 Thank you. Thanks. It's so great to be here. I'm very thankful for all the synchronicities and phenomena that enabled me to share a little story with you here today. So I'm Clark Shaw Nelson. You can follow along with the link there if you'd like to view the slides yourself or insert some comments. I'm taking off my assistant Dean Hatt today as the instructional design and admin at the University of Maryland School of Social Work in Baltimore. It probably took me longer to drive here than some of you to fly here I'm sure. I'm putting on my student voice hat. I'm a student as of a couple of years ago. I started on an online doctoral program in business administration and as I got it started in my in my studies as an online student I quickly found myself overwhelmed with the amount of reading materials PDFs articles and so on. This is not me but you know could be and and I started thinking I really need a way to to collect all this information better and a lot of what we're doing in my program is evidence-based management sort of writing papers and so on and synthesizing what you find in a number of articles. So you may read 10 articles or something like that and then compile a paper like most most classes in doctoral studies and of course a lot of people say oh you need a reference manager you know get Zotero or Mendeley and so on and Mendeley kept crashing on me and and but what I found was that the reference managers they did some good useful things for storing documents and citations and stuff like that and keeping some notes and highlighting some things but also I found that there are some things that it wasn't doing that what that weren't very helpful that I needed that I was looking for like easily searchable highlighting on documents or tagging things across documents so that it would help me write papers and so on. So I started you know thinking about well how can I go through all these papers and and highlight things that are common across all these different papers and then use that when I need to write my own paper kind of like you see here like you know these parts are green these parts are pink these parts are blue and so on and what I really needed to do is synthesize all of these bits and pieces down into a paper and so I couldn't do that Zotero wasn't really helping me out and so I thought oh that that Nate he's doing something interesting with with this new tool I wasn't even that new I'm kind of I'm kind of late to the party but so I'm thinking there's got to be some way that I can you know take these these notes and bits and pieces and kind of put them together under different categories and so on so that I can it'll help my writing essentially and so I made contact with Nate and I still had it in my Twitter direct messages so I forgot I'll just put that in there I was like you know hey I'm wondering if this if this project you're working on has something that I can use for tagging and highlighting and annotating on PDFs and storing them and searching for them and so on through journal articles and he was of course like yeah yeah you can definitely do a lot of that and and I went on saying well I've got all these PDFs that I highlighted in preview that I'd really like to you know just be able to like import or something and use those highlights well I couldn't do that necessarily but of course I can open those PDFs in the web browser and then open up the layer of on top of them to take annotations and highlights and so on and so enter hypothesis into my into my world thank you and it was exactly what I was looking for it turns out that I was able to basically create groups I just created a like a private group for each course that I was in so a way to organize myself so you know each of these DMGs is a different course that I was taking and then within each course I would have you know various tags for various things I was doing but the other thing I decided to start doing was the first annotation I would always take on every new PDF I would read or paper I would read would be the APA citation because in the program it's very important to do all your citations and APA format and so on and so that way I figured whenever I am writing my paper and I want to quote somebody or get an idea from our particular paper I'll have that citation you know right there along with all the other citations from that paper and of course I also tagged it with citations so I can easily just pull up the citation tag and see all of my citations or if I'm looking at a quote from a particular paper I can get back to that citation and just easily pop that into my reference list so in essence I've kind of sort of started using it to replace Zotero in a lot of ways because then I can go beyond that with all of these tags that I'm using and a lot of times I'm thinking okay I got to write a paper that's going to have an introduction it's going to have something on the methodology it's going to have something on the findings some recommendations it's going to have something on research design and so these all became tags that I would use across all these articles right so as I'm reading papers one through five I'm tagging this is going to be good for the introduction on this one and this is going to be good for the introduction on that one oh here's a good recommendation and so by tagging all of these things with limitations or findings or you know research design then as I'm writing the paper I can easily just pull up that that tag and say okay here's now I'm up to my findings here are all the things that I tag with findings across these 10 or 20 documents that I just read so that was exactly what I was looking for was a way to synthesize this to make it easier to write and especially when you need to cite all of these things with APA citations and so on so so again when it comes down to the writing I come to my recommendations tag then it lists here my five papers and I can just click on them and and get to those citations and you know I found it very useful of course this is a very you know unique to me sort of use case with the self-limitation that I'm not using a lot of the functionality that that could be there like collaborating with other students discussing things with other people using actual groups in the class basically I'm just doing it you know on my own but and of course it wouldn't be a Clark Shaw Nelson presentation without bringing up a few of my most wanted items my wish list of things that I'd love to see in the future so in offline mode where I can you know I'm on a flight or at the airport or whatever and I can still annotate on PDFs for example and then when I land and get on Wi-Fi again it'll upload those would love to be able to take things that I've already highlighted in preview on the Mac for example and then have those sort of translate although I'm sure it's proprietary enough that that may never ever happen but multicolor highlighting for different tags and for different people if you are working in a group I think would be really cool some of this probably already exists I'm learning things already this morning it sounds like there's some tools out there like John John's tool that will help with the interoperability and the compatibility with coding software like Max QDA and Atlas TI and deduce so that you could actually like I could read these PDFs I could be tagging them in hypothesis and doing all the stuff I normally do and then perhaps import that into a coding software so that I can do further analysis and so on with that I also think it'd be really cool to do some bulk operations like for example you know how so there's the APA citation which is good for the references but then all of the different things that I've highlighted if I could just add a tag after the fact that would go across all of them or I could choose a bunch and then sort of do a bulk operation to add a particular tag after the fact then I could have the actual you know parentheses inline citation I could add in there it make it even easier when I'm writing the paper to be able to cite the the author or something like that or moving things from group to group after the fact things like that so yeah that was pretty quick hopefully you know helps our time situation here as well and I'll entertain any questions you might have at this point. What's the URL for the slides? Oh the slide URL is v.ht slash hypothesis review and just as a note everybody who's presenting I'm going to ask you to either link your slides if they're already online to the program and if you can't do that email them to me and I'll put them in a place and I'll link them so they can be shared if you would that'd be great. Another question. John can you use the mic? Sure. I'm just learning what you would need for interrupt with Max QDA and and Bebo. What would that require? So typically what will happen is so I was using those for coding right for a systematic review and so if I had already read the articles in say hypothesis well so what I normally do now is without using hypothesis I would import those PDFs into the tool like Max QDA and then highlight things and basically add codes to it which are essentially tags and then what it does is it analyzes those codes and shows me how many you have across different documents and a lot of different analysis so I guess essentially what it would be would be some way to sort of import everything I've done in hypothesis the tech where the tags would become codes in that software. So you'd have to match the import format for each of those tools. Yeah, yeah, I don't use one standard import there's each one has its own format. I guess so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and in this case like I've just been experimenting with each of those so like I use deduce for one class and then I use Max QDA for a different one so I haven't really chosen one but they're all pretty similar in terms of they're basically highlighting and coding and stuff like that. Hi, thank you for this my name is Jillian I'm actually the product manager for EndNote so you're talking about things that are very up my street so you kind of mentioned it but you know in the interest of time it went kind of quick could you go into more detail about the citation managers that you've used and exactly where they were you were struggling with them so that's my first question and the second question is more of an invitation if you would be interested in being part of our user testing group going forward for EndNote because we would like to be able to make some of the annotation capabilities in EndNote more robust. Okay, so the first question what I found was that for example like with Zotero I could you know I could put the documents in there I could have the citation and I could take notes but there wasn't it didn't seem to cut across all the articles like the tagging and hypothesis does so for example if I like the idea of having the findings and recommendations and those types of things I just didn't see an easy way to sort of tag all of these things across all the articles and then pull up okay let me see the recommendations across these five articles or whatever and very easily and also have those little quotes for each each separate annotation and it's possible I mean I didn't spend a lot of time on all that basically I you know sort of started using them and after you know a little bit I'd be like kind of moving on it doesn't seem to be doing what I want it to do but that was the primary thing was just that ability to sort of tag things as you're reading with particular things that you'd be writing in your paper and then very easily be able to pull up just those items one at a time as you're writing the paper and then pull the ideas together and synthesize them and as for the second one time permitting I'm always I'm always game for you know doing some end user trials and and so on was there another quit no okay kind of a comment or it could we use the mic stuff because there are people who don't hear well and so thank you very much I found that took very interesting I kind of went through a similar journey in my case I used to be one of the main authors of the mentally desktop software and now I work at say I work I bought this or not on their software and I think the thing that I missed most or that was kind of wrong about the way or not so that severely constrained how useful the kind of annotation note taking tools in mentally whereas that it really wasn't of the web for example annotations in mentally don't have a URL so that means you can't share them there isn't like something you can plug into your browser or give to someone else any kind of tool that does anything with links you can't kind of get a representation of that there's no like all of the things that come for free when you design stuff in a sort of a webby way is missing and so yeah I think there's a there's kind of specific affordances that you might see as an end user but if somebody's like a little bit more technical or a little bit more adept with the tools like you are that's definitely the thing I think is that is missing I think from some classical tools thank you and thank you all