 Julie, are we good on your side? I feel very loud today. Yeah, it does sound good. Okay, I'm just, I won't do my normal, like, lean in. Okay, well, good evening. Welcome to the February 9th City Council meeting. Capitol City Council meeting. May we please have a roll call? Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. And if you'd all join in the Pledge of Allegiance. Agents to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, any additions or deletions on the agenda? And any additional materials? Thank you. All right. We can move on to oral communications. This allows time for members of the public to address the City Council on any consent items on tonight's agenda, or any topic that is not on the agenda. You'll have three minutes to speak. I don't see anybody in public. Okay, great. Thank you. So we can go to staff comments. I think our recreation division manager, Nikki Bryant, has a short update for everyone. Great. Good evening, Mayor Council members. At last council meeting, we had discussed the next beach cleanup. And so I wanted to let everybody know that we have identified February 19th as the next beach cleanup. Jerry Jensen as well, along with BIA representatives are helping to champion this cleanup. And it will be at 9 a.m. on that Sunday, following the benefit concert. This cleanup will focus on trash and we will not be doing any debris removal from the beach as it is assisting nature and the replenishment of the sand. So if you are available, we encourage you to come out. Thank you. Great. Thank you for organizing that. Anything else from staff? Okay. Any council comments? Just one little announcement about receiving the email about Mid County Senior Center having their Mardi Gras fundraiser on February 25th. Tickets are available at Eventbrite and at the center. It'll be dinner provided or cooked by our former mayor and chef Michael Termini. The little big band will be playing swing dance music. Sounds like a good time. They do a lot for us in the community. So it'd be nice to help them out with their fundraiser. They were closed for two years during the pandemic. So it'd be nice if we could help out. Great. Thank you. Okay. We can go on to the consent. All items listed as consent items will be enacted in one motion in the form it listed below. Public. No, we don't need to. No. Do we have a motion on the table for the consent? All motion to approve the consent agenda. All second. Great. That's a motion and a second for the consent. Maybe we have a roll call. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Passes unanimously. Thank you. So that can take us on to general government. We have items seven A. This is the prospect walking path repair and continued maintenance. The recommendation tonight is to provide the direction to staff on the repair continued maintenance and future use of the prospect walking path. We have Jessica. Good evening, Mayor and council members. Some storm damage to the pathway is necessitated this item in front of you this evening. A little background. The pathway on prospect is behind the homes. Adjacent to the RTC rail right of way. It consists of a quarter mile path and three stairways from 49th to Warth Road. And it's about three to five feet wide at its most narrow parts. And that's closest to Warth Road. There are three staircases. One is a woodblock stairway. One is a metal stairway. And another is a more substantial stairway. They're on the right that goes all the way down to Warth Road. That stairway was rebuilt by the city in 2006, including that railing there to keep people off of the railway. The other two stairways, though they have been maintained, have not been substantially reconstructed since the city has taken ownership. A little more background on the walking path. The city went into an agreement with then the Union Pacific Railroad in 2004 to maintain reconstruct the stairways and the connecting walking path. In 2006, the city reconstructed that stairway on Warth Road for about $30,000, which included some community donations. And then in 2012, the RTC acquired the railway. So now the agreement the city has is between the RTC and the city. So during these past winter storms, there's been some significant slip-outs on the Awakwe. There's two minor ones right there across from Opal Street. And then the largest one being about 1,300 square feet behind 1,400 and 1,410 Prospect Avenue. The red hatchings on this figure here also included in your agenda packet are encroachments. So that's between the parcel line and the Awakwe where people have have yards and in private improvements into the public RTC right away. Here's a close-up image of that larger 1,300 square foot slip-out. The city and staff has been in contact with the RTC. The RTC is the owner of this hillside as indicated that they would stabilize the slope but they would not repair it. So without a repair by the city, there would be no usable pathway on this area of the trail. So that brings us to our options before you tonight. The first one is to more or less abandon the pathway to approach the RTC to get out of the agreement which would require us per the agreement to remove the staircases and to restore the property to its original condition which is more or less the condition it is right now less that more significant stairway. RTC would again stabilize the slope failures but there would be no traversable pathway behind Prospect. The other two options are to repair the pathway either in place or further back into those private encroachments. So to repair to fail the failed slope to pre-storm conditions we would apply for FEMA funding which we have for many projects around the city so this would be included as one of those projects and then once we went through the federal design and bidding requirements which is a lengthy process as opposed to when we repair something with our own city funds then we could repair the walking path in place. Another potential option is to apply for hazard mitigation funds which is also a lengthy process with FEMA then it allows us to construct something better than what we had before. That would also require us to work with the RTC who has indicated that they are willing to work with the city in removing some of those encroachments so the walkway is further back in a more stable place and presumably there will be less slip-outs in the future. Both of those also require a right of entry with the RTC which is something that is standard but also is a part of the process. FEMA requires all of our public assistance funding for all of our projects so the wharf and other damages we've had to be put in priority order. I would say that this would be considering we have the wharf and some other more significant damages around the city this would be a lower priority project for city staff. And then here's that image again a little closer up with the slope failure on the oval there and the private encroachments which range to about eight to 12 feet into the RTC right away. So staff is seeking direction on the repair and continue maintenance of this pathway and I am able to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Any council questions? Can you tell me a little bit about and if there's like anything pressing if we were to go with option three and work with RTC and await FEMA funding is there anything pressing in terms of safety or impact on the residents in that area or anything like that? It doesn't threaten the homes that it's behind currently and it's not anticipated that it would except maybe the encroachment which we'd be trying to remove it wouldn't be passable so it would remain blocked off as it is now. And since you mentioned that this is a lower priority should we get the FEMA funding for it is there a chance that we wouldn't get enough and if so what's the plan after that would it be some of the other but we just go back to option two or option one at that time? So chances are that we would get enough funding it would just be a lengthy process. I will say for the option two that the limit of FEMA funding is 18 months from the emergency so by low priority I do mean after other projects we did but it would be within 18 months per the FEMA guidelines. Okay, thank you. I had a question just about how much it is gonna cost and if we don't do anything now do we need to worry about closing it as it's a hazard or are we gonna leave it as it is? It is blocked off right now and the repair for both to remove the encroachment or to not would be approximately $50,000. That's including the fact that it has to be a federally bid project and it's the reimbursement by FEMA I think the city ends up paying about 12% of that. Is this path or the stairs required to be ADA accessible? So it is required to be ADA acceptable for a rural foot path which really just requires it to be a certain width. At the nearest point it can be three feet which it is it's mostly five feet down the path. It also requires it to be like a stable surface which besides the part that's obviously damaged it is. So the photo actually right there with the tarping and everything is this the RTC's version of stabilization or? No. Thanks. Okay, I just wanted to make sure. And so yeah, I wonder too, do you feel like if we close off the pathway having that significant staircase that we've had for a while is that going to sort of I don't know just sort of people are gonna want to use that but would we close it off at the bottom of the stairs or we'd be required to remove it. Oh, remove the one by the trestle. Yes, gotcha. Okay, thank you. All right, do we have any public comment? Any council comment, deliberation? I have some thoughts. Yes, please. Okay, so I have a couple thoughts on this. I like option three about moving it back in the long term because I feel like that's gonna be the safer way to do it. My concern about moving forward with that option right now is can you go back to the picture that shows the encroachments? Those encroachments are actually backyards. Those are people's backyards right now. So you can kind of see there's a pool or a hot tub or something there. And I think that's gonna be a lot more difficult process to get into that space to build a path right there than just asking the RTC for help because it's technically RTC property. So technically that's encroaching into RTC property. However, because of the whole rail trail process that they're going through, I have a feeling that eventually RTC is going to get that encroachment anyways or get that space back anyways. And so my thought is we had the resiliency fund that we put together during COVID. And even if it would be a low priority within 18 month project, that we could take the $50,000 from the resiliency fund which would then be reimbursed from FEMA funding, rebuild the path where it is now and then should the RTC later come through to build their path along this rail trail situation on their property, potentially see if they wanna move our path that would be on the property we now have rights on, onto essentially their path and make it further away from the cliff that has just failed. So that's my thoughts about it right now just for the sake of conversation. So at that point, if they did come back to take back the encroachments, you think maybe the trail would just be widened and we would just keep it? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if the trail would be, I mean, it's technically their property, but I mean, it's possible the trail would be widened or moved up. Yeah, it just seems a little bit like a hard fight, a hard battle for us to fight to get these into this space when the RTC might be doing it themselves. Great. But again, just for the sake of conversation. And it sounds like option three is gonna get us the best trail and cost the city the less. Is that correct? Overall costs for option two and three would be about the same. It's just the process of the encroachments which isn't a direct cost to the city but would be staff time to work with the RTC to address it. I have a quick question, that's okay. Yeah. So should we, the city, repair the walking path that's in place, apply for FEMA funding to reimburse ourselves for that and await for the RTC to relocate the walking path when they eventually get to the encroachment process for those properties? Do you have any sense of the timeline for that? Like how long? Have we, do you have any idea of sound? That's usually a very long process. So we could be waiting years for that process as my assumption. So if we do that and we await for the relocation or for the RTC to deal with that piece of it, what are we missing? So our path would just be minimal or it would just be the small little one that we have. Are we still to Council Member Peterson's point? Like are we still ADA compliant? We're just kind of going back to status quo. Is that safe to assume? Yes. Okay. I think the one thing that we would be potentially open to is that it could slide again next year. With the path where it is right now, it's just very susceptible to be slip out. If it could move back, it'd be more resilient but it would be just basically taking us back to the situation that we had before the storm. Okay. And the funds that Council Member Brown, Vice Mayor Brown suggested, those aren't restricted dollars and we can easily replenish that once we get the FEMA money. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. It's a general fund. Okay. I think I've got what I need. Yeah. I have a question. Is there any way to make the path more permanent or more secure against heavy rains without dealing with the moving into the encroachments? Like, is there a way that we could just spend a little bit more money to make it more permanent where it is? A little bit more, no. You can always build a retaining wall and that would have to be with the RTCs for my permission. But that would be the only way without moving it back into the encroachment to make it more stable. Maybe abundantly obvious. I'll just say that that's probably an order of magnitude. Oh, yes, yes. So if we're talking about a $50,000 project, we're probably talking about a... $250. $250,000 retaining wall? Yeah. I thought it was gonna go $500. Okay, I guess it brings me to another question as well. So if, regardless of, say, we're choosing either between two and three, they're also both similar timelines or... I'm sorry, I missed the beginning of your question. No, that's okay. I was not speaking very eloquently. Between option two and three, they're around the same cost and around the same timeframe or... It would be around the same cost. The timeframe to deal with the encroachments would presumably be more. I will say that the RTC is going out on encroachments on their property right now in regards to the rail trail. So I do know they have a team dealing with those items specifically, but that is also specifically for the rail trail. Okay, thank you. I'm prepared to make a motion. Sure. So I'd like to make a motion that the city move forward using our resilience dollars to repair the walking path that's in place and to apply for the FEMA reimbursement dollars, as noted in your presentation this evening. And as we await for the RTC to determine the relocation outcomes for the inland walking path in their own timeline. I'll second. Great, we have a second. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi, thank you. Passes unanimously. Okay. Up next, we have item 7B, which I'm actually going to recuse myself from as my employer, Paradise Beach Grill. We may be eligible for funds or maybe open during this time, which would result in conflict of interest. So I will turn it over to Vice Mayor Brown. Give the mayor a second. All right, we're moving on to item 7B, which is a storm update and general special event permit for a Capitola Village Benefit Concert. Our recommended action is to receive the update regarding the 2022-2023 winter storm event and approve a general special event permit for a Capitola Village Benefit Concert, including an encroachment permit and amplified sound permit. And I'll turn it over to staff. Okay, I'm using this portable mic. All right, so I'm gonna kick this one off and then Chief Daly will take it over. Get to the first slide, please. I think you guys are all aware that in early January of this year, we ultimately declared a disaster based on the storm damage that we sustained on January 5th. Since that time, we have expanded on our list of dignitary visits. Yesterday, we received a visit from the Lieutenant Governor who came and toured the village and met some of our local businesses. We had the beach cleanup that was done on the 22nd. And then we've opened the small business recovery here at City Hall. It's been serving our businesses both in Capitola as well as regionally, helping them get the services and the recovery dollars that they're entitled to. And then we've also partnered with the Community Foundation who's helped develop a fundraising effort to help support those affected by the storms. Next slide, please. So just some quick updates from different departments. Our public work staff with the wharf engineers and also partnered with the harbor staff took a boat out to the wharf to tour the site. The damage was pretty much as expected. The good news is that the buildings were not significantly damaged. They're obviously getting pretty long in the tooth, but they weren't significantly damaged in the storm event. So there wasn't any major surprises in the site visit. Public work staff has completed emergency repairs to the Riverview path. The path is now traversable and it was $46,000 for the temporary repair. And that'll be part of the FEMA reimbursement submittal that we have. We've also been working with the property owners who actually own the path along the Riverview corridor and have helped secure donated decomposed granite to replenish the decomposed granite for the path. And then obviously, as you just heard this evening, the staff is working frantically on all the other storm damage and developing the plans and the process by which we will be repairing each one. Next slide, please. So from the community development department, pizza my heart opened up. On the fourth, Margaritaville opened, I think it was last week, maybe this weekend. Paradise, I understand, is gonna be opening within the week. And then Zelda's went to the planning commission to get some feedback about replacement window options for their back windows that face the ocean. Mostly because the building is actually, interestingly, I didn't know this before this, but it's listed as historic. So there were some concern about whether they could just replace like for like or do something. I think they were looking to maybe upgrade the situation a little bit. Next slide, please. From the financial side, we've submitted our initial estimate of public damage, which is the 2.625 figure, $2,625,000. We've actually gotten updated numbers for the wharf and interestingly, our first figure, which was a million dollars, looks like it was remarkably close. I think the engineer's estimate for the wharf damage is 960 or 950, somewhere in that range. So looks like we're pretty close on that figure. And then there's the big FEMA coordination meeting that's taking place next week on the 15th, where we're gonna be getting more feedback and information. We've also submitted our claim, initial insurance claim to our adjusters with $2.5 million in damages. We also will be submitting for what's called business interruption insurance, which is when the city has lost revenue due to covered events. That would be things like the parking meters in the downtown, in the village, and the rents that we receive off the wharf. And the adjusters at this point are working on it and we'll be hearing back from them. So just a real quick explanation. Essentially the way this works is the insurance will be in first position. So we will do our best to get an insurance rebate and then what insurance doesn't cover will be part of our FEMA claim. Next slide please. So looking ahead, Nikki Bryant mentioned the next beach cleanup on February 19th at 9 a.m. that Jerry Jensen is coordinating along with help from the BIA. We are also planning an update for council about the wharf. I know everyone has so many questions about what's gonna happen and you've heard me talk about the goal of trying to have it open a year from the damages, which would be 11 months from now I guess. So we're gonna talk a little bit about that and what the different options look like next meeting. And then there's a potential benefit concert that we are in front of you this evening to seek approval of the special event permit and Chief Daly will cover that. Great, good evening everyone. And so as we kind of follow through the next steps, actually shortly after that first cleanup, there was just a lot of talk about what's the next thing that we could do. And there was this like mention around the community of doing some sort of benefit concert. And so it was really apparent that a lot of people in the community really wanted to step up and help with this. And so I know for a fact that Andy Hewitt from Botanial Arms had the idea of maybe doing a benefit concert. And so he reached out to a friend of his who was Eric Kelso with Sierra Nevada to bring the beer idea of a beer concert. And so what we did is we started getting together like a good leadership team and Mary Beth with the BIA, we reached out to the BIA, the chamber and everyone was real supportive of it. The leadership from our recreation department really stepped up. And so the idea of this benefit concert and I'll kind of move to the next one is beyond the flood benefit concert. And so Mary Beth submitted an application for a special general special event. The benefit concert is modeled after the twilight concerts essentially down the Esplanade. And so they applied for a new general special event permit in order to do that, it has to come before council for approval. And that's why we're here tonight. So essentially this one day special event permit, if you look at the map up on the screen there kind of orientate yourself, the beach would be down on the lower end of the screen and then that upper parking lot is the Swenson parking lot. Similar to the Wednesday night concerts that the stage area would be where the performance occurs, but what we're doing is we're expanding the profile of the event and extending out a little bit. So if you look at in front of Pertania Arms there'll be like a road closure there. And then we're also closing off the entrance to the palm trees there. And what we'll do if approved is that that would be the venue area. Alcohol would not be allowed outside the venue area. Sierra Nevada, like I said has donated all the beer and the beer truck with 100% of the proceeds going back to the people that were affected by the flooding. The anticipated attendance is between 1,000 to 2,000 people. Like I said, Mary Beth and the chamber and the BIA were supportive of the beer garden. They've done all the organizing as far as selling the tickets. Essentially like kind of like the art and wine where they'll do a wristband check and then they purchase the tickets, the tickets then they go to buy the beer and then all the proceeds go to the victims of the flood. We're gonna add additional hygiene stations and then trash and recycling. And then the Swenson, the lot up there, they're agreeing to allow us to use that area for the bands so they can set up, we'll have recycling there and then they can access the stage from that back area. So the idea is to do a benefit concert. It'd be Saturday, February 18th, which is President's Day weekend, which is not this weekend, but the next weekend. The idea is to have an event from noon to 6 p.m. And it would start with the Jive Machine, which is a band, a local band here, and then followed by Alex Lucero. And then the final act would be the Joint Chiefs with Tony Lindsay, which is apparently a singer from Santana. And like I said, Sierra Nevada Brewery is the one that donated all the beer truck and the beer, and then all the proceeds will be returned to the Community Foundation of Santa Cruz County. And with that, I'm open to any other questions. Actually, if I could back up, we're really trying to encourage, back up to this, the bike, we have a bike corral at the entrance here, right by the, on the Esplanade there. So we're really encouraging people to bike down, we'll have a bike corral there. And then David Ling also offered their parking lot. So they're gonna be partnered with David Ling. And then I think Harbor High is gonna staff that is doing a like a valet bike parking lot there as well. So with that, if you have any questions, I'm here. Any questions? No questions. All right, public comment. Come on up. Good evening, council members. I'd like to add one thing to the menu over here. Congressman Jimmy Panetta will be here for the concert between two and four PM that day. So I hope that helps with what we're doing. And so I'll just invite the congressman and he said, yes, so thank you. Thank you. Got some dignitaries at our concert. Any further public comment? Seeing none, we'll bring it back to council. Any comments? Well, one of the comments I have is this is probably gonna be a great thing for the community. Fortunately, we have lots of practice with our Winstonite concerts. I like the idea of the bike rack down with David Ling to have less people riding bikes through a congested area. So that's a really good idea. Just wondering what the costs with your overtime officers. Do you have a budget that's coming from anywhere or do you anticipate having overtime? So we are gonna staff it with a couple of uniformed folks. And so that would just be a regular rate that they incur. But it's a city sponsorship. Thank you. All right. Any other comments, questions? I'll just say, yeah, I'm really excited about the idea for this concert. Everyone loves some live music and supporting our city. And yes, thank you to Vicki at David Ling. She reached out to offer that parking lot for the bike valet. And the more we can get people out of their cars and walking into the village or biking into the village, the better. So it's all the better for this exciting concert. With that, no further comments. I think we'll entertain a motion. Anyone have any? I'd like to make a motion. What would your motion be? The motion would be to move to have this great concert here in Capital One. All right. So are you moving to approve the permit and the encroachment permit and the amplified sound permit? Yes. Alrighty, we have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second with an amendment to your motion if you would accept that we also waive the fees associated with the permits that we, the city requires. Would you accept my motion? Thank you. All right. We have a motion and a second. Do we have a roll call vote, please? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Passes unanimously. All right, let's get ready to rock. And let's bring the mayor back in. Responsibly. Let's get ready to rock responsibly. And thanks, Neil, for all your work. You can put it out there. Thank you. It's much easier to do that on Zoom. Okay. So we will move on down to item seven C. It is our citywide housing element. Recommended action is to receive the presentation, introducing the housing element update, provide feedback regarding the planned update process. And we have Katie. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and council. Tonight I'm going to give you an update on the housing element. We have two panelists through Zoom. First I'd like to introduce Veronica Tam of Veronica Tam and Associates as well as Brett Stinson of RRM Design. Good evening. Welcome, Brett. So this evening, first I just want to say we have our work cut out for us. As you know, with the housing element update, we've been assigned over 1300 new units to locate in the city of Capitola. This will probably be one of the biggest lifts that I as the community development director has ever taken on within any community. So we've got our work cut out for us. It will be a heavy lift, but I'm glad we have a fantastic team. Veronica is the housing expert on the team and she has a record of success with the state housing and community development, HCD. So we've got a great team and thank you for being here tonight. And Veronica with that, I'll hand over the present. You can share your slideshow and begin your presentation. Thank you. Great, thank you. I'm just going to double check so everybody can see the PowerPoint presentation. Okay, great. Thank you for having me. And as Katie mentioned, this is going to be one of the most critical projects you're going to undertake in this particular year. The housing element, I just want to go through very quickly tonight. What is that? Why we're doing what we're doing? And really focus on the most critical components of the housing element of each housing needs allocation and how to achieve that. Veronica, your mic seems to go in and out. So I'm not sure if it's moving, but... Oh, I think it's because I'm leaning forward and maybe sometimes like sitting back. So is this better right now? That sounds much better. Thank you. Okay. The housing element is part of your general plan. It is one of the seven required elements of your general plan and it has some really specific statutory requirements in terms of looking at the needs of your community, not only your current needs, but also project the housing needs into the future. It's a little different from the rest of the general plan in that it has to be updated every eight years with a straight statutory deadline. For us in the MBAC region, it is December 31st, 2023. It's also different from the rest of the general plan in that it has to be reviewed by a state agency for compliance of state law. The agency responsible for this is the housing development... State Department of Housing and Community Development, HCD. You will be hearing about HCD quite often throughout this year. When we update the housing element, it's very important that we do community outreach and make sure that we obtain input from the community regarding needs and also policies. We also need to have the housing element, as I mentioned before, reviewed by the state agency. The HCD review of the housing element takes place in two stages, one at the draft level and then at the adopted level. After you have the housing element that's adopted and also certified by the state for compliance with state law, we move on to implementation over the next eight years. As I mentioned before, the housing element has really strict requirements for contents. We need to look at the needs. We need to make sure we take community outreach seriously. And we also need to look at the constraints and opportunities you have. We also need to look at what worked in the past and what can be modified into the future. And all of that really results in the housing action plan that you will be held accountable for over the next eight years. When we send the housing element to the state for review as required by state law, the one thing that we're trying to achieve is something called finding a substantial compliance with state law. And with that finding a substantial compliance in the event of a lawsuit, you will be presumed to have a legally adequate housing element. And so it would be up to whoever suing the city to prove the other one, to approve the other one. You also have the ability to apply for state funds, particularly housing and transportation funds without a compliant housing element. You are even not eligible or you're marked down in terms of being competitive, your competitiveness in the application. The housing element, if you have to accommodate your regional housing needs or allocation, just like Kate mentioned, it's almost 1500 units. If you're unable to accommodate that from a land use perspective, then whatever you are not able to accommodate is rolled over to the next cycle. Now, the regional housing needs allocation, I'll go into that a little bit further later, but it is not a requirement to build the housing units. It's a planning goal. It's not a production obligation. It's a planning goal in relation to your capacity for accommodating the units. So the other thing that is important when you get the housing element in compliance with state law is you avoid the rezoning limitation. If we're able to get the housing element certified by the state within 120 days of the statutory deadline, then you do have three years to complete your rezoning. But if you're unable to get the certification within that timeframe, then you'll only get one year to do any kind of rezoning for capacity if you're required to do that. But again, we'll go into a little bit more further on that. There are also removocations if you have to do rezoning past the statutory deadline. We'll go into that a little bit further. With that housing element compliance state law, you're more at risk of being sued by the housing element. The housing element is the most frequently litigated element of the entire general plan. And the state law has changed that anybody with an interest in housing can bring a law against the jurisdiction. If you are in a situation where you're being sued by a nonprofit developer, a private resident or a state agency, the court has the ability to suspend your authority to issue building permits. And this is not just housing building permits. This is any building permit. There is also a very, a kind of provision of the government told that this street term is a builder's remedy. If you do not have a compliant housing element, that particular provision of government code would not, means that you will not be able to deny an affordable housing project based on inconsistency with the city's general plan and zoning. This is a 30-year-old provision that hasn't been used in the last 30-something years, but I'm not, I'm not servicing right now. The regional housing needs allocation or regional housing needs assessment, it's a top-down process. It starts with the state, HCD projecting how much growth in the entire state and allocating it in the seven regions. In the state, UMBAC is the three-county region. UMBAC gets about 33,000 units and each county and each jurisdiction gets an allocation. So in Capitola, our number is 1,336 units. You'll see that it's much higher than what you are accustomed to in previous cycles of the housing element. In the fifth cycle housing element, your allocation was only 143 units. The sixth cycle is 1,106. There are a few reasons why your numbers are so high. One of these, the sixth cycle housing element, Vienna was conducted at the peak of the housing market, whereas the fifth cycle housing element, the Vienna projection was conducted during the inclusion of the housing market. There are also new state laws that were passed in 2016, 17, and 18. Those all change how the Vienna is calculated. Specifically, it adds on to not only a projection for future growth, but it makes also jurisdictions responsible for the lack of housing production in the previous 20 years. And that about 60% or 67% of the arena for this new sixth cycle comes from the fact that there hasn't been a projection in the last six years, the last 20 years. So moving forward, that we want to talk about just identifying the sites for the arena. There are really critical reasons that you need to know in this sense. We need to be specific. We need to have sites that are available and suitable ones. Then we need to make sure that the sites are consistent with the overall vision of the community. We do have the ability to look at different types of opportunities like redevelopment of existing properties, accessory dwelling units, and also state-owned properties and also some other educational and religious institutions. As I mentioned, that's been a lot of new state law in recent years. And some of that will really impact the way that you are looking for, that you're looking at how to achieve the region housing needs allocation. One important change in state law is something called known net loss, SB 166. It really requires you, in previous cycles, when you look at the sites inventory and your ability to meet the arena, it's a one-shot deal when you're dealing, when you're updating the housing element. SB 166 changed all that, that you have to have a capacity, enough capacity to be able to meet your arena throughout the eight-year planning period of the housing element. So when sites are developed with fewer units than we assumed in the housing element, or they're developed with fewer affordable units than expected in the housing element, you are required to make sure that you have remaining capacity for your remaining arena. Because of this known net loss requirement, you have to, it's a recommendation that you buffer your site's capacity, identify enough sites for at least 15 or 30% above your arena. Otherwise, you may be engaged in rezoning and upzoning continuously as you run into a situation where you have a net loss in capacity to the extent that you would not be able to meet your arena. There are also new state laws that allows you to look at sites that might not be opportunity site in the past. One is AB 1851. This is congressional and religious institution properties. You do not have to replace or the property can partner with a nonprofit organization and put housing on site either on their extra parking surface, parking area, unused area, or we build part of their existing properties, but they do not have to replace the parking on site up to 50% of the parking loss. The other new piece of legislation that just got passed last year is 2295. That allows housing to be provided on educational or institutional sites for their employees, such as school districts or community colleges or maybe even hospitals, they can provide housing on site without requiring rezoning of the properties. Later on, Katie is going to go over some of the site strategies, but something that we wanted to talk about is definitely ADUs. It is a potential affordable housing or more affordable housing opportunities in communities like Capitola. We do have the ability to look at the historical trends of ADU construction in the city and then projecting to the future how many you can get in the future. One thing that I mentioned before is the institutional properties and providing housing on it. This is something that has become a very popular trend as a lot of churches or religious institutions are going online and they don't need that much physical space anymore. An example of this is Garland Grove is working with the United Methodist Church as taking the site of the parking area and building 47 affordable units for seniors and families. And in exchange, the church actually get in community center offices and also have some other nonprofit organizations to be on site. So when we look at the site inventory, when we try to find sites for your region housing needs allocation, there is something called a default density. For a community your size, what the 20 units to the acre is considered to be zoning that is adequate to facilitate lower income housing. Now at 20 units to the acres, it doesn't mean that you're building housing at markets going to be affordable. It means that at 20 units to the acre, the density is feasible so that the amount of subsidies would be reasonable for an affordable housing project to be financially feasible but to be competitive for funding at the state or federal level. So 20 units to the acre is the quote unquote magic number we're looking for if when we're looking for sites that are feasible for lower income arena. Within your current zoning districts, there are a couple of places where we can look at it, certainly mobile home parks, but we don't know if there are a lot of new mobile home parks going to be developing may not actually work. In your mixed use village and neighborhood and also community commercial zoning districts, it doesn't have a maximum density but what we need to do though in identifying sites in those areas and capacity in those areas is to demonstrate what is the average density that have been achieved or achievable within those districts. So even though it may not have established a maximum density in estimating potential capacity, we're not allowed to just assume any number. We have to use historical development trends. So some of the areas that currently at 20 units to the acre would be the affordable housing overlay and the village residential overlay. This is because there are some really new changes to state law and critical deadlines that we have to deal with when it comes to the rezoning. Most likely we will have to do some rezoning in order to meet your 1400 or so units of arena. The statutory deadline of the housing element is December 31st, 2023. If we are able to do all the rezoning before this statutory deadline, then the housing element is, it doesn't have to include a rezoned program to do the rezoning later on. Now, if you're able to do that, there are some advantages in order for the rezoning to occur before the statutory deadline. I mentioned before there's a default density. If you are able to do the rezoning, the default density is the maximum density of that zone to be 20 units to the acre. Now, if we cannot do the rezoning before the statutory deadline, the state laws as well, the minimum density of that zone is also 20 units to the acre because you cannot have a zone that has the minimum density the same as your maximum density. You have to push up the maximum density to beyond 20 units to the acre and give it a range maybe at 24 or 25 units to the acre. So if we are able to do the rezoning before the end of this year, the zone that would be considered feasible for lower income can be zero to 20 units to the acre. If we cannot complete the rezoning before the end of the year and have to push beyond next year or beyond the two next year, then the zone that is considered to be feasible for lower income has to be 20 to 24, 25 units to the acre. So that's the difference and it's important. And another thing that is a requirement is if we have to do the rezoning next year, then each site you identify has to be large enough to accommodate at least 16 units. And the third thing is, if you have to do the rezoning, if you have to complete the rezoning next year, then every zone that you rezoned, if they include every property that you rezoning, if they include 20% of the units as lower income housing, then the project has to be permitted by right without discretionary review and without SQL. So these are all the important things that we have to keep in mind about how much, to what extent you want to really try the hardest you can to get this rezoning done by the end of the year. So there are also other requirements because most likely we are going to rely on mixed use properties for your arena. If rezoning happens after the statutory deadline, then, and you rely more than 50% of your lower income arena on mixed use properties. Then the mixed use properties have to allow for standalone residential. And if a mixed use project does go into those areas, no more than 50% of the floor area can be non-residential. So you cannot require a mixed use property project to have more than 50% of the floor area. So all of these gives you really important reasons to think about how you're going to pursue the rezoning, the timing of your rezoning, how much effort and resources you're gonna allocate Kate to stop in the next few months. Just one thing that Katie wants to remind everybody that rezoning requires a six months review period for local adoption and certification by the Coastal Commission. So that adds a wrinkle to the overall timeline. So some of the potential housing sites areas, Katie is gonna talk about that, but I'm gonna actually pass it over to Katie. Thank you. So just to oversimplify that last, the rezoning, it's very important that not only do we update our housing element this year, but that we rezone to meet our numbers. Otherwise, we're subject to a lot of other state regulations that I don't think our public would be too, our residents would be too happy about. So by, it would have to be adopted by December, but it needs a six months review period. So we need to rezone by June. Yeah, the six months was me estimating like from the time we write the ordinance to the time it gets certified by the Coastal Commission, like best case scenario. So it's really, it's gonna happen fast. That's really more like May. Yeah, it's gonna be soon. It'll be soon, we'll have it in front of you soon. So anyway, just quickly, potential housing opportunity sites in our general plan when it was updated as well as when we updated our zoning code, we've added mixed use all along our 41st Avenue corridor. Whenever we've had stakeholder meetings already, we have a survey that's on our website. What we're hearing is let's go, let's go vertical in along our commercial corridor. And so what we'll be looking at is both North of Capitola Road and South of Capitola Road and seeing under the current zoning, what can it handle in terms of mixed use at this point to go vertical and figure out what that, for the overall zoning, what would work. Next slide please. One item I do wanna bring up is the Capitola Mall. We've got a lot of public comment on let's put it all on the mall. There's really a balance to be made there. So we are very interested in mall redevelopment and in order to have the mall and the partners within the mall come forward, the answer is not to put all your affordable units on the mall, we can't put that burden on them. So just we will be strategic in when we're looking at the mall site and assigning units. Yes, it's a great place to go vertical and have a mix of housing, but it would not be appropriate to be overly burdensome as our mall is in desperate need of redevelopment. So next slide please. So housing site opportunity examples. Veronica had put this together, it's a 1.5 acre site, it's where Dharma's is. It's in the community commercial zone. Right now there's no, there's no max in terms of density so really it would be up to how meeting the height limit and the parking, it is within the coastal zone. Veronica's team, I think Brett put this together, ran the numbers on what could fit on this site and came up with possibly up to 31 units at 30 dwelling units per acre. So just one example, another real example that you can look at is the Capitola Beach Suites right by on 41st Avenue, it's one of the last properties in Capitola, you're going towards Pleasure Point right over the rail. That's I think 28 units per acre is what you see there and it also has commercial so it's a mixed use. Next slide please. So public outreach, as I said, right now we currently have an online housing needs survey going on. We conducted stakeholder interviews back in November. We have to provide public outreach per state code which we'll be following and making sure we follow the timelines that are required in state code. And then the planning commission, similar to our meeting tonight, had their first work session on this in February. Continuing the public outreach is the Sea of Evenings meeting next week. On February 16th, we're going to do a community workshop. We have flyers around town, a mass email went out inviting, I sent that to you all right before the meeting so you know what the public got. Then we'll have another community workshop in the future and then public review of the draft housing element that has a requirement to be out to the public for I think Veronica said 30 days and then we have two weeks in which a response time to respond to all comments. And then after that adoption hearings. So next slide please. So public outreach, as I stated, we've got our flyer around town and we've got the virtual meetings that's 6.30 to 7.30 next Thursday. And it's on our webpage when you go to the city of Capitola. Next slide. And then next steps is to proceed with the site inventory analysis. We're talking about bringing that back to you probably within a month, month and a half. Draft housing element update, we'll publish that in probably late March, early April. Then the 30 day public review period and 15 days for the city to respond. The HCD gets 90 days. So to review our drafts. So we're thinking that will happen from over the summer months. And then when we get back from our summer break, we will jump into the public hearings for adoption. So and running simultaneously with that will be the update to the zoning, the re-zones. So next slide please. And I just said that's the other part of this. Next slide. So with that, thank you. Thank you Veronica and Brett and we're available for questions. Thank you. That was a lot to take. Council questions. Yes. So Katie, help for everyone listening and watching and in the audience today. Put it in perspective. So we're gonna identify 1,336 potential spots to develop on by December 31st. Fingers crossed if council, if we get that far. And then we have eight years to do what. So what happens once we identify these spots for development and what's the role of the council? How do we ensure that these are built in the eight year timeline? Can you offer some perspective on that? Great question. So our obligation is really to plan for the 1,300 sites and then it's up to the property owners whether or not to come in and develop those sites. So we've got a zone for it and make sure that we have capacity in the city. The other important part of this is it won't be just the 1,300 sites. We're going to ask that we get to a number that's a lot higher because if a developer comes in and they don't meet the numbers that we've attached to their site. So if you have a developer that we said we want to have 20 units on that site and they come in and they say, well, we want to build four. Then if we have an abundance of sites in our inventory, we can make findings that it's okay to just make four because we have zoned for a much higher number. I'm gonna let them help with the sound real quick because it's echoing. And then I'm gonna just like if there's some weird. I was gonna suggest maybe we take a quick little break. Something just happened very weird to zoom. So I think we're gonna try to see if we can. I didn't even see that behind me. Yeah, it was interesting when it happened. It looked a little bit like a Star Wars episode. Are we still connected with that old like Microsoft screensaver from like the 90s? Yeah. Yeah. You'll be able to hear all of that. Yeah. How do we go back to zoom though? Oh, here, right? Weird. So I'm gonna say no to that. Does it look like that on Zoom or is it just our? We're not doing that. Oh, stop sharing. Veronica, can you turn off? Oh, she doesn't have her share screen. Hit share screen here. Yeah, I don't have my share screen. It's trying to share. It's going back. It's sharing itself is what it's doing. What if you share the power? Try sharing now. Yeah, press share. Just just okay. What if you share just the PowerPoint and not the screen? There we go. I'll try stopping share. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. So we don't need to see Veronica. Okay. We just need to be able to hear her. So I don't know what people at home can say. The light show. We don't need to be, this computer doesn't need to be in Zoom though. Because Veronica, so let's just, I'm just gonna end this. And if that ruins it, that's on me. But we should still be able to, you can get to the slides if you need to. Did we just end the Zoom for everybody here? Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Thank you for. Good. Oh, that Jamie really wanted to talk about the sites. I'm sure. Maybe we had some great ideas there. So, so we don't need to know. There's no obligation to build. It's just that we have to plan. Now, but it's a requirement of the state, right? And so we have until 2031 to what essentially? Essentially make sure that our essentially make sure that our zoning map and our zoning ordinance can allow for those sites to be developed. Okay. And then it's up to planning commission and council to approve the projects that they come in, following all the new laws and things that have passed. Correct. Okay. I just wanted to offer that information to offer some perspective. Thank you, Katie. Thank you. I have some questions about the outreach. So you said there was email sent out and these flyers. I'm curious, how many people were the emails sent out to? So I sent emails to everyone on our like boards and commissions and any, we've been on our website. We've had a link that if you're interested, please email. They'd send emails to me. So I've been creating a list. Okay. And hundreds maybe. Yeah, a hundred at least went out. And what about these flyers? Where are they being posted and how many? There, there's about maybe 75 at the library. Nikki has some at the rec center and then we have them upstairs. Are you using social media to promote this as well? Yes. And I'll be, I've, I think Chloe will be helping me with the social media piece of that. And in that same vein, you said there were stakeholder interviews in November. I'm curious who those stakeholders were. The people, where you found them? Yeah, there were, I wanna say seven stakeholder groups. One was large employers, others, large business owners. So large employers would be like the school's, school system, school district was there. County, yeah. I mean, the school district's more county wide, but it really has a focus of, we had the Soquel Elementary School District present because they're within Capitola for New Brighton Middle School. So we also had local resident, a local resident group. We had a housing like activists group. We had a nonprofits who are focused on housing group. We had an internal staff group because our had a lot of questions for us. And we really looked at like what hurdles exist in Capitola and what they think needs to be addressed in this next housing element within that group, those groups. Yeah. We had a design group, like architects. I wanted to ask too, do you have like demographics or any sort of information about people who are submitting the survey or partaking, taking part in these groups? Like I'm just curious, like how many age, gender, income, renters versus owners? Because I think it would be really important to ensure that we're getting a fair representation of the residents when we're taking that as community input. Yes, I believe at the beginning of the survey, it asks whether or not you're a resident or an employee in Capitola or what your relationship is. And even if you're a visitor, just visit Capitola. I'm not sure if we have, and I think it does ask renter owns, we get into the housing dynamic if they do live here. And then also, but I'm not sure about the age. Thank you. You're welcome. I had a question about the numbers. It was interesting that Scotts Valley had a lower number than Capitola. And I find that interesting because Scotts Valley is a lot more land and when we have a lot less land. And it simply said that if we meet the mandate, we don't have to see it through other projects through that's going to depend upon the developers. I wanted to put that out there. Yeah, so Capitola is an area. We have really high number when the HCD is assigning or in their guidance and it really, it comes down to the ambag meetings at the regional ambag meetings. That's where we look at the formula for how the units will be distributed. And in that formula, there's new items that we need to look at. And because it would seem practical that you would look at land area and understand how land area impacts future housing. And we've got, I think when I first got here, we said we had 12 vacant lots and now I think it's less than six. So we're land, we don't have much opportunity in terms of vacant land. But the state when they're assigning these numbers, they really believe that density belongs, more density belongs in areas that already have density. So your cities should get more dense. And so that's why you're seeing our number go up. And then also where we've got a lot of, or I'm trying to think of the term they use at the HCD, but we have a lot of benefits to our residents here. We've got great schools, we've got parks, we've got a lot of great wonderful library, a lot of benefits to the community. That's another item that when they're doing the analysis they put more units in areas in which people that need housing can flourish and be in a great school system and have access to a wonderful library. So those are some parts of it. And then also the racial makeup of Capitola. It's not as diverse. So that's another thing that's looked at is to create more opportunities under fair housing. And so really it was really interesting going through the process this year and the laws have changed significantly since the last go around. And also the numbers that came down at the state level were much higher than the last go around. So the places we zoned for the last housing cycle because we didn't, those weren't developed, right? They're not all of them. A large percent of them weren't actually developed. Do the places we need to zone for, plan for for this housing cycle, are those completely unique from the last housing cycle or do we include some of the ones that weren't actually developed in the last housing cycle? Does that make sense? Yeah, Veronica, do you want to comment on the new law for? Yeah, certainly. There's been a lot of changes in state law and you can reuse the sites. So if you have rezoned it or identified it in the previous housing element cycle and nothing happened on it, you can reuse the sites. Now the only problem also, it's not a problem but you don't have a lot of choices. So if you don't want to resume a lot of sites, reusing sites that are feasible also subject to the by right without discretionary review if 20% of the units are affordable for lower income. So we don't pass the statutory deadline with subject to that. We're using sites that you have previously used before we'll subject, it will be subject to that. There are also higher standards of what constitute sites. And so some of the sites we identify in the past may not be usable because of the size. State law says a parcel or site that is less than half an acre or is larger than 10 acre are not feasible sites for lower income housing for your low income arena. So some of, I'm just, I don't know enough about your sites inventory at this time but I would imagine that some of your sites in the last cycle were small sites. So then they can be reused for other income category like moderate and above moderate income but if you're using it for low income they need to be at least half an acre. Thank you. I have another question. Regarding the minimum and maximum units per acre that you were discussing and the need to apply zoning changes before the end of the year, I'm curious because it sounded like the goal was to maintain a maximum of 20 units per acre but it was my understanding from this slide that 20 units per acre would be the minimum number that is financially viable for low income housing. So I'm hoping to get some clarity on that. Yeah, so go ahead. So for the rezone, which we need to do the reason if we get the rezone done we need to, we can put in our zoning code a minimum and a maximum but if we go through and we add a maximum density so right now our multifamily high density is at like 19.6. So under what's financially viable. So we'll probably be coming back to you and asking to bump that up to at least 20 but possibly up to 25 or 30 so that people will have, it'll make sense when it gets to age CD to rezone. So if we put in new maximums and we can under the new maximums we say we can meet our density limits with these new maximums and rezone then we won't be subject to the state's requirement of a minimum of 20 units per site. And is this the 20 units per site? This is like for 20 units per acre. Per acre is that for like medium density or is it for a specific like density category? Great question. So if we assign low income housing to that site it has to have a minimum of 20 units per acre if we have not re-zoned. And so it doesn't matter what the zoning is it's just if it gets a minimum. But wouldn't we already be putting a minimum of 20 to 25 to 30, right? So if we re-zone before the end of the year we won't be subject to that. Yeah. And Katie, if I can kind of supplement that the 1400 units that you're faced with you could do 30 units per acre, 35 units per acre and in some areas maybe then you don't have as many you don't have to identify that many sites, you know. But what we are trying to avoid is the bottom. When you have a zoning district you always have a range, right? The bottom range and the upper range. So if we're able to get to the re-zoning before the end of the year your upper range has to be at least 20 like the maximum has to be the minimum maximum has to be at least 20 units per acre so you can go to 35, 40, whatever you want to but you don't have to have a bottom like all you can establish the bottom at whatever you choose to. But if you can't get to your re-zoning by the end of the year the maximum density would be 20, 25 to 30 units per acre but the bottom has to be 20. So you're not going to when you have a zoning district that is like 20 to 30 units per acre if you the range is 20 to 30 units per acre let's say if you get to the re-zoning past the end of the year then you cannot accept a project that comes in at 19.5 units per acre because your bottom is 20. So you cannot have like a town home project that comes in at 19.5 units per acre. Thank you. I did have a question that I may be getting ahead of us here but would we be as far as ADUs would we be identifying private property that would be able to sustain ADUs and reaching out to those property owners or is that something so we'll base it on trends we'll be looking at Capitola and how our trends have been in ADUs have increased over time and I you know this past year we've been seeing a lot of traction and the council you know we've put a lot of money into like the guidance documents for ADUs and so we're hoping to see that bump up for last year's numbers but so based on trends we can include those within our housing element. Thank you and then I know you mentioned when we're reviewing sites will be when they're being looked at and looked into certain problem areas will be soft and I know that from the public standpoint there's gonna be a lot of questions about traffic and water and infrastructure things like that. So I'm just I think because a lot of people think about the mall and they're just wondering about how it's going to affect the 41st corridor and the residents around it and so just taking that as an example I guess what's something that we can put forth to the public stating that this is something that will be addressed in in a development right so it's you don't just slap on a unit with all these parcels on it and just not think about how it's gonna affect traffic or water or infrastructure so I think if that's something that can be really transparent or that like at least I know it's a question that I get asked a lot like when we talk about the mall is what about this, what about that and just to have these ideas sort of churning and formulating and again I think I'm getting ahead of our steps because I know we're talking about rezoning but I think that's just something that would be helpful for us to understand a little bit better too and have the lingo and the jargon when we're moving forward in the rezoning and all that so that's sort of more of a comment but I think part of this is a CEQA analysis they have another consultant they're working with that will be looking at CEQA so your environmental review so that will be included as part of this package and also in the rezoning there's a CEQA requirement to look at overall like if while we're rezoning we have to look at the impacts to our environment and build environment as well so the streets and collections. Did, were there any last council questions? Okay, and we can go out to public comment. I see nobody. Great, welcome J.M. You have been allowed to speak, you can unmute yourself and you'll have three minutes. Hello guys, I hope everyone's having a good night. I heard Veronica Tam say that 67% of our assigned AMBAG units is because we didn't build anything for 20 years. I'm wondering if I heard correctly and I also wonder if we had representation on AMBAG during this process, thank you. Great, you can respond. So the 60% increase was, and Veronica you can correct me if I'm wrong but I think that was for the not just specific to Capitola but on a statewide and looking at our state and our region that was not just based on Capitola. So that did not come into the formula when the units were divvied up at the AMBAG level. So just to clarify that point that's at the state level and the second question. Yeah, I think it's pretty well known by the speaker and others that I'm the representative for AMBAG and I was the AMBAG representative last year when we went through the RENA process. There's minutes for those meetings, I believe on the AMBAG website as well as minutes for the meetings that we had for what, eight, six, eight months that we discussed the RENA process and I brought it up here at council that it was coming down and how it was gonna work out and fought pretty hard for the city of Capitola at the time and here we are. Great. And I recollect that the city council submitted multiple letters to AMBA. Yep. Thank you. And just, can we just clarify because the speaker, the suggestion was that because we didn't build, we had those additional percentages but can we just clarify again that it's not our responsibility to build, it's our responsibility to be builder friendly, correct? Yeah, yeah, I mean just two points I would add to that. Number one is that if the city's responsibility to create the zoning, I think that's what Veronica and that's what housing elements do is the city needs to create the zoning necessary to accommodate the RENA units and in addition we heard from our consultant this evening that they also recommend a buffer. So you want to accommodate more than just the exact 1336, they recommend a buffer but the other one I just wanna answer very directly is there was nothing in the formula from AMBAG that had anything to do with what Capitola has done in the past, it was our demographics and it was the graphics and our risk. Our risk and yeah, there was just a number of factors but nothing that looked and said, oh Capitola, you only built 12 units in the last 10 years or three years or whatever so therefore we wanna make sure it's all looking ahead and looking at our sort of intrinsic characteristics. Right, that's why it sets us apart. So do we have anybody else online that would like to speak? Okay, well we can go back, do we have to make a motion or are we just, okay. I have a quick comment though. Yes, please, yeah, yeah, I mean as I mentioned when we were going through the AMBAG RENA process I kind of talked here and there at council meetings about what a difficult process this was going to be when it came to us and now here we are. I don't envy you, Katie and staff for the work that you're gonna have to do. We have a lot of work ahead of us and if it's not already clear, I'll just point out to our friends out in the Bay Area region or about a year ahead of us in terms of their fifth cycle RENA process and of the 109 cities and counties in the Bay Area only I think it was 14 submitted their housing element on time by the January 31st deadline. So it's a really complicated and complex process and hopefully we won't be in that same boat but just as kind of a sign of what's ahead of us is that learning that statistic was pretty shocking to me and made me think that this is gonna be a really hard and complex process but I know that we're all ready and if we're not ready, we're about to be. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I encourage the community to take the housing survey and again as we move forward, as the mayor mentioned, a lot of people have concerns about traffic and infrastructure and of course those are valid concerns but let us also remember that density is essentially a requirement for our future at this point to be denser than we already are. I think for something to be considered a very high density is like 75 units an acre, 76 units an acre, something like that we're not even considering that. So what might be considered a high density here in Capitola is not what would be considered high density by the standards, I suppose you would call it. So let's just keep an open mind for what we are preparing our city for and yeah, let's get it done. I agree, I think this was informative to me too I think moving forward, this was a snapshot into the future it's not these steadfast buildings are gonna go up by the end of the year and we're just here for that. So thank you, Katie for all your work. Thank you, Kristen for all your work with AMBAG and yeah, I look forward to seeing hopefully we're not part of that statistic of not reaching our numbers. Okay. Another question. Yeah. Sort of a statement too. Not to try to complicate the project I know we're on a really tight deadline but I'm just thinking, is there a way that I or other council members or other entities or groups from the city can get more involved in the process because we have two workshops planned, is that right? And then how many city council meetings are discussing this topic for? So they'll, right now what we have planned is once we come up with the locations to possibly either do what we just did with the planning commission followed by a city council meeting or maybe do a joint meeting. We'll be sending out emails and trying to if we go the joint meeting, we'll have to send out emails and figure out a date that would work for all 10 which can prove difficult at times. But yeah, so that's the right here right now once we get into adoption hearings it's really up to the planning commission and city council how many hearings that will go through but it's really important that we get a first draft off to the HCD and continue working just so we meet that timeline. But opportunities for involvement I can continue to keep you updated on where we're at but you will be hearing from us again late March, early April with that first sites analysis inventory. So it's probably gonna be March, so not too far out. Okay, yeah, great. I just wanna make sure that I'm, you know plenty of opportunities for all stakeholders to be involved because it is a quick process that will, you know, in great lane back capital for the next eight years. And I suspect that once we do have that map put together the room will be. Yeah, I'm surprised there isn't more engagement tonight. We usually make those meetings with this is the only item on the agenda, right? Like when we have our big zoning meetings that's usually the only item, yeah, yeah. And the rubber will hit the road. And hopefully we'll educate the public along the way that this is zoning that's not building because the fear out there now is, oh my God they're gonna put 12 stories on 41st Avenue tomorrow. Okay. Is that all you need from us? We received. We received. Thank you. The city life is important. Item seven C. Oh my goodness. We did. I'll let you know we did, yes. General consensus. Yes. That's a voice vote. Yeah, okay, so cool that thank you. Everybody brings us to item eight which is adjournment. Appreciate you all have a lovely evening. Oh, adjourn.