 I'm gonna say, well, I mean, it is different because, like you said, just biologically men and women are different. I do acknowledge that. Okay, well, I'm safe, Paige. Yeah, but at the same time, again, that's just a really thick ball of yarn that needs to be untangled in work through, but... Black girl, tell me how you really feel. I want to keep it real with you. I want to live better, eat better. I want to love better, sleep better. Yeah, I want to feel so aligned. I think when it comes to sports, that's just something that they have to consider now because I think more people are comfortable with being who they are. And so regardless of if they were born a man, if they feel like they are a woman and they want to transition, they are a woman now. And so I don't know, maybe it just is going to take some, like a lot of things that are changing and a lot of ideas that are shifting. It might just take some adjusting. I don't know. Like, I don't know how that will work. But I think the problem... It's more complicated than is it fair because it's just like... No, I agree. But I think the problem is if, for instance, if Joanna... Have you ever watched Joanna Man? A long time ago. Okay, so Joanna Man was a guy who was pretending to be a woman because he got kicked out of the NBA. So he went to the WNBA. So if what Joanna Man happened, he would be the highest-played WNBA player. And that would take money, potential endorsement deals away from the Candace Parkers and the other girls and Brittany Griners and things like that. Is that fair? Again, I'm not in the sports world. No, just hypothetically. Just because of that. That's like... I don't think there's a... Because sports is about performance. You get paid based on your performance. I don't think you can say if it's fair. I just think it's going to take some adjusting. Like, the people who... Nobody makes the game, but the people who control, you know, what's going on, like the higher-ups, like... There needs to be some adjustments and... I don't know, figure out how that quite works and how it quite fits in. But I don't think it's fair to not let those people play. What would be their... So your first point, you said the higher-ups should make adjustment. What would be their incentive? To make adjustments? Like you said, what was it? You said the UFC fighter was breaking people's goals. People are dying or getting seriously hurt. I would think there would be some kind of... No, but you're saying the adjustment should be more inclusive, not exclusive. Yeah, just trying to figure out how we quite navigate this. And honestly, I don't know how they quite navigate it. Like, I don't know. I don't know, because I don't think it's fair to not include those people. Like, I feel like they should be included. And they should... Even if the consequences women's goals being broken? But I don't think it's fair just because, you know, you have felt your whole life that you are a woman, but you also love this sport and you want to play this sport, but you're kind of, you know, a little more advanced as far as the physical aspect goes. It's not a little. A little bit, I'm gonna say a little bit. And so you can't just say, like, oh, that person can't play. Like, nah, that's why I say that. I don't know what adjustments. I mean, if there was a trans league, I'd be with you. But the idea of more... But then it's not inclusive, right? You're kind of putting them over there by themselves. Yeah. Because if they keep fighting y'all, they're gonna keep breaking your skulls. So we have two options. We have two options. We either have inclusion or more women's skulls broken. What's the thing? What's the third option? I really don't know. And again, this is just a metaphor. Even the sports thing is just a metaphor for the larger conversation. I don't know. But I do think they should be allowed to play. So I don't know how that's gonna work and how that's gonna fit and how everybody can just coexist and do their thing. So your daughter's a wrestler. And you find out that next week she has to wrestle the state champion who was born a boy as a parent. You okay with that? I hopefully have confidence in my daughter's abilities, what she's doing. And I mean, there's probably gonna be a conversation about it. But yeah, go out there and do your thing. Would you not let your daughter wrestle? Would you tell her, you would tell her she couldn't do it? Fuck no. You would tell her she couldn't do it? Absolutely. The world. I box. Okay. I've been punched by a very, very skilled woman. I've been punched by a not-so-skilled man. Not the same? Mm. It's not the same. Okay. It's not the same. Now if that state champion is just a girl who's a little bit more muscular than the average bear, that's different, right? Like Serena Williams or something like that. But if that girl, because the thing that we downplay is the bone structure density is different. It is fundamentally different. So I wouldn't subject my daughter to that danger. Okay. But you would. First of all, I don't have any kids. So my imaginary kids aren't being subjected to anything. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's tough. Yeah, that's a tough. I think it's simple. I think it's slam dunk. I don't think it's simple. I don't think it's right to just say, you can't play sports because you decide that you want to be who you are on the inside and you want to fully express yourself, but you can't play sports. No, but I think it's, and I think it's not that we're trying to just exclude people for the sake of exclusion. I think if you have a certain number of DUIs, you should be able to drive. I think it shouldn't make sense, right? I think exclusion for the sake of the greater good, the greater safety, and in that realm specifically in the sports room, because men aren't worried about a girl who transition to a boy stepping on a football field. Come on. Or the basketball court, you know what I'm saying? We're not worried about that because we understand it's still in our favor. But with our daughters, that is a danger. And not even just the physical ramifications, but also like I said, that 300-pound man who decides he identifies as a woman comes in and breaks all the female world records. And I've been, I was the, I'm a girl. I was a world record holder. I trained my entire life. I sacrificed blood, sweat, and tears. And this guy, because he suffers from gender dysmorphia, trained for two weeks, came in and killed me. Is that fair to women? I don't think it's dysmorphia. I think it's just wanting to be who you are. And again, there's limited amount of time that we are given. I think you need to just do your thing, be happy, and whatever realm that is. But as far as like sports goes, I don't know, I don't know how to solve that. Navigate that. I think we need to live, you know, the best possible life we can and be happy, but not at the consequence of other people. But how is it a consequence of other people? Like the example I gave, that woman who just worked her ass off is now obsolete. But that is something that I feel like, again, adjustments that I don't know. That's not my realm. I don't know. I think that's something that can be altered, fixed, worked out. Other than that, is there any more consequences? Well, I think the consequences build on each other. I think, you know, whether it's the physical consequence of that girl potentially being hurt, or the emotional consequence of, damn, I trained all my life and somebody with an unfair biological advantage came in and shattered everything I've worked for. And those can lead to, what if that former world record holder is now an alcoholic? Because they're like, life is messed up. Like, what was the point of me doing all that work? So I think we have to have more foresight than just let this person live their best life. But I'm not gonna say accountability, because the things that we do grow through do affect us. And trauma or whatever does affect us. But I don't think we can solely blame her theoretical person having an alcohol problem. Oh, it's his fault, like that's the reason why she can. So I mean, as far as like that goes, she's an adult that made those decisions and she's not trying to actively help herself and she's not taking steps. So I don't know if we can just say like, oh, this is gonna lead to these people going down the wrong roads. At the end of the day, we all have choices to make. I agree, however, I think like I'm a psychology nerd. So I'm all about cause and effect. And the reality of psychology is that a lot of the things we do, a lot of the ways we think about the world, a lot of our vices, a lot of our problems are a consequence of something that happened to us when we couldn't defend ourselves, whether physically or emotionally, right? So I try to think past, just let them figure it out. I try to empathize a little bit. So for that girl who worked her ass off to be really, really good at this thing, the best female in the world or in her calendar year in school, whatever the case may be, to be upstaged by somebody with a biological advantage, I empathize with that. And I empathize with some of the potential consequences. I'm not saying that she should blame the transgender person. I'm saying that we as a society have a responsibility to make sure those things don't happen. That's the same reason why if somebody's found using steroids, they're disqualified from whatever they were participating in. And a man coming into a female sport is pretty much the equivalent of that. You have an unfair advantage. And you've acknowledged that, right? I wanna say, well, I mean, it is different cause like you said, biologically men and women are different. I do acknowledge that. Okay, wanna say a page? Yeah, but at the same time, again, that's just a really thick ball of yarn that needs to be untangled in work through. But I don't think it's fair to just exclude those people. Okay, so we don't have to unravel it cause I don't know how much time you have, but what do you think would be the first step to approaching that unraveling? Maybe talking to the people who are transgender in those sports. We talking to them. Maybe even seeing if they want to be in a week of their own. Cause I mean, that's solely affecting them. Maybe having a conversation with them. Should we talk to the women? Talk to everybody. Maybe is there a dialogue going on or is it just something that's happening? Are people talking? There is no dialogue because you can't talk about it. It's like, cause we're in a very inclusive zeitgeist right now, so you can't talk. So is there controversy over transgender people competing in this sport? Yeah, but nobody's talking about it. Yes, cause you say anything about that. The LGBTQ, you gonna lose your job. Nobody's talking about it. But people are lashing out and they're mad about it and there's... Yeah, like parents, for instance. Like parents are like, I don't want my daughter competing against a dude. Even people like Joe Rogan, for instance. He's a MMA commenter. He's like, don't do this to these women. I know these women. Do not subject them to this type of violence. Cause again, ultimately, and this is where I think we don't give men enough credit, men are saying that y'all are gonna get hurt if you just live and let live. Because it doesn't directly affect men outside of, oh, I hollered at a girl that I thought was a girl but it wasn't really a girl. But like on the sports field, it's y'all who are gonna be affected. So I think the conversation starts with y'all. I think the conversation starts with people who are involved. In that world. Yeah, in that world. I think they need to be talking about it. And okay, so apathetically they say, okay, we wanna still play against women. And the women say, we don't wanna play against women who used to be men. What happens? What's the tiebreaker? I don't know. They don't have to figure that out. They don't have to sit in that conference room and talk and figure out what is the meat in the middle. Again, that's not my space. That's not my area of expertise. I know nothing about sports. And regardless of if I'm a woman, I'm not playing the sport. I'm not playing the sport against a transgender person. So I can't give my opinion. They need to do this, man. I don't know. I think it's gonna take those people in those spaces to sit down and have conversations and figure out if there is problems, if there is controversy, if there's people who have issues with it. Those people need to come and they need to talk and they need to work it out. Those people in those spaces. Well, I strongly believe in community. So even if I'm not directly in the space, it affects me some type of way. For instance, children and things like that. So I think everybody needs to talk more honestly. And that's part of the goal of this, encouraging people to talk.