 And welcome back to news on let's welcome back our packed panel today joining us once again Melissa Armo Haven McVarish and John Jackson. So right before the break We were talking about election integrity and we were coming up on a commercial So I wanted to give each of you real quickly a chance to respond to this going to our Democrats John I want to start with you. We were talking about this. You said you're criticizing the former president Donald Trump for basically making people fearful of That their vote does not count when it comes to elections and that there is widespread fraud But what I want is for the viewers that are watching this right now What could Democrats do to help ensure that because we do know that fraud has occurred that we can all agree on Can we not that some fraud? Absolutely not that there's never been fraud Haven There's been there were 16 Incidences 16 incidences in the entire 2020 election of voter fraud 16 and that's in every local every state every national election 16 out of you just answered But but you just answered my question. You just I said so there has been fraud and you just said yes We may disagree on the number and our viewers may disagree, but you're acknowledging that it has occurred So why not that is statistically irrelevant 16 is nothing We shouldn't even be talking about yours, but haven't But haven't for the viewers that are watching right now That believe that it has occurred. Why not take action to ensure that their vote counts Here's the deal I'll make with you if you support getting rid of gerrymandering I will support going after 16 votes and pretending that that's actually real fraud and the reason I say that is in Virginia The Democrats got the most votes for the House of Delegates yet. They are now in the minority in 2017 Democrats won overall vote by more than 10 percent and they only had 49 percent of the elections Or the seats that is real voter fraud when the majority can't win because of gerrymandering you go after gerrymandering All right, and sure we can talk about 16 errant votes, which by the way, okay We're Republicans three were Democrats and the rest were unknown I Don't know where the 16 number is coming from Do you want to just clarify that and then I do want to go to John because I was addressing you first go ahead heaven? Sure, you can look up Department of Justice there. They have a tracker on how many voter fine Convictions or excuse me arrests that were made and only 16 were arrested and we don't even know how many of those have been convicted Gotcha, okay, so I have to move quickly because of time so not trying to cut anybody off But I want to give all of you a chance to respond so John there You just heard Haven suggest that that is not real fraud that there were statistically 16 cases according to him based on the Department of Justice own investigation your thoughts on that so I Think that the viewers need to understand how elections are ran They are mostly run at the local level by local elections offices And if there's a mistake that leads to not every vote being counted it is generally a mistake an Error by an election a local elections office so the focus should be I'm making sure our local elections offices are Operating the way they should the focus should be that voting is very very easy that you know Everyone's vote is counted and that we're not you know stopping people from you know getting their vote counted that they're You know we're not suppressing votes So I think I want to say one more thing, you know, I'm not a big fan of George's governor Brian Kemp I don't like the conditions. He became governor Because he was secretary of state of his own election. That's not right But he is the governor of Georgia whether I like it or not Brian Kemp won that election And so I think it's important on both sides of the aisle That we stop this whole President Biden is not the Legitimate president he is he won that election that election was certified And there was no widespread fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election Really in any of these states? And so again, we've got to bury that sentiment as we go into the elections conversation But but we're not we're not doing that Melissa and I want you to weigh in there There was a new poll that came out saying still the vast majority of republicans Do not trust the election process. So again same question to you when it comes to fraud And what you've heard haven't say what you've heard john jackson say how how do we change that for americans to to trust The election process Well, first of all the voter rolls aren't cleaned up people receive mail-in ballots and addresses that they no longer lived in We know that second of all democrats don't want voter ID That is a recipe for fraud I voted for the mayor in new york city on tuesday randa con could have come in and voted for the mayor randa could have come in and given my name melissa armel and my address and voted They didn't ask me for any id when you don't ask for voter id. It's right for fraud Also mail-in ballots is a problem one of the propositions we voted for in new york Actually was to allow people to just do mail-in ballots even at the very end of it not even to have a time limit All of these things Result in fraud so whether or not you can actually go back and arrest the people as haven was saying that it's 16 people or Five people or two people or whatever if you don't know who the person is that's filling in the mail-in ballot How do you know who to go after for the fraud you don't know if there's fraud or not because they're filling a mail-in ballots You don't know if randa is melissa armel or not because you're not asking for the identification If democrats think all the elections outcomes are fair then what do they have a problem with getting voter id for What's so wrong with that? I can't respond to that go for the state that Former president trump causes the most commotion about Is georgia and we all have to show our id's At the polling place every single play Every single voter in georgia in 2020 for the presidential election and for the runoff showed their id and In the past Were primarily used by republicans in georgia But when absentee ballots benefited democrats all of a sudden it's a fraud We've got to stop this sort of thing. I lose I'm gonna say it's a fraud but john I have heard I've had heard a number of democrats opposed to showing You know a voter id any kind of form of identification. I have heard of that on this program Yeah, I can tell go ahead haven't there's uh nationwide there's about 17 to 18 percent of americans who do not have a form of Id that would be acceptable at most in most republican states that have voter id Requirements, so here's a better solution Let let us do automatic voter registration of every american that cleans up the rolls everywhere So if someone moves then their voter registration is automatically updated by um various federal agencies including the irs State agencies like the dmb. Let's have complete voter registration So every american is automatically registered to vote that cleans up the voter rolls And then at that point then I think you could see voter id would be accepted As long as that id is uh free So states should not be able to say to people who are impoverished You can't vote unless you can pay for this $150 id because that's a full tax People shouldn't uh be unable to pay simply because they don't have a voter id and now I know most of us that seems crazy that that many americans don't have Uh the type of id that's required But that's just because a lot of people live differently from us. They live in rural areas that are 150 miles away from their Closest dmv. They don't drive anymore. They don't need so let's make it more accessible Let's make it more accessible for people to get id's work. We're we're we're running out of time I'm gonna have to leave it there For this topic coming up We're gonna give our final thoughts going back to the election and what uh we can foresee Coming ahead is that prediction from newt newt gingrich, correct? Are we going to see this massive red wave? That's still to come. We'll be right back