 Last night I put my phone under my pillow and then When I woke up this morning it was gone, but there was a dollar there I'm certain it was the Bluetooth fairy Hey, we'll go back to our stupid Iraq Subcorbans. I'm Rick. You false Instagram Twitter for more juicy content Thanks Rachel and follow us through the comments grab the like button. It's so juicy if you ever sensually spank somebody make it really hard Yep Don't take that advice Doesn't always have to be hard hard enough Today welcome back today. We're doing a movie of you of the 1985 film Paroma or if you're Bengali paroma momo. No poroma Oh, no poroma momo. No, there's no stuttering Lee mumba. Please humble jumbles bobo bobo in Bengali There's like 15 O's Yes Anyways Directed written and starring Well, sort of Yeah Aparma Yes, a partner a partner then And this is I believe our first Introduction to her either as a director or as a actress Outside of I think she was a voice and death on the gun Jaisal. I saw that too So I guess but yeah, it's kind of crazy though. It's we haven't been introduced to her yet It's the first I know of that conconas and Sharma is Nepotism baby. Yep. I hate that nepotism gave well conconas and Sharma and her parents were we're in the industry Her mom was apparently a costume designer and the Bengali film industry just full of Nepo babies I just any industry that wants another relative to be involved in the business I can't comprehend It would be like someone having a YouTube channel and bringing their kids on I would never do that. Oh me neither Anyways, it did come out in 1985. I wanted to get to something that wasn't such it right Because I think nine out of ten Bengali films we've watched there's such it too But I was still gonna get to every such a rifle might something of course because we love him And we want to get to his whole filmography because he's one of the greats of all time But obviously there's so much more that we need to explore of Bengali cinema. Her is a big part included So it'll be a hundred cents for the view. So if you haven't watched it on YouTube That's the only place we found it And but if you don't need subtitles obviously you might be able to find it might be able to find it somewhere else Places than that. Yeah, for example, I know you can get there's one left in stock Amazon has it on DVD. I Didn't see that it was subtitled. So if you speak Bengali, you're you're good to go Anyways, but Rick your initial thoughts, please I Will take I wrote this in my notes give me flawed stories of deep importance over flawless entertainers of little to no importance every day of the week Because the film does have some flaws But they are so forgivable when you consider the importance of the messaging and The highlight of so much in the film that's done so so well I abs I can't wait to talk about it because I love this movie. Yeah, it's uh, I I got recommended because I I asked somebody What? Because obviously they were like, let's get to some non such shit right right stuff, and I was like, okay What I don't know I need recommendations. Yeah and so they was like, well, you can get to a bunch from I'm from Aparna. Yeah, that you haven't explored yet. And so I was like, okay, that sounds great. Yeah And then so I kind of just rifled through a couple That that they suggested and I landed on this one. I'm very happy. I did because it when it sounded intriguing once again a very ballsy film for India in 1985 beyond Beyond ballsy in terms of like one the story, right? It's not a story. That's like I Know it's not Bollywood, but like happy romance Bollywood, right? Once again, I know it's not Bollywood But and it's also just what they decide to show mm-hmm and the deep story that they decided to tell because it's It's not a story. That's like black and white it's a very like The characters in it are extremely gray For for especially for the time of when this was out And so maybe that that's her kind of whole thing and from what I've read it kind of I think it is like This was like her style of not only acting but directing as well She also had a concona has her eyes like all my stars. Oh my like it's like Like you see like one of the things I always note when we watch concona outside of her brilliant acting is she has Deep expressive eyes and I found out where she got mm-hmm, and it's her You mean when you saw her yeah, yeah, yeah But there's so much about this film. I want to talk about but yeah I just really really really enjoy this movie. Let's talk about the performances first. Yeah, I like to acting our main lead Talk about her who is View read up on her we would not know and if I'm mispronouncing the name as always forgive me. I believe it's Rocky Golds are mm-hmm and I Everything I needed She gave to us in the role. I cared about her. She was so good. Um, I believed her She had great complexity There was no indicating that I could see She's a beautiful woman which makes it so so believable why the photographer falls in love with her And why he'd want to you know take pictures of her and put her in a magazine because she isn't just interesting She's strikingly pretty and I I just felt that she did For the fact that she's the titular character she did great service to it and I found her to be the primary reason Among many reasons, but she's you know the story is paramount and right after story comes her performance for me Yeah, absolutely. She gave and it was so an incredible arc of her character from where an amazing character study when we met her in the beginning amazing character stand It was so nuanced Yeah, her character was so good in her performance was so good. I would love to see so much more Thinking and please I don't mean this as an insult. Please. Don't take it that way Because it's endearing the two qualities. I'm about to express are both endearing to these industries but Bengali cinema especially older Bengali cinema is the anti-Malayalam in terms of the speed in which people talk Much slower. Yes much Malayalam films I consistently find myself having to keep up with the with the subtitles and in a lot of the old films Granted we've seen mostly such as a ride I was taken by how many moments of silence and you could have a five-minute scene with basically only five lines being said Yeah, yeah, but yeah her performance her character arc her relationships with everyone from her husband to the the photographer man and their chemistry and her longing for Intimacy and how much they told us about her past without actually telling us it was you kind of like You could tell like how the relationship started how it's going Yeah, even though there were some clues as to like how she's treated. Yeah, and and how she's not beloved like as a woman and and even though like she wasn't seeking out this affair it kind of Happened to her and they didn't like explain that away as like right. Oh, she's doing so good Like her husband wasn't like a beater, right? Like right obviously they gave indications that he might have looked at other women at a certain time Well, and he was definitely emotionally abusive in terms of his complete void of just pure selfishness in the relationship But I appreciate the grayness of almost all these characters in terms of like they could have made him just a evil bad villain You're like, yeah, yeah, go go be with the man that loves you and that that appreciates you blow blah, but they was more like oh Hmm Yeah, maybe maybe we should handle this a little differently Obviously, you're you're unhappy and that's a guy we completely understand Maybe you should talk about that maybe you should separate but you understand the Indian culture Why she can't and because I was like I told several like can you imagine you wouldn't feel this way if it was a man in her role Because one he wouldn't be trapped either Completely different societal structure issues you're dealing with wouldn't feel bad. It's very different. Yeah, but she's she's having an affair, right? But her performance in the entire thing is just from beginning to middle to the relationship and the chemistry They have to the sadness when she's with the husband to the end part where you know, she's in the hospital it was all brilliant in the emotion that she brought to it and the Yes, everything she brought to it. I it was a brilliant performance on her part I would love to ask her what it was like to portray the character in terms of had she Already Rocky had she already been of the opinion that she could fully empathize with this character and that's what naturally draw her to the character or How much of it was a challenge for her? To empathize and step into the shoes of a character who did and thought things that maybe she personally Didn't have a connection with and that's one of the reasons she wanted to portray the character was the challenge Because acting is at its core an empathetic endeavor, especially when you're doing something along these lines My suspicion is it resonated with her? I also would love to know what kind of challenges she may have faced because whatever challenges she faced I didn't sense a single Wall in her performance I felt she was as vulnerable and open and embracing of everything this character was going through and that she had to express on Screen as anything we've seen from actresses Recently that we equate to those kinds of actresses who are courageous and brave like a erotica opt a or a colky or We had commented quite a bit we haven't seen her work most recently But swastika mercury is a Bengali actress who's incredibly brave and I I just I this was a very Especially it would be brave and courageous to do this portrayal today To have done this back in 1985 in India at the time everything about this film is just really groundbreaking and everybody else's performance outside of maybe the white girl in the beginning Wow the white actors in 1985 were just as bad in India as they are now what a shot Whoa was Okay, yeah, please don't let her be much water. I was like, oh, she's off somewhere else great She was actually so bad. It was entertaining to watch But everybody else like the photographer her lover. Yeah, I felt their chemistry. Yep And I liked his character a lot you could tell like he wasn't I even though he might have been from India beginning he's kind of not as in the culture anymore And he felt oh that the husband I thought did a great job at portraying his character Which is yeah the harder roles to play of in terms of like it made me think of a film that I'm looking up By the way, Corbin will look up things on the laptop while we're talking and sometimes I do it on the phone Imagine that but yeah the The husband character which is a difficult one to do a lot of times because one you don't just want to make him Eat unless that's how they wrote him interesting just a dick. Yeah So interesting without because sorry finish one to be a little more well-rounded. Yeah as a character Yeah, and I felt he was yeah, he had so many different at moments. You're like, bro. You're a dick Well, then you're also like I understand also like it's your wife. Yeah fair on you But yeah, yeah, yeah other times when they were like like when she was talking about having a photographer take a picture of the Mom, I felt I was very English-Fengish. They were all being so mean to her. I know like she's this gorgeous woman What are you talking about? I know once she's like it says right here. She's in our 40s for yeah, like she's some old hag Well for many people back then it was and even still today a 40 year old woman's an old hag. Yeah, it's ridiculous Yeah, so I was what I looked up. It's really intriguing to me because there's so many similarities to of this to the bridges of Madison County and This was this was a good Six seven years before the book that the film is based on I Really wonder if the author of the book ever saw this film. Is there stuff a book? Yeah, I don't know the origin of this but bridges of Madison County the film with Clint Eastwood and Merrill Streep if you Haven't seen that please watch that That film is based on the book the bridges of Madison County and It's amazing how similar this story is in many respects and in other respects It's not but it reminded me quite a bit in terms of a woman in a loveless marriage Who's never been affirmed for who she is and as kids? encounters someone that affirms her and on and that that for me storytelling is wise the plant Symbolism for her and there's so many things that are definitively Bengali that you could get into as well about Just the horns drowning out the talking and what that meant to her and the storms happening and what that means for her Yeah, great messaging in the symbolism and it was very strange because as far as the script is concerned There were moments where the script was so remarkable and incredible and then at other times especially in the beginning Which is forgivable Exposition in the script where you're just scratching your head going. Okay. We don't need to show don't tell but the the symbolism of that plant from beginning to end and what that meant to her Just and and how so much of the story is told through her not just her perspective, but through her face I mean, there's a lot of films we talk about where the the primary person. They're just being unforgiving with close-ups Yeah, so much of this story is being told by the way she feels and it has nothing to do Even her body language that when you look at the differentiation and I'm I'm guessing this was filmed out of sequence So the homework she did as an actress if it was filmed out of sequence when you watch her body language and her facial expressions from the beginning To when she's in the rain with Rahul and she's laughing and free and smiling and then later after she's had the brain surgery I She did her homework, man. She just did her homework And you said I actually don't know if I agree if it was a fully I don't know that I would qualify as a loveless marriage I'd qualify it more because loveless. I think like neither of them love each other. I actually think they both probably Loved each other as people. I don't think the passion was there at all. It might have been an arranged marriage And so they kind of and I think I Don't think they fully like love like they should for sure He clearly did not love her. I don't know that that's fully true I'm not saying he's this great guy that this is a difficult thing. I'm trying to explain here I think it was because I think at the end at the beginning They actually showed moments where he like he was he was caring for her and at the end obviously after she got She tried to kill herself, right? He definitely showed elements. So I think like he might love her as a person I don't think he appreciates her as a wife. They're more like roommates that he likes that She's kind of like a mom to him and his family in that aspect If that makes sense. Hmm. I'm trying to figure out the things where you said he expressed his love to her well like in the beginning they they They made love in the beginning right and it wasn't like a well that's because he wanted to have sex But it wasn't like an unpassionate love like it wasn't like he was forcing himself on her I agree. It wasn't like with Rahul obviously he What I'm trying there was no foreplay He it was all about him getting off I'm not trying to say he's this amazing husband. I just don't I fully agree that it would be a Full loveless marriage. Well there that's where I'm asking. Yeah, where did you see any well in love expressed? He I think he deeply cares for her. So maybe that would be the thing I I don't I don't think it's an uncaring marriage It's definitely not a and I don't know if it would be unloving. Yeah, I think he loves him more like He loves his outside of the sex part mom Yeah, I think he cared about her and in direct proportion to what she did To make his life the way he wanted his life That's what I'm saying mom and take care of you and the wife that she's supposed to be as long as she fell in Line with the idea of what a wife is supposed to be in his mind. He would express something of care toward her Yes, that's that's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to see he's he's amazing guy But also I appreciate the fact that he wasn't just this villain either He was very he was much grayer Then he was supposed to be but then he you know, he showed his dick moments as well I Know the elements that we've briefly touched on I really appreciate where some of the score elements of like when certain things would happen The big kind of war sirens would go off Yes, there's there's other times that stuff like that happened Yeah, some of the insane close-ups that they had especially on her Like they just kept getting closer and she yeah, no room to fail as an actress or be dishonest Yeah, nothing. She had it was unforgiving and then I really actually appreciate it and I think Her friend right the the one that Was allowing her basically to have this affair and knew about it the entire time right, right, right? I think that was supposed to be the audience Her kid was more the audience of like because she basically said she's like who am I to who am I to judge you? And they kind of just was witnessing kind of everything because they had the whole she had the whole View of her relationship with her family relationship with this guy. Yeah, how she was unhappy, right? And I feel like she was kind of the audience character. That's a good good good observation. I liked her and maybe that's just yeah I took from it. No, that's a good But I really appreciated her character as well. I liked it a lot. I Like the whole hospital scene Especially the one where she was trying to explain when they were trying to tell her that she needed therapy basically Which you probably do I mean, there's nothing wrong with therapy Yeah, not at all if you're so depressed that you tried to kill yourself. You probably need to talk to a counselor therapy. Yeah It's not the only thing And not and I don't think he needed in the way that they which I appreciated They didn't just relegate her to being mentally ill. Yeah, that was quite mature. That whole scene was I think very mature Yeah, it really was they were like they were trying to Like think that they were caring for her by telling her they think needs but she's like no I took a job. I think it's I'm gonna and then the husband was just so caught off guard that she would Is my money not enough for you? what Like yeah, he just he could have any needs other than something he could know yeah to just to just be So completely self-absorbed that all you do is see your wife within the construct of what you Know your wife should be even to the point of not understanding why she tried to kill herself And that she doesn't when she said she didn't feel shame for anything She's done and the shock on their faces of how can you not feel ashamed? Well, if you got to know her even a little bit you might understand why she did what she did why she doesn't feel any Shame and one of my if not my favorite moments. It's it's right up there along with the I I love the intimacy. I love the love-making scene. They had pretty 1985 in India. Oh, it was great Wonderful and how how it looked so completely different from me and when when the husband Jumped on top of her. She was thinking about a song and then when she's with Raul She's fully engaged and vocalizing and then even when they're done the afterglow is still this I want to be with you. I want to touch you and Then at the very end it and I thought the whole time. She's dead She's gonna die we've even alluded to the fact of this other story of the woman who'd been widowed and went insane and She either was taken away or she died. I thought that was her end as well So I appreciated the ending I think is Incredibly well-written in terms of it doesn't end predictably because I was I was sure she was gonna be dead but the secondary thing was to have that moment with the younger generation standing in front of her and the plant and you left with Deciding how her story is gonna end because is her story going to end with her going to Raul? Or is her story going to end with her staying there and maybe engendering that to the next generation? Is she gonna? How does it end? I love that it was left. I can't go to Raul. He's a person of war. Well For now he may get out He's not dead. I paused that and then they didn't allude that he had gotten out or was dead, but he isn't dead Yeah, I guess so I guess yeah go save him I guess no, no, no, not necessarily save him, but he may get out. He may get out, but yeah I really appreciated the film. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed Aparna sends Riding and directing yeah, one directing as well wonderful I would love to see more of her in terms of a writer director and as an actor and Rocky Rocky Rocky Gulzar. I would love to watch more of her work Watch more for you should definitely remind me of Schwarzenegger a little bit wouldn't surprise me if Schwarzenegger liked her Yeah, a lot wouldn't surprise me if like that's like an actor. She looked up to mm-hmm Because how old is the Schwarzenegger? She your age or she a little? Yeah, Schwarzenegger and I are about the same age I think she's a few years younger than me. Where is where is both? Aparna and Rocky are about my dad's age. They're in their early They're in their 70s now. She just came out with a film. I Think it was last year and I remember hearing about it, but it was a very small film. It was called the rapist Yeah, I saw that in the credits and I remember hearing about that and it was last year So you guys would have and I think she wrote it and directed it the thing the thing that I'm most happy about among many things I'm happy about is I The more we can know about women Who've been directing film Way before Greta Gerwig or any of the other folks in our generation Because the first note that we know of the first known woman in the cinema is actually a French lady in the in the early 20th century and then the first American woman did it in the 1930s So a woman helming a film is a hundred years old You just don't hear enough about the films that those women did because they've never been given the respect Or the notoriety they deserve. I'm really happy to see that this was given notoriety and respect And I really India's been doing a lot. I really would this this for me needs to be in like I Have long it's this is the criteria for me at the conservatory in Texas when I said when we do plays I want to do the plays that we would want to put in a time capsule So that if somebody opened it up 250 years from now they would see what we felt was the most important stories to remember for all time and This for me in the world of cinema is one of the most important films in terms of not just the storytelling and the human condition It expresses. It's written and directed by a woman in 1985 in Bengal Yeah, it's a wonderful film the female helm film served a lot longer than Hollywood way longer and more prevalence And and as we've learned Very often touching upon topics that were not touched upon here in what's supposed to be the you know Yeah, the progressive capital of the world Anyways, let us know what you think about the film If you like it if you didn't like it what should be our next a partner Sen directing or Acting and and Rocky as well and anything what should be our next Bengali Film obviously whether it's such it right or like I said who never not getting away from such it right I would just we want to explore a little more Yeah, it's like then just watching American cinema and only watching Steven Spielberg It's great directors out there, but it's a great catalog great catalog, but there's other directors out there Anyways, let us know down below