 So, welcome everybody and we hope to make this interesting thought provoking panel discussion and not only thought we actually expect that this will translate into some action enabling the digital India. So, I will start with a quick presentation and motivation for why standard and interoperability, the role that standard and interoperability should be playing in cloud computing. What I am presenting here has come out of discussions, deliberations within CCICI and so it represents ideas and thinking of several people and you see in the board are the members of the governing board and the executive committee are the ones on the left. So, you can see we have a good representation and the organization itself is much bigger than this including our members. So, I encourage you to look up the website and see what we are all about. But to talk about cloud you know the analogy that I want to take is internet. So, when I started my career way back in the 18s there was no internet and there was no email. So, what did you do? You went and signed up with one of these companies like America online or Compulsor or Prodigy or Indian the work net and it provided you the ability to network with your colleagues. So, as a group the department will go and sign up for a and before email there was actually just the bulletin board. You would post the message on the bulletin board and that would come to everybody and then they started email, but only within that group and it is only so that was the model and email was this killer and everything was proprietary. You could send mails to anybody other than on the group. Over time they started extending that service if two groups are signed with the same two departments are signed with the same service provider then they could start sending messages. So, that was an extension in the application. And then what happened you know Dharpanet was formed by defense to enable communication amongst the defense and then they said why can't we take what we have learned by developing Dharpanet to the rest of the world and that is when ITF was formed. Now ITF was a bunch of technologists who wanted to realize the potential of the technology by interconnecting the whole world and there wasn't a business interest which was driving that. So, business interest can inter-emergence of the potential of new technology and that is the point. It was a bunch of technologists that came together with this vision that this technology has the potential to connect everybody in the world and they developed the under ITF the whole you know the routes the exchanges the whole concepts that have driven besides DNS and TCP IP I mean there is a whole lot that has happened in the internet world which has enabled it. And that led to and the whole new world right a whole lot of service providers and a whole lot of applications and because this is open because of the standard. Now let's look at the world of cloud. So, we have all these equivalents of the America online and the computers today. You go to a cloud service provider and you get logged in right it's very difficult to interpret. There is no federation there is no inter-working. So, what is needed and this is a vision in ITB. So, these are these slides come from the working group of ITB which is actually called the inter-cloud working group. So, from internet they have taken the term inter-cloud and they are trying to develop standard and it's fairly mature now that standard is emerging. But it's for the rest of us to kind of embrace this and enable and it's not a business first it's a technology first mindset that is needed to realize the potential that cloud has. What is GICTF which has developed a bunch of use cases and I have tried to put them which make the comparing argument for what is the advantage of an interoperable cloud. Why do you need an interoperable cloud right. So, these are some of the cases and I put them into the Indian context. So, if you see supposing there is a state there is a data center X and it has two applications running in the data center income tax filing and for birth and death records and they have different patterns of usability right. So, come the peak time for income tax filing they run out of capacity there is over load. So, what they do is they take the birth and death records and transfer it transition it to some other data center somewhere temporarily and there and manage the load for income tax file that's a you know load balancing the scalability kind of application. So, how will you enable this when you have cloud what will be needed to be standardized what is the kind of protocol you need for interaction between the service providers because the service providers could be different vendors. So, what will enable them to operate and make this happen is what is detailed in the GICP of use case what needs to happen a priori what need will happen at the time of the overload right all of that and and it's a it's a kind of a one hour tutorial to work through all of these test cases and I won't do that I quickly say. So, the other one is mobility right. So, I just walk through the use cases at the high level and not go through the details. So, mobility so you travel abroad and your health records are lying in some with some service providers what will enable them to make it available if you fall sick and your hospital needs it with reasonable access time because if the access time is very bad your x-ray you will never be able the system in this time will never be able to see the video because you know they are heavy. So, this is the basic mobility case and that requires a lot of you know standards to be put in place and protocols to be put in place similarly guaranteed availability if a disaster strikes the data center you know disaster recovery you all know what is disaster recovery right. So, the disaster strikes but you have you have been replicating your data in other places and you can immediately switch to that right in other data centers and this is again the description on what it takes then similarly integrated integration of applications right enhanced convenience by service cooperation So, Aadhaar wants to the passport guys want to use Aadhaar the job application guys want to use Aadhaar the loan application the bank right they all want to you want to go to Aadhaar. So, how do you enable that oh in a in a cloud environment that is another application and then service continuity. So, you signed up with a service provider and that and suspended business for whatever reason right then what do you do how do you switch seamlessly from one service provider to another without any factory of business right. So, this is an example of that and then finally, there is a broker application service providers may be providing services at different price points different SLAs and a broker will be dynamically and use could vary in time. So, giving you the best deal as per your need right. So, that you can seamlessly switch between service providers from a user perspective it makes a lot of sense. So, that is the other use case and so globally what is happening is there are a lot of players in the standard landscape. So, it is a complicated landscape right and different countries and different open forums are trying to develop standards for different things. So, in a from a digital India context how do we deal with this how do we recommend what is right the other thing that is happening in the world is open source. So, open stack is a representative in cloud they are building an open stack. Now, that is another way of defining a de facto standard. So, the open stack API is the de facto standardized API you know. So, that is another aspect to that and within IEEE while they are doing these standards P2301 and P2302 they are also setting up an interoperability test which is spanning across universities and different labs, different government agencies across different parts of the world. So, I kind of leave it at that and then these are the questions we are going to now throw at the panelists. One is the role of cloud computing in enabling digital India what are the challenges in cloud adoption that we see today. So, we will go on to the first question. How cloud can enable this so, the government has asked an initiative by the digital locker which allows you to or should allow you to store all your documents on it so that when you know you want something you don't have to go around searching for things doing your certificate and so on so forth. An example of how this works is if anybody has run my GSM as they have the other that which is a very advanced piece of technology which we have so then you can just go ahead and get your phone number in five minutes instead of going to a lot of laboratories, verification and so on. I think the major thing that cloud computing does is speeds and processes that makes them a lot more efficient and in the case of digital India this would help. Another thing of course is that we are a very large country and cloud has a lot of scalability and so the cloud computing would definitely help in scaling up much faster because for example think like directly we think transfers to other parts so those kind of things would not be possible without cloud computing. So another challenge is I think I would like to work from an academic perspective since I am a university and one of the major problems I foresee is availability of trained personnel so the academic aspect is a challenge because cloud computing as I said the application of cloud computing is pretty much limitless and you can spend hours talking about what are the possible things and you need a corresponding large number of people who are still in cloud computing cloud applications knowing how the academic cloud efficiency is also good and so that is definitely a challenge for the cloud computing. We share an industry perspective so role of cloud computing according to the table here is to on the digital side embrace the change. The change is very important in the current advancements to the world which are very important. So in the digital here there are different stakeholders which are one is citizen with a real beneficiary we need to understand what citizen today means and also apart from the citizen perspective you also need to understand the culture and the which he operates. This is true in the digital in the change and citizens of India today really look for the profit and convenience of driving things and culture of today is trying to say that go digitize, make the things simpler, make the things simpler in providing the things that people are really looking for. So in order to converge all these things together it's about the cloud is trying to play a catalyst to embrace this particular change and try to connect all the systems coming together to drive, connect and communicate. So this is very important as we try to see and definitely any kind of a change is possible and you really bring it out of and that's where the digital India issue, it is not the way of the prime minister. It's trying to trigger the thought and trying to allow all the operators, all the enterprises to come forward and raise their goal in this entire position. It's not one particular sort of industry to work with but this change to happen it's all in this way to come together to bring that change. Now one of the challenges I see in the cloud adoption is about why these things are happening in a very much an isolation, all these changes need to have a convergence point and that's where we need to see how this convergence can be happening. Unless this convergence happens the change cannot provide the right level of what we want to see. So convergence is one of the areas that we need to really connect to and that's where our second push in that direction. My perspective and I'm going to give it in terms of how I personally see. I see cloud computing and digital India are two parts of new economic creation of what we are all heading to works. So I think we see it as that opportunity. It's tremendous. What does digital mean? Digital means consumerization. It means that power at the end of consumer either for public services or for commercial enterprises or in any way. So if you're really looking at truly digital companies but unfortunately the room should be able to drive the process where it's a public service or a private services but really want and enable that. And the cloud is an underlying infrastructure to drive that transformation. So the most important part in the digital is a huge new opportunity for all the developing nations including India in terms of empowerment for the people in creating businesses and driving. So if communications and we are seeing it as that opportunity to innovate a new economic model I think that's what I could see as the opportunity of future. What about what you can see for a gift definitely from that standpoint. What are the challenges in that? I think the challenges really comes that if you look at as I'm going to talk about the story of Internet now if you look at the timelines of that story 1965 or 69 was the internet and 1985 was the actual internet existence coming in and then from that 85 to 95 a worldwide bad, all that stuff happened and then from 1995 to 2000 you saw a different world now if you look at this acceleration these are the economic evolution with that change. We're exactly in the same way from a cloud standpoint and digital standpoint. We are now somewhere in 90s of that time frame 85 to 95 we are sitting with the cloud and digital in that time frame. The acceleration that took 10 years and the world by surprise is awaiting to happen with these two pieces across the world and we probably have not a slight list of the view of what the economic potential of this model is and I think it's huge and it is governments, it's industry it is academia which everybody is sitting here is the role to make and capitalize this opportunity to create a different dimension. What are the challenges therefore to define this opportunity I think it is about maybe adoption, simple everything and you talk about the change as Mala said, why does the change happen why all of us are so hooked on to WhatsApp and phone all the time. It's just easy for you to take it and do what you want does this change make all of us to plug in play and just you know as you talk about 60 use cases does it help us to move and change and do our work in a much simpler way when we come to this. It's the single most challenge I see and that requires a lot of work which is the second part of the question of the business personal view is I think if you treat it as an economic opportunity model market will drive with the digital and cloud to gather a very big different world coming forward so I think that's why we really end then saying how I've seen as an opportunity and how we simplify it further creates opportunity for all the people sitting here and across the ecosystem. I will be very very honest about it my respect is not much different from what you have just said I said this yesterday also when I look at digital India there is a tagline which says power to empower which is basically empowering the citizens and the businesses with two things I would say. One is with information and the services that they would like to see when they have this kind of information as an example we have other which is we know how it is, what is helping the other one is digital doctors who talk about it and that helps us in terms of so much information both in the cloud but I think this is good and definitely going to give a lot of opportunities that has been thought about. Now when it comes to the challenge I can't agree more than what you just said in terms of standards and simplification yes there are so many other benefits that power to empower how do we really make this really happen how we can promote it how we can really showcase that it is really going to be useful for the individuals as well as for the organization to really adopt the power to empower and that is the key challenge that we have second thing is because of simplicity because it is a very good collaboration of strong of these services that comes in how do we really consolidate it you will start getting the benefits of cloud gets lost if you have so many of these services that are going to optimize the efficiency first of all so you have to make sure that how do you really control that I think it is another challenge that we will force it I think when you are speaking the last thing other panelists have already covered the topics that I have to share but importantly I just want to ask a question to the audience where do you think the next big idea is going to come which showcases I believe this could be from some garage here in Bangalore because that is the power of cloud that has given the developers the right to experiment with the latest and the greatest technology thanks to the APIs, thanks to cloud they can be sitting in a garage here in Bangalore and building the next big idea that is exactly what is going to do for visitor India as well so the benefits of course like the way as you go model you can scale it up at your will it is going to be always there with cloud but of course of the challenges we had also talked about yesterday the top one in the list was putting the politics aside the security was the top concern and once you become a mature cloud user just remember that the cloud is not stationary that is also moving at a high pace it is very dynamic there are lot of technologies and stuff moving along with it so soon you will see that you know VMs are things of the past it is going to be containers and Kubernetes, MSOIs and Ranchers you name it there are lot of things that are coming in the next horizon so we as architects, we as readers have to think of what could be the bottlenecks down the line can a customer or can a visitor India have the flexibility to move from one cloud to the other so that is where this topic is very relevant I think in terms of can it be interoperable is it flexible enough to give you that cost benefit because cost and the numbers so we have to keep the cost minimal the person I talked about this and Dr. Sathira also talked about this like give the latest and the greatest at the lowest cost point and you have to scale it for millions and billions that is a unique thing that you will get only in this country and that is the answer so now that we have concluded that the only way digital India can happen is if we embrace cloud and its implementation and interestingly we are on the job the other ministry of electronics and IT embedded 11 cloud service providers for users in the government one day there are a bouquet board with my cloud so the old model of a managed services model they have embedded 11 service providers and when we left it open to all government agencies to go with same thing like the number of the 5 of them all simultaneously to jump the technology ads which can enable it in accelerating cloud that is the second part of the discussion and you want to start from that direction I will stick to the earlier points that I mentioned so standard supply across all the periods you start with consuming just the infrastructure or consuming some fast services consuming at the business level or you are just taking an entire business process as a service it has to be a standard where I can say this cloud vendor is giving me better value for money than that vendor so you have to have a standard way to compare others to others that is where a lot of the things that I believe the standards will apply at the top layer at the bottom layer we already have enough of standards it would be like bringing together them especially for example in the case of security we have a good set of standards that are available but there will be few that we might have to look at customers need their visibility I as an enterprise is responsible for showing the audit and regulatory reports to my evaluator so how can I get the right set of data from the cloud provider so that I can build my audit reports so I don't want to change the audit reports when I go from Amazon version or the other way around so these set of standards we have to divide so that there are no additional investments to moving to cloud you know trying to answer your questions if it would be good if you can write down your questions on a piece of paper they will be collected and sent here and then you can address them that will help us save some time here so thank you very much please send down your questions on papers and hold up the sheet and we will come and collect them the way I look at the standards and the probability I look at the probability is one of the kind of outcome that we can have from the standards so from that perspective there are a lot of standards obviously when I talk about the list of standards that are already placed a lot of work that is already happening in terms of exaggerating the adoption itself I see that the key thing is that standards bring in its simplicity and then it brings up quick adoption because it is open and it is described and it is very well known so I find a service provider I can go and take the standard and I can make use of it then that is one other outcome that I have also placed in is if I am following the standard obviously I know that it is going to be a problem so I think these standards play a very key role in defining what should be the way that cloud services one is actually service that you are providing the other one is information so these two if you are handling it carefully and that is where the standards are defined it becomes easier for adoption now role each one of us play I think there is definitely contributing on our knowledge based on the industry bringing it across on to the standard body particularly participating in some of those standards and either the government nominated agencies or with the government itself participating in defining some of the standards that is where I think we can bring the value in defining some of the standards sorry you know and I will just make sure that the kind of standard and people in general think about it and we talk about standardization to lose differentiation I think it is not at all there so if you have to look at the adoption as a manager we were discussing a while ago India and also the developing countries gives a new green key because you can really look at an opportunity very differently from the other markets which have a defined way of working in business models while in the emerging markets you have a different kind of situation business and models and technology to be adopted differently in India the telecom has mentioned about that being adopted very differently and price models of calls are dropping down 40 paisa 30 paisa, 6 paisa per SMS you know it was never heard of it was never heard of in terms of any part of the world if you would look at all of that has happened because the standards in the telecom way defines a common little program to adjust to what the ecosystem of market will be and I think it does not take a very different situation so the fear that should I not look at standard and interoperability with that focus from a service provider is very critical that that enables the market to become much larger and I am going back to my first point that if the service providers of the start side are able to see that that actually creates a much larger model of the market for their consumption of the infrastructure that they are actually pumping in for the cloud it itself will create the standard and interoperability and the markets of the emerging market or India or digital and what is happening across the world or even the micro security issues economic issues of the world that creates enough opportunity for consumption if this common minimum standards are involved if we are really able to work across the boundaries of countries boundaries of the state of the service provider I think that's where standard has to play it's actually money for everybody it's money for the innovators entrepreneurs it's money for the service provider it's money for the governments because we can make the ecosystem involve to give you more economic value and standards will help in that it's not a constraint I see that that is where the acceleration of cloud adoption should be and the example that she put it into one use case you have a lot of ID cards in India now if you want tomorrow to use a particular scheme in India and couldn't be digital and combined with a different model to start up a very different ecosystem on a company and we said in our garage and can they work in a way that you would see different kind of service providers somebody who is really fit really in AWS snapping using the radio somebody using IBM cloud and could have multiple service providers you as a consumer we need all of them to deliver the end goal now if you look at that as a marketer opportunity of consumption all the service providers give the common minimum program as I call it for standards if they exist in coming to play in after coming opportunity evolves and that everybody makes money so I see standards in a very much as an acceleration of the business opportunity that digital and cloud providing across the globe if there is a people member sitting here see it as an opportunity there is enough to go after and make money for everybody on to the tables what are the role each one of us should play I would only from a standpoint that might be role from I just move from input to Indians for science and Indian society of innovation for development you know a growth industry and academia so I see that because it's a common minimum program and standard you really need multiple growth industry you know the service provider the consumers to come together and invest in real I'll be creation of that which is at a lower cost and I'm very personally helping on the table with all class members sitting here to bring such ecosystems to support the initiative because I see there is a larger economic opportunity but it's heading towards a different job crisis model in our overall situation but I think this is an opportunity which we cannot leave on table because it provides all of us a great opportunity to capitalise and I think it's a great role we will have our roles to play but I understand mine and industry and academia then there is also there reflecting the same thing that's what I'm talking about so just want to switch in context think about a standard when you think about a standard what comes to your mind what is the minimum thing which comes to you any voices why is this at security you don't take away the charger what you use you don't use that it's a number of manufacturers are there but they follow that particular standard like there are many standards standards has not come on the table it gets devolved over the specific guidelines translated into the best practices the fluent results which get matured and emergence of multiple companies coming together to authorise that to a structured model standards definitely play a role in all this of the cloud what we are trying to talk about if you try to compute you try to create the storage which is the three important elements there are specific standards which are given out there are different cloud providers FMLS say 11th and cloud providers are 35 I will think of the initiatives from the future what does that mean if you really look into the compute powers compute virtual machines which are described in the different cloud providers they follow the different T-shaped sizes and if you are asking about the storage peers they follow different pricing structures if you are trying to ask about the networking they have a different pricing structure and different sizes under which they operate now there is an need for us to take this particular standardisation across this cloud that will help us to make things more impactful and help citizens or help innovators to try to fix much better so when I think about the standards we try to apply to architecture standards then we develop a positive mode so that people can have a better chance it's not only the side of the thing we need to look at but also the clean standards also we try to do that yesterday I was trying to socialise and the team here who are trying to enter this conference I could see some kind of significant doubts in their mind about the cloud networking or the vendor networking what we talked about interoperability these are the four terms which came to me as an attention and they are often getting confused about these particular terms sometimes people feel that the locking is an interoperability issue but not when you try to talk about the locking from the customer perspective it's all about operating high cost so that's why the question is there with the people that you don't want to get into a situation where you have to move from one cloud and it's involving high cost second thing is what interoperability what does that mean it's all about two different clouds talking to each other if you are able to have your applications talking to each other which are operating in the different clouds you are able to successfully say that I am moving from one cloud if you are trying to talk about projectivity which you need to move from one cloud and federation is all about bringing different applications operating in the cloud form a meaningful solution so it's very important that you all consider these basic terms and try to apply to that particular context the standards and interoperability is definitely a challenge today that needs to be taken care and it's only possible when the different industry standard bodies who are trying to define these standards can converge again and they told there is one of the important challenge when the standard bodies can converge and define a uniform standard and release it and then people start following it and start seeing the different results things can go massive and we will be able to operate in a very simple terms second thing about the role of each one I just want to ask a few questions here people how many of you are members of the open group people are pending I believe members of the open group who are working in some part of the open group and continuing please raise your hands I see a few hands how many of you are members of the CSI I see a few hands and how many of you are members of the cloud committee innovation council of India how many of you are members of IIT I see a few hands so what does this bodies are trying to do they are trying to help and contribute to this particular standards and help in certifying this so why it was you take a pledge associate with one of the model and try to work in the particular open groups and make your impact make your experience counter actually we can play with your roles develop in the standards rather than expecting someone else to define you and contribute to the stage that's a specific thing I want to mention here thanks I think a lot of interesting points I will give so let me just my perspective on it and I think the need for standards is easy to understand I can just take the example of cars so all cars are roughly the same except for the user some of them may have a different shape steering wheel or different colors or you know different gauges but luckily they are all the same as you can already use them and I think that clearly highlights the need for standards if we have standards then that makes it simpler for us to use the cloud if it activates an option of the cloud because you know developers can leverage the knowledge they have if they write for one cloud they can do another cloud so as I have to point out standards I don't think it's clear the standards benefit consumers because it introduces some sort of competition so it can easily switch from one cloud to another but I think it also benefits the cloud vendors because it has been pointed out the user standards will increase the market for cloud applications because people develop applications faster and you know they can deploy applications multiple clouds and so on so actually cloud standards also benefit the vendors because it will expand the size of the market then in terms of interoperability I think camera has a very wonderful slide on you know the internet I think somebody another had pointed out that we are in the 1985 to 1990 cloud is concerned 1990 people have the vision that let's link all the networks together and then around the 2000s and so on we saw the internet worldwide and also applications coming out so similarly if we you know link together multiple clouds develop infrastructure definitely we can see today and a simple example of this is say for example today for the passport verification if you apply for passport it will be very high government departments these can be made much more efficient if you do have interoperability of cloud in terms of what each one of us can do I think everyone of us should participate in these efforts as have been said this is the early days of cloud it's not a mature technology all have a transformative difference and here there are many efforts going on in CCSA itself we have efforts going on with standards of interoperability and I have solicited your participation in that of all the participants we are distinctly welcome we can have participants from our perspective from academia from a wider innovation and so on from vendor perspectives or from customer perspectives we welcome all participants if anybody is interested please see me now so so looks like you know by the response the questions that we got we are very convinced about the story we are repeating here the picture we are repeating here about the importance of cloud for digital India and the importance of standards and interoperability to enable cloud especially in a leapfrog situation like ours and other emerging economies which are here partner activities so I go to these questions one by one and see how many of these we can address so I think first and foremost I think Anurag you should take this the adoption of cloud diminish the IT departments coming from the the provider this is an interesting click as I said yes that's the people think that there is a job opportunity and there is a crisis of job opportunity which is unfolding given that you have AI IOT, cloud and everything lots of technologies are coming around so there is that inherent insecurity about that fact however I don't think the IT departments will ever go away what will happen is that they will become the integration at the side of see today you have a within IT department as a network being a different group which is about structure and then you have an application group what the cloud does is in terms of the shift is to bring all of this together but together into a service model now the CIO's department or IT department function is about shifting to look at managing this differently so I think this is an opportunity for the CIO department to become the integration of the service model rather than looking at okay that my advertisement is going to go I think that's what it will become I don't think it is diminishing the IT department it will make sure that the throughput of the same team which is existing is multiplied by at least 3 to 4 I think that's all of you have budget cuts none of your CIO's are going to be increasing the IT budget for IT department given the macroeconomics industry and world at this point of time so your size is always under consideration how many people are there in the IT department now if the same team is doing 5 times the throughput with a higher quality I think that opportunities will be enormous so I personally don't see this as diminishing the case of it but it's an opportunity to shift but that has one point in your own competency in that department and I think that most of us are from forums and we are part of the CTII myself phase and I am looking without any world group there I think that is looking at the interoperability we are pretty much there to make sure that we are able to really ensure that in the country and our job is to make sure that we prepare for the future opportunities there is a couple of things one is I think the role of IT is certainly going to be changing that I think you mentioned it's going more from an IT from an operations point of view to an IT governance level because when you are looking at cloud computing you will have certain SLS that have been set certain services that you will be looking at as was indicating brokering at the same time you have to really govern that and make sure that the services that have been provided by the clouds adhere to one service level that has been currently and defining what you want as an IT strategy because you are the IT department is the key thing for the business so the business will talk to you not directly to the cloud provider you form the interface you form the strategy you form the governance layer you take care of the financial management of running the IT itself so next question I would say what is the impact of cloud on national security I think a couple of things to take care of again with cloud like I said in the previous session the attack service is based but again we have to look at the data sovereignty part the data integrity part where data resides these are some of the primary concerns of cloud and security when it comes to the nation level given that most of the cloud providers have already indicated there are 11 empaneled cloud service providers empaneled in the sense they are already tick marked to run cloud and workloads on that cloud whether it is serious this empowerment has several set of criteria which also has contributed in terms of checking out what are the controls that you have controls at all the levels and what are the standards that you need so that's where the standard really comes into the picture so if I have to evaluate one mentor or another mentor do you comply with the standard and that takes care of multiple concerns that I should be worried about so I think I believe that you are in safe hands with some of the contributions coming from the team itself contributing back to improve our national security can I ask you guys one question on this Pamela I can take two minutes on this question let's just test I think we can't go over all the questions they are amazing questions I would only say that if we think in the current rate none of you would be in your mind thinking that you can knock your front door in the house your house is secure do you think that's a good enough security for your houses so I think the issue of national security is not about this is my perspective from a technologist standpoint when entering into a paradigm when you are talking about real time prevention of the model and how does these standards will make sure that you are active proactive all the time is the answer for national security enterprise security it is not about having lots of new locks to be defined as these standards but it is to make sure that you are providing those locks however you keep the elements up for a real time visibility and tracking and historical trending I think you are involved in that model that's a real answer in my perspective but that creates a lot of opportunity again I see it all as a great opportunity so before we question that I have handed over here I want to bring up one question now I don't know if Pallab wrote this but I think Pallab should answer this even that we are an open group here the question is how important is enterprise architecture to successful cloud adoption yeah I think what happens is the adoption of cloud has a lot of impact on the way the IT department is designed within the organization in fact many times people ask me that if I am putting almost everything on the cloud do I even need a technology architecture for instance because the vendor is taking care of that but the whole idea here is to understand what are the business priorities and therefore figure out what you want to put on the cloud because eventually no organization is going to put everything lock stock and barrel on the cloud it's going to be a hybrid between on-prem and cloud based on certain business priorities and maybe certain data so it does have a huge impact on the way the roles are defined the structure the roles and responsibilities the accountability and this is all written by the the business and the security priorities