 Is this lady making all Chinese people look bad by not wanting to repay back the climbers that helped save her life on Mount Everest? Let's talk about it. Yeah, man Is she making Chinese people look greedy and was that a pre-existing stereotype? Is it an internal stereotype? Is it a global stereotype? And we got to talk about it because this article about Liu getting saved by two Sherpas and finding shares going viral Andrew Not just in America But of course also China as well and we got to break down the comments our own takeaways about it because Andrew Even such a interesting almost like sports expedition topic has a lot of macro stereotypical takeaways from it All right, let's get into it David What exactly is the story just so everybody gets the facts right because I do think that there is some confusion about what's going on Yes, the Western version of the story is very different from the China internal more accurate story long story short There's a 50 year old woman named Leo Andrew. She works at a bank. She's got like saves up 40 50 60 thousand dollars Goes to Nepal to clown climb Mount Everest on the Nepal side She went up before her Hunan climbing team. She got stuck on the way down. She's about to die Freeze to death. She lost a mitten But two people from her climbing group that kind of know or not really know her come up with their Sherpas And they see her dying and basically they're like all right, let's try to help her So they try to help her but one of the Sherpas is like hey, man. It's kind of dangerous for us I'm only paid to protect you share so share this guy offers him 10,000 USD to save her They bring her down safely and then they finally give the Sherpas the money right they pay out But then Leo the woman doesn't want to pay them back So that's the accurate version of the story Andrew But in the West it's going super viral because it looks like Leo the woman herself Didn't want to pay the Sherpa who carried her on his back all the way down the mountain Right the actual dispute is between the Chinese people It's between fun and sheer and Leo the Sherpas got paid right the two climbers who decided to front the rescue money And then now she's not paying them back fully. She only paid back $4,000 versus $10,000, right? But she did tip the Sherpas $1,800 each so she so by the way guys I think that that's the biggest point of dispute and in the Western version of the story The Sherpas didn't get paid and didn't get to thank you in the actuality It's fun and share that are missing it right a couple things come to mind before we get into the comments section David A lot of people are wondering will this affect Future Chinese climbers from getting help because they know that if you help a Chinese climber You're not gonna get paid back. Also. I do want to ask this that they didn't have to help her But it was the right thing to do that they helped her now What if they had just left her to die which they could have as people who hired Sherpas? She didn't hire a Sherpas so she cheaped out But I'm saying if they let her die then does the story come out saying oh fellow Chinese left a Chinese climber to die Chinese people are so greedy know him right? Yeah I think that to be honest it could go either way and that kind of goes on to this whole like negative press macro Down wave stream that a lot of Chinese things are getting micro to macro So make sure you like subscribe turning your notifications Andrew breaking and everything down This is so complicated, but you know Andrew hot pot boys. We get into the nitty gritty of it Somebody said so Chinese typical mainland Chinese logic. This is the most Chinese thing ever man My mom would probably do something like this ha ha ha and somebody said man There's some truth to Chinese being bad tourists But of course some Chinese people said this is on the Western version of the article Please this doesn't represent all of the Chinese people Leo. She is a bad person. She is on her own So basically the internal internet in China's roasting her because she makes Chinese look bad globally But on a global level people are saying all Chinese are like Liu damn is this greedy woman Well, whether you agree with her disagree with her clearly like They're not everybody's like Liu because the two guys did something good like a lot of people are not highlighting What fun and share did listen they fronted the money now Here's the thing those guys they did the right thing and I think that they're good guys for going through the trouble Sacrificing their climb up to the summit in order to save her you have to understand people train for months And they save up for years just to do this thing It costs 40 50 60 70 thousand dollars to make the climb so they never make it to the summit, right? They don't finish their mission. They don't finish their complete their mission But here's my one thing is like if you go out of your way to save somebody and do the right thing You should not expect and you cannot expect them to pay you back Exactly how much you expect like this just it just doesn't work that way you have to do it out the goodness of your heart I'm saying that she shouldn't be greedy and she should pay him back But also those guys, you know, they got a little money. It's almost like what it is You're saying when it comes to doing the right thing the math does not always equal out. Yeah, and here's the thing guys Nobody the Sherpas. They're all private security private contractors They're supposed to make sure that the person that they hire gets up there back down safely But they're not necessarily responsible for people outside of the group Yeah, so I mean I think that that is pretty much our summation of what happened on the mountain the Sherpas got paid You know, there was some stories Andrew of previous Stories where the Sherpas even saved a Malaysian guy without getting paid. Yeah, some of this not all the Sherpas are like money Motivated. I'm sure some are more than others. Yeah I'm sure there's stories of Sherpas trying to help out and then they end up dying while trying to give their life for free I get it. It's so I think there's it's not about the Sherpas wanting Isn't it just like any sort of civil service Andrew firefighters don't work for free police officers don't work for free even the surgeon in the ER Does not just save people for free all day No, no, no might do it on a medical mission overseas, right? They don't do it when they're in their job in America, right exactly somebody saying yeah bargaining as a competitive sport in China Maybe, you know fog and shield, you know, maybe She's just playing hardball with the bargaining. Yo, what if Lou the woman turns back and wakes up from like being saved and be like No, I wanted to die on Mount Everest Why you save me like that is what I wanted my life to be and now you make me alive again Right, some people thought that Leo didn't pay the Sherpa. So they were like man I would have yeeted her off the mountain after that Like we said, there's a lot of comments from around the world Andrew We're getting into the more macro negative China comments now Andrew that I think ultimately are the most interesting somebody said Chinese food is huge, but the people still don't respect the people that much What do you think of this this is actually to be honest if you made me say I think it's it's more nuanced than one sentence If you maybe say this is true or not, I almost want to say this is true Yeah, I think it's tough man because there is a lot of Chinese people in the world And I think there's a lot of good Chinese people, but we mostly hear about the bad ones And it's because and they fit the stereotype of the greediness, right? Because but also a lot of people don't talk about how like these restaurant owners who cook food for very cheap So that they make delicious Chinese food for you for like seven dollars one dollar margin, right? Do you think them for doing their job? Because they're not making that you just get mad at them for not wanting to give you extra duck sauce for free Yeah, exactly. So it's almost like you can't win unless until Chinese people start creating all this content That makes people feel better about themselves so that it can balance out the negative news that people consume with the positive Content that they consume about Chinese, but right now a lot of people they don't consume Chinese content So they're not so they only see the negative news for sure I would say that people in the West and Honestly if all the articles were written properly and talking about how the dispute is actually between Fanxia and the lady Liu. I don't think this article goes viral in the West I just don't think anybody cares people are just like oh, yeah It's just between two Chinese people arguing over money But because it looked like Leo stiffed the Sherpas, which are the poor Nepalese guys obviously Nepal's a third world country Then it turned into like the greedy Chinese just like the greedy government and the greedy citizens Um a lot of people were saying Andrew stories regarding China never get any nuanced Interpretation because people want to go off the media headlines the media headlines from the Western news sources Have an incentive to make the article go viral which is playing into the stereotypes Exactly. Basically if you can if you're typing an article and you can just kind of write it a certain way to invoke a frenzy Against a certain person. It's easy, bro, and it is easy. Yeah, it is easy But no one's talking about how you on and share saved her life, right? They gave up a bunch was that greedy for them? Yeah, and now so what's happening now is that there's a lot of comments on the internet who especially on the Chinese side Who are like oh this roast this girl track her down harass her? You know like because she's making Chinese people look bad But also reminding people Chinese internally within their country probably of behaviors from the 50 60 70 year old 80 year old generation of The more downside stories, but obviously I'm not saying all 50 60 70 80 year old Mainland Chinese are are one way But there's an archetype that driven by the cultural revolution that they're ultra ultra cheap and greedy even amongst themselves Yeah, into the outside world for sure for sure and even fun and shit have to come out and say hey listen guys I'm over it. She only paid us back $4,000. It's fine. Just don't worry about her. Don't bother her life I'm done dealing with this right. They just want to move on with their lives, too They don't want to be defined by this story for the rest of their lives What do you think about these really macro kind of harsh comments interesting Chinese make all Chinese looking people look bad whether they are Japanese or Koreans that would never act like this Chinese always make all of us look bad I Think Chinese have some work to do It's not that I think all Chinese people are bad Of course, I think a lot of Chinese people are great And I think the great ones don't get credit for trying to counterbalance this that stereotype Yeah, but perhaps what is it just because there's so many Chinese around the world Like you got to think our population or like the population of Chinese is Way, way many times ex Japan and Korea, you know what I mean? So and it's like economic development curve is slower. It's behind so you're getting like these hyperactive like Villagers or knowns are people who they're not bad people, but they have bad manners And they're sort of like coloring the perception of the entire pool. Yeah. Yeah. I just think that Yeah, no, I mean, it's unfortunate the way that it's playing out But I think there's a lot of incentive from the media and the news sources to spin stuff negatively towards China So I'm saying like whether it's picking up more on a viral negative story rather than a positive one There's a lot of incentive. Yeah, or people might see the positive one They're like, I'm not gonna click on that one positive story from China. Oh, there's negative green woman Well, you start to take the positive for granted because the positive is just supposed to happen Do you think that this went viral particularly in China amongst the younger internet crowd because they're like, oh my gosh She's gonna make us all look bad And when we go overseas people will think we are all like Liu and then they will be mean to us or not help Us if we're in trouble. Yeah, I mean definitely dude There's I think the younger generation does have a little bit of pressure to go out there and Help portray Chinese in a different way and it's not gonna all change just in one generation because things don't change that quickly But it will be like a step-by-step thing. Yeah, for sure Anyway guys, let us know what you think in the comment section below guys Like we said the comment sections on these articles that especially on the western side went all over the place I read actually some of the comments from the Chinese side that were translated They went all over the place to obviously having different discussions Let us know what you think in the comment section below from silly serious hop-hop boys always break it down until next time we out Peace