 We're talking today about the debate about immigration policy in the United States, but we would like to ask you What about in Vietnam first of all? I have to say honestly my English is not so good to express My idea but in here of the immigration in Vietnam For example, I live I'm living in Ho Chi Minh City, which is a bigger city in Vietnam And sometimes some people who live in remote area. They want to come here to have a better life And that caused a lot of troubles for example about the place to live, to have the same and They try to find a good location and sometimes some social evil happened in here so The government have to do a lot of things to solve the problems. So Todd that immigration from some remote area to come in This bigger city to live There are some problems. I think there are a lot of problems more than the good things So what would what would you do if you were a policy maker? If you were or able to advise the government and Hanoi what to do What would you what do you think should be done about these problems you're talking about? Some people they try to be here to get a good job and have a good salary So I think beside this bigger city. We have to try to view some good University in some remote area and then whenever the Student they have retreated from that university We should have some policy to keep them to work there And if the student or some outstanding student they work there with a good salary For sure they can try the best to develop some remote area and we have more job for them to work And whatever they have a good job there. I Think people will try to leave in that place not try to move here anymore Well, Kate you've been covering immigration in in the US has this ever come up with this issue of You know Developing areas. Yeah, I mean I think that there are always kind of growing pains when a country experiences Either development or depression and so we've had the experience in the United States of smaller towns Losing jobs or industries and so people move out of those towns And the towns become sort of deserted and and those people move to the cities. So we experience the same You could call them growing pains, but the same stresses stresses on social services Kids that don't always get the right schooling because their their families aren't fully settled in a city and so Your experience in Vietnam is similar to that in many countries including our own Everyone seems to agree that our immigration system is broken. This is a word that's used a lot We have 11 million people who are in the United States illegally and the question is what do you do about them? Do you make them? Allow them to become citizens or do you send them away? What can you do? What do you think yeah, if your country had 11 million people who have lived in Brazil for many years But they didn't live there legally But have created lives and families in Brazil What do you think is the correct way to? Manage that situation in the U.S. Yeah Hard control in the body we've met Mexico met Mexico in the United States here, it's It's more common that people across the the border and because don't have control So what are people coming to Brazil for they're coming to work? Not necessary to work, but it's I live in for example in the border in between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina. It's it's more common and people across to To bring illegal things Work in the in the army. Yes, it's I see that the People across a lot of people across and here in Brazil don't have a specific control to to stop this world is that is I don't know Contrabanda here United States we have 18,500 border patrol agents on the border between the U.S. and Mexico and Actually the number of people coming over from Mexico has gone down But still there are people here in the United States that say we need more border patrol agents and so Right now the conversation is proposing to like double the presence there So it's interesting that you work in the military because it's That is a big part of not necessarily the military But the the protection of the border is a big part of this conversation Do you think that the people who are living here without legal permission should be given an opportunity to get People who have legal like me. It's a heart for God here, you know But people who isn't God when you get here So I the policy should be like, you know more more more yet than people who come like legal like for me I cannot be like next year gonna be applied for you as citizen