But it isn't I think it is interesting that they're working on something that sort of bridges the gap between like the htc Vive and the oculus vr And then on the other hand the daydream vr the the gear vr Oculus is also going to cover unreal engine license fees for any developers apps sold through the oculus store for up to the first 5 million dollars in gross revenue So that helps out revenue for or that helps out app developers a lot And oculus is developing something called react vr for developing virtual reality websites And then they're creating a vr browser called called carmel I was all excited about this until they said and carmel will work on any oculus rift So I can't view it if i'm in an htc 5 and suddenly it's not a cross platform Not across nope Oculus will sell earphones designed for virtual reality for 49 dollars shipping later this year They're supposed to be a little nicer than the ones that come with the rift Oculus touch controllers that was the big thing everybody was waiting for will be available for pre-order october 10th For 199 dollars shipping december 6th. They're going to be bundled with an extra sensor and The games vr sports challenge and unspoken so you'll get two games the uh the the extra sensor and the controllers available for 199 dollars And if you want to do room scale with oculus rift which htc vibe does out of the box You can buy a third camera sensor for 79 dollars shipping december 6th And the verge did the math real quick. It would cost 880 dollars To get the controllers and the camera sensors required to mimic what the htc vibe does for 800 dollars It's getting there it's becoming competitive I mean some people are going to want the oculus environment And they're maybe going to be willing to pay that 80 dollars extra Yeah, I think if you've started in the oculus environment and you're like I wish I had room scale then Yeah, you'll then you're going to add to it. You're going to keep adding to whatever system you have as opposed to plunking down another 800 dollars For a new system unless that you know, that's what you do That's like when I had my ti 99 for a in 1982 and it was actually cheaper to buy an ibm pc But because we already had the ti 99 for a I could add things to it like extra memory extra, you know Uh and and it would end up costing more, but you'd already started with one So at that point it would be more expensive to switch Yeah, uh, and then the final feature they announced was the ability to broadcast your vr gameplay to facebook from the oculus rift So people can watch in 2d what you're playing in 3d Wow I mean, I guess you can pan around like a 360 degree video a little bit Yeah, maybe that's one aspect of it and um, I mean Hopefully they've got this vr Social aspect that they're developing and they talked about the vr avatars and how you can hang out and play cards with your friends or You know get on a messenger call or You know do any number of social things within the environment. So maybe Because it's facebook, maybe they'll set it up so people can have their own headsets and watch you play in 3d through their oculus Headsets live. Maybe that'll be some future down the road stuff Absolutely that is going that is going to be a feature Uh of facebook that they will promote at a facebook announcement soon saying hey remember when we said you can do this? Well, guess what I can look at facebook in your rift because you can you can already view facebook in the rift So they just need to connect that dot Reuters sources and we're off the oculus announcements now Reuters sources say that twitter has informed potential buyers that it will conclude sale negotiations by october 27th The day the company reports third quarter earnings, so they want to wrap this up before the earnings call Uh sources told recode that google apple and disney have decided not to bid for the company Leaving sales force as the only company rumored to still be considering a purchase twitter sales force ceo mark benioff did not remark On the sale itself did not make any comment about twitter, but did tell cmbc These things happen all the time the reality is we have to look at everything But we're going to pass on most things so very much a signal like We're probably going to pass too It's that's what it sounds like it sounds like we're not going to put up a bid yeah, and What we've heard is that jack dorsi doesn't really want to sell other board members like ed williams do want to sell And it looks like dorsi was able to get them to put a deadline on it saying fine If you can't but if you can't find anybody by october 27th Then we're not going to sell uh and at this point it looks like they won't Yeah, unless unless somebody comes out of the woodwork in the next couple of weeks But with contracts and all the paperwork that's involved that is not likely. Yeah Uh, which may or may not be good news for twitter I mean, I know that jack dorsi believes that they can make this work on their own But I think most shareholders in twitter and a lot of spectators Uh, we're expecting that this would be the thing to save twitter that that that would make sure you know That it would ensure that it would last Into the future. So yeah, what is surprising is that uh that google completely went out of the you know out of the running They said the absolutely not we're gonna do it Because twitter really would and with periscope and the video Aspects that it could give to youtube twitter could be a good Buy for google, but they're just they're not going there I guess, you know google's very much into focus like they're they're cutting programs and consolidating things and Simplifying and maybe they just didn't see an easy way to to fold twitter into all of that LinkedIn is still in the process of being acquired by microsoft But they're rolling out new features announced a new feature called open candidates The feature lets you signal to recruiters Who are paying $8,000 for the premium service of linkedin that you are open to changing jobs It'll only be visible to recruiters from outside your current place of employment So this is a way to kind of subtly Just tell recruiters because they have to pay this you know company Fee this $8,000 that hey i'm open to a job But not give yourself away to the place you're working from new feature rolls out first in canada australia the united states in the UK with more markets to follow this year i'm my my question here People are going to pay $8,000 to use linkedin If you're a company right because it makes no sense if you're thinking of it as a person like Like like us like like if you and i were recruiting for our shows we would not pay $8,000 for this But if you're a you know multi-million dollar company and you're like we need to get on linkedin and find the best people You know you could write off $8,000 as a business expense. No problem. And especially because you're hiring tons and tons of people Yeah It's probably like it's a bargain for some. Yeah, but and it will be a good service that people will probably really use Yeah, so you're going to make sure that only big companies are going to see it So it may not be great for freelancers, but if you're the kind of person who's like well My job is really only available at large companies then this is going to work And if you're in a company that I mean, it's illegal for them to be punitive about you searching for a job But maybe you just rather they didn't know this could Keep them from knowing although people talk right so I wonder what the first person who's going to use this that gets outed at their company is going to be That's a good question. Just remember people even on the internet loose lips sink ships Yeah, or there's just a bug in the system and it it doesn't show it Like your recruiters are listed as a company subsidiary So it doesn't think it's the same company and you get listed or something, right? Yeah Yeah, uh samsung acquired viv viv is a company that makes ai software powering a virtual assistant We've talked about it on the show before Viv was founded in 2012 by dog kit loss adam chair and chris brigham If those names sound familiar, it's because they also developed siri and sold that to apple Unlike siri viv was going is is going to continue as an independent company under samsung after the acquisition is finished Viv wants to support better interconnectivity between apps The way a lot of the assistants work is you talk to me as an app and that's it and viv wants to bridge the gap And let apps actually talk to each other directly They also are pioneering and a lot of companies are doing this now But they were one of the first to do dynamically written new code Where viv can actually do a little coding of its own Uh when you ask it to do something and it didn't have code to execute that it can write Code to accomplish your task kilas says he is committed to keeping the platform open Though obviously those millions of samsung devices will be the main platform Yeah, that's this is a Really cool development. I mean using I use a samsung galaxy and to have some of the apps and some of the Things within my device work better together would make me a very very happy happy user Yeah, and we you know, it's become clear They said this in the announcement the other day But it's only become nailed down the last couple of days that people realize that google assistant Is only going to be on the pixel phones If you're getting a samsung galaxy, you're just going to get google now Yeah, you don't get out. You don't get an actual virtual assistant You just you just get what you have already So samsung's going to want to put this on their phones and it sounds like viv will be allowed to be an independent Company that can contract with other phone makers as well And I would feel a lot better asking my phone It's like viv is like vivian or you know So short for that as opposed to hello google You know or having my child ask my phone and get Inclicated into the branding of the google behemoth, you know, yeah I I would like these assistants to be nameable. I would like to be able to personalizable, right? Yeah, I don't want to have to call my amazon echo Alexa, I would like to to you know, first of all Eileen hates At the the amazon echo because she doesn't like the tone of voice or personality Like so I wish I could just change it to be like. Oh now it sounds like luke cage. You're gonna now you'll use it all the time Yeah, well driving assistants, you know the the voices for gps units for years They've they've known that and they have added multiple voices. You can choose accents or different male or female tonalities and That's good Yeah, these these personal assistants and the devices need to figure that out as well W scottis one in our chat says I thought you could change the name of the echo only to echo you get it You could get a choice of two names You can call it echo oralex Uh, but yeah, I I think what viv has been doing is is really interesting because they've been trying to really push the envelope and What they gave to apple under siri was more capable than what apple was able to implement in ios Uh for lots of reasons I'm not criticizing apple was just when they were an independent app They were able to do a lot of interesting things now There's also things that siri can do now that they couldn't do as an independent app Uh, but but viv is them kind of picking up that ball and saying, okay, we learned a lot doing that Let's let's run with that. Let's let's push the the boundaries and having samsung come in and give them financial stability And a huge platform, but still let them be an open platform that that is independent. I think it's huge Yeah, financial stability as samsung deals with melting phones And melting finances as a result of that granted Samsung's mobile division, which viv is a part of certainly has its challenges right now But it is a huge enough company that They'll probably whether it As long as more note 7s don't burn up on planes in the next Don't don't cancel more flights. Come on. Yeah, come on The u.s fcc chairman tom wheeler has revised Policy policies being proposed for us internet providers We told you about the previous proposal that imposed opt-in Requirements for isps to collect information about customers that was more stringent than what you know google or facebook Have to deal with and the isps complained They said look just because we are regulated by the fcc instead of the ftc Doesn't mean we should have to play on stricter rules. So The fcc has revised the policies the new fcc proposal is similar to the ftc rules It means isps will only have to get you to opt in for sensitive data things like location or financial info however The fcc still went one more step than the ftc and said we are going to include your browsing history Under sensitive information the fcc does not define that as sensitive information So we can guess the isps are going to complain about that the fcc is going to vote on the new proposal october 27th Do you do feel like This is important to you kiki I think it I think it's very important to me I think it's important to everybody who Uh who uses isps or uses uh services that rely on isps. I mean if you use the internet This is going to affect you in some way at some some point down the road. Um But I think that it's gotten so mired in The policy jargon and the it's it just seems like companies fighting each other as opposed to Something that is really can be really boiled down to The end user Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com. That is a look at our top stories If you were listening to daily tech headlines yesterday daily tech headlines dot com You heard this story the 2016 Nobel prize for chemistry was awarded to three scientists Jean-Pierre savage Sir frazier stoddert and bernard faringa in recognition of their work designing and synthesizing nano scale machine So little tiny molecular machines Savage led a group that first made a molecule rotate around another in a controlled manner Like the barest definition of a machine But he was the first his team was the first one to do that stoddert led a group that first threaded a molecular ring Onto a rod so you could make an axle Which is a really important thing if you want to have Machines that are rolling around like cars and then faringa's team was the first to make a molecular motor That would continue to run in one direction So you could move that rod and those developments have led to nano versions of elevators. They've simulated muscles There's even four-wheel drive nano cars. I know imagine someday little robotic nano cars Zipping down the freeway of your arteries But but and and fighting crimes or fighting blockages fighting blockages and infections You know, yeah And that's one of the the directions this is going and it's just so fascinating to watch No, there's there's a so many things in nanotechnology that are fascinating Some of them just on the face of what we can do some of them for the medical implications or the technological implications, but These as most Nobel prizes Are our research research advances that took place as far back as the 80s the 90s What has nanotechnology done for us lately dr. Kiki? Well, the most recent uh report comes out of uh Lawrence Berkeley laboratory and it is it has to do with Transistors and we all have you heard of moors law? Ah, yes moors law. Let me see if I can mangle it for everyone Because there's like an infinite number of ways of expressing it But one of the ways is that it is a doubling of computing power Every so often so people say two years some people say 18 months It was originally just doubling the number of transistors on a die I think or something close to that but it has come to be used that like that increasing computer power that we've all gotten used to Yeah, increasing computer power, but you're right in the doubling or the increasing of the numbers of transistors on a chip and the way that we do that is miniaturization so things have to get smaller and smaller and smaller and um It's that's just physics that You're not supposed to get down below Five nanometers for the size of the gate in the transistor now a transistor is set up where it has a source and it has a gate and then it has Um, and then it has the drain from which current flows So current comes in through the source the transistor gate Which is the actual transistor part that opens and closes to turn flow on and off and then the current flows out the drain because of the size of Electrons and the flow of electrons through material using silicon Five nanometers is the smallest you can get because below five nanometers You start getting into quantum effects like quantum tunneling where once you take the gate smaller and smaller using silicon Those electrons are like I don't even care about your freaking gate Like all that crazy is nothing to me All that crazy quantum mechanics theory you hear about of like cats being both dead and alive And you know particles being in superposition in two different parts of the world at the same time That actually affects transistors at that scale is what you're saying exactly and so that puts an absolute or has put an absolute dead stop On how small transistors can become However at laurence berkeley-livermore laboratory. They decided they're like maybe we'll just get rid of the silicon and we will use molybdenum disulfide mos2 And molybdenum disulfide is also used as an engine lubricant Um, you can get it at an auto parts shop. So it's really common It's used it's it's got potential for use in all sorts of things leds lasers nanoscale transistors And what they've done here is they've been able to use carbon nanotubes and molybdenum disulfide. I love saying molybdenum molybdenum And they have been able to shrink the size of the gate to one nanometer Now let me put that in perspective for people if you're buying a computer today It's probably got a 20 nanometer Finfet processor that's probably built a processor made on a 20 nanometer process It might if it's newer have been made on a 14 nanometer process the ones in the pipeline Uh, and we've talked about these being delayed by intel are on the 10 nanometer process And five as kiki mentioned is is where the dead stop was expected to happen. These guys are saying, hey Uh, we think we figured out one nanometer process over here. So We figured this out exactly And you know, there are a lot of caveats to this, you know, this is just an laboratory. It's proof of concept They haven't done it billions of times. They haven't they don't know how well they can scale manufacturing and production whether they'll be able to have the kind of Certainty and accuracy in the in the scale and production as it scales up But they've been able to do it and being able to do it Gives a direction to go so Maybe Moore's law is broken for now It's still living uh And as I understand it the molybdenum Molybdenum disulfide is heavier Or denser I guess then silicon and that's why the quantum tunneling effects don't cause a problem Yeah, so that's exactly it. It's you can say denser or heavier, but really what it is is it Creates more resistance For the electron flow So it keeps those electrons in line. No tunneling out of here doing whatever you want you tricky electrons We're just gonna hang on to you slow you down You're not gonna dip around and tunnel all over the place by like a bunch of lawnmoles. Yeah So so the question isn't Can they do this they've done it the question is how easy is it to do At the scale you would need to make this workable in consumer electronics Exactly. Yeah, because what as I said what they've done is they've had to Switch from silicon, which is a proven material for chips to work to this molybdenum sulfide And you know, we don't know how easily tractable that will be to chip production on a large scale And and and you're yeah, you're you're dealing with a With a different lithography A different way of etching the transistors. Yeah, all sorts of things will have to be different for it So they're yeah, so the question is how easily will it work in the future? We don't know but The fact that they've done this is I mean it's actually there it's there It's like this is this is huge. It has huge implications for worse case Yeah, worst-case scenario is morse law gets stretched And this doesn't happen for longer than morse law usually allows the process to go and It's expensive and it can only be done in in really, you know limited cases But even then that means you could still have some pretty powerful computers. They're just only be Affordable by governments or something right government and large multinational corporations, right? What could go wrong? So, you know the the ai that takes over the world, you know, it might happen Sooner on one nanometer On this one nanometer processor. That's the worst case in here facebook. Yeah, we're not saying that's what's going to happen Just you could just put on your portable facebook vr headset and ignore the whole thing. It'll be fine. Leave me alone I'm just gonna be in my simulated world for a while Well, this is cool. I'm glad you found this because it's it's hope for morse law It's hope for, you know smaller more powerful processors Um and and processing power isn't the be all end all of what we can do with computers anymore But it's certainly we certainly have it exhausted The amount of power we can get Out of a processor yet and we want to be able to make things more energy efficient and smaller and things like that. So This is a really cool story. You can find more stuff like this on this week in science kids. Go check it out Let's get to our messages of the day Regarding pixel support We had a question yesterday on the show of from an emailer who wanted to know how long is google going to support the pixel because You know like the nexus 7 only lasted for a few years And and whereas the iphone they they do tend to provide support and provide patches and updates longer Into the life. I think you know four or five years. Anyway Well rich joffolino who is a writer and sometimes host of daily tech headlines and listener andy wilson Both pointed out that google on their store page states at least two years at least Two years of os updates and three years of security patches. So Your minimum is not going to be what our emailer yesterday wanted, but they may go longer We will see Then add tom mox in our slack today Pointed out a waste of time that is really fun If he wrote has anyone gone to citymapper.com and opened their console and what he means is in chrome you can go to view developer Javascript console and you get a javascript console that you can use for lots of things But if you do it while you're looking at citymapper.com you get a text-based adventure game Oh, how fun So let me see if I go to citymapper.com And I hope I go to file view Javascript console Wow, it's taking along the load. Everybody's going to it. Everyone's look what you did tom. Yeah. Yeah It says you are in a town square paths lead to the north south east and west And I'll I'll try to Try to show this on the video for the folks watching the video as well But you just get the console over there and then you can type in like, okay I want to go east you walk carefully along the path you can move east and west and then you write east again There is a house So people have said that you had to be careful the house fell on someone Oh, no, but it's yeah, it's a real text-based adventure game. So Uh, it's it's a little fun. Good good work citymapper.com. Does this explain the clowns? I don't think it does. We were just talking about the clowns this morning Eileen is very much worried about the clowns. She's like, I don't like this I don't like this trend and I'm like, they're just clowns not all clowns are bad I just I just got an email from the portland public school system That there had been threats to the portland public schools for of attacks by clowns. My child is in a kindergarten And he could be attacked by clowns. I am terrified. I used to call The social media fail clown. I used to call the second star wars movie attack of the clowns and now it's not funny anymore It's not funny anymore. No Well, as I mentioned folks, uh, dr. Kiki sanford is the host of the amazing this weekend science Where can people go if they would like to subscribe which they totally should You should go to twist.org and in uh on our website. There is a link for subscribing and finding various ways to subscribe Uh, you can also find us on youtube We are this weekend science on youtube So you you can go to twist.org slash youtube if you want to find us on youtube and you can subscribe there Yeah, you get all the great science news of the week. You get poetic disclaimers You get animal corners. It's true All the good stuff. Yeah last night we talked about We talked with uh, two volcanologists Oh About the reality of alien life the volkens. I said, oh, do you Volcanoes, there we go. Yeah, we have a lot of volcanoes going off lately. I know it's just like statistical randomness, but Still what unless they said it was the moleman. Did they say it was the moleman? I guess I'll have to tune in and find you have to tune in You know tune in to find out if the molemen are behind the volcanic eruptions Volcanoes Check it out twist.org twis.org Big thanks to everybody who supports this show. 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Someone out there is illustrating this for us right now I know it as we speak More than a woman Uh, so roger usually reads us our titles at showbot.tv But you can play along with us at home By going to showbot.tv roger cannot be heard though because gremlins have stolen his voice He'll be back in a moment though I like zipping down the freeway of your arteries That was a good one, right? Oh, there you are. I should just reboot right at the end. Like I guess well, it wasn't doing it for a while That's a regular. Yeah That's a regular thing It's uh, it's because I used to not silence my mic and but I would close it up on the headset Goldisator says I don't always tune in for dts live, but when I do dr. Kiki comes on the show Correlation does not imply causation. There we go. Maybe they should watch next time. See if she shows up We could try to repeat the results Zipping down the freeways of your arteries What has nano technology done for us lately? It was an awful lot of oculus Uh, dr. Kiki she blinded me with science Sirius series daughter v v effects to samsung Shane told a little story in that headlines and praises you could tell that guy's a documentary filmmaker. That was good. That's right Hi, Shane I saw you in the chat room See call me for that twitter in the window Call me echo or alexa, but don't call me early in the morning Don't call me late for dinner Uh in case the virtual reality science will never die That's uh Viva's v vla ai Viva That's working hard it's working hard. Yes Uh two chicken to buy twitter chicken Don't send in the clouds that's awful a lot of oculus Honey I shrunk the science beyond the rift Discover the nano science the tiniest transistor technology today The incredible shrinking tech I don't know. I don't know which one I like the most Do either of you have a favorite? No, I do not No, the ones at the top I think are pretty good though um What has nano technology done for us lately will fit the show description the most because it's the show description is about nano technology, but Uh zipping down the freeways of our arteries Is still on topic And pretty poetic And then of course there's you know The whole story of series daughter viv defects to samsung like I like that one too so Oh and shane likes his surely you're joking dr. Kiki Surely you must be joking Surely you must be joking Uh, well, what is that nano technology done for us lately is getting votes? Oh wait is arteries arteries just zipped ahead So it brings out to export the audio which is the point at which I need to decide on a title Something has to happen soon. Something is going to be decided in one second here um Do you do you have a preference whether I put like dr. Kiki or dr. Kier you like dr. Kiki, right? That's what Dr. Kiki like in meta tags and stuff. Okay. Mm-hmm. That's good for me All right, uh, wow, they're all tied uh zipping. Okay zipping just one Zipping down the freeways. That's our that's our title zippity do does it bitty a? My oh my what a wonderful art array That's where I was going kind of forcing it The two chicken to bite twitter comment though That's just reminding me we used to have the the penny saver when I was growing up. Oh, yeah Print advertisements and stuff and I just I used to read it on sundays when it came in with the newspaper And I remember this one ad Just was week after week And it was chicken two dollar you catch And that was wait say that again chicken two dollar you catch you catch I was like chicken two dollars wait, what you catch You what forever stuck with me. I love it so much That's so funny. Yeah, we have you catch There were there were communities around us had the actual penny saver like that was a franchise deal And that was what was up in champagne when I went to college, but we had the bond county shopper That was that we had our own independent version And the folks at the greenville advocate, which was the the newspaper Did not like when the shopper came on the scene No They were stealing those ad dollars Those ads should be ours. Yeah, they don't even put any content in there. It's just ads Yeah, there's there's uh, we have a little west side la newspaper called the argonaut covers like Santa Monica culver city and all that all those places um I wonder how long that that'll last, you know Yeah, I don't know I don't know. I think that that as long as there are people who You know Still do text and still pick things up when they're walking by a grocery store or a cafe or a mini mart or something My next door neighbor is in her 80s and she All right, she gives me the have you read the argonaut. Oh, no. I have her take mine She's a huge fan Oh mel says the penny saver went out of business in may 2015 Hmm Saved too many pennies penny penny wise pound foolish or did they become the quarter saver? The quarter saver Saving pennies When we're gonna get rid of pennies ever is that movement still? No any traction. No no Let the penny alone I like that in australia. I I And you've been to australia. Have you been to australia kiki? I never have I've spoken to many people So you're the control, you know Roger and I have both been to australia. I thought I would hate not having pennies because they don't have them in australia But it turned out like it didn't really matter. No, I have no I have no love Love nor loathing for the penny. I just think I think they're just valuable things to have around besides the monetary aspect Oh, I guess canada got rid of the pennies, but I guess I only ever use my credit card Go to canada because I never noticed. Oh, yeah. They also got rid of they also got rid of uh dollar bills And two dollar bills, right? I also got rid of the rudeness That's right and no they didn't there's no rudeness They just they're just rude in a slightly clever fashion. Yeah, they'll have workarounds. Yeah No, but it's pennies have so many uses I think you can't Without a penny. What other low denomination piece of change would you squash in the The rails of a streetcar or a train or something? Or if you have if you have two quarters In one of those cool crank machines at the arcade or the museum that puts a cool picture of a space shuttle on it Yeah, it stretches out the penny and then the engraves or bosses a new one I bet we could find I bet we could find a workaround for that without pennies What do you think do you think the the the crank the crank penny squash or lobby is what's keeping the penny alive It's probably it yeah that and uh parents trying to teach their children how to save money Piggy bank, well Piled and then we'll tell you know that what's it called the change the coin master at the grocery store Yeah, those things are awesome lobby. I love that so much I took I took a big jar of pennies dimes nickels and quarters And I and I traded in for $84 for the credit on amazon. Wow So you don't get cash from them. You only get gift cards. No you can get cash You can get cash, but they deduct Right, so so amazon gift card is if you use amazon anyway. Yeah, it gave me just a straight amount Okay, which is fine because I buy all sorts of stuff off amazon like amazon gift cards Like all those things you could otherwise pay for at the grocery store where the coin master is Yeah Well, I can't get actually I can't get a you know what you can't get have you guys seen tilex lately The cleaner. Yeah Yeah, great. I generally They don't have it at Ralph's or at bedbath and beyond near me Like maybe it was there a law passed against tilex Maybe you need to go to home depot Maybe You know Tom depot might not have it because I recently went there for cleaners I didn't have a good selection Well, california recently passed a law that banned my anti dandruff Shampoo from being sold in the state. I didn't notice Thank you I use the body shop ginger shampoo I am not afraid to admit it. I use it and uh, it's great because it's supposedly all natural But there is one carcinogenic ingredient and it would so it's banned It's great because it's all natural except for that cancer-causing ingredient Well, cancer-causing can be an all-natural It totally can that's what I natural doesn't mean. It's not gonna Spinite is found in apple seeds, right and people I mean, you have to get a lot of it, but uh, so I had what we should ban apples People have tried I know I know they have it's not an alar scandal in the late 80s Oh, yes. Oh no, all those Washington apples are sprayed with the pesticide alarna. It's just Toxic give you cancer. Oh wait, the cancer rates are pretty much almost the same all natural snake venom 100% organic venom Uh, so that's kind, you know, it's it's uh, it's our it's craft handcrafted by artisans Yes Small batch artisan handcrafted organic snake venom is in my A little mustache Glued straight on You laugh, but you know, there's a place in California that sells that somewhere Snake man. I'm just a couple of drops in your daily drink Put a little chest hair on you Give you a little gives it a little survive the morning See now, how come you can't see like you get anti-venom or they used to come with anti-venom through horses, right? Like they would inject a little bit of the venom Oh, is that is that right? Well, I know they did. I know they did, um Vaccines that way So I was wondering does they do anti-venom that way? I mean, is it ever possible to do that with a person and just have like sal or something from like yonkers? And he's just the one dude that just Creates the anti-venom in his bloodstream It's a total awesome way to make a living right if we're going to an automated society Why not farm out your body as a machinery for pharmaceuticals? This sounds like a very interesting Direction to go. I want yeah, it's a career option. You could literally sleep through your job You're just your it's in my blood Literally, it's in my blood But you know, maybe we can start getting things like what is that? Pharmaceutical testing it's in your blood. What is it? What is the compound that we get from? From horseshoes horseshoe crabs Oh, oh, it's for uh for leukemia or whatever. It's not leukemia heiferin for is it heiferin for blood thinning? No But anyway, we we basically suck the blood out of the horseshoe crabs to isolate this compound that's used in medicine Why do we have to be affecting all these populations of horseshoe crabs when we could just take it from people? I know it'd be awesome people made it so we need to start allowing genetic modification People can decide to crisper themselves and then you know, you'll just be like, okay, I'm gonna produce whatever it is Here you go Every Wednesday at 3 p.m. I'm gonna go in and donate my blood They're over harvesting the crabs. I mean, they're really not even crab site lysate Bines and clots around fungi viruses and bacterial endotoxics supposedly the oldest I still can't find what we use species or They're a very old. They're a very long. Yeah, they're an old They haven't changed all that much. Yeah, they've been around for a long time. Well, it's so they've been around longer than horses Yeah So back in the day, they were they get their shape. They were just called shoe crabs Because people are like, uh funny shape crabs on foot shoe on foot Someday there will be an animal that fits this on their foot crab Oh my goodness Yeah, I mean really there aren't that many mono toad Husted animals really outside of horses. Yeah Well, I just can't wait for the day and this is I've taken this from this past this week in science For the day that there can be a book called my two moms and dad Because I've got mitochondria for one and DNA from the other two. That's right That's fascinating. Talk when you Brad mentioned crisper made me think of that Yeah, and this this is something that we talked about it last week And it's definitely something the mitochondrial Transfer therapy for people who want to have kids but have mitochondrial disease I mean, this is people say it's genetic modification because it's potentially modifying the germline Because it's heritable. It's heritable in females, right? um Yeah, but It's something that could allow people to have kids who want to have kids and none of us have our dad's mitochondria That's true We all get our mitochondria from our mums Is that fair? Why don't we just build synthetic wombs? Look look it's not about fair Fairness is a fairness is a very subjective concept Which is why I get all the cake Is it fair that i'm eating this for you and possibly shortening my life in the process I like new jello m r. N. A. Am I right? m r. N. A. That's right Nice. All right. Well, we are published. Thanks everyone for watching. Thank you again, dr. Kiki. This was a blast Oh, it's so much fun. Thank you, tom And we will be back tomorrow with shannon and learn by everybody cool We are off live. That was great Super fun. Yeah Thanks for getting in touch tom and Send in emails and going hey, hey you. I know you I was actually listening to twist and I was like Why don't we I can't remember what story it was. It was a couple weeks ago, but um Yeah, so You know, I know I know you're busy too, but uh, whenever you want to come back. Let's do it. Okay. Yes Awesome. I want to get you on with aniline do it Oh, that would be a lot of fun. Yeah Oh, we're still we're still broadcasting on the video. Oh, no the secrets are out. Oh, no, we