 Good morning and thank you for keeping us company. This is why in the morning and Y-254 is the station. React to our social media platforms by sending us your questions or reactions to Y-254 channel on social media. My name is Dereva Hillary and this morning we are talking about the COVID-19 or succession politics that is what is happening. We are trying to fight COVID-19 but of course we have politics going on. This morning the president is meeting the senators from the Jubilee Party. We had some field in parliament on Wednesday and we want to put things into perspective what's really happening and what will happen by the end of this year and so much so after fighting the COVID-19 what next? Remember there was an ongoing campaign about the constitutional amendment. Will it happen? What is looming to the president? I'm speaking to Don Anaklet, he's a political analyst. He will help us to put things into perspective and understand so much of the things that are being said out. Keep it Y-254 and welcome to the program. Good morning sir. Good morning. Thank you so much for sharing my ideas on this platform. It has been a while since I heard you here on a different show that is and a lot has happened and we are just one day share of the 60 days since we first announced or reported the first case in regards to COVID-19 maybe I will get to know how are you coping with the situation? On an individual basis I'd say I'm doing slightly good health-wise that is and for the general public I think most of us are caught up on a very bad economic end so on an average I'd say we are not doing bad. Great. Now for the 59 days so far Kenya has tested 32,000 people and out of these 622 stages to have COVID-19 we have so many maids out here we have facts from the Minister of Health and the World Health Organization but of course human is human they will always have something to say things to do with how to treat it how to go around COVID-19 when you don't have so many homa too but the government has put strange admissions and stuck warnings especially when it comes to kafiu I remember when it was said we will have a kafiu people reacted differently majority of the people reacted differently and they wondered what is really happening and so far now that we have tested over 32,000 tests in 2 months are we in a good pace can we say we are managing what's happening especially now that the COVID-19 is spreading in our communities if you calculate the percentage versus the general population you realize that it's very slim in fact we are barely at 10% of the total tests so you know that it's not a sample good enough to tell us what's going on in the general economy but I'd appreciate the efforts of our health workers especially those on the front row of fighting COVID secondly I really think that the myth or the speculation surrounding COVID-19 is due to the fact that we really have very little information out there in fact other than simply COVID-19 sample any 20 people you meet maybe only one person might know beyond just terminologies about kafiu sanitizer kafiu sanitizer generally I really think we have very little information if any so that leaves people generally it's just what a human being is all about if there is anything going out there that you have very little information about you do want to speculate and how would you say we have handled coronavirus since we first reported from the missions that have been put in place quarantine and isolation and all those terminologies that have been used and Kenyans are making fun of it have we handled it well? Yeah I must appreciate the efforts of Kenyans we have done a better job so far and I really still want to encourage fellow Kenyans that we keep following the health guidelines because if we have to defeat coronavirus it is that we have to follow the guidelines to the latter secondly I think that a few of us which is a very normal thing being that we are Kenyans are still deviant and that is normal I really don't take any we are Kenyans we always love doing things the opposite way even in the midst of COVID-19 and it's a deadly disease Trust me even today there are people with guns just shooting people randomly Kenyans who are safe somewhere want to come and know what's going on here it's a very normal affair to me We have some curiosity and things we want to experience now let's talk about how things have been in the midst of COVID-19 and in this regard let's talk about politics especially what happened on Wednesday in parliament and just like I was asking you when we began this broadcast is there a politician really who speaks on the behalf because if so and so speaks they will say nina nia meongia so when Honorable Junete and Honorable Ambar did they made their sentiments in parliament it was said Baba sent them and it brought a very few between the two fractions in parliament is there an independent politician? Yes there is an independent no I think there is an independent leader I wouldn't say an independent politician that independent leader is me I am very independent I am here purely on my though I am representing my party as well but I am here purely on my whatever I give here purely down to me and on what happened on Wednesday there has been a general perception that certain politicians doesn't speak on their own I don't know what happened to their brains but I purely believe that what happened the other day was not individual mindset it was a party affair and probably the party leader had a lot to do with it and I also tend to think that it was not handled in the right manner yeah I think that the weeping Honorable Ole Kina was not a very wise affair being that I believe and we are looking at the youth though I also tend to believe that loyalty is a good thing you have to be loyal just not just your party leader but your party and your people so these loyal people want to go to heaven I keep saying that before we even talk about Honorable Ole Kina there were some fundamental issues that were raised by these members of parliament and of which I feel truly they had a point because people are dying from floods and the floods have killed so many people as compared to COVID-19 right now and if we are quitting these people or moving them to places where they will be safer is of importance but the question I always ask is we have chunks of lands lying bare nothing is happening to them where can we have these people being moved permanently and then these areas where they are frequented by landslides and floods we have things to do like planting trees we have a cent of forest coverage in our country why can't we get to that point and giving them this land moving them would bring trouble because land is a big issue in this country that sentiment is very great and I honestly appreciate but now the challenge we have people with brains are outside the offices people in the offices lack the empty you see the fact that we need a ten percent forest coverage in Kenya is something we've talked about over the years again and again but it can't be affected because like I always believe many of the people we have in offices today either don't know why they are there or ended up there by chance we voted them in and they had ideas by the way we believed them I think most Kenyans vote the party we really don't vote people ya you just vote your party so after the elections when you wake up oh our party gave us so and so this hour we will replace him after 5 years we will replace her after 5 years but take West Pokot for example where we have landslides each and every year a herald, the floods these are things that have been here with us since tiny memorial so it's not like it's something new we are waking up to but then we lack strategies and even if we do have a few implementation because of the challenge so I think that until such a time that we are going to get serious leadership in place because that is where our problem all the message starts from there there was also a concern on how the funds have been spent so far in fighting COVID-19 and ok questions were raised and they were handled and I'm still looking forward to more detail of how things have happened but anyway let's still stick to politics now it is believed what these members of parliament said president talks to his friend and the problem is about the handshake many of the people fail even after the handshake it didn't trickle down to those other members of parliament we may have a development in kisumu like the pot and other areas that have felt like something has been done in terms of roads but they still feel the handshake has not brought so much and that's why some of the cries are coming into parliament and raising jitas on what is really happening why are these people making such comments and yet there's a form of leadership or agreement or a share in leadership now let me start by addressing the issue on the finances it's unfortunate that when we started this we started with the phrase that we are just shy of 60 days 2 months but if you look at the figure that you told already spent on a sample of about 32,000 people calculate 32 or 53 million that is about less than 5% on the first month people are paying their own cost exactly and for the better part of the 60 days they already outstretched angry kenyan has been taking the burden on themselves so it beats common logic when the figures are tabled that those monies have been spent they are left wondering on who that is why Mananji of this 32,000 that have been tested trust me over 25,000 of them have spent their coins up to where we are so if anybody is purporting to have spent 40 billion shillings in less than 60 days on a certain group of people those groups are imaginary but we are in our nation so we understand and I don't want to be misquoted but I want us to understand one thing that when it comes to finances in this country you can trace them to where they went especially now that we didn't have the auditor general we don't have the auditor general we don't have anybody to keep the government accountable looking at there's no longer the opposition there's one being created is not yet created would you say that's the biggest problem we have since we do not have the opposition no I even don't think if having an opposition would have we have had the opposition over the years if they were not stunt enough I don't think there is going to be a stunt a stunt opposition better than what we were in the past I just think we have to create a culture of Kenya is on in us take the US for example if you interact even by the US marshals you realize that those guys do everything for their country everything it's not for the president it's not for their leaders it's for their flag until such a point we are going to inculcate that in Kenyans we are doing nothing recently we were having taught in a motsupat player Son Humi taking part in his national military training service just about the other day it was so much of a good thing to see it's an honor he is doing it exactly this guy is doing this for the flag of his country not doing it for his president for the soldier who so we have to inculcate Kenya in us that is when this plan will end and who is going to do that me and you then why can't we do that what stops us if you are not doing it then you are wrong because I will monitor I will speak out the action is the problem we have had projects coming up good projects but the implementation never comes we have had good politicians or leaders who have brilliant minds but once they get into that house everything is watered I think if I was to to advise someone who wants to buy I think he should buy on an independent ticket when you buy on an independent ticket and convince the people to buy up into the house you are not tied you are not bound by what your party leader your party wants in most cases today take a general sample 5 political parties take their party leaders they are people who have been in this country since 1940 they know every calling so you claiming that now this party is better letting it in then you are still going to carry the ideas of 1940 there is nothing new you are bringing in because you are working in somebody's house you have to live by there their rules in there so to mean every problem we have in this country in terms of leadership and governance is based on the other roots in the parties that is what I believe and statistics are shown that both research and statistics show the same brilliant leaders and it becomes something else what general Meguna says don't be so coming in as an independent politician or a leader you buy as an independent don't you think having such a forum we will have so many people trying to buy for the same seat because no one is stopping you anyway IBC is going to print a ballot which has 32 candidates when I ran in fact around 40 people buying for the same seat so for members of parliament 40, president 50 governors 100 you giving the electorate a problem no you have to set standards guidelines so that at least you cut people out today with the evolution we thought originally the devol unit the strongest but unfortunately people who ended up being elected in the devol units are worse than the zombies up in parliament because most of them got aligned to a certain governor and that is how the story ended they are the closest to monenchi but monenchi has never met his or her MCA for like 2-3 years but they live in the same village understand so that is where the problem comes but generally I have also looked at the people who are elected on independent Ilar I just think our problem is not even on the party some of the people that we elected on independent especially MPs a specific MP used to be what every Kenyan wanted he used to investigate ABCD so monenchi was like finally we got the guy when he entered the office things changed so is it a way to manipulate the electorate or what happens have you had a chat with them maybe they tell you where when I got there I found a system these guys are fighting I understand them they are fighting a system established that has power and resources versus them who only have the brains when they go in there they realize that they are the last people with resources so they are like okay let me first relax, look for resources and then I will come back for it later that time you relax and look for resources time relaxes and you realize there is another election and people will throw you out exactly people will throw you out or you will confuse them again and remain you know politicians you confuse us anyway it's okay what would you make of the the issues that are bedeviling Sen. Olekina ohhhh who aren't Olekina a very brilliant and a very good leader but again you are not going to tackle a problem before you know where it began I tend to think the main mistake with Olekina is take on ODM first today even if ODM was to disband and come up with something new it's still ODM just clothed in a different cloth the current ODM is just LDP or whatever came before LDP but they are clothed in a different thing right now the challenges that Olekina is facing as an individual are good enough I think they are strengthening him for something better if I was who is I wouldn't run into somebody's arm stand as an individual and fight the battle to the end go back to the people and tell them this we have reached the whole place join me there have been critics that his ideology right now align with those of Tangatanga team that is where the problem comes but I don't think that is a mistake I am not pro Tangatanga but I want you to understand one thing that yesterday I don't know how how to verify but that can be but they are later purporting to have both Jubilee and Khan having merged from the registrar so honestly I don't need to get misquoted because I have not verified if that letter is genuine or it's just one of the social media propaganda but should it be genuine and with the view out here that ODM, Khan and Jubilee are soon coming up into one thing pick my word on this today and you will take it to the bank someday should such an outfit come up versus one side of Tangatanga or somebody coming up with a new outfit the three will not see the light of the day post 2022 even if they use every resource that this nation has because Kenyans myself included will stand against them and the reason would be the reason would be they have proved that they are not good enough and they are not it's not going to be something good that a nation 60 years old is led by three people over and over and they are not doing anything better we wouldn't have a problem if our lives were better even if somebody decides to lead all their lives in England we are seeing the queen has led she is just going to die in power it's understandable because those guys are getting it slightly easy there are structures going on and auto development, politics 10% 90% is work 90% is 90% and 5% is work and the other 5% you don't know if it is work or politics why would you say that's our state in Kenya today 90% is politics 5% is work 5% you don't know if it is work or politics just because before we came to COVID-19 the work campaigns that were going on regarding the amendment of the constitution and different regions came up with what they feel they want and some of the problems or the issues that were highlighted by Senator Olekina I don't know whether he was misquoted but he tried to defend his sentiment by saying I'm not tribal the only thing I was saying was selling land for agriculture then you turn it to commercial there is a problem because you know we are bringing the population that was his point but people took him on the wrong way standing at this point because I believe he is not the only person maybe people will come to turn around by the time we are fighting COVID-19 do you think you are going back to the politics that were on about mending the constitution post COVID-19 well there have been strong sentiments and of course pre COVID we are having a lot of campaigns stretched on BBI but like you put it and like both research and statistics out here show since the handshake very little if it has trickled down to the maybe peace but again you will agree with me that most Kenyans most Kenyans who are not allied to Tanga Tanga or any other team does not see the necessity for a constitutional change but let's not cover this it's the truth on the ground there the larger majority of Kenyans about 55% of Kenyans does not see the necessity for constitutional change because it's not adding value and it's not making life any easy for them so I tend to think that post COVID we are likely to have resumption of the same campaigns going on but I tend to think they are not necessary some of these issues are putting the president in a kwaqmaya reason being he has a legacy to live he has to bring the economy back to its level or even improve it post COVID-19 and he has something to do with changing the constitution he has people ready in place he has a friend in right honourable reloadinga he has his legacy for the big four agenda and he has a promise to Kenyans or he has a duty to Kenyans to ensure the economy come 2022 or even 2021 after COVID-19 we are in a good state what is he gonna do first? nothing he will just live he's not gonna do anything like he has not been doing anything so I really think he is just gonna continue that we had the big four agenda when was the big four agenda tabled 2 years ago tell me anything when the big four agenda that has reached 5% in implementation nothing universal healthcare affordable housing just 5% I'm not talking about 10, 20 or 50 we have 18 months to the end of President Kenyans term it would require Jesus Christ or Prophet Muhammad to have 50% or big four agenda completed in the next 18 months it's not possible and what would you say are the contributing factors to the failure as you put it I think the president has often got it wrong in most of his appointments when you have serious things to effect you must get serious mind that can effect them he attempted that with education at some time with Honrebu Matiangi and it worked perfectly I don't know why he never built his foundation on the same I think that's the only appointment in this country that has lived to the billing yeah so when you don't get when today you want to build a house and you get your tools you put every resource down then you get the wrong architect or the wrong company that wants to build your it will not happen the resources will go into waste and in the end you remain homeless that is exactly where President Kenyans got very great ideas the big four agenda was one of the best blueprints on this country infact if it had been achieved say even 60% we would be very close to agenda 2030 but unfortunately we put up everything and put everything on the table but got the wrong people to push it to the next level that is why there is no history that they don't know anything about so you can't you won't even know there is a problem because you don't understand the problem yourself so I think I have had that statement separately and then the question would be does it then mean Kenya we do not have competent people no in government we don't in Kenya we do so where are they how can they you can't have made yourself because let me get you back to the basics today you get a job advertised by the PSE then you want to apply for that job you will apply for the job you are very qualified but you will not get the job mostly because you don't have a godfather or you don't have anybody pushing for you that such kind of structures because I understand that the president will always want to pick on people he knows you realize that the people he knows are people who are pushed through levels until up there so they have never been competent I really tend to think if I was to be the president right now and I was to come up with the cabinets I'd come up with a cabinet of say 2 years I'd give you a job fresh people who have never been seen anywhere I want to come up with maybe I'll go to the institutions and pick individuals that have proven have track records these guys worked here still on the Matiangi blueprint he had approved his month so you want to pick on him because Matiangi couldn't have done that alone there are people he worked with I don't want to go down jama alifana kajinakina pick on those guys they have a timeline and monitor and evaluate that is the only way look at economies that have reached their epitomes they are based on competence hardworking people not people who would want to be employed today and they want cars they want government vehicles sometimes they employ people who can run that the bottom line would be the corruption now the question is the people who working with Matiangi there are people who worked with him but now the question also is what are these people they use where is they use today I don't want to answer that this way allow me to quote he always says that he was going to be police because on the light they can't be a policeman because they don't want to take time while there is the college they just want to ask there is a problem the vehicle is coming to find me running I think those are the kind of people who want to work with going forward in this country you want people who can do we have a problem in Nyandu ok let's go on road if there is a chopper that is taking us to Nyandu that chopper will come and pick us up on the road as we go because there is an agency of doing things if you want to effect change you must do it with people who sees the agency in necessity what's going on that is the only way you are going to have things happening so we have to bring up the youth but again with youth remember we have youths in Palaiment today Palaimentarians who are youthful or say young but they are not doing any march so we are not going to simply say we are going to pick up certain youths who can have things happening actually after this break we will come back there pick it from the young Palaimentarians that are there and what is happening to them they find an established system that they cannot do any good to us they have done something but of course we will always feel things are not ok we take a very short break and we will be back soon good morning thank you so much for keeping us company this is why in the morning we are talking about politics in the midst of COVID-19 and so much is happening from right in the parliament two politics outside here and now we want to go back into parliament our young parliamentarians and my guest Donna Nakhlet is a politician our political analyst as well he is telling me people go there and find an established system what changes them do they get baptized again well I just say they get baptized again they enter the house and realize that there is an establishment that has been there over the years versus a people and then you know the challenge again let me start from where it begins you ever been to a group yeah the group always tends to take over you unless you have mentored it strong which is also a problem most of the youth space they are supposed to be seen no third they get into the house they realize that people of his age or the people he can associate with are less than 20 in a house of over 300 people so he has now to start associating and relating with the old and they all have a set of rules sets of social norms that they have followed over the years look at the Kenyan parliament today you realize that more than half of the parliamentarians are people who have been there since 1970s they have had a norm and a social way of doing things so you come in with the fresh brain energy the agility then you realize that it's you versus them so you are like ok let me just join what's going on so I think that is one problem that is facing our young parliamentarians secondly which is major is resources they lack resources resources to do what resources let me call them resources social resources normally people want to associate not just in Kenya anywhere across the world people want to associate with people like them if you are a professor you will not go and collect a group or maybe drunkards and they also drunkards and then just associate with them so when our parliamentarians get into parliament they realize that they are the poorest among that group of others veterans the veterans will automatically want to control them the unanini so that will be subdued intimidation getting subdued let me work for my people half while I am busy looking for resources secondly we are also thinking of the next election and the next election doesn't require maybe work it requires resources so the first the first term of your leadership is to stock that is what they are doing but it's not what should be done do you feel them that are there they have done something the last 3 years depends on what something but they have done very little if any in terms of the bill that will favor the young counterparts out here and still the intimidation intimidation factor takes effect no but it's just failure on the one part but when they were being voted they had ideas ideas disappeared I believe the the house is open to everyone to come up with a motion yes so that pure is failure on the part ok they have nothing to offer they have nothing to offer ok let's talk about what is happening or what will be happening later in the day or maybe it's going on right now the president is said to meet senators of the jubilee party and some of the critics feel he will be rewarding and punishing and someone ok they have been speaking so much about senator more commonly feel he is one of the people who will be bewipped what do you make of the happenings I am one who tend to believe that politics or leadership or speculation isn't a good thing right now I really don't have much information about what's going on just basing my arguments on a few information on social media and mainstream media of course but I tend to think that politics generally is based on three things and mark my word politics I didn't say leadership based on three things rewards punishment and betrayal whatever is happening at state of this money if and only if it politics then it's revolving around the three things if it's leadership then it may be a different thing but I tend to think that a lot of political alignment are taking place in the country and more expected to come and politicians that are viewed to not want to align themselves with the establishment will find themselves putt their names will be expanded from the political space and you've seen Honrebo Nekina become the first to face the axe expect Senator Honrebo Mokomen and a few others who are viewed to not make the side of the establishment to face the axe it might not be today but it looks increasingly like something interesting happened last week and a couple of weeks ago we had some problems in the Jubilee party and it is believed it's ten of the numbers in the same house people would fail the DP has good number but then the other side the president had numbers when it came to reality a good example is when former governor Owaitito was impeached he believed he has favor with the Jubilee house but it so happened the handshake contributed to his downfall and now it's believed still the same numbers came to what happened in the new leadership being fronted in the Jubilee party do you think at this point truly truly the DP has numbers politically speaking well I think I think that the term numbers is very relative as has been proved by the Kenyan politician the DP might have numbers but there is something called Jubilee and what is called Jubilee today is Ken ODM and a half of the original Jubilee that means the DP doesn't have numbers it retains the other half which again one or two or three others have been so much intimidated and probably either crossed over just don't want to get involved I think if anything what happened today that requires numbers and it pits Honrebu Uru Kenyata versus Honrebu Uru Uru will always carry the day because he'll simply walk to his brother and he'll say please bring more numbers Honrebu Giliu Mui please bring numbers and that's where he'll win that's why I really feel so sorry for Senator Murkome if at all the rumors on social media are anything to go by he's facing the axe would you say Jubilee has made inroads in ODM had the head made inroads as long as the handshake was complete ODM became part of Jubilee and in the same spirit do you think the DP has made inroads in the same in ODM no he's Jubilee he's a half of Jubilee okay so there's no way things might change I saw a certain comment on social media and just like you're putting it if it's anything to go by someone just tweeted President Uru Kenyata he's good in keeping his word he promised he's promised to Kano he came to be it's being alluded in social media and now if he said kumiyangu kumiyangu then even that one will be fufed what do you make of that like I said there are two aspects of this country today in terms of leadership and politics and when it comes to politics it's politics of reward politics of punishment and politics of the trail three aspects of politics we have seen so I tend to think that replying on to that tweet and still allude to the same the president might reward Ruto for the loyalty he might punish him in one way or the other or simply betray him we've seen that in the past so we can't to speak about or on the future but I think that as we wind up in our own lenses the three aspects you've mentioned what is the likelihood of either happening the likelihood I'd go with the betrayal I think one person between Hondubu Rilo Dinga and Hondubu William Ruto is facing that it looks interesting the likelihood that it is not Hondubu Rilo Dinga and when we speak about betrayal you will remember back in 2007 are these some of the things that maybe the president would consider having the D.P. on his side and remembering what happened that time and this time what will happen the president would consider no it's not because president Kenyatta's first term was mad by a lot of issues because he didn't have Rilo on board and I think that also showed him one thing that having Ruto on board for example didn't had much value I think it's view is if I had this guy on my side for the first time and still we were facing huge backlash probably it's not what he thinks so somebody I think advised him that bring Rilo Dinga on board and with that he realized that is that peace and a surge then would we say he was selfish to make a decision to have Rilo on board that he may have peace for him to work exactly he was but in return has brought differences and rift in his own house and he has realized that the rift in his own house can easily you know you can always contain your own house as long as the image out there is that there is peace in your house whatever is happening you can always deweep people within if you are a father what do you do you can always clean your kid up and down but when you go out there people say those kids are very disciplined but you will not do issues in there so I tend to think that the president was very categorical in while he didn't speak it clearly but actual speak louder than once and actual right now shows that there is a likelihood that deputy president William Bruto is alone of course with Kenyans he's not alone but he's with Kenyans but he's not with and maybe his own God he's with them and Kenyans are with them you will always have someone to support you anyway that's what is happening in the political arena and the still COVID-19 I would need your final comments my final comments would be first I want to thank you and the establishment for bringing such a platform you know when we engage them we learn and Kenyans too and dear Kenyans we are in the midst of a war with microbes and that is the COVID-19 pandemic I would sincerely encourage each and every Kenyan to stay put follow the government guidelines and ensure that you are keeping safe so that we are able to defeat the enemy secondly on still back to fellow Kenyans right now every Kenyan is in a mess because of COVID ensure that you are keeping tabs on your friends don't let them go angry if you have slightly more than you can eat at a particular time ensure you divide again for people who are hungry and to fellow Kenyans again who are in regions that are currently facing huge weather issues landslides and I mean floods for mine please stay safe strong we are going to defeat that too and thank you so much for taking time to be with us on this show alright thank you so much Dawn for coming and sharing your comments now Bakum thank you so much for keeping us company I'll be seeing you again in an hour to bring some updates in regards to COVID-19 and just a reminder by yesterday the government or the minister of health had tested 32,097 samples of which by yesterday for 1,056 samples 23 turned positive of COVID-19 the number now stands at 672 will be waiting to hear what happened later in the day during the daily updates of COVID-19 they call is stay home you can wash your hands with water and soap regularly and sanitize if you are out here observe social distance and also still observe the coughing and sneezing etiquette that is very much important and if you have flu like symptoms please quarantine yourself for 14 days the government keeps on saying this and if you feel like things are not okay please visit your medical facilities we have other diseases that we need to cure as a nation there is other conditions that we need to look into non-fia hospitals the government has assured us that these facilities are safe so please check on other areas of life it's not just about COVID-19 there are issues that we need to take care of so please take care of just about COVID-19 there are areas we need to consider as a nation have a very good morning and see you in a bit