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So you are hearing voices, are you seeing things? I was seeing this I'll tell you what I saw first thing that I saw yeah I saw someone that I knew a powerful person and he had the only grandadcaps as slim ones and he was down here and he was running past myself and I saw that and I think you are that's kind of mad but I don't believe in this it's real and then I looked at my door and my door was painting red and just imagine look like that I could see the image of the devil in that it on the door so instead of being scared I've got my cell chair I've just stared at him and he's talking to me he's saying like yeah you're you're one of my childs and hell Satan hell Lucifer and I'm just thinking I've been chosen for to be a part of this now with the devil you can contact him whenever you want and when it's a full moon that's when he gives you the power to do what you want I'm walking down the landing it's my name on business or a very serious expression but I don't it's not in my mind to do anything to anybody so I've got this thing in a kit bag and I've got my hand on the handle but the blade itself is covered by the bag so I've walked past the yardies on the poles so it's nodded and everybody burst out laughing so I'm like oh what are you laughing at me there was no hurry boy me not laughing at you man this go on go on so I said okay thanks man and when I walked away turned they burst out laughing again so I said cool that's it so I've walked up to the biggest one I said you're right yeah I've bedbotted him till he's two front teeth have come out so I've run sheep the the blade I've stabbed him straight through there so then he's collapsed on the floor I'm this thing to myself right now yeah I'm in voices all you people in on this all you nasty people yeah anything wrong you look at me wrong you step in my shoes anything yeah I'm going to kill all of you that's like I've hoped that I'm going to kill every single one of you and I'm not going to give a fuck about it when we're on the day's guess we've got obie peddie how are you yeah I'm good I'm good man nice to meet you again nice to see you nice to see you yeah thank you no problem bit of a mad life mad story as well yeah spent over 25 years in prison yeah the judge put your naam towards 400 different robberies post offices yeah everything hello I think did you get six years and then they took it to 25 years yeah well it was um I got the six years and I think I was in yp's at the time I think I was in redding prison but then once I got back there they said like cool now you've been lifed off now you're getting straight to one of scrubs sorry one of scrubs so on the life unit now this wing here is what five landings and there's 300 prisoners on that wing so when I stepped on there for the first night it was about eight o'clock so everybody was banged up when I came out in the morning I saw a couple of his lads that I know and it was fine but then the officers for some reason could they had heard about me from my previous sentence in Ellsbury they never came to my cell once they never searched my cell once and they never they never looked me in the eyes I go to the cell three and they will say yeah just give them whatever you want if I took three pieces of chicken they'll get four and bring it when everyone's locked up they look like not and then it would just be the doors open I wouldn't see nobody they'll be like a big tray of chicken they'll be rice they'll be roast potatoes they'll even be pepper they'll form me to use so that was how it sort of started with my mind started ticking over I realized how powerful my presence was so it was a bit I won't say that word yet I'll say it after so after one of the scrubs I like I got kicked out of there for it's a bit tasty because it's I still think about it now I stabbed somebody with a smag within kitchen knife that was thrown over the wall and I've come out and everything that day and I think I was dating a bird from Maktem's mead and I really liked her so anyway that went pear shaped or a month I'm walking down the landing it's my name on business a very serious expression but I don't uh it's not in my mind to do anything to anybody so I've got this thing in a kit bag and I've got my hand on the handle but the blade itself is covered by the bag so I've walked past the yardies on the poles so I've just nodded and everybody burst out laughing so I'm like cool what are you laughing at me they go now everybody meet up laughing at you man this one go on so I said okay thanks man and when I walked away it turned they burst out laughing again so I said cool that's it so I walked up to the biggest one I said you're right I bedbotted him till he's two front teeth have come out so I've run sheaf the the blade I've stabbed him straight through there so then he's collapsed on the floor and I don't know how he did it he jumped my cup and he started running so every time he got to like a corner of a snooker table I'm here right in his heart he's just collapsed on the floor he was blood everywhere everyone was out he banged everybody up mum and myself just like I didn't I cared but I didn't care I was in shock what I done first time I've done that uh morning came and there was I say 25 maybe 30 officers in right gear they had bad the club was on so I couldn't see their faces and it was it went don't into me I wasn't shocked but I was just thinking wow now now it starts now so got along so we showed they took my picture down and said they said oh we just want it for your security fire for me ship you out but that picture was made into like a a poster no like a missing person poster so it's got me on there looking like that and it said if anybody in the prison system ever sees this man again run or and hide because he will kill you so yeah that's what happened 20 21 just on that young boy always go back to the start of my guest over though we'll go a bit through your life and tell you where to prison and stuff to get a bit understanding about you so let's go right back to the start where you grew up and it all began yeah man so the begin of my life was was excellent like my granddad uh and then they came up from Jamaica in the 1960s so my granddad was illiterate he wasn't he wasn't educated at all but he was a good mathematician so he ended up buying the pub in bricks and credential pub um the actual the actual building is still there but it's not a pizza parlor posplace now so anyway I grew up there because my mom like I said on my other one I said uh she was beat up a lot when I was younger and it's still going on today to be honest of you but um yes my grandmother took me in so as the years came in 1980 I was born by the time it was 1987 my granddad like he was rich very very rich so one day he said to me look come we're going somewhere so we're going granddad so we're going somewhere don't worry so we've gone to Clarks in bricksland which was a an exclusive Clarks in bricks it's not there anymore so um he had ballet ballet are like sway shoes from Switzerland he says yep these are 200 pound and you've got them then that was the start of my life with being a privileged person but still wanting to be on the streets still wanting to be with the man them or you know the canisters or in the world and that from seven years old so I'd see people when I was growing up in the pub when I got to 10 I'd see people going into the toilet or doing a little thing and that um obviously I knew my grandmother was profiting from that so sorry I just turned I just turned the blind eye to it and I um I was good with the profits so upstairs in my own room because I had like a bedroom that was the size of four bedrooms I had my own uh snooker table up there I had a king's eyes bed I had like a mink bed in Persian rugs and it was good but then my granddad said to me look you do not need to go out on the streets and do anything because since you was a baby you had like six chains on in your first picture you ever talked when you was two years old they were all gold chains so you know um that's how it was got to 11 12 obviously I met people like uh Quincy and that and I have a friend of my ninja Jacob you know Deli B and these guys were to me they were they were people that I wanted to be with I wanted to go to the little dances and the little ragga stuff and meet you new girls and that and it was exciting because I always had like money that was starting nicking from the pub everybody used to have walked back done all drinks clothes so it was good but then that was the start of the end for me did you go to school um I went to school I went to a private school or granddad paid for me to go to private school he's a boarding school so I'd be there from Monday to Friday um I graduated from there with I think two or three um diplomas as a youngster so actually one boy of the year there twice so that was cool but then I had anger issues because of what I was seeing happening with my mum she came to her parents evening once and she like a panda you know black they were black and swollen she could hardly see I said man what happened to you I said oh lord I fell over because of my innocence I didn't believe it but I was happy with the answer so my nan was there supporting my mum I mean she was in the 20s you know she could hardly walk but she came out of the way anyway but yeah so that's the school part and then I got expelled after that shortly after that I got expelled what for um I punched a glass window through so I think I was chasing somebody and he was getting away and then these were at breath so I'm carrying one I've caught up to him so I've gone to punch him and he's just moved like that I've gone straight through outside the world windows with the wire in them to hear my mum was caught up and they expelled me for it you don't get many chances in the private school how did that affect your grandad try to help you put you into private school give you a different outlook on life to then get an expel that must have upset him it did upset him he's only ever like discipline me once you know like a smack or whatever but yeah he was very disappointed and I think you didn't give up on me but he gave up on trying to keep me away from the streets you know I think um if I would if he would have said to me you can stay out and go out whenever you want I wouldn't have gone out I wouldn't have done it but the fact that he sometimes would say I want you back in by five that for me was that was music to my ears because I knew I still had the chance of him he hadn't totally given up so if I went out at 10 o'clock en I had to be back say at 10 o'clock at night I would do as much as I could to enjoy myself with the mandem you know and we done a lot is that when you started getting into trouble serious trouble 11 12 years old once you get expelled what kind of stuff are you doing then well violence physical violence that would scare me so watching it from some people was okay but doing it myself I couldn't do it but I was useful because I was brainy and I actually um I always had money so I like what I would do I like you remember the old uh 50 pound the gold one the big ones yeah I'd always have four of them so I have two in this shoe two in that shoe so there was somebody bigger than me and there was no one to help me out they said I would see your pockets there's nothing in my pockets all right cool so I've got 200 that's like a thousand pound en had that every single day is that to try and buy it buy yourself out if someone try to test you yeah well yeah that's see what you said there is perfect because that's what it was I knew personally as you know not a posh boy but as somebody that dressed very very well you know I would be a target so if I was say pulling out that money every single time I saw everybody smoke a bit of weed girls go to the cinema I knew eventually people were going to respect me and it worked yeah what about ages 14 15 16 when was the first time you got proper in trouble okay okay well I would say 12 years old 12 one month before my birthday august 14th 1994 so you remember the date the exact date I got a photographic memory so anyway what's happened is I've seen a short man Cleon Perry very very good person very serious Quincy and that was it so we've gone up to Kennington and there's a post office a sub post office there so I think short man said come and let's lick it man that's what you should say come on rude boy come let's lick this rude boy so man's like all right cool so we've gone in there and they're closing up and the door to the money was there so we've gone we just walked in there the people didn't even try to stop us open the drawer no word of alive james 50s 20s 10s we cleaned the whole thing and that will just start of everything never turn back and the judge when you've honestly got your first big sentence it said that was over 400 robberies to your name we see a fucking lot of robberies acts one a day one a day yeah one every other day one every other day yeah one a week whatever still a still a lot for a young boy was there no turning back then when she was that were you getting a a buzz from it were you was that a sense of relief what was it an escape all right the best way I can explain it you see self harming yeah it's like self mutilation and I've done it myself and I know other people that do it even to this day so once you've self harmed you've released even though there's blood day big gash in your arm you're like you're right so me going into a post office kicking the door from going in jumping over nabby national before they could shut us up like for me that was adrenaline so just imagine everything in slow motion you're moving normally but you're everything around you slow motion and then bang soon as you've got all the money and you're out first step onto the street this is back to normal again quick get away and you're gone now organize gangsters or robbers of whatever you're going to call them don't have a get away vehicle or a car motorbike because we were so young kids teen like not even teenagers like 13 or whatever it was 12 13 14 yeah so we'd go in the London underground and because we were so small back then you didn't have to have a a card when you think most of the people just opened the little barrier thing up oh you guys you this young come on come on go to school make sure you do your school so we're in nice bridge sometimes we're not full street sometimes we're in basal swiss cottage now all of these places are posh places so i'll give you a story me and my friend jacob we were out there we knew we were going to do something that day so there's a pristina west opposite uh what's it going to say opposite um bless you sir thank you there's a pristina west opposite harrods yeah so what we did we got in there quick very very quickly jumped over account like i said just hold the door yeah and i've gone in there and i've just cleaned the whole drawer i think had about probably six six thousand pound so we ran out of there ran it into harrods yeah took the clothes off that we was wearing bought new clothes often he bought a machine or outfit and i bought a sachi suit and we've changed them dumped our clothes in the bag that we bought them with and then walked out with sunglasses on just like that you know the guy in the nice bridge underground he was like oh you guys look so cool man know what are you celebrities so i backed out some money and i said go on there's five hundred quid there he goes thank you thank you thank you like there's no need to thank us you'll see us tomorrow and he did what is the first thing you went to prison uh first i went to prison um i was 14 14 i was actually 14 years old yeah what was that for that was for a pile of robberies yeah en there was no getting out of it because because of my age yeah i got arrested say 10 times four robberies yeah and they they were giving me bill so i'm thinking okay understand they couldn't put me in felton and they couldn't put me in a secure unit because every time they did stanford house and glen for a new treatment center in berman them like they couldn't handle me so i was smoking cocaine i was smoking weed in my room and then one day i think what happened i kicked the door through into my room and it's hit i remember a staff in the face and they've just they've had a big stash down there and we've been ten minutes they said look we need to we need to just take you out for a cigarette outside i've gone outside you go push me so what are you doing i've looked around i'm out i'm back out i've just i've not i've not even been happy i've just thought okay i'll just get a bus home and it was in the middle of the night so by the time i managed to get home like i'd already been planning to do another robbery by myself so brikston i got back obviously no one did see me everyone's thinking about always gone he's never getting out gone into the barclays i've seen someone there like a sack i didn't even know there was money in it he smiled at me i smiled it in back took that and there was four there was four grand in 25 notes in there hoe was your grand dad still living at this time my grand dad he wasn't happy back then so i wasn't going to the pub anymore i was now just did you feel a shame though at that time i did yeah i did and i knew that if i when i did go to prison eventually even though i didn't really believe it he wasn't manifesting in my mind properly like uh yeah i did four i'd never see him again you know he doesn't he doesn't do visits because he cries and all that so you know i'll never see him ever again how much does that play a massive part on your head over no not the only man probably in your life that's ever going to do anything for you to try and make you give you the opportunities to then kind of fucking at all do you know what i mean kind of gone against that is that difficult for that's for anybody watching it's want to be a criminal or do bad things there's always that light out there that somebody wants to help you and then does that play a massive part on your head yeah yeah it does it does it please please a massive part because like my name is over op eddie yeah and my grand dad was called over op eddie as well on his first grandson you know he got like say 12 grandkids for in grandkids and i was in uh woodill and he was at the pub one night and i think he had had a big win on the horses i think he was 750 000 pound so he was drinking i think you know them jamaican rums but the one that he had was 100 volume so he's knocking it back as these jamaican people do and he fell over and he broke his neck so yeah he didn't die he never died but he was paralyzed for him the neck down you know so the last time i spoke to him he says when you almost to see me and he says uh i said i was soon soon soon but i knew i knew he was going to die he died the next day so uh yeah i was on the csc at the time uh i was on the association and uh yeah playing a couple games of pool it's hard it's hard did that make you angry after that it made me angry because my parents my nan and my mum had said he was in the hospital but he just heard he showed a carrying a barrel from the um ton to the seller from the brewery so i had no idea uh but then i think the year before christmas parallel times uh i was in mysel and i had to come up from the board more not too long ago so i had the state of the art um acoustic solution stacks so it was like a cd db amplifier and big speakers so i had that in mysel yeah and i was listening to um your christmas songs on the other jose michael won last christ yeah wow and i just started crying and i was sitting in in the corner of mysel for about three hours just rewinding it back and yeah i did and there was an officer that worked there simon very nice guy they're all nice to me in there really and um i was in his music so i rang my bell and i said look put some hot water through the side of the door so what you do you get like a piece of plastic like a piece of paper but that's laminated and he like folded like a funnel and then he gets the water and pours it into my cup so i said thanks man so then i just started crying again for my granddad and he's come back again anyway he's done that about 15 times through the night i didn't sleep he actually stayed up with me just to make sure that i was all right and when he came to the morning he refused to go home he says i'm not going home to a knowledge so i know he's not suicidal or whatever and yeah ja he was a lovely person and that's what happened so by the time my granddad did die i had already cried a river was that a release for you yeah yeah would you suicide with yourself in prison uh yeah yeah i've had like probably uh three suicide attempts some of them up apart from the three with this like cries for help which i got even though i didn't get the mental help help i got the help from the officers as well and what you gotta remember is the governors that worked there the ones in suits expensive suits the females the males like some of them knew my granddad from that little you know so yeah my mum came up to visit me and uh i was in the block i was on closed visits i had a positive drug test for herring and cocaine an ecstasy so i was on closed visits so i spoke to a governor and i said to him look can i grab a open visit he goes give me your mum's number and i will do that for you i gave him my mum's number he never said nothing to me i will later pedi visit have gone out there open visit everyone's out there he's come and he said this is pedi angela why do you know my mum's first name he never met her before the first time she visited me there so anyway he's taken her to a room like a side room for about five minutes when she came out she said look see this governor here he said if you give them one 28 days of no drugs no violence they'll ship you out to whatever prison you want wherever you want and yeah i got back to the wing i had a i think i had some herring and it's when that chance was gone so at 21 you got six years stabbed a man through the fruit and how long did you do in prison after that all in uh 21 so i would say another 15 16 years on top of that and then remember i said to you when we were coming in i done like another three years like in the open hospital so yeah because you're brand broad more yeah how long you're in broad more for i mean i went to two years the first time and then six months then two years yeah yeah yeah so the mental health side of things you was at your bank knows well i'm dying not to skip so effective disorder so basically that's a rapid new change voices hallucinations and you can smell things as well so i might smell the best perfume in the world maar er is geen smel daar maar ik kan smel sewage maar er is geen sewage dat is altijd verhaal ja so wat is die doel dat is dat dat begon wanneer ik eerst went toe keeneel so i was 16 is die drugs play a part in dat uh het boeit on maar ik denk dat het goed was want ik heb genoemd in weeden in prinsen oud voor de hele tijd so you know from 14 to 16 before this whole incident happened i was fine but then i got some some cracking and i probably smoked five or six pieces of it and after when it was finished i was cool walking in the morning i had a split for weed and i was fine a month later it was just like my eyes were like that i was running up and down the landings people were trying to sleep at night and i'm at my door lying down on the floor of my pillow there saying look somebody of anybody just say insult me so somebody was here i shut your mouth over or suck your mum so they say that was at one o'clock in the morning yeah i would still be at that door until eight o'clock just just saying it so in everybody's mind yeah at one o'clock jubile was all having this little banner at the door it's only banter it's not serious but then at five o'clock you're trying to sleep now but he's still going on and then eight o'clock the door's open and that is crazy for somebody to go to sleep there having a nightmare waking up and the nightmare is still there for me personally that that's next to going to hell do you see in the head yeah so you were hearing voices they seen things i was seen yeah this i'll tell you what i saw first thing that i saw yeah i saw someone that i knew a powerful person and he had the only granddad captain slim ones and he was down here and he was running past myself and i saw that and i think you are that's kind of mad but i'm believing it's real and then i looked at my door and my door was painted red and just imagine look like that i could see the image of the devil in that door so instead of being scared i've got my cell chair i've just stared at him and he's talking to me he's saying like yeah you're you're one of my childs en hel say en hel lucifer en i'm just thinking i've been chosen for to be a part of this now and i'll never forget that time but then an hour later i saw on top of the image there there was another one on top and you look like jesus like long hair paid in that and that one scared me but the devil one didn't why do you think that is used to chaos used to pain suffering yeah that's what it is but then the devil i call i'll put it like this i've been saying this to a couple of people that that theory that understand the intellect yeah the devil offers you yeah whatever you want in this life yeah you can have a Ferrari you can have diamonds you can have whatever you want but then god promises you all of these things when you die but the devil's offering it to you now so if you choose to live that your paradise now which is really hell and not wait that's up to you if you're in hell and you're meant to be in a fire you're meant to be burning with chains if you're going to be scared of that you're already dead so what if you're burning on whatever the reality is for some people i don't think that in now but at that time the reality is that burning and torturing and that that's pleasure so what about when you've done that what about the next day yeah did you tell anybody uh i i told as i know you're an intelligent very intelligent man james there was a guy called sterling i can't remember his first name en he was bonkers i mean i was bonkers but he was bonkers but it's sort like a stupid bonkers because he was sort of like doing stuff like that but i've gone downstairs and he says i've got something on my door so i said like come and have a look and it was the same image that i had in myself the devil but there was no jesus there so from that day he stopped acting mad he would never act in mad again he went down the gym his arms were like that and i said you're right yeah so the last time i saw him he went i'm fixed i've been set free but the thing was we were he was 16 i was 16 yp's i met him in long larten on peri red and um i think that was in 2011 and he was still there still doing the same things and then the last thing i'll say on this point he says i want to talk to you i've got a bit of gear in myself let's have one for your time sake i've gone in there sat down he's closed the door because you can look the door from the inside there and he said look at the door what do you think was there jesus the devil again so yeah and he was diagnosed as a schizophrenic so when you see all that stuff in here voices who says it's not real who says that's that's what i'm trying to say but then as somebody to say it was the other fellow you was talking to that one for that i told you at sterling people are that it's mediocre but then if i'm saying it here i could probably prove it because i can tell you three things now if you get a candle one candle yeah one incense whatever flavour and it's a full moon if you go into a mind state where you're thinking about one thing you're just repeating the same word over and over again so that word might be hel say and or hel lucifer yeah you can send stuff to other people but you can only do it on a full moon so dracola all these people dracola was like uh he was a king in pennsylvania his wife his wife died and he got a sword and he stabbed it through the image of jesus there's many different myths about it but that's when he became dracola so if i can say to you that i've seen the devil or i'm looking at that light and i can see him right now yeah that's to be believed because everything about me every single thing is different to everybody else and my mom said to me when my granddad died obviously my granddad left me a bucketload of money i think it was like 799 000 pound so as he said when you was born there were demons flying about when you were born en when i was three years old she said to me uh i was in a program called rose me baby rose me rose me baby it's a film it's about an actor struggling actor in america he tells his soul and they move to her mansion and uh she gets pregnant so she's going to be belly and all that but then before the baby's showing properly uh it shows lucifer impregnating to actually see him having sex with her and there you've got other people holding her down spreading he goes on he's whatever so um when the baby's born it actually is satan's son do you ever believe that you may be cursed or do you believe in black magic stuff like that all that kind of stuff over yeah i believe in it because i've got a friend there i can say his name because obviously he's well known he's a very nice guy mark lambie yeah um one of the best gangsters that i've met is that the west hand man talk them on talk them talk them on talk them on them yeah yeah yeah yeah so you've got to talk them on them tmd and you've got a shower i get on my phone with them because yeah we've been in prison they know me i've been on the road you know and we're always all good so in meenem was talking and his eyes yeah his eyes his pupils they're red like glowing red so we vended up in the seag he's come down there for a phone i'm down there for the crime scene that i created we are split enough as he said open i hate him nine times with a piece of wood i was trying to break the piece of wood on his head but he wouldn't break so anyways i've gone down the seag so he's in there something he looked land on the come on man put something under your door because he had nothing no tobacco he had um he had nothing in his cell they were treating them like they're what you say a little man so i'm like all right cool when i come out i'm in the country down to pull it under be ready so i'm going to deserve what like nice screws wrapped around me i've opened these flap here he's one like that and remember i said it's not big but it's enough to look into i swear down on my life right now i couldn't see nothing but he looked like the twinger that's it it's all i could see and the other ring on like that at the ring on and all i could see was that so remember i've got the nine numbers they're pushing me to go when i'm hanging on to the door like i'm just trying to fix so from that day he told me a little secret and obviously i was getting like books and stuff like that and reading now if someone says to me how do you how are you able to talk like a professor or you know about all different subjects i'll give them an answer but it would be an indirect answer but by the time if you know me and i reveal certain things to you that answer that i gave to you is the last answer that i will give to you so i'll give an example someone i'll say to somebody how do you keep a secret you're going oh i don't know this don't tell anybody i says uh this reveal an even bigger one and they couldn't the person just couldn't understand till this day and with the black magic i got out and uh i want to serve my sisters to see a friend down there lambi link me up with a bird down there beautiful chick yeah so anyway so anyway i've gotten in there and there's a guy there and he's saying the ratio the ratio is smoking something you see the smell well i thought i'd never smell it so um he says rude boy i want to show you something like that he had a glock he went bang and i looked at him and he was smiling he went it's back the bullet out and there was just a little bit of blood threw the bullet away and he says do you want to be like me i says i'd love to be like you but i'm trying to stay on my religion now and i want to do what's right but there's no point in somebody doing religion if they're doing it for somebody on earth you have to do it for god so i would say without sounding like a hypocrite of anything i believe in Islam but i'm still going to be real about the other side of things as well because you can pray five times a day which is obligatory to do that and read the Quran call to the mosque eat with your brothers and sisters from Islam it's a beautiful religion but at the same time with the devil you can contact him whenever you want and when it's a full moon dat's when he gives you the power to do what you want yeah it was a blood moon a couple of nights ago yeah so so how did you end up in brodmo oh okay brodmo is that we hearing things uh no no no nothing to do if you haven't met lunis there was nothing to do about lunis that time i think uh i mentioned it to a couple of people the other day i came back van the csc which is a close circuit centers so close supervision i came back after six months and i went back on to the wind call sweet and i had some watches sent in to me because you're allowed to have watches in your woodill so um my adopting mum Sharon she's a occasion lady and she looked after me so she visited me with her husband martin and then my little sister um Nicole en they came on the visit so when i've got back to the wing they said look there's two watches there there was an aco masters and there was a diamond brightening watch that i had obviously acquired so i've got to put the watches on and the next day they see them back to lond larton so i'm like yeah got back on to the wing nothing changed apart from one thing you got the tambi's world's guys on there for li rasha uh shepherd chat the three of one there so when i've gotten there i'm like i'm loud when i'm when i'm when i'm in my element i'll be as loud as i want so this guy is always screwing me like i'm looking at him and i'm like what you saying bro nothing so i can tell this guy hates me want to go you want to cut my throat so anyway um i've he said to me no i'm cooking tonight i'm cooking a big dinner in on the review so i've told all of my own people that my my muslim brothers and friends and family don't cook for me tonight cause he's cooking for me bro like he cooked pork i don't eat pork so i banged up and obviously he doesn't knock on the wall tell him about my music he was on a little bit so i said you know what let me come out brother yeah that's it you're you're going up you're going up there or down there i'm going to put you there right now so you know you've come out joffices i've let everybody out apart from anyone that i'm connected during the wing so uh like i said like they haven't let him out and the kids fight it downstairs blah blah blah blah going down he's broken my jaw on both sides and i've this i've chefed him and he's spewed out he went into shock and then he collapsed and straight away they said look walk to the block or we're going to drag you there so once again i'm in the block so i'm thinking all right call it be a nicky in the court case and then i'm cool morning four in the morning of the i was sleeping i didn't care about what happened bang they've come in they've thrown grip you know that grip that you do the road drift when it's snowing they've thrown that all over me put me on the floor drag me through it put me in the figure four hold slifting me up and cuff me put me in a cnr van with a nurse and straight to broodmoor what was that like but what going there or going there going there for me on the wing yeah for me um it was nerve wrecking why did you do so much damage and say they're not outside well um you mean like violence or i think because money is glamorous so if you're living a glamorous lifestyle to what is that is that yeah you know in the jeopardize that and if you want something you want somebody done you just say all right cool there's two grand there you know you know even over two when you come back you know like it was broad more than when you were going there how was that experience it was it was nerve wrecking but the same time i'm thinking this and it's a bit of excitement as well was there any medication then you on anything then oh yeah oh because you're on tranquilizer's on you tranquilizer yeah yeah clausapine which is the fucking knockout it's mad it's mad so you're on 250 but they've upped it since you were out to 430 is that correct yeah yeah well it is uh clausapine is a drug that breaks your white blood cells down it can do so you have a blood test every month so you got green amber and red if you're green you're okay you get amber reblo test within 24 hours if it's red stop it or why the next day you're dead so if i catch a cold and whatever i would just start a cough splutter cough blood up that's it please from the nose that's me gone so to even beyond it is it's a lottery ticket because you can either win a cut the quid or you can win 10 million pound so if any fire was ever hospitalised for a red blood uh flag and it wasn't done in time or notified then it would be like a golden lottery ticket what happens if you don't take those tablets one day one day without them and uh it'd be hell on earth mentally or for other people for every for everything mentally that clausapine it takes effect if i go back to my house now when i take 300 i'll be sleeping within 10 minutes but it's a nice sleep it's not like a horrible sleep when i wake up i work off you have a nice roll up i'm ready for the day i miss it for one day and that's why i'm always being watched because one day and that's it everywhere do you think you could go on a kevins pretty um a killing spree for me personally um that's something that an idiot would do yeah not so not a i'm not a mad schizophrenic or somebody that's been cured from schizophrenia but then can have a relapse so i would just think i found with somebody that i love for instance here i've mentioned some names already uh and something happened like somebody came to their car whatever i would just be like cool go out there brown bread straight away brown bread and i wouldn't care day like night i don't care but in this frame of mind i would never do that so broad more back to broad more when you were going there from the wing going there how old were you i was 26 26 a young age what was experience like there in with some of the biggest fucking killers and pedophiles and fucking all everywhere under the sun out there i would say yeah it was terrifying but then i got of the van yeah they said to the prison officer to uncover him and get out of here they basically just have been pissed off we don't want you in there we're in charge of him now so they were called i had singapore noodles from my first meal and it was cooked just for me so i'm walking with them to the water going to get my food i'm not in the crazy golf course crazy golf course i'm thinking this is crazy it's like stepping into alice in wonderland like like like like seriously literally seriously it is so i've gone in and yeah i've seen that and he goes do you want to go swimming tonight i said like would you mean what swimming on the tv they says no do you want to go swimming there's a swimming pool here so i said yeah yeah of course so they went straight away after you know and a little sleep medication quite a to have medications to start with they put me on new stuff not injection tablets and liquid i've gone into a sports arena yeah there's a like an olympic swimming pool in there so i've got like my case fighting shorts on because i don't i don't my property yet so my case fighting shorts on i've got six like gold chains around my neck two diamond chains rings earrings and that watch dat i told you about the chronograph one so i've got into the pool and listen this will make you laugh the the swathing ledger staff there yeah most of them are female like i would say there's 15 females and about five males they were walking around the swimming pool uh like it was bay watch imagine that so if anyone in the pool actually needs help or whatever they're going round walking round twice en they're sitting on high chairs watching and i put my goggles on and i've gone under the water but i've not swam so did you went to a lady called alison love you lady she said to me why are you going under the water you're in the shallow end you're not going to swim or you're just going to this day stand there in poles i went down and now i'm just wanting to look at my watch under the water because it's a knackle master this one is here beautiful it looks under the water that there impressed us so much we became friends and i still speak to her now when i go back there to work because you've seen peter suckcluff in that oh yeah peter do you see as i get into a coat yeah yeah i was there yeah yeah uh that day there yeah for me uh was like a scene out of a um silence of the lamps you know anti knee hopkins yeah yeah yeah it was because the thing is yeah the guy who done it yeah oh talking to him just before it's a big dinner night tonight and it's steak it's a cauliflower steaks there's chips and peppercorns so peter is there sitting down going like this and he's just he's walking up and down like angry so i said sit down sit down man he goes i don't want this for you don't want liver so there's liver you know you have to order that from the kitchen they probably be tomorrow now so he looked at me he goes no that's what i did i cut someone i dis him about somebody and i hit the liver so i'm like bro like you want to talk like that yeah leave me along so i'm having my food later on we'll talk about all your your mad killings and all that yeah i won't say his name because obviously you know but he's in having it so he's come up behind suckcluff held him there took his eye out with a fork and hit it so the nurse is standing there like that and pass from the eyeball was going into her face she's ran off the world all the stuff ran off the world left all the patients there so i was i don't give a shit man i'm seeing my dinner now peter is there scrying the cold of the eye is still connected to him there like you know it was just it was savagery but then once i saw that in right in front of me i defaulted to myself i can't never be on point in there so every day that i was there i always walked to myself what is the last thing you're going to think if one of these psychopaps kill you let it be about god let it be about your mama or your family your granddad because you don't know when you're going to die what was it like having conversations with them over it was it was good it was good they know they're not mad they're not mad like that anymore now they're uh they're very intellectual some of them do columns in some papers under another name some of them are millionaires some of them their rooms are state of the art some people live in broodmoore better than what most some people live outside it's got everything there was a time in your life when you started hearing voices and seeing things when you had to admit that okay maybe there is something wrong well when did that come for you would you mean in hospital or just in general did you realize that okay this is about too much maybe i need some medication yeah how hard does that to admit that there is maybe something yeah going up here upstairs yeah 100 percent that's a very good question well it was the same day that that happened i started hearing voices right away so while i'm eating my my food the voices are coming at me from everywhere so now you've got kenny erskine the stalker of strangler uh he raped old women and men back in the 80s he was there on there uh and there's a guy called dante plant that wasn't his original name but what's his real name called he's dead now killed himself uh nappa robert nappa uh the ratio of kill women in common i think it was he was there and i'm the thing to myself right now yeah i'm hearing voices all you people in on this all you nasty people yeah anything wrong you look at me wrong you step on my shoes anything yeah i'm going to kill all of you that's what i thought i'm going to kill every single one of you and i'm not going to fuck about it uh and uh yeah i think after that is sort of people felt the energy from me so everybody started conforming for the whole hospital remember we've talked about the most serious people there but there's over there's over a thousand patients there and there's over a thousand members of staff you know so you snippets of broodmoor you get little snippets but then they would say to you anybody that goes there you've been chosen to come here it's not a punishment whatever happens you hear is for you to get out eventually that doesn't matter you could be doing a million years their intention there all the powerful people in this country will get anybody from that position out i've seen killers multiple murders do five years in there and walk out and go to redding and go to shopping why is charlie bronson never been let out if he's never done a mota ah i would like to mention charlie charlie is a gentleman charlie is a legend yeah when i've been with him in broodmoor for a short time only a short time and i was living in the csc and he just doesn't like officers number one yeah he will say hello and whatever people like but he doesn't like him so when we roll out in the association he'll just walk up and down not intimidating way and then you go in the phone it will happen down do that for an hour but when he's in the gym what scares them because he can do i think it's a hundred and thirty press ups in a couple of seconds and then he gets the heaviest medicine bowl and he does sit ups and he throws the medicine so bang bang to remember you're hearing boom it's like a gun going off or bomb so every other every session that he does the medicine it splits open because he's that he splits he's hit it so hard it splits open so they're terrified but they don't show it they can't show it so i think they would say if we let him out into the community um he would probably do something to somebody so bad because he's strong so so strong um i don't think anyone could take him out outside i mean i ain't scared of him but i know mickey peterson charles bronson he's the most fearless warrior fister fist than anybody i know i remember all the books that he's written yeah some of them under an alias um all of the um things he's done yeah he spoke to me about all of them showed me all the books gave me copies and he actually was about to get out and he he punched a gob in the face because of me it was christmas out with him everybody's happy because we're getting a big dinner they got trays of everything he's getting me emotional because i wish he didn't do it because he would have got out he was doing me the drawing you know he's a famous artist and he done me too um he said look oh that's for you um i said one to your mama one to like my mom sharon my wife for some mom and said one to your real mom no dad so i've done that but then as i'm going to post them the governor said no you're not doing it and he says why because he says these are going on ebay for a lot of money we don't want in we don't want you to get in the publicity from it and blah blah blah dat upset him really bad so i think we banged up and they feel like they banged the governor in his face stunned him knocked him clean out uh and yeah they took him back to the cages for that you know so i think he was just about to go to the court of appeal for his appeal case and they were going to give him a fair chance so yeah charlie i love you man i think that's coming up again this year and next year he's appeal i had them on the phone just a few weeks ago i couldn't see anything they would have cut the phone call off but it was his son um i wrote down a couple of questions so he could ask but if i says anything they're just fucking cut the call off is that he's um but hopefully he gets out but you think there's a bit of fear there is well over where people been in institutionally so long that they're scared and they actually cause a bit of damage before they get out i would say yes because i've done that myself many times this is what he's still sabotage you get that close to getting out en he go backwards and then you're actually happy and you get to that point again you can do that a thousand times but because charlie is so intelligent yeah that was a case years ago it's not now so whatever happens with him he ain't going to let nobody insult him he ain't going to let enough is uh um not feeding properly you know so they know what he's like so if you know that somebody doesn't like something why the hell are you going to keep doing it because you know what you're going to get in brick in broad more if it kicks off do people get the injection fast or how does it work there's a people always on standby when there's people eating dinners how does it work all right cool um after after um sorry after six months there they say look we want you to come and work with us here now we're not workers and members of staff are in their training so it's called pnva problematic violence team to them in the league team so they're basically a a muffie squad like with shields and all that they come through yeah but they don't hurt you though but they're more powerful than the prison service cnr so you know like if the bell gets pushed like and they're there like that it's like they live outside of every wing every ward in the in the hospital so um i've seen it pressed and i've seen them come on and people have had a goal but then they're down and when that injection goes in by the time they ring the figure four and they stand up they're out they're like like that now it's happened to me twice and i think i'm the only person that actually defeated them the only person and i was in my room i was on seclusion and i was saying when am i going to be my door is going to be open because it's been three four days now i've been good when you let me out so she's the nurse said to me i'm just going to go and see the the nursing charge and we come back below open your door so i'm like let me so i've kicked the little girl on the door and the girls have gone through so there's a gap there straight where they're there they're at my door and i could see i could see like at least 17 18 of them and they're like rugby players and there's one woman there as well she's also there so they've opened the door and i've got out so we're i'm throwing punches on whatever whatever i'm hitting their visors but then i've got one of around the neck and i'm just lying on the floor with him like this and then that they're doing his nasal distraction respect is like that's painful but i couldn't feel it they done the one here got a pressure point here so he's digging his finger in there and i've just caught him like that and i actually put him to sleep and he injected me and i fell asleep within my in my arms hoe lang jookfouden they inject you it's not a sleep like uh when you don't wake up so i'll sleep for about nine hours what will cup hide the dream as i'm between sleep for another 12 hours and then on the third day it was starting to wear off they let me out i was slurring let me out yeah yeah what king what is that what is that it's called akifake suspension so you know what suspension means like levitating so when they give it to you you act when you're sleeping if you're floating in the air that's how powerful it is so then they mix it with the icy band did you ever surround yourself with these kind of men like some of them serial killers and think to yourself what the f**k am i doing here or did you feel as if you f**k you down yeah as long as you went in for pedophilia or rape yeah you are good with me you are good and yeah it's fitting in because okay i mean that people people like they like to associate with people like them in it like in that sort of situation so if i was outside now right now in this present time yeah to 21 i would ever be around people like that but then if i'm going to the west end clubbing i want to be around the people that are doing the clamor stuff and looking good but then don't answer your question fully i would say like being in there with them multiple killers cannibals people that have eaten people's intestines everything everything like for me i would shill out with them all day and all night because there's no lock up in there you don't have to go to bed you can stay up for 10 days if you want go to sleep for an hour come back out so prison is no longer an issue and you'll promise something better after that so as i said earlier sometimes in this life you can have forbidden pleasures or things that are wrong but you can enjoy them now even though some of them have done the worst crimes on the planet was there any of them you ever felt you're actually a good person even though it's a f**ked up question but you're not i mean like even though they've killed 15 people or whatever and then you're speaking how could you do that you're actually okay but was that because they're so psychotic you shield it well how does it work in there could you see through it because i like to study people like to understand people and how they function and how they do it and i always believe everybody has goodness at the start of their life certain things that trigger them to go down that path nobody knows where it is but did you ever sit around the dinner table having a conversation you're thinking how are you in here yeah definitely i think uh his name was Patrick Riley and he was scottish as well but he was a nice very lovely guy elderly so i used to talk to him used to do art together because he's a brilliant artist i used to do like abstract i'm a good at abstract drawing very very good so i was talking for like two years and i was waiting for me in the art class one day i got steak chips and lamb chops and like no cream sauce of garlic and onions and mushrooms so i'm waiting for me like so you know where's where's the part man the food's getting cold because he's dead he died this morning and that's the only person i've ever felt any compassion for because whatever he did here like he didn't deserve that he didn't deserve to die like that you know he was castrated chemically in broodmoor so he wanted things anymore you know so i miss him and i know somebody that killed somebody in there and the guy had been there since he was 16 and i think he died when he was 78 or something like that and uh he had no family that lived all his family so they buried him in broodmoor and he walked past his tombstone every day and that night when there's a full moon there's bats that fly around the land when he's a tombstone so for that yeah for that reason i'll just say yeah it's a lot it's a lot it's a lot it's really really a lot so how what's your connection then with film moons and stuff what is your connection with like film moons and all that stuff if you always felt a presence with no no no always no just recently or just i would say for the last five six years yeah well it is yeah i have seen it from hill raiser yeah cool i watched that when i was a kid the first one with when pinhead was born yeah and i was always amazed because i mean i saw the next one years later and it was me in yammy that i watched it we didn't watch it with him we was in london in the morning somebody gave me the whole trilogy one two and three so he's knocking on my door saying come on man let's go and do where the hit going on so i'm saying no i'm in myself so i'm just watching this with these and i understood all of it because hell is um it's a labyrinth it's not like a hole like a hole in the in the floor and going through each door is like going into a hotel or a nightclub and pain pleasure people do that now bdsm and all that whipping and slapping and suffocation now if you look at the center bites pinhead en all the rest of them what they're wearing that black stuff and all that that spikes going all the way through their body and they loved their outfits so like i said earlier to reiterate myself to repeat myself if you're dead yeah why are you going to be scared about pain why you're already dead you're not going to die again are you you know i'm i read a book it's called mckay and pike their scottish office albert mckay albert pike they read i read a story about nabak nike dusch and it's a true story he went to hell yeah and he spoke to the devil and he said look i know that you're you're the or like the person of the light for everywhere so the devil said to him he said yo i'm going to set you free so what you actually did how they prescribe it in the book is that he used the devil to travel back to earth as a ladder so you've got the term jacob's ladder that's what they come to on nike dusch he was a 33 degree mason uh night in the template so i would just say that experiencing what i experienced on the full moon if i choose to you know do whatever whatever that's my choice and like i said i am religious as well en i've got a strong belief in alarm which is an Islamic name for god but at the same time i'm not a hypocrite i'm seeing what i can see i'm seeing what i can do and i'm seeing what i've done you know you have something here cut off here and that piece is gone from your mind there and then you get another bit of your brain working yeah then that means you're using a totally different part of your brain it's like being born again and seen through different eyes so the last the last example i give to you the cheapest creepers yeah whatever part that demon once when somebody could be a leg you'll be their eyes you go with the hair he takes it off and he digests it and then he gets it so his eyes will turn black or they'll turn blue or they turn green he's here might go black he might be in afro he might be black so i think with actors films the real family in that it's not a thing about having power or being able to do things that nobody ain't it's been aware of what you can do not you can't and people will naturally i will gravitate towards you or they will gravitate away and with my friends and family that i've got i'm happy with that you know and anyone else i meet like yourself yourself sir like it brings joy to my heart because it shows that the people that i attract to share their time with are good people you know so if i was a bad person i wouldn't be able to come in to like a multi million pound hotel you know and that's it share your story yeah how does one get out of broad more well is that a long process no no it's eight years minimum but then that's a rule of thumb it's all basically if you do therapy which your dialectical baby therapy dbt and cbt cognitive baby therapy and there's another one called the homicide group so you have to do it every day so you have like 20 serial killers there and we all have to sort of like talk about things we done how's that experience it's fine really i enjoyed it talking about killin someone is that they feel like a sense of a weight lifted off your shoulder because a lot of people can bottle that stuff up of not speaking about the trauma that we've caused on to others yeah is it make it easier speaking around other people who've done the same things like going in any AA meeting or a GA meeting with other people on the same boat and can understand yeah definitely i think what you said there it's a knell on the head because i think that when people don't talk about things it stays inside so you know you can grow up into an adult with all this pain that you've buried and you'll treat somebody bad because of it so if a man is treated bad by women when he's a kid when he grows up he's going to be a wife beater where i say if somebody like say i they could say you something say somebody's a rapist for instance yeah nine times out of ten for the people that i've met and i've just sort of like a little bit of the sp to find out what's going on with them they say the reason why i've done it is because i was raped when i was a when i was a kid so i did it back to somebody else or that's what made me my desires want to do that and that's that's going to be true remember the people that work there they're all phd's they're not they're not mikimans doctors who read from my textbook they can look into your eyes and tell you about your whole life in 30 seconds that's how good they are so when you started when did you realise you were getting out abroad more what age uh i went the first time so 20 28 28 when you were leaving some maybe a silly question but would you miss it would you have missed it uh i missed it i missed it straight away as soon as i came up again and where did you go after that i went to a medium secure hospital in bricson what's the difference it's not a lot really same people because you most people don't walk out the gate in broadmore a few do but then all the people that i've met at the the medium secure in my hometown as well were broadmore patients so you only even once you can have takeaways when every night instead of like three times a week we can go out into the community and go to bricson go visits whenever you want how is that experience is going for the first time in 19 20 years are you nervous were you thinking about the sales sabotage again yeah yeah and that's that's what eventually happened so i got there and they put like a look a tank an electric tank around your legs so why are you doing this it says no because when we we let you go out we just want to run away we can just come and find you so that straight away mark we're going to do because i'm realising that i can go out as soon as this is fit in i can go out so obviously fit in they're going out and as i'm walking through the ground to get on to land or road which is in stock or bricson i'm nervous i'm thinking if i see anybody i know like they're going to finish some medication and that but i saw a couple of people that i knew cut the girls cut the guys and it was fine they're like well are you out now whatever it's been 15 years it's in here whatever i'm like yeah yeah i'm just at land or road for being myself for being out in six months like yeah man touch man boom or babe come on give me a hug man boom you're looking good but you've got to be with bed you know this is general shit so i'll just go over there go and buy some trainers whatever and then come back and i did that every single day for three months and then the self sabotage started because they said if you do another two weeks like this we're going to let you out early and sabotage it again what did you do stupid things stupid nothing serious i think i was having a smoke and this guy i looked after him look i took him under my wing but he was very ignorant and very rude so i said look bro i've given you a hundred of pounds off of cigarettes this week yeah you're on benefits you get like 200 pound a week in that from your ea c or whatever they call it and you want to eat my money that my mum gives to me so anyway it's just rude and i was looking you know what bang i was just chinding this left him on the floor so obviously the staff come the bell's gone off they've come i says look get the bus back to broodmoor yeah was i'm going to give you a reason to get the bus so they were like please this day you're like inches away this this incident doesn't matter we know he's a wind up merchant you know and i said listen get the bus i said one more time and it's all right cool ten minutes later the bus was there i packed my cake quickly they took a long time to pack my cake but i was doing it quick so he was half the time and yeah i went back to broodmoor so yeah what was that like so he crushed me i couldn't talk to anybody but for my mum she's in why did you do that or why did you go back he was out next week and i was like i didn't know i didn't say anything to put the phone down so it was crushing it was the worst thing that could happen to anybody that is had a sad life uh well part of a sad life or a dangerous life and then nothing to start all over again and you know you've got people that cared about you in broodmoor that have seen you back there they were expecting to take that for a drink or something if they can and how long did you end up back and forth say three and a half months because that's that's that's when the demonic side fully came out like what i've been there was one night because remember i'm sick i'm ill now i'm really ill because i had the red i had that time had the red result for my blood so the medication stopped and they forgot to write it back up again so i'm i ain't saying nothing to them it's their mistake so now i remember the full moon i was on my hands and knees i was skying like that looking up at the sky looking down like that and everyone was watching me on the on the world like 50 people watching me so i've stood up i've got a Gucci uh cold dry jacket on i've gone to get a cup of a cup of hot chocolate going to sleep now i think i said look smooth a bit forward for me please because you're standing too close to me and the guys turn around and go what are you what are you my dad so here we go so i had this i had this ring on here and i'll pull it on there spun around bang so i snapped his jaw and his cheekbone so he's on the floor like shaking he's got up adrenaline must have kicked in so he's got up en he slipped on his blood uh i think his nose was cracked as well he slipped again so i'm stamping on his head stamping stamping on his head i've lifted him up and i said to a cave fighter one guy there professional cave fighter i've gone finish him off and he's just written him off put him down and he says uh cool we didn't see what happened not saaf did we ever see what happened so anyway i feel like cool he's dead or whatever i don't care ended up in a seclusion cell they came for me that time big time big big time i got wrapped up injected i slept on the floor naked for two weeks and then five in the morning uh a truck not a van a truck came with a squad and took me back to wood hill csc what's word how like woody was the best reason i've been to why did they take you there because they knew they knew i wouldn't do anything bad there why is that so good for you because the people there um they actually care about you do you feel that who cares who doesn't yeah um they will say if i was angry not violent but angry they will say look we don't give a fuck about nobody else in this prison apart from you straight away you know and i would say all right cool it's calm straight down i remember once i came out canteen say the canteen's going to be here for another three hours i said look this is canteen time now i've got no tobacco so i said fuck you man i'm not banging up i'm not going to hurt none of you i'm not banging up they would like to go for a very important meeting from the prison minister so i said i'm not banging up you're going to be late so anyway they said come here come here and lady she gave me a hug as a prison officer and then i've released myself and then everyone's giving me a hug and i just walked back into myself i was fine en then as soon as i got back in there i heard but uh and 50 gram of unbelief under my door i said we we love you man and that was it so when did you start getting the days that you're going to get out after 20 years what do you mean getting out or more waiting to get out just to get out was a sales sabotage want to kick in again after 20 years over you ready this time ready once why i think 2016 yeah back at road more for the last time this time obviously my grandmother's gone there whatever they said to me look we're going to let you go with staff to see a nan in brixen and they took me to brixen and i saw my nan see obviously the pub was gone they had sold it on whatever the equity in that and they bought a little flat on question road which is in the brixen police station so i've gone in there en every was a brilliant time i had seven hours out with my nan she cooked food like rice peas oxtel chicken wings everybody ate you know and it was good and then on the way back they said what route do you want to go down i said this is driving me all the way round brixen and we just driving round you know and i thought no one's ever had these sort of like you know these little favors or how do you think you were getting those extra little perks to try because of my grandad yeah because of my grandad well connected yeah he's still connected to this day it's a bloodline innit it's about bloodlines it's all about who you are it's about your bloodline yeah so how was that driving round brixen for the first time in two years all right it was mad it was crazy was that a lot of motion go through your mind like seeing fucking mobile phones different cars different trainers crazy crazy mad because different hairstyles no when i saw it yeah i was like wow i've got so much catching up to do i mean it was overwhelming like my head was going because obviously i've kept up to the fashion side of things but more what i found google uh facebook instagram i don't think your instagram is like i don't even know what i thought it was i just knew that if you're on there you're like you've got good videos up there of your times out pictures or whatever it is like your get followers whether it's 50 or whether it's 10 000 but people or anyone that watch you you put the right videos on there and show them what you're what you're about first and foremost who you are they don't need to show off but sometimes people just want to share that experience and i've done that i've done that i mean i've only been on instagram properly for about two weeks once you put the trailer out for the because this is a fascinating story you're a fascinating character you've lived the life thank you and it's people be thinking fuck me man what a life he's lived but you're very well educated as well even though you went through abroad more even know you've done the shit that you've done like you're still you read a lot of books inside that no i didn't read a lot of books i'll tell you what i did i had to read obviously at some point but then i'll tell you this i don't will say to anybody else because obviously it's you know but then the richard vint is a very powerful man who works in the police in charge of the the security systems and all of the officers and all of the governors he's the head boss so he came to myself and this guy doesn't laugh you can tell him the funniest joke you can even even million quid if we will not laugh or smile so serious and i think he said look what do you want to do of course i said what he says um create writing poetry um you can even do a degree if you want so i was paid for by her majesty's prison for me to do a degree in psychology and i pass i said the biology as well and i'm sort of on the verge of getting ready to do the exams for psychiatry bang on the money then and that but you're very very educated from a young age as well yeah just um so when you got out for the first time what was that experience for you and it was daunting why because like i want you know like it doesn't matter how you who you are how you look or whatever if you haven't got confidence like everyone's on the fielder so you want obviously you've been away pop like for a long time you want you want female attention not this for sex there's this sort of attention you know you go back to your house you wanted to say you know what like babe come and lie me in the bed or whatever or let's have something to eat or let's have a coffee or bought the champagne and i didn't have the confidence to do that at all at all i've just gotten it back now after two years how does it feel to be still out after two years i'm proud yeah i said i said to my i said to like um one of my very very good friends last night and he's a lovely he's a lovely person muslim brother and i said to him next month a month a month today he's been out for two years and then a month after that i've been out for two years so he's like i like to identical and it's lovely where's the plans for the future then brother en for the future to be honest is to raise as much money as i can for charities mental health charities and brickstone for the people that are on cocaine and herring so i've taken in three different her like herring and crack addicts and i haven't given them money i've given them say i had to say you gotta say a 25 year old so i say look he's a micro cool jacket for you he's a Gucci t-shirt he's a bit of trainers and he's a bit of jeans as well and if you want to even give her a cap as well a hat and then i'll escort them back to where their parents live and i'll say look i've spoke to this person they i saw them coming out of the police station i've looked after them i'm bringing them back to you they've had the shower they've had something to eat now please try and look after your child or your daughter of your son and i've done that like i said three or four times now so that's my aim to do that and to give back and the biggest thing that i want to do is what that because obviously my my main person like as a friend brother is uh my brother Quincy yeah i to Quincy man big got puzzle puzzle puzzle mad man yeah yeah yeah yeah serious guy but there is other there's loads of other friends that i've got as well yeah that i love dearly yeah i will love them in different ways yeah but i want i want to bring everybody back together so all of the man them all of the ladies everybody and then we can just be in Brixton we don't have to go to west end we don't have to go to wells and all that to go clubbing and enjoy ourselves we can do everything in Brixton what's Brixton like now though Brixton's high class yeah Brixton's high class man i know a few boys from Brixton they are proper man that's solid to me say it is a mad community but very solid if you're involved in a loyalist fuck man that they won't miss a lot London London's a fucking tough place man so it's very tough place it's the same as Glasgow Manchester the Liverpool they're tough bastards but very hard it's just everybody's upbringing in it but if everybody could get together and show love and respect each other the world we're a beautiful place beautiful place what about how do you communicate how do you function with the medication you're on is there any way you can bring that medication down or is it got to stay the same it doesn't to be honest of you it doesn't really matter how much it is of the tranquilizer it doesn't make a difference because i'm going to get into a deep sleep anyway the only thing that i don't like is it takes me longer to wake up so instead of 10 minutes it's going to be 20 minutes the higher it goes it adds 10 minutes so to live with that for me is nothing serious but then if i drink that champagne for instance or a beer or some rum or whatever it is i can handle it so well because the medication is million times stronger than a bottle of 100 rum so well if i do have a drink most people lose their inhibitions they're stupid they might get into a fight they might fall in love with my mistake but me my focus is always there you know so i wouldn't say it's a double as you sold because like i said with the white blood cells but then apart from that and they're waking up in the morning it's okay do you think it saves your life this medication and other people's lives personally as well how do you know yamabish out in the you know you know yam you know you know yeah no yeah me uh i just got out of his cousin hailey uh beautiful beautiful girl beautiful girl so i started writing to her in frankend so there was a crime scene that was creating in frankend and so i got musty that there puts along lartin so i phoned her and she goes where you are saying you know lartin and she goes oh my cousin jammy is there like tell them that i'm sending him a card and you a card so i've got in there and i've told them what was your name oh we got right right right so straight away coming coming so we did i haven't spoken that and then from that day we were inseparable so what the schools did they say like cool these two are dangerous there's no point in having them in different landings because we can't watch them both with somebody you know it's in there so they put us in front of each other in cells so we are in there there's no toilets in yourself so they go off single nights and you press the button and when it goes green your door opens up and that's like from the time we look up to eight o'clock in the morning so we just come out buzzing off each other we hardly slept hardly slept tobacco that music tv when the officers started playing dvd through the whole prison tv so what we would pick a film or a box set soprano for instance which is like about a million years like uh to watch it takes hours and hours so we'd watch right so two or three of them a night and yeah it was good it was really it man it's a legend it's good to see him in a good place again back to what he does best man again very intelligent very intelligent great communicator can speak the lingo he's fucking obviously hut his wobble there but that happens as long as he's still in the prison which is the main priority but he's a fighter he'll be fighting back and he'll keep going yeah but don't stop don't stop for anybody watching brother that's maybe thinking again down the way that's maybe in the prison just now battling what advice would you give for them um i would say yeah like if this is somebody goes to prison yeah forget about the crowds man forget about having the mobile phone in prison and putting yourself rapping with a tower on your face on instagram or on on youtube because you're probably even for hurting somebody killing stabbing whatever it was yeah so if they're seeing you on instagram yeah then they know what you look like they know like what your beard looks like now they know when you're getting out because you're talking about in your drill music so when you come out what do you gotta do kon and this is easy is that it looks glamorous but it's not um i'll give you a call it's a guy called six seven uh you know tekeshe six six nine six nine so yeah six nine so he was talking uh he was like i'm only a minute and he says look he's other rappers all over the world even people that don't rap even people that like a seven year old can rap better than me but because of who i am they never have the money that i got they never have my success i'm a rubbish rapper that's what he said so if you're in prison and you're aspiring to be in the biggest star the biggest hitter yeah you're gonna fail because you have to live you have to raise your game to that height as soon as you get out so the best thing to do is go to education do a little bit of computer in it um maybe ask for a sponsorship so you can do like a degree in what you like you might if you like gym big muscles then maybe you can do like something in sports and leisure so when you get out in when you uh in your dcat or your probation you can say to them all right cool i've done these courses so can you let me out early so i can start doing these things outside so create create chances for yourself you know don't just be in there and uh these are like they're pagans or that's man's ups and that because out here in reality none of it is happening if all the people that do drill music here and i respect all of you guys here i respect all of you because you are beautiful artists but if they done even five percent of what they talk about they would be where i was yeah okay i've sort of thoroughly enjoyed this today bro i know thank you so much man thanks man okay and i want to see what you think about it say no more man thanks james thank you brother check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast thank you