 All right, it's time for Off the Press, and we have a very special guest of, well, our Monday special. Punabha and Kateria, political affairs analysts. Joining us from River State, always a delight to have a Punabha. I'm speechless. Good morning, Punabha. I just love how you look. Perhaps that's why I was having a bit of a problem introducing it, but I just didn't know how to start introducing this movie. Don't worry, I'll be with you. Oh, that would be lovely. You're looking like Tartif this morning. Yes. Okay, so we'll start with the Guardian newspaper. Niger Invasion. Nigerian main care, over 2.98 trillion Naira, double defense spending yearly. Sanctions against Niger. So you have the picture there of Tenubu, present Tenubu, and someone in military uniform. I don't know if they're trying to show Wagner group there. So what's your take on all of these that's been unfolding since Tuesday when Mohammed Bazaam was removed from office? Yes. So it's quite interesting, you know, they say you don't have to admit and regret. We have coups every couple of years in this country. But these are, our coups are quite different. These are just true. These are coups that cover the niceties and complexities. We call them democratic coups. What is a coup? A coup simply means the foisting of an illegitimate government, illegal and illegitimate government. That's what a coup is. In fact, the military coup, I prefer the military coup to civilian coup. Because in the case of a civilian coup, what we call democracy. The truth is, you have falsification of results and all kinds of crime. In which you couldn't pretend to be a part of the government. They take over. It's as simple as that. In your own country, you've never been able to admit your crimes. You're going to move the law in another place. What's your business? Was it not the same country? Whenever Nigerians cry out in Tabata industry, we'll say, they are suffering, they have no rights. We also don't have right to tell Nigerians. The Nigerians are completely happy with that. You know, I don't believe in that philosophy of the worst democratic regime is better than the best military regime. This is complete philosophy. Till tomorrow in Iraq, they are regretting. Till tomorrow in Saddam Hussein town, they are regretting. They would have allowed those so-called leaders to move. Today, they are suffering. Just like in Nigeria. We are suffering. If we have never had it, it's bad. Not even another thing. That's the truth about it. Your life is all about living. Your only essence is how you live. If you're living comfortably or not, we cry against the new regime because we saw the media have been drunken here and they're depreciating. But what is the situation of today in Nigeria? Is it better? Can you even compare the batches you live to the new regime? Do you have enough for them to post in Nigeria? Can you even compare? Even they are so-called demonizer batches. So, we don't have no business. Now, we are going to spend too much. We are not going to be able to address the burning and nagging issues in this country. People are dying on daily basis. People cannot fend for themselves, for their families. Things are getting worse by the day. Economically, politically, social. You are not going to address what is going on in this country. You want to go and waste resources. Why are they doing it? Not because they believe in democracy. Because they are equally not democratic. It is simply because they want to protect their own. We could just stop this. We say, how did you and these people get overtaken by this? We could not stop this. We are going to be victims. Now, this is supposed to happen. The next thing will be Nigeria. We are going to spend our hard-earned resources in the name of trying to protect the local. Who sent you there? Who sent you there? Shut your problem in the house. Your house is on fire. But we are big brothers. We are big brothers. No matter what. Since we are big brothers, we have to go and do big brother affairs even if our house is on fire. So you save the younger one. Isn't that what is happening? Isn't that insanity? That your house is on fire. Your kids are dying. And somebody else's house is not on fire. They are just talking about changing your government. And somebody else's house is broken. You need your own program to put out the fire in another position. Isn't that a stupidity? But for this international revolution that is in place and so on, did you see how elected you on the streets? With the previous government, the Democratic government, the so-called Democratic government was also autocratic. And they were not pleased with the style of the government. That's the meaning. If you happen in Nigeria, it's not fair if you are not there. Another thing I do not like... Open up. Open up. Open up. Another thing playing out that I do not understand and I do not appreciate is the fact that this is an aqueous thing, supposedly supposed to be an aqueous thing, but it's beginning to look like it's a Nigerian versus Niger situation. Tunubu President, Tunubu just the chair of aqueous and he is speaking for aqueous and not for Nigerian. Nigeria is not at war with all looking to go to war with Niger. So why is it playing out this way? I'll tell you. In the last aqueous attacks and how it operations, tell me who has been something largely in terms of personnel and finance in Nigeria. The aqueous community will be shouted. But when the teams are down, they'll leave everything to Nigerian. And because of sheer man pride, neither at that point in time will not be able to leave them. That's the truth. Check all our aqueomog operations once sought by Nigeria solely in order to just bring some pinnots. Last chunk in terms of personnel, in terms of finance will come from Nigeria. And that's where Nigeria is at war. If you doubt this, wait and see. If at all they are going to commence this operation, wait and see. Nigeria. And that's why they say no. We have enough problems in the house. Solve our problems. Solve our problems. Forget about the international. The same Nigeria will say we have to do the same Nigeria that will do something. It doesn't matter. It's a question of nomenclation. Democratic regime. But the question is, can't you see the Nigerians are so happy? Can you love the Niger, more than Nigerians? The Nigerians are so happy. Just like the day at Batcha died. That was the same expression we saw on the streets. The Nigerians are so happy that Batcha died. You know, in the African culture, when a man dies, he doesn't need to be killed up. But because of the frustration in the land, but when you compare the Batchas, you will not compare. So when you have a government, an autocratic, selfish, heartless, scarless government in power, and you say the people should just relax, they should not talk. They are not doing it because of the Niger, because they love the Niger. They are doing it because they are scared. Because look at the Sahel here. People are just taking over. And they are scared that one day it will be mine. They say, where you killed the goats? The sheep is not happy. Tomorrow it will be mine. So we better stop this school. The only way to stop it, anywhere in the world, is to ensure good governance. That's the only way. So in consciousness, power needs power, less concern. The former lasts first, but the latter lasts last. So it is not by mice. Not by mice. It has to be good governance. Give us good governance. You will not have food. Give us bad governance. You will have food. It's a matter of time. And that's what they are scared of. That's what they are scared of. They don't waste our resources. We want to go and protect democracy in another country. The same story. The same story is on Daily Trust. Nijek who is adamant as deadline ends. Now we know that they have closed their borders to Nigeria. They have refused access for our soldiers to enter Nijek even though there was supposed to be a joint force that will fight insurgency and all that. They are on their own and they are refusing our people entering there. The troops deny Nigerian soldiers access to Boso, Ekoaz, Mum over next line of action and the president has met with the governors of the seven northern states. What do you think will actually be the discussion like? Because they are really silent about what they talked about in that meeting. But what do you think that discussion will be like? Pretending to be walking. Maybe nothing. Let's see if they are also... What do the governors say? The directives come from the CC. Here you have the military. Let me tell you, they are scared. Nigerians have been emboldened by countries like Russia, foreign countries that will just drop one Nigerian and that will be the end of this. They just try to play the big brother role that you are not. You are not. You are not. A big brother that cannot put a house in order. Is that a big brother? They call the big brother. They get a deadline. What happened? They just got dumped at all. No house of fear. A big brother. He did not challenge Nigeria. He did not challenge last. I am challenging you to do your worst. And I bet you know how to come up with a community or less Nigeria without foolishness. Who live in death. Because if you look at those behind you, there are a lot of foreign countries behind you. And they are waiting. They are not there. Nigerians have to pay their taxes. So my dear, meeting with the several northern governors is completely telling them to ensure foreigners and Nigerians don't come. But this is every time we have Nigerians moving in and out of the country. In fact, they are more prepared than us. Because you find them moving into kill farmers, headsmen and so on and they go back to the community. They know how to rush the country. So the people are not scared about it. No house of fear in them. So how do things with one billion governors? And the governor sees you are still the city that will give the order. God sent you now the borders of the governor. So having me to the refugee, having me to the governor, farmers, headsmen, classes and stuff in fact is hiding on daily basis. They have been having me to go to the churches in the north to kill people. So what is the need of what we need? That's what we are telling you. If you don't put your house in order, you are going to DJ. If you don't put your house in order, you will not be able to save your child. You are going to the next house to save the next master. Because what do you want to prove? A superhero. Your own child, you will not be able to feed your own child at all. You are going to the next house to feed another master. What do you call that? What do you call that? So apart from this year, you have Mali, you have Sudan, Chad, and then you have Burkina Faso. I don't say the Sahel. Yes, and so you have Burkina Faso. The guy in Burkina Faso, it's appearing to be the new kid on the block. Everyone seems to be liking him. Did you listen to the speech he made in Russia recently when they had that summit with Russia? Africa Russia Summit. And what did you make of the whole thing? Oh, you did it? I did it, but do you know how you pronounce the country's name? I have a strong belief you have a sign there. I am a broadcaster. I am a broadcaster. I am a broadcaster. I am a broadcaster. I am trying my best to pronounce this word. I know. I know. So these things are unfolding. These things are unfolding. The military boys are becoming popular on the continent as we speak. If you go across social media what you see is that these military boys are being liked by Africans. Why? Because a lot of the things that have been going on especially with regards to France and the West and all that's been playing out with the way African natural resources have been plundered by Africans being left in poverty. Almost in conniving with our so-called leaders it's beginning to make Africans across the world say wake up Africa, let's take our destiny in our hands and it does appear that people are beginning to think that it will take or require the involvement of the military boys to be able to achieve this. Is that an accurate analysis do you think? So after analysis you know because the citizens have lashed into a state of victory where the microcosm to you that I charge of the resources use the resources to oppress so you can't talk. They buy the judiciary and that's why I'm always worried when the judicial is compromised. That's why even in law once you have you keep doing the sincerity of the job that job will definitely be the same. You know I always talk of justice he was justice he was the one who after me then we are not going to be seen to be done but we are not going to be seen to be manifested now. If you look at the circumstances just because a tactic followed them into the chambers and came out and just turned to summarizing and they are practically why did you ever move in? And a few people said yes whether you actually discuss with them or not the same accident is perceptual as you gone into compromise in the process therefore to set aside the time and that's why the judicial is key look when you have these foods and you see people come out endostical it's a referendum of the people's bad governance me is democratic me is military it doesn't matter the nomenclature does not put food on your table what puts food on your table are the good policies from the good government and you don't voice candidates on paper if you are not elected and eventually you'll voice on the Nigerians or Nigerians or the people from any country what's the difference between you and the Coupes what's the difference because the military man that takes over is not somebody in fact the coup is even back the coup is even back in that case you are not even aware there was no selection you just came this one you chose this is the man I want to be my governor, my president every spirit you voice on tyranny the tyranny is not just keeping the man down giving me somebody I did not vote for it's tyranny to hell what can we do to hell what can we do I will be there I will do something I have little ideas if you step on it you will blame so don't take anything for granted I don't want to be in trouble our side open up do you share the concerns in some quarters that Vladimir Putin and NATO may end up settling their scores on African soil and using this whole thing that's playing out as an opportunity to come and settle their scores here and we know what we are talking about weapons we are talking about weapons it's it's what do you think that is we are hearing okay that does is name you see what is going on it's like a woman who is buried now chooses her the second wife on the fourth wife or a student who is still not intelligent will come back and tell the theorist because he wanted to sleep at night that is the only you know that that is not the case why do you create Africa why do you create Africa so if you are a leader and you fall to such shenanigans if as you mean without considering that means you are not what we call a leader that's the truth because if my child comes to me to say that then we are petitioners first granted because I look at the script so if you are a leader and you fall to such a shaman shenanigans that they wonder why are you a leader first of all that disqualifies you to me sorry do your best if you have a country if you are the president of a country and you are loved by your people your people will protect you you don't even need soldiers you know what I might say so at least of reason and purpose of life that's the point if you have done that look at that they will say that they have to evade and funny enough they sold all kinds of dummies and all kinds of stories against it today the people are angry the people are bitter we have gone past that stage that was not even the media the social media era now we have the social media era the world has been more enlightened the previous man or the American man or the Russian cannot trust them and talk to you now and you swallow everyone and see them we did all that when there was an inferiority complex now we know what to do they are talking of what the equipment and so on they are doing that but he will do that the equipment they use although some cases also most of them were manufactured in the east there what happened they killed this although we have been one of the superpowers they do not say about Russia there is this policy Russia is not like that most true poverty I go to what makes you a leader so I don't believe it is just theories the question is ok we agree that they want to use this as a fertile land to test before that time how have you been governing the people because the people would have come out to protect you rather they are coming out to condemn you and then dusting people what does that tell you what does that tell you so you are not going to dust your own people and dusting your people against you that tells you how bad a leader you are ok let's take something else I'm just not happy that we wasted our money building a rail line to Niger now they are catching us up from their country because of something because of something that could have been said we should have been brothers and sisters but now see what is happening but let's take another topic because the former president is from Nigeria recently he said his brothers and sisters are there so it is from Nigeria he did say that anyway something happened something happened at the weekend something happened a few days ago a doctor lost her life if you go to the punch news paper you will find that story the doctor lost her life in a lift I don't know if you saw that story and now the governor has suspended the agency's chief the agency that was supposed to be the president's and he has also the facility manager and because of the death of this doctor we see the story surrounding what happened she was from the 10th floor enter the lift the lift failed and crashed down one hour later they were able to remove her and stories surrounding that incident say that everything that was supposed to be needed to give her the life that she needed to resuscitate her was not there like the blood oxygen and so many other things even though the government has denied this so now sacking of the facility manager and the suspension of the agency chief do we need to start applauding the governor or you think there are some other things that should have been done in the aftermath of this unfortunate event first my heart goes out to the family I mean it's so, so, so heart wrenching that you train a doctor a doctor a child to that level only to be killed because she was killed was killed by the managers of that facility and so it's criminal negligence it is not enough to sack me they should be prosecuted and jail they killed her it was just not the talking of meter you can kill the brand of the gun with a knife even little before they killed that doctor it's criminal negligence so it's not enough to sack one of us they have to be prosecuted if they just sack I believe that the family members will go ahead and even if the governor looks at that then he knows it's not even paying them for the facility if it's a governor because I can pretend we just sack and not to suffice the medical doctor what's the difference she's gone, she's gone her siblings, her parents do you know the cycle of they could lead to the death of the pregnancy and that so you ask the question if it's enough, no they have to be prosecuted and jailed there's no excuse they will not be killed but they will be jailed and if you also investigate the relationship between that facility at first, even if you give them money to be taken that's not an excuse I'm not saying that's an excuse because it's in most times we run into such problems as a result of the inefficiency of the government forget the lies forget all those rebuttals they lost a lot of answers they don't say about three years after what happened I don't believe what government officials say I don't okay, I will not mention it you have someone who said I will never accept this I am bigger than that I will not do this they are the person who tends to accept what is less than that so the people who have the government devoid of right to do it so I am not bothered about the government's rebuttals I am not bothered about the government's defence I am not interested at all with the government's I want to see that this matter is engulfed and dealt with the doctors are taking it off and the infinity because we are going to cut and remain there for twenty years that's why I am worried about the kind of political judges we have the debate the judiciary is in a mess it's a lie because it's supposed to be the best year because if you complete it you don't have to book a shower once it's wife the president will come to appeal I think you don't really understand what it means when the judiciary is compromised and better the judiciary can be compromised for the judiciary to be compromised then that nation is doomed that nation is doomed because once the church sets in the nation is on fire once you don't believe even justice is denied you cannot go to a government to do that after that mess they go to courts and they use the court as a cover and why the president who could bring people with him you wouldn't understand unless you are directly accepted you will not understand so when it goes to that of the lady on Sunday she is gone she is gone there is nothing you can do about that she doesn't even feel any pain anymore just before she died what of the others there has to be punitive measures that will serve as deterrence you could have been me you could have been you she was going outside to take and put the others that was what we were told so she wasn't even hungry she died hungry and mom moves to tears because of the negative of the government and you come to tell me you suck I know suck program it as the system well the medical association they have taken this up seriously and they are digging and investigating and they are making demands and so this I know is not one case that is going to be swept under the carpet the facility manager has been sucked but a lot of people will need to be grilled over this matter because sometimes facility managers are not even enough resources to manage the facilities yeah there is a lot of politics going on that's what I said they should have sealed off the facility if it was that bad probably they would have written memos for memos or somebody collected the money and just even those who installed the lift who knows the quality of lift that was installed and there is so much monopoly in that sector no matter how bad the person who installed the lift if he discovered that this person who installed the lift is not reliable you can't even get another lift operator or lift servicing company to come and service it you are mandated to continue to use his services so you can sabotage it except to remove that lift just imagine if you are on that lift going to see somebody it could have been you except you removed the lift and made another company to import a new lift for you your son or daughter was also on that lift going to see somebody that would be very painful even if it's a cost to you, you are gone you don't feel the pain anymore but imagine your son or daughter was on that lift how would they have felt you wouldn't even be on that lift this morning you would be so traumatized that you wouldn't be on that lift and God will help you to come back to that lift it is a very sad incident I am really paying you unless you've never trained anybody before you know what it takes the mental stress and so on every morning you know this is the bad thing and you are happy and when the child is doing well the parents of her family what is going on I am not wait for investigation people will have to go I don't know how let's still just say this as we round off this segment let's just remain with the hospitals as it is or the medical doctors doctors are on strike and because of that I know one or two people that are directly related to me that have passed on because they went to hospitals that doctors couldn't attend to them and those were the nearest doctors or hospitals that they had but government hospitals and of course they were not there but now since the doctors are on strike the federal government is still talking about no work no pay as the only solution to scare them back into work and I am sure the NLC is also spoiling for a fight because they were talking about litigation against them and all that, no work no pay all the time using this to frighten the workers to do what they are beating at so what do you see about this as we wrap up on the segment please doctor strike no work no pay the NLC let me talk about the NLC the NLC forget the NLC the NLC is a great disappointment I must tell you this whenever they don't have the money to feed in the morning or buy their fuel they threaten the strike action or when they want to see the face of a president they threaten the strike action then they are working, see that's why the president cannot let them rubbish if you are backing on the strike you are backing on the strike the demands are met, you don't call off on this they becoming on strikes you mobilize people to go the rest you call on strike as the government ever, ever to fill any condition the question is no so why do you keep calling on backing on strikes and calling on strike they can't see you they can't see what they can get from the government whenever they are working they see the president they see that's why we've met nobody should listen to the NLC anymore there was any NLC who had answers the NLC has lost its value complete absolute rubbish nobody should bother about the NLC those are just people they see the office has a one gravy tray how to fed off like their pockets that's all going to the doctor to go there on time so I don't have to talk about a bonding one as NLC there are bunch of dissent why are you calling on the strike your demands have not been met you say you agree to accommodate the next week the government behind you will go to court the government they employ what they call the fabian police they are negotiating what you may have or what you have and they are working on something that's the fabian police and the NLC need that and they tell them that they are not sees of these facts they are going to collect any payload that's why they see that and they know nobody should bother about NLC bunch of dissappointment the NLC they go to court and go and go on these are just people who want money the NLC would really have somebody paying that same they have gone let's just go to the doctors no work no pay no problem you know it's difficult it's hard but i will opt for no problem no work no pay by the time like you said some of your relatives have died by the time the hospitals are littered with deaths that human being that is so colored to say no work no pay when his own wife or kids are killed relatives are also are also killed by doctors by doctors when there is a resolution i will see if it will be a life to say it again no work no pay you see the truth is something has to happen in this country something has to happen in the i will say what we have is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor to hell for the economy the leaders are leaching on Nigeria something must happen i'm saying this must happen if otherwise something must happen if it happens the wind is blowing and i pray it comes this way the wind will change good that you said and i pray there is this thing they say pray until something happens there is something that is going to happen let's hope that it will come from God about this is where we will have to draw the cotton everybody is created by God we will have to draw the cotton on this segment here today thank you so much for being a part of our program always it's a delight to have you with us thank you good morning so we will take a short break and return in a moment stay with us