 Okay, we're back real live. I'm Jay Fidel, three o'clock block and Today we're doing code green at this block and I'm your visiting host Your real host is Howard Wiig energy analyst with the state energy office and we're talking together about the new energy conservation code a whole new ballgame and Howard and I met in the passage last Tuesday at the Verge conference and he was telling me about this and I got a film of it And it was it sounded really great and high news. This is high news What happened Howard after all these years finally she is a reality this new code of yours You wouldn't believe it, but government moves slowly. I believe it. I believe it. Yeah so the deal is There are national codes put out by the International Codes Council like the plumbing code the fire code the seismic code and they're updated every three years and Theoretically the states follow right along every three years Had we been able to do the update every three years the state would be tens of millions of dollars richer for not having imported oil and having Keeping dollars into people's and people's pockets to see in efficiency question Efficiency question. Yeah, we'll just save millions and millions and millions of hands of millions So how come we didn't upgrade our code the way other states are upgrading their codes because The state building code council. That's all of us code types assemble once a month and We modify the code give news on the code so forth and we were created by the legislature 2007 and Describe what the council was to do and then there was appropriated an amount of X to hire an executive and an assistant so that they could plow through all of the Byzantine bureaucracy that is involved in creating a new law The then governor who shall remain nameless Appropriated zero so we went back to her had in hand the next year Zero so then comes another governor had in hand Governor it says right here. We get an appropriation zero zero zero zero from 2007 to the present so all of us sitting around that table have a lot of other things to do and Getting through what's called the administrative rule process is Sure Administrator procedures act applies to all of this. That's makes it more difficult yet. It is Incredibly cumbersome And if you were a governor first thing I do is sit down with you and slash that thing about in a third Eliminate many many many steps mean the administrative procedures. Yes. Yes, I mean, let me assure you if I were governor I would meet with you and I would do that Howard. Okay That's good. We that's a deal. Yeah so The existing code dates back to 2006 and this is a Technological matter, you know Moore's law, you know how rapidly technology is changing and Especially a lot of the building technologies are changing. The idea of a code is to update update update it keep up with those new more efficient technologies and We didn't we were stuck back in 2006. So the longer you wait Logarithmically, it's more more more difficult to make the change Yeah, so we had to wait all that time and had we been able to keep up with a three-year process We would have had increasingly increasingly increasingly stringent energy codes Which would have been passed to the counties and people would have updated updated updated gotten better and better and better So now it's been adopted. Mm-hmm. And I want to go through your slides. I want you to go through your slide I want to ask you one question before the process That that prevented us From keeping current on these three-year iterations You know the national conservation and it wasn't just me it was all codes by the way all codes The process that that it kept us behind that That limited our ability to keep up Was that process is still in place So for example, if this was adopted here in 2017 In by 2020 we'll be up for another update And my guess Howard and this is probably the bottom line of the show Is the same thing is going to happen again, isn't it? No, because we got so frustrated at the building code council that in the last couple of meetings we agreed No more administrative rule There's we checked the law and we have our attorney general sitting there right at the table with us And she said no you do not have to go through the administrative rule So we can make our amendments propose our code at the council level And shoot it directly to the counties because the counties are the where the rubber meets the road That's where the architects and engineers submit their plans for a new building That's great news. Great. So this won't happen again. Heck with administrative. What about the funding issue you raised? Still we keep hunting for Funding from this source that source because we can't get it from the legislature. Oh, they uh, they Say yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and then I know you're going to find this hard to believe but right at last minute As the last three days of the session Somehow it disappears I actually don't don't find that hard to believe at all. Oh, it's just the way life is in the square building So why don't we go through me some of your slides? We're prepared to do that and why don't you Present a subject to my interruption. Sure. Sure. Well, you It'll be very very welcome because you shed new light on this. Okay next slide, please Next slide, please Okay, this is yep. I talked about all this next slide Next slide We're gonna catch up here. Yeah. Yeah, it's all about catching up. Yep. So Because we've waited so long a new building or a new home built today Will be 30 for 33 up to 33 more efficient than a home built to 2006 and the magic of energy code is that in year one Say 5000 buildings and homes were built you save your 33 on all of them But those buildings don't go away. They're projecting for a 20 year period You get Year one year two year three year four if I you get 20 years savings out of that one building But there's more the next Year you get another cohort of new building and they Measure the savings for 19 years and in 18 years 17 years. It's called cumulative saving and the end result is A savings of over one billion dollars and that is conservative. That's a great. That's a great story. Yes great news so happy that this happened and the state's energy goal is 100 clean energy By the year 2045 everybody thinks photovoltaics photovoltaics That's one end of the equation. The other is decrease decrease decrease decrease the The amount of energy we're using in the first place Well to the extent you decrease the amount of energy you're using in the first place by reason of this code Efficiency means you don't have to put as much solar on Substantially less precisely great news So we can go to the next slide Okay, now the really good news Is that I sit on the national code boards as well as the state code board And I and a bunch of my buddies up there in dc Managed to get a whole new climate zone called the tropical climate zone into the national code which allows us To design buildings any old way we want to we no longer have to conform to what's good for minnesota So now at the res there's residential and commercial components at the residential level The tropical code allows single wall construction You don't have to have insulation on your walls I mean who heard of single wall construction. I grew up with it. I turned out pretty good And you know just a moment on howard says of humor very draw Turned out pretty good It must have been that single wall construction Yeah, yeah, I believe it And so these things The thing like the single wall construction that was in the code before wasn't it no Oh, we didn't have an energy code a real energy code until 1994 By which time the production builders the guys who built a lot of the home They were in double wall because the mainland does double wall Ah, okay. Okay. So this is really an improvement. This is really and you're adapting it to the way things are in hawaii We're dashing headlong into the 1950s There it is that's because it worked How about this instead of air conditioning ceiling fans jealousy windows? Yes, jealousy windows are allowed And I'll describe the uh amendment in a moment better go to the next slide here So here here's more in detail You can have zero air conditioning In this home or you can go up to 50 percent You get credit for pvs on the roof Penestration means windows. You have very specific window lots of window requirements Lighting roofs You know what we're going to go through each of these. Why don't we go to that? Oh, there's an illustration down on the lower right That is a rural home on the big island And that's the type of home that I have in mind Yeah, this is a very efficient home, isn't it with a great big overhangs otherwise known as lanai And there there's a lanai Photo there too. It's interesting how far we've gotten from that when that was really a great solution years ago The old hawaii style was very valuable and I'm local. I grew up with this stuff And any local person I talked to it just just makes immediate sense. That's how we should do it Yeah, it's bad. It's back to the basics. That's what it is. It's healthier Anybody who studies buildings knows that interior Atmospheres in buildings are something like four to five times worse generally Than the exterior air. So what we're doing is encouraging people to be in the nice fresh air And of all the states and union hawaii has the cleanest air. Yeah, so we should focus on this It's really an improvement in many ways Philosophically an improvement. How about the next slide? Ventilation you must have if you're not going to air condition You must have a lot of windows say if you have a thousand square feet of floor space You must have 140 square feet of open vent area And again jealousy windows even though they don't meet code because of something called air leakage We say yes, it does meet code because Centrally air-conditioned homes in hawaii with our beautiful climate if it's nice and cool outside and dad wants to reduce the Energy bill says AC off jealousies up Boom, you're a nice comfort with the trade winds blowing. We know it strikes me. This is a really great paradigm for us Too bad. We didn't have this before But there are an awful lot of buildings have been built with central air conditioning That we are going to ruin the day. It's going to be so expensive And such a waste of energy when you all you're going to do is open it up a little Yeah, speaking of which can we open it up a little and get off that screen so howard and i can talk to each other for a minute Oh, okay. Howard. How are we doing so far? We're a little behind schedule, but we're doing absolutely beautiful You you could you could have written a code yourself Well, I really admire this code and I admire your work on it This must be a great moment for you. It's a great moment for Howard because it's something you've been working on for what 20 years more Yeah, and uh, he's come to fruition and and it's it's a dream come true And right now we're gonna have a we're gonna have a break come true We're gonna have this one minute break. It's gonna come true. Watch this bang Which you can see live from one to 130 every Tuesday at thinktechkawaii.com and then later on youtube I am an energy attorney clean energy advocate and community outreach specialist and on power of hawaii We come together to talk about how can hawaii walk towards a clean Renewable and just energy future to do that We talk to stakeholders all over the spectrum from clean energy technology folks to community groups to Politicians to regulators to the utility. So please join us Tuesdays at one o'clock for power of hawaii That's the word of the day. Howard wig, but it's not just Howard wig It's Howard wig an energy analyst at the state energy office here on code green his show I'm only visiting and we're talking about the new energy energy conservation code A whole new ballgame right here in hawaii name. It sounds great. So Howard you want to continue with your slides now? Yep, we're ready for the next slide Okay, who we got Okay part of the tropical code that I've been describing mandate A rough end that means a wire For ceiling fans and if people want the ceiling fans There's a little plug up in the ceiling boom take off the plug. Pick up the wire and boom. You've got your ceiling fans ceiling fans reduce our perceived body temperature by Five degrees for slow up to 12 degrees for fast in our beautiful climate. That's all we need We don't need air conditioning. So this is an incentive It has to be there in what the largest bedroom and the second largest the largest other room in the house All all bedrooms in the next large okay, and and and that means that when you move in When you start furnishing the inside you already have the thing ready to go All you got to do is plug in the fan or you can tell the builder I want the ceiling fans in right now. Yeah, you move in But at the very least he's got to put the plugs in So and the result is that you don't have to spend a lot of money putting the plugs in later as an afterthought Precisely and doing all that wiring. Yeah expensive. It's just done When the electrician is up there doing all the other wiring. It's a great idea. Yeah And perfect for hawaii perfect because we need a lot of fans. We don't need air conditioning Absolutely, and that calls for the next slide, please. Okay And lighting Oops, we skipped one. Yeah, there's minimal lighting efficiency and you measure efficiency or efficacy by lumens per watt This is totally totally outdated LED's are coming on like gangbusters Look at that maximum 60 lumens per watt. That's miles per gallon Just read this morning that sonyo came out with a lamp 220 lumens per watt Wow Stounding it's going so rapidly and the next slide Will illustrate that somewhat The leds are pretty gosh darn complicated as you you can see But they are being made mass produced by the millions and millions and millions No exaggeration so that the cost has come down way way down and Hawaii energy is a sponsor of think deck Works with the retailers and reduces the cost further I think you can go into a big box store and buy four of them for $10 or something now So they're really really cheap. They're less 50 60 thousand hours They can be dim. They're rugged whole new world whole new world. Yeah So what what does the code specifically provide that you must have energy efficient bulbs 75% of your lamps must be energy efficient In that in a home or a commercial property that you turn over in commercial property. It's 90% Because I will go in there. I mean it's a good place to start Uh in the sense that you're not talking about you go in there with the old fashion And then you have to change it all out You go in there with most of them set up as as high efficiency to very at the very start And in my unbiased opinion any architect engineer builder would just do 100% now because Where you used to want a different type of lamp was in say the dining room when you want to might want to Dim the dining room to make a nice relaxed atmosphere You can dim leds all day long and twice on something. No problem. What's the word dimmable? That's the thing I think the early ones weren't so much dimmable But now they're so high tech and they're so efficient and they're dimmable. You can do anything with them Yeah, all the big companies are doing Huge amounts of research on and so they're improving all the time There were a number of exhibits at at the verge conference by people who making leds including fluorescent fluorescent bulbs that are led They look like fluorescent, but they're they're led Yeah, they look like fluorescence, but they're really led those are called linear and they're smart bulbs, too They got processing in them. Yeah, all kinds of controls Speaking of which we better move to the next slide And there's a big section Oh, no, this is a different one instead of having wall installation. You can either have reflective walls that is Coating on the wall it's such that most of the sun's heat that strikes that wall Is reflected back instead of traveling through or you can shade that wall by a back outside eve Yeah Point three meaning if you have a 10 foot high wall, you must have An eve that goes out three feet So you must do one or the other one or the other no reflective coating or the shade or both No harm going above code Yeah, so that's really that's and this again perfect for hawaii, isn't it and this is not just dreamed up by It was dreamed up by me, but it's verified by some of the top mechanical engineers in the nation In terms of performance and it reminds me of that home you showed us that old style home With the lanai and the overhang over the lanai that would that would qualify that absolutely qualifies. Yeah, because that's more like a 1.0 projection factor 10 foot high roof 10 feet out on my little grass shack precisely precisely Which calls for the next page, please And the oh, this is something I helped push through at the national level All of the warmer climate zones on the mainland including us must have this is for commercial buildings now reflective roofs Must what is the reflective roof? It is a roof that reflects back the sun's heat back a minimum of 75 So what is that painted white or a special material? It can be at 75. It can be a light color That would suffice white is best But that white has to be loaded with the titanium dioxide and that gives you the reflective property on it Yeah, one of the things you said I just want to dwell on this for a minute You know you're involved in a national conversation on these issues and you go to these meetings I presume and all over the mainland or in washington And you come and say my name is howard wig from the state energy office in hawaii And I'm going to tell you guys what I think you should do and they listen. Yeah, how about that potato? Whoa, that's pretty good. Howard and I'm sitting next to you when you're talking to me. It's all good Mm-hmm. Yeah, yep. I will drink to that. Yeah, okay. Well, you should celebrate. Yeah, I hope you're celebrating on a regular basis Yes, I am. Yep. Yep So we better go to the next slide here Uh existing roofs there are existing. Yeah roofs in this place There's a whole new section in a new code for renovations alterations and so forth And the when you're replacing a roof This the strikeout the strikeout language is the mainland version And I put that before the roofing association They said no it's going to double the cost of re-roofing So the roofers and I work together And the alternate is down below the underlying part Energy star compliant roofing. That's reflective radiant barrier Or continuous installation at ci or ventilation And again the roofers said yep, that's what we do anyway Put it in the code and it add virtually zero to the cost of the roofing And that it's worth talking about that for a minute too I mean if you were going to try to find somebody who would oppose some of these provisions It would be the developers and builders who want to cut corners and do value engineering and not spend any money But you didn't get a lot of resistance from them, did you? Well, I in the in the case I just Did there is a Hawaii roofing contractors association. I presented the mainland language to them And fortunately they're my friends, so they didn't throw tomatoes at me or something But they said they just shook their heads. No, I said, okay, let's sit down. Let's talk And that's what we came up with that's great. So you have to negotiate this with the trades Because they have their own, you know profit motives to protect and they are members of the building industry association Which politically is very very powerful Building industry association opposes you've won over you've won the hearts and the minds of a lot of legislators a lot of city council so You know, I mean it's just another Kudo for the fact that you have to negotiate with these people you have to deal with objections You have to deal with You know adverse interests and you have to and your your only interest is making it efficient Save energy save becoming more efficient and and get to our 40 45 percent our 20 45 100 percent goals So that's you know, it's interesting that anybody would oppose that but it's understandable They've they've got the wrong point of view. Well, so let's so I know you have other slides We don't have time for many more. Maybe we have to do this again But I just want to close this show on on sort of an inquiry about When it rolls in I mean, what's the when is the effective date? How do we ramp up to do it? Is it being done right now? If I buy a house right now will it comply or when? Okay, governor egays signed the administrative rule into law on august on march 20th It took effect march 30th there and that affects all state buildings and can Consider that we have 265 public schools In this little state and we have all the community colleges and the manoa campus And the health facilities those are a heck of a lot of building in addition to our downtown building So all of those are immediately affected The county guys building managers are very very very aware of this because they sit on the building code council and This should the governor signing should serve as a catalyst for the counties to adopt And the counties they're they'll be getting notified or their mayors will be getting notified that This is a very good thing to do. In fact at the verge conference. I saw the mayors of maui and kawai And they they know me from previous time. They said yep. Yep. Yep. We got to do this Supply to existing buildings so I have to go Does the state have to go and do retro work to get up to this new code or or is it only apply going forward? Only applies to new construction or alterations or renovation and I just saw this morning that The state in the nation doing the most renovation is the way Hmm explain that Oh, it they surveyed people and they asked will you be renovating your home this year? And 33 of everybody they surveyed in Hawaii said yes The next state was on say minnesota No vermont I think and they said 26. So we were head and shoulders about anybody else. We like to renovate We don't like to build from scratch so much as we'd like to renovate not at a hundred seven hundred and thirty thousand dollars Speaking of which I go back to the tropical code. That's seven hundred and thirty thousand dollars If you build to the tropical code goes out the window lord knows how much you're going to save but Lots Yeah, this is great. I I I hope that people realize this is going to have a long-term effect There's going to be a significant part of approaching 100 by 2045 And it's going to make life better and if you have to pay a few bucks more to contractor the developer It's okay because you're going to have a much better home and a quality of life at home And for that matter in office buildings and state state properties in general Yeah, thank you so much. Howard a huge pleasure. I hope you follow through on the rest of the slides at the next show Yeah, yeah, I will do that. I'll have uh Some a little guy doing being the guest He won't verge off on discussion Thank you, Howard wing energy analysts for the state energy office Here on the new energy conservation code a new ball game. You'll you'll see you'll hear more about it