 But there is something very specific about anti-blackness and there's something very definitive about anti-blackness that I think needs to be named and we're seeing that now, right, in particular with what's happening in our country. And I think as women of color, if we don't acknowledge the specificity of anti-blackness, we're actually doing a disservice and we're contributing to it, right. So one is to really pause and examine the way in which our own communities are perpetuating anti-blackness. The second thing is, you know, Ann and I talk about anti-blackness a lot. We talk about one specific way to address anti-blackness is to center black people, right, in our policies and our institutions and our decision-making.