 Apex Ibu, social-cultural organisation o hanes in Ibu, has a land that there is a grand plot to keep Senator Ikeikwere Madu away from Nigeria, owing to the 2023 general elections. It therefore acts the economic community of West Africa and State Air Force to intervene and ensure the immediate release of the lawmaker. Now, while his wife Beatrice was being granted bail, the former Deputy Senate President is currently being held in the United Kingdom, where he is facing trial, for alleged organ harvesting. According to the National President of the Yohanez, indeed we'll use council worldwide, mais yw ochr nabw Ike. It was unjustifiable that the United Kingdom authorities had no regard for Ikewere Madu's diplomatic passport. We're joining us to discuss this, is Dr Law Merfawr. He's a forensic and social psychologist. He's also a fellow at the Abudah School of Social and Political Thought. Thank you so much, Mr Merfawr Laws, for joining us. Thank you. Thank you for hosting me. Great. Let's examine the situation. One would have thought that after the United Kingdom government realised that this young man was not a minor, that the former Senate President would have gotten bail, although his wife did get bail. Many would also have thought that his diplomatic passport would have carried some weight. But how do my viewers understand exactly why the situation is as it is? Yes, Ikewere Madu's case is very pathetic, very unfortunate, and it is lingering, and taking this term because the Nigerian nation has not applied the false or even shown basic interest. In fact, there is evidence, believable evidence, that Nigerian government agency, particularly the EFCC, is communicating with the court and trying to incriminate Ikewere Madu, and it's very unfortunate. So you can see that Ikewere Madu is essentially on his own because the country he's had is not even a comment of his age. And even rather than keep them quiet and neutral, the EFCC is writing and saying that they hope they could team or about to post a good equivalent. So you can understand. That summarises it. That is the foundation of his travel. Now Orhan Eze is alleging that there is a grand plot of sorts to keep him away from Nigeria, and also one way or the other, they're also alleging that this might be a plot to not allow him run for the governorship elections next year. What would you like to say about that? I think there will be a reason for an agent like EFCC to the writing, you know, incriminating Ikewere Madu. It makes the whole thing political. It means that, you know, the Nigerian executive arm is interested in the case, and they are not interested in the case in a way or manner as to a short justice or, you know, a health equivalent model as a once number five citizen of Nigeria. So their communication is to the fact that the EFCC has characterized evidential issues with the Nigerian state. That is to what EFCC has said in writing that they are prosecuting or about to prosecute EFCC. That's it. So if another country gets that kind of funding from a country, you know, of very important testing, they are trying to prosecute. You can see that the country has sort of watched, you know, it's hand off the case or even trying to aid conviction of equal amount in foreign land. It's very, very unfortunate, you know, and if something, a TV plus you take up and find out, is it true that EFCC has written such a letter? If they have written such a letter saying that they are prosecuting or about to prosecute EFCC, is that supposed to help EFCC or is it supposed to watch on his case? So that's the way I look at it. And the position of the organization you say, what they say that everybody's been taking away from this thing because of the 2020. It's not far-fetched. You can see that everything going on is political. You know, certain prosecutions going on in the last one year are all political prosecutions. Look at the case of somebody like Roger Zolcarlu. Look at the case of somebody like Roger Zolcarlu. So that's of equality. Madhu cannot be, you know, divorced from such an interest. So Dr Meffor, you're telling me, you're incinerating that these South Eastern governors and members of the National Assembly have been targeted politically. This is what you're pointing to. Again, I'd like to ask, if this were to be anything to go by, I'm wondering for a person of a position like that of the former Deputy Senate president, couldn't things have been done better, especially in terms of vetting before you undertake such a journey to a country of that nature and then now tying it to being a political witch hunt of sorts? I'm trying to understand that. What you see, if Madhu has a daughter that needs a kidney transplant, okay, and he found somebody in Nigeria. And when they got there, for that detailed analysis of the Donald, showed that he wasn't stable, or the Donald got wise and released that he wanted to complete the process. And the criminal model, of course, naturally would want the young man to return to Nigeria, and the young man had to tell some story to stay back in the UK. It's just simple. That's what has happened. You can see that when you bring in the angle of opposition, it has not been a wonderful opposition. You and I know this. But again, the circumstances surrounding this case, I'm sorry to talk over you. The circumstances surrounding this case makes it almost impossible to fully say that this is political. If due diligence was done before leaving the shores of this country, and of course getting to that country, no matter what story that young man told, if they had covered all grounds, this would have been a no case. So there would have not been room for political witch hunting, or whoever was plotting against, in your words, the former Senate President. No, no, but then let me draw your attention to something. Okay. Epolymadu'n gwybod i'r buser office of UK in Nigeria, explaining that the young man has offered to donate to the daughter. In writing, the buser office was in possession of full disclosure. The interest of Epolymadu, the purpose of the travel and the UK buser office issued a medical visit. So the young man didn't travel for education or tourism. He traveled on a medical visit. So, and it's clear, the purpose of the travel was known so all grants were covered. The problem was that the young man got to that place and got smart, and then didn't want to complete the process, and didn't want to return to Nigeria. He started pursuing asylum in UK and came up with this terrible story. Epolymadu'n gwybod i Epolymadu. So that's it. You remember that the young man started by saying that he was under age. He said he was 15. That has been debunked. He is 21, and will be 22 in a month or two. So he's a full-fledged adult. And he traveled as an individual. It wasn't a good difference. Don't forget. If he was a minor in Nigeria, he couldn't have been issued an individual visit. He must travel with somebody. That's the procedure. But he traveled as an individual and said that's an adult. So you can see. I don't know what else Epolymadu could have done. He would have let us say that look, this person wants to donate to my daughter. That is full disclosure. If it was irregular and illegal, he should have stopped in the visa office here in Nigeria. If the UK Embassy in Nigeria is a criminal agency, is in a position to take an issue visa only to those who are qualified, the UK Embassy in Nigeria is an extension of Britain. It's Britain's government and they issued a medical visa. So where did Epolymadu go wrong in all this? Let's talk about. I don't see how anybody can blame Epolymadu. He's only trying to find help for the daughter. He doesn't need help. And somebody offered to help. Any father will do what Epolymadu would have done. Let's talk about diplomacy here. O Hanes-Indigo is making reference to it and talking about the fact that he does hold a diplomatic passport and that it should carry some weight. Does diplomacy actually work in cases like this being that it seems to be a criminal case, a case where the government of the United Kingdom strongly frowns upon? Let's also not forget that some members of the National Assembly, a delegation was sent to the United Kingdom. What difference could he have made? I mean, if he did make a difference, how come we've not seen it? Well, you see, I don't think diplomatic is a part of the criminal allegations. I don't think so. But I also think that he should give Epolymadu some recognition. For example, they know that he is an official of a friendly government. Come on, well. Epolymadu cannot run away. Epolymadu should be granted bail and also have been granted bail. I mean, Epolymadu student union has been put a crooked in the first place. When they found out that the young man was lying, they should have left Epolymadu go. That is why I believe that they are fishing to find a way to loop Epolymadu in for some political ends. I mean, again, we make it sound like the United Kingdom is an extension of a political party in Nigeria and that bids me. It's the United Kingdom that have laws that govern the country and if they decide to pick up. And I'm not in any way holding brief for them, but I'm just saying it's natural. If something happens in my country, I should be able to follow it to the latter and not be called out to us being political as an extension of a political party or the opposition of whatever party that person involved is in. The offense for critical matter is being charged is billable. And you have had it for three months and you've fixed the hearing of this matter for the end of October. That's another three months. It means that even the trial of this case has no connection at all. It will start next three months. What that means is that even the matter of bill, appeal and all that may not be had until after October. So, if the offense is billable, why have they denied Epolymadu bill? I guess this is a question that everybody is seeking an answer to but in closing quickly, the ECOWAS is also being impressed upon by O'Hanezi youth at we being to deal with the issue and I'm wondering to myself in what way do you think that the ECOWAS would be able to prevail upon the United Kingdom Government being that this is a government and a sovereign state in itself. The problem that my mother has is the letter written by EFCC, as well as I am concerned. Because the letter has to do with current term attestation. And EFCC is saying that they are prosecuting Epolymadu or about to prosecuting. So, because now is entertaining some fears that if you let this man go, will they be able to get him again? Because his country is saying that he has a problem, you know, that borders on credibility, integrity and character. So, the question is why is the EFCC writing this kind of letter? You know, why am worried is this? Because Epolymadu is first saying in the UK is not an economic and the financial crime case. So, where does EFCC coming here? Big question. If the UK court needs a current term attestation for Nigeria, it should be coming from Nigeria Police. It should be coming from Nigeria Minister of Foreign Affairs. Okay. Why EFCC? Well, this is a question that we're hoping to get. Yeah, these are questions that we're hoping to get answers to, I beg your pardon, but we'll keep our eyes on this story and hopefully see how it develops. Dr. Law Mefford is a forensic and social psychologist. He's also a fellow of the Abuja School of Social and Political Thought. Thank you so much, Doctor, for joining us tonight. Thank you for hosting me. All right. Well, that's it. You followed through this case. All right. And that's it on the show tonight. It's been Plus Politics. Don't forget, you can watch a replay of the programme if you missed it on our YouTube channel. It's Plus TV Africa. 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