 I'm going to be using my phone. I made notes on it. Oh, okay. I thought you were looking at promo codes. No, like, have you started? That's also, the lights are not... Boom! Your hair, right? Boom. Good catch. You probably make us do it again. You're obsessed with the lights. It needs to be immaculate. Immaculate. Okay. All right, let me get my notes up. I can't submit lighting professionally. Let's get pumped. Oh, stop. Welcome back to Spoonsville. Today, we're going to be covering the master, Joaquin Phoenix, Philip Seymour Hoffman. Yeah, that other lady. Other lady. Oh, Amy Adams. Yeah. Oh, my God. I hope it's her. It is not. Because she looks like the other... Guaranteed. Okay, Amy Adams. She's so good. Jesse, Jesse Plamons. Oh, yeah. He's blowing up. Is in there? Yeah, he is. And I'm really glad. I'm happy for him. I feel bad. I used to think he was kind of like a, just a, like a rip-off version of Matt Damon, but he's his own person. Why did you think that? The first time I saw him was in Breaking Bad and he just seemed like a young Matt Damon. There's a thing here. What, hair? Do we need to... No, there's a... I don't know what's going on here. And it's like... What? Is it schmutz? Yellow stuff. I don't know. Okay. Oh yeah, and Laura Dern was in here. Who? She was really good at this. Yes. She was really, really good. Yes, she was. She was just perfect. Great. So, so wanting to believe the leader and the cult leader. Yeah, she's a great cult leader. That's a great scene. But yeah, I suggested it because you were both big Hoffman fans. So I thought, well, this is an interesting Hoffman role. Yeah, we definitely love Philip Seymour Hoffman and he was beautiful. He was. Just, he was so good in this. Wow, and Joaquin... Oh yeah. Love him. Also, yeah. And Amy Adams. It was like a window into how bad life can get for people. Yeah. Right? Because I think to get to a point of putting a cult together, you would have had to go through some stuff. Yeah. It's a cool movie again where just through the acting and a little bit of dialogue, you get a sense of how to start a cult, you also at one point go through a really dark period. Where you almost maybe create this new ego, this new world to accommodate you in the way that you wanted and you were robbed up and prived up when you needed it. Yeah. And then you, then that's how you can kind of, yeah, you develop this false sense of self and false reality and everything. And I think he sees in Joaquin like the person he was and somehow he broke and then he decided to reimagine himself. Yeah. You know? And they also have this kind of this relationship to where it's an interesting, like in some ways they, I think they both kind of want to be able to just goof around and wrestle each other, but then there is just this natural power difference where he's just a lot more educated. He's a lot more common in self and Joaquin is just a total mess. And I feel like the relationship was, it was very interesting when I was looking at it. I was like, okay, well, they have, they, there's this endearment that they have towards each other for whatever reason. He says, the master in the beginning, Philip Seymour Hoffman says, I feel like I've met you. You know, I feel like I know you. I feel like we've met somewhere where, but Joaquin doesn't, you know, have any kind of recollection or that kind of feeling, although he is drawn to him. If you've gone through something that's really hard, a certain hardship and you see someone else going through that same thing, you are much more sympathetic to them because you know how difficult a lot, you experience that, you know, that pain that they're going through. And so you're much, there's a level of wanting to help that person out, especially when you feel like you've found a way out of it. And so you're kind of like, you have this kind of, you know, desire to, yeah, to then, maybe help that person out. For him, if to kind of prove that his techniques work, if I can help this person who seems beyond help, then that adds some validity. Yeah, I like, which, yeah. And I like, like what I like too, but I think it's really well done in terms of when he's explaining, there's a scene where he's explaining his philosophy, basically of the cult. And then there's a guy that's, you know, he's a skeptic and he's there, maybe he's writing an article or something. And then they get into a back and forth. And what I like about it is, yeah, you know, you realize that, and then it's not even just, the one person, it's like even the family thinks, you know, he's just kind of making it up. Well, the sun. The sun is completely, yeah. Yeah. But, at the same time, when Phillips and Mahoffen's discussing all these things with the skeptic, there are a lot of parts that sound good and are even seem like, seemingly pretty legitimate good ways to live, but then it gets mixed in with kind of stuff that he's just kind of thrown out there. I remember even the first time they meet, well, after he wakes up, he's like, come on and enjoy the party. Yeah. My, my daughter is getting married. Forget you, but leave your memories behind and leave your pain behind. Yeah. And let's just enjoy the party, you know, and that is the thing that the cult offers to Joaquin and probably people in general. Yeah. That's something that I, the movie is great if you, I feel if you want to know what happens in a cult. Yeah. And also, I think the movie helped me, reminded me of the fact that, you know, sometimes people who join cults are vilified like, oh, you're stupid or how could you be fooled by ABC? But if you're coming from just complete chaos, your life was the kind of chaos that Joaquin Phoenix life was before they, in the movie, I don't remember his name. Yeah. What's his name? Freddie. Freddie. Freddie Quell. Yeah. That his life was before joining that cult. Yeah. A cult is peace. It's a new family for him. Exactly. The people that are most desperate for the, the love or attention of the, of the family, I don't know how to explain it. Like, I feel like it's, it's spoke a lot to the master's own insecurities. Because you know how with your family, let's say for example, you have an insecure parent and they can't, they always want some kind of validation. But as a kid, you're not really giving them that because you don't really feel like, you feel like naturally as a, as a parent. You need that validation. Yeah. You need that. First of all, you're the one who should be getting that validation, but also because if you're with, with your family, there's that sense of, you should know that I love you. I mean, of course, there are going to be certain things that will, I have to do certain things, but you should, you shouldn't need for me to be telling you you're great, you're great, you're great, right? But then if you're that kind of person who needs that validation, you're, you have, which usually if you really need that intense validation from people, you're super insecure. So you're going to seek it out every single like place you can find it. And if you find a person like Freddie, it's perfect. It's perfect because it's like, this guy is going to feel, look at me as a savior, right? So, so that's what I feel. That's why I feel like there's a selfishness there. Yeah. Because he, Freddie allows the master to satisfy his superiority complex. I don't know if you're in a desperate situation, both these people needed each other or wanted each other. I don't know if the meeting is right to say, but because Freddie wanted someone to that loved him the way that the master does or give him that gives him that support and you know, comforts him and protects him and loves him. He didn't have that. That's a thing that he's longing for and then the master wants, you know, someone that will make him feel like that will really happen to or validate his sense of superiority, which so these two people are perfect for each other, right? And it's a very unhealthy relationship, obviously because it comes from two people who I think are primarily insecure about themselves. Everyone has a master. That's the thing that he said. Oh, yeah. That's a good master says at the end. He says if you figure out how to live without serving a master, yeah, let us know for you would be the first person in the world. Yeah. And he says any master in whatever form. Yeah. I thought that was just fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. It's not about even if you don't go to church and you don't believe in God organized thing or you don't go to or you're not a part of a cult and there's no cult leader that you are. That is your master. Right. Your video games could be your master. And if any addiction could be a master over you unless you have a total mastery of yourself and you're not easily, you know, influenced by any external things, you know, like and even the master for you could be perfectionism. Yes. Like I struggle with that. Yeah. You know, and and so and then you're doing things because of like maybe you're overworking, which I struggle with, right? Because of my perfectionism. Right. And that is an example of that is my master. I cannot. It's hard to be free from all that. It's hard to be free from it. I almost feel like I want to watch that movie again. There's a lot of stuff in it. Even though it was painful. Like it was it's it's it's really hard to watch. Honestly. There's just so much stuff. Cults, cults can be, I don't know. Well, you know, I don't know if maybe they're good cults out there. I don't know. The other thing that I point that I made a note of is the dogma, you know, where Laura Dern talks about, remember, so the master writes a book and then she's she notices that, you know, in chapter two, I noticed that you said, you know, recall before, but now you said imagine. But isn't this doesn't that, you know, imply that we're not, that this is not real. This is not a hard, fast truth. Yeah. It's kind of implies that there is. Yeah. Um, It's not the most rock solid thing. Yeah. So it was interesting to me firstly because. What do you want? Yeah. There's some great outbursts. He was so pissed off. There's some great Hoffman outbursts and that would be definitely 10 out of 10 for Hoffman outbursts. Yeah. I was reflecting on how people are. They, they're so averse to nuance in life in anything, anything that they live like they want to stick to, they want rules and they want the rules to be like that forever. They want you as a person to be a certain way and you have to be like that forever. There's no room for change or growth because I'm too used to the system being this way. And if you change, I'm going to have to now start grappling with who I am and I'm going to have to start changing too. And that's hard. Yeah. You know, I like things the way that they are. This is easier. Yeah. You know, they enjoy a certain kind of system. It's easier for them. They understand it, but then when things start to change, then they have to grow. Yeah. And nobody wants to grow because growing means you have to think about yourself and your life and who you, you know, what is it? What are the, I don't know, you know, people didn't like Bob Dylan going electric. Seems like a wild thing. Why is that so crazy? Yeah. But they were just he, I am someone who likes acoustic folk music and now it shakes my whole identity up the fact that he plays electric guitar. Yeah. You know, and yeah, exactly. It for him in a way, it shows that Hoffman is either, you know, as anyone who creates anything, you can want to keep changing it up to interest you. But then, yeah, I can show that he's kind of making stuff up, but, or maybe he's also trying to develop his ideas wherever they come from. And like you said, it's then this, this, which you need this strict dogma to keep an institution, this kind of thing going. If it's able to change, then it kind of makes me wonder about all the other stuff that I took just for absolute truth. Yeah. But that's an interesting thing, right? Because I think people in general have, that's something I think people need to really consider about themselves in general, because Laura Dern in that movie, she was so invested in this cult and it was, it just took, it hurt her so much when that line, when they changed one line in the book, it hurt her and it was her entire identity was just gone, right? And this is a problem, first of all, to completely peg your well-being, your mental and emotional well-being and your life, everything on this one thing, because that's just part, that's just a little bit of life and to say that this is my identity and if, and it has to continue to be this way because then this is, this is how I gain my purpose. This is how I know who I am. Yeah, too rigid. You're going to snap, you know? You're going to be able to move with the wind. You got to move. It reminded me of how frustrated I get where with people who are like, okay, well, if you are a member of this group, then you have to only do A, B, C, D and that's it. You have to agree with every single thing. If we hate this, you have to hate it. If you like that, we have to like that. And that is hell on earth. Hard to keep up with the life. Just the thought of that is incredibly daunting. Hard to enjoy life that way. Exactly. Everybody's fantastic. Amy Adams, wow, she's so good. She makes you believe in this thing. You can tell that she's, my God, her little specious, her scene. Every single time she's featured in, you know, whatever scene she's in, she's fantastic. Rami Malek. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, he was also, it was so good. 10 out of 10 ripe tomatoes. You want to see a fresh movie? Yeah. Yeah. See that. Yeah. All right. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. Star. Star. That's it. All right. Bye. Bye.