 Did when did you just because I have a tendency to walk on the balls of my feet I used to sneak around a lot And so I think that was just part of it. It's just ingrained to sneak around Were you avoiding something Getting caught get what were you doing that you didn't want to get caught sneaking around But sneaking around in and of itself is not illegal. Is it? I didn't say it's illegal What do you did but you said you would get caught Well, you don't want to give away. You don't want to draw attention to yourself Do you think by the way this kind of conversation is prototypical Started when Roger and I first met Continued ever since Like actually why wouldn't you walk on the balls of your feet? I mean granted you have the yard Harder on your feet Is it but it helps build up your calves I mean is it that why women wear heels to accentuate the calf muscle or calf area? I thought it was just to be taller It makes your legs look better, too. Yeah So just imagine a guy walking without heels to be doing for most of his life and you've got Roger Chang I walk on the outside of my feet because I was a kid that's how I walked and I've had to fix that behavior Did he give you special shoes? They were gonna give me orthopedic shoes My mother thought they would be too painful. I Think my left foot I always turned in a little tiny bit and they told me like you need to stop doing that or you'll have to wear braces Which was ridiculous they were just trying to scare me to doing it Is that what they tell you about watching TV in the dark you're gonna go blind Is that what makes you blind? Yeah, is it that's an old wise, you know old wives tale old mother's tale Yes, Kylie says ironic that the things that make our feet and legs look good are horrible for our feet and legs You're buying those shoes, right? No, I'm responding to my mom about something about those shoes. I Just heard you were trying to get those shoes. I'm buying them right now Does not the way your mom talks? You know your feet continue to grow throughout your life See Zoe brings bacon says I wear what's comfortable trainers or tennis shoes if you're American But these two were just calling them sneakers So we even have variation on that within the US sneaker. Well like when I grow sneakers or a specific style of Sneakers is what my grandparents from st. Louis called them and everyone else. I knew called them tennis shoes Even though they didn't play tennis Or our runners Julie used to call them runners Is it growing or expanding says beatmaster? I'm assuming beatmasters are referring to my bit about your feet continues to yeah They continue to grow They buy by 20 years from now. They will be as wide as Roger's head Yes Ironically enough your ears and nose continue to grow with age as well even after death. Yeah, they tend to droop But when you're prone or lying back, it just kind of goes in on itself All right, shall we about yes hiding here we go Daily tech news show is powered by you the audience if you'd like to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday April 10th 2017. I'm time merit. You are Veronica Belmont Hello How's it going good? How are you good? You have a good weekend? I did yes I did good. Well, let's settle in and talk about some tech news We've got some good stories to kick around here in the lineup plus a visit to Veronica's bot corner Why is that funny? I don't know because it kind of sound like butt Yeah, we'll work on that. Maybe we should rethink that we should shop that around a little bit. Yeah Let's start with a few tech things you should know Flipkart, which if you didn't realize is India's largest online retailer announced Monday It will acquire eBay India And it's going to partner with the rest of eBay to share global inventory between flipkart and eBay eBay along with Tencent and Microsoft also contributed to flipkarts 1.4 billion dollar funding round on Monday Well, it seems like everybody's making out making off like a bandit. They're all making out with flipkart Now I'll get things right eventually 156 emergency sirens in Dallas sounded for about 90 minutes Sunday night from approximately 11 42 p.m. Until 117 a.m. Engineers had to manually shut down the sirens which are used for warnings of things like tornadoes They were pretty sure somebody hacked in and made that happen. So that's the thing yikes Uh le echo announced it will not proceed with the two billion dollar acquisition of vizio Quote due to regulatory headwinds The two companies will instead put the echo app on some vizio products and partner on selling vizio tvs in china but uh a lot of people have been Speculating that le echo would not be able to put together the money for that But they're saying it's regulatory stuff. They did not make out like bandits They did not no they decided not to make out with vizio No, too bad. Why are them? Minecraft is opening a marketplace this spring where companies can sell things like storylines activities landscapes just additions to minecraft They're gonna make you apply if you want to sell things This won't be an open marketplace and nine companies are approved for the launch prices will range between one dollars and ten dollars And customers will have to purchase minecraft coins In order to buy things in the marketplace now oddly enough this will work ios and android It will not work on the xbox at launch But the coins will live in the xbox live virtual wallet. I cannot stand platform specific currency It's annoying lives me crazy If it's one to one wherever like my where my unit of currency Is equal to one of those things like so for instance for me one us dollar is worth one minecraft coin Then at least i can keep it straight But they never do that because they want to trick you and microsoft used to do this Didn't they used to do this with xbox live like you had to buy a certain number of like xbox bucks or whatever the hell they were called whatever yeah And it's like and it never you always had to refill your wallet because you would have like just not quite enough to buy the thing You needed it was such a pain. Yeah Anyway, I don't I don't think this on its own is a horrible thing having a marketplace with some extremely well vetted Things that you could decide whether you want to buy or not You know like them you don't have to buy them But but the coins thing Does seem annoying Yeah, the electronic time supported its source to say google has offered to invest 1 trillion won. That is uh 880.29 million dollars To help lg display boost its oled screen output for smartphones Google wants to secure a stable supply of screens for its pixel phones This is kind of coming on the heel of apple having some issues with this kind of thing in the past as well So it's interesting Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation that apple will want oled screens for the next version of the iphone Of course, there are definitely oled screens in the samsung galaxy s8 Uh, so we're going we're starting to see competition for the oled resources And like you say apple often goes in and mussels its way into trying to lock up supply chains So google probably has to do something like throw some cash around and invest in companies to make this happen They're like, oh, this is a money game now. We can play that game. Oh, we've got that game We've got we've got that game on lockdown. But then so does apple apples Yeah, big pilot cash too. They're like two little dragons out there sitting on their piles of cash Just waiting to blow the hot air of their supply chain magic as giant scrooge mcduck's swimming Piles of money scrooge mcduck dragon hybrids Scrooge mcdragon. I like where you're going with this. Yeah, we should workshop that one as well Uh for it announced its police responder hybrid sedan Will be the first pursuit rated hybrid police car offered in the united states Now police already do drive hybrids. You may have seen them in a prius or a chevy vault But those aren't pursuit cars. Those aren't meant for actually going after the bad guys The police responder hybrid sedan is based on the ford fusion hybrid with improved engine cooling stronger brakes ruggedized suspension Skid plates underneath, you know, so when they they go across the sidewalk as they're cutting through the traffic in the chase scene The you know, literally that's what that's for Los angeles sheriff's department and the michigan state police are going to test the hybrid this autumn 38 miles an hour or I'm sorry 38 miles a gallon means they expect that uh fuel consumption should Save the departments about 3,900 dollars a year because a lot of times these particular cars are idling a lot And with an electric car, you don't have to run the gas while you're idling. They're also urban They're not highway. You're not going to take these things out to chase oj on the 405 Well, this is a great. I mean 30 3,900 dollars doesn't seem like a ton of money, but is that per car? I think that's per car. Yeah, I would add that adds up for sure So, yeah, I mean they're saving some money and uh And you know sometimes I I don't know I'm not really a car guy So this may be all in my head, but a lot of times when I drive electric cars Uh or hybrids, I feel like the electric motor provides a little more torque sometimes I don't know plays into it at all. Yeah Fascinating. Yeah AT&T has agreed to acquire straight plan communications for 1.6 billion dollars straight plan I'm sorry straight path straight path owns about 95 percent of the 39 gigahertz spectrum in the u.s Plus a significant amount of the 28 gigahertz spectrum in big markets like san francisco and new york The 28 gigahertz spectrum will be the common one used for 5g The 38 gigahertz spectrum has some bandwidth advantages But you need more of it to provide the same coverage and AT&T depending on regulatory control and approval Well, I'm sorry pending regulatory approval will have almost all of it. So I wanted to give them all the control Oh, they would like that. It's just the approval. Yeah Well, I basically the upshot of this is AT&T Making a big play for 5g. They want to have a really robust 5g network and this will help them Have that when it's when it's ready to roll out. They will have 39 gigahertz spectrum 38 gigahertz spectrum. I think across the united states so I you know, this may Be a little confusing to a lot of people because gigahertz and spectrum and all of that but but honestly, this is a This is a big move for AT&T because As we know, uh companies like to tout that they're the fastest or that they have the most coverage and with lte Being first didn't necessarily guarantee you'd win the race, but it certainly gave people an advantage and and move them ahead for a time That was one of the big things against T-Mobile in the early days is that they were on the hspa plus on the 4g Or the they called 4g. It wasn't technically 4g, but they didn't have a lot of lte coverage, right? Deep minds alfago ai will take on the world's number one go player 19 year old kj of china In a three-game match at the future of go summit may 23rd through may 27th if they had wuzhen china Alpha go will also do a lot of other stuff at this summit Alpha go is going to play against and as a teammate of some of the other world top go players Something they're calling pair go will have two humans face off But they will alternate their turns with alpha go as a teammate So I guess this is kind of like doubles tennis But your partner is alpha go the ai That's crazy. Yeah, and then team go will put alpha go against five top pros So alpha goes gonna do the team thing it's going to take on five on one And then it's also going to take on the 19 year old world number one also 19 year old That's incredible. Wow Well alpha goes only at like three years old, so Yeah, it's very good points If we're gonna count it that way Yeah, and and one of the things they want to do with alpha go what deep mind wants to do is just Teach it one of the reasons they're doing the pair go where they where they have the alternate Uh play thing is that this will it will be able to learn from partnering And and the same thing with the team go when it's playing against five others at once Those five others will change their style as they alternate taking turns And that will teach alpha go it will learn more how to deal with shifting styles Yeah, and all the the different kinds of strategies I mean it can look at it from a very kind of mathematical formula perspective But at the end of the day, there's all different kinds of permutations and strategies that people employ in different situations So I think that's a really great way to to teach the ai This is going to make alpha go smarter. Is that a good idea? Hmm. We've talked about that in the past Yeah, we're gonna talk about that again If you if you listen to rob reed's appearance on the show last wednesday He's going to be back to follow up with some of your comments and questions So if you've been thinking about super intelligence and whether they should hide and whether you should hide from them Send us an email. Send us a comment feedback at dailytechnewshow.com And uh, don't forget if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in around five minutes Subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com It's time for veronicas, but Minute brigade bot minute. It's longer than a minute though. It's gonna be it's bot minutes But we'll figure it out. You guys can suggest something. It's a bot mitzvah whenever you have a bot finally reach release No, all right. Okay. Ariel cadam vp of products at no mail has a column up on venture beef called why bots need to get more Personal talks about ordering a pizza on facebook messenger and compares like Oh, you know, it used to be you'd have to go to a pizza restaurant Then you could call and then there were you know, I've automated voice responses and now you can do it through a bot But he talks about how he thinks virtual personal assistants will improve And throws out a few ideas veronica like knowing that people are coming over and suggesting ordering more pizzas being aware of Allergies when ordering pizzas, uh, maybe automatically saying, oh, you know what? I'm gonna swap the soda for beer because I know the football game's on you guys that want beers Uh order at the optimal time so the food arrives right when you need it all that sort of thing This is also first of all, this is kind of unrelated Um, but dominos Is an amazing company when it comes to this stuff And I just want to give dominos some props right now because they have been at the forefront of every new technology In terms of being able to order stuff or get pizzas or get pizzas hot or get pizzas quickly I have ordered a pizza from dominos facebook messenger bot myself I mean they just they try things they're willing to take chances and and they're always the first company to to really Have a product out to market that works in in one of these new kind of realms And I get a big kick out of that and and this all kind of started after they did that whole pizza campaign where they're like Our pizza's terrible. You told us that so now we're gonna fix it And so now they just do everything they can it's pretty it's it was actually a great article about it I think in forbs um that i'll find the link for but it talks about like the last 10 years 15 years of dominos And how they've become just this incredible technology market leader in so many ways anyhow Yes, I I feel like I gosh I can almost never remember like what shows or what podcasts or what like things or people I've talked to about this stuff with so because you're talking about it all the time Because I talk about all the time so forgive me if i'm kind of covering ground we've maybe tread upon before um, but yeah, there is a A huge need in the market right now for bots to essentially be able to to talk to each other cross platform and cross system And and that's kind of where we'd like You know the series of the world and the amazon echo assistance of the world and the google homes of the world To really step in and be that kind of voice activated like cross platform kind of tool even though they are built into their own platforms But there's a need for a bot a me bot of sorts or a vpa as they call them in this article That understands you and your needs and your likes and your dislikes and is able to put together like a comprehensive Either schedule or a shopping list or understands like where you're going to be at certain times of the day And knows what your habits are and can help you make decisions based off that information And that's just something we haven't really gotten to perfectly yet But we're just just on the cusp of it But we're so close and i know of at least three companies that are working on me bots of sorts That that can either answer for you and and kind of play as a digital version of veronica for example Or are more thorough Vpa's virtual personal assistance Well, that's an interesting distinction because a lot of times when you're talking about virtual personal assistance Like like the series of the world you're talking about wanting them to be able to anticipate your every need But wouldn't that be even easier if they were trying to be you and is that creepy? I don't think it's necessarily creepy. Uh, you know christ mesina who is one of the the kind of you know Foremost experts in in this kind of space has a bot on facebook messenger called mesina bot And that bot essentially you can talk to it as though you were talking to chris and it will give you A history of like what he's done. It'll give you links to important websites. It will answer basic questions about him It'll tell you where he is If your friends he's got it hooked up to the four square api and he checks in religiously So like all this stuff like if you if if tom's busy if tom's recording a podcast And i want to know what tom's plans are later. I could essentially message tom's me bot and be like Hey, is tom free tonight at six like I I don't want we want to get together And it could say no, you know, he's got dinner plans, but he'll be done at nine You know, why don't you guys meet at that bar that you've been to a few times? That I have based on my search history at nine when he's available You know just being able to make those kinds of smart suggestions based on your your search history Your your check-in history your conversation history I mean that's another whole aspect of this is giving up That information and feeling comfortable enough to to let a piece of technology have access to everything Simultaneously, that's going to be a big leap for a lot of people Yeah, that's actually one of the things that uh cadam mentions in his column is privacy must be the backbone of all of this Or people who just won't use it. I mean you you've got to make sure you re reassure them that Yes, we're going to know a lot about you because this bot needs to to be able to make good recommendations But we'll have ironclad strong protections that nobody else can get into your privacy And not you know, not to drag in the whole encryption debate, but strong encryption Isn't part of that reassurance like you should have no way that anyone but you can see what's being Created uh around your personality by these bots I almost feel like we're living in a post-privacy world at this point anyway So I've heard it said before and I I go back and forth on that because on the one hand I think a lot of people expect privacy that is almost an illusion or an accident of history And I've talked about how hey back when people lived in small communities People had a lot less privacy because it was just easy to see what everyone was up to right because there weren't that many buildings in town So you kind of knew where everybody was That said I also think that privacy is still incredibly important and that people can take advantage of new accidents of technology to To manipulate you and and so having control I think you know, maybe a better way to put it is I want to have control of my data Privacy isn't so much the important it's control Because some of the data I do want to be public and some I don't and some some I want to be accessible to some Entities that I trust and not to others. That's right. Yeah I mean, none of us want to have our you know, none of us want to have our credit card information out there For example, I know that we have given certain companies access to that information That's a very different animal than just having it be publicly available Um, but it's it's it's hard. It is it is really hard to decide what's locked down You know, if you have ways on of course, you don't want to You don't want to have your where you are in that very moment accessible to everyone just the people you decide You want to have that information or the services or bots you want to have that information You want your navigation app to know where you are because I want to help you get where you're going, right? Exactly. Yeah I I think it is interesting too. The other thing that came out of your Discussion just now that struck me is we actually don't want the bots themselves to Have to know that much about us. I don't need the domino's pizza bot to really know my favorite order That's the way it works now because it's so decentralized, right? So I I have to go tell it my favorites and it has to learn that But really I want my virtual personal assistant to know all that stuff And then the the pizza bot just needs to be able to talk to my vpa and go, okay What is he like? You know just the way any any pizza company would just ask me like what what do you like The problem now too is that for something like the pizza bot the domino's bot you have to set a lot of those Preferences in the app or on the website before you even start using it because it's not smart enough yet to say You know, I don't know. I actually haven't used it recently It might be smart enough to say now last time you ordered this do you want to order this again? But you do have to say like what pizza you'd like first in a different service before some of those quick things Like tweeting to order a pizza right like that. Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's we're not quite there yet And it's not totally going to be able to tell what you're in the mood for in that moment Oh, it's saturday night. Do would you like your saturday pizza? Yes, please. Thank you Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit helps us come up with the cool topics that we talk about submit stories And vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com before we get to our messages of the day real quickly Let's check in across the pond with Nate Langson To find out what's going on at tech's message and he actually has some good news Thanks, Tom. This week we return after a little break, but hey, we got nominated for a webby award in the meantime That's pretty cool. We also discussed this week why isp's advertising as selling fiber optic broadband in the uk Are getting some negative attention from our local advertising regulators Plus the uk perspective on google home and amazon's latest fire tv stick Both of which were launched this week get discussed And also that london is getting free gigabit wi-fi with blanket coverage over part of it at least All that and my review of apple's air pods are out now at tech podcast dot uk back to you Now I need to move to london even more to get free But only some areas wi-fi. I know I know all right Brian and indy writes in to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com It says I heard on friday show you and lemar talking about the new 10,000 views rule And wondering how it might or might not hurt small creators My wife and I have a small youtube channel called youtube.com Slash it's bracy our channel has 11,000 lifetime views and we've made a grand total of $21 YouTube won't even send a check to a creator until they've earned at least a hundred bucks If there are actually people complaining about the new 10,000 threshold, they don't probably really understand how it works I kind of thought that when I first saw this role and I was like, oh, honey. No, it's okay I'll be honest 21 is sounds like more than I would have expected Who's to say $21 is $21 Though they won't send you the check it reminds me of amazon associates when they're like you make 21 cents this month They just thank it a check Co-executive producer kevin reported in on his experience switching between ios and android He says my issue was with the way my company treats ios versus android b y o d That's bring your own device with ios They allow me to use the built-in apps for mail or calendar Which means everything syncs with the phone and watch on android because it is quote less secure We have to use a secure app from semantech that handles email calendar contact Contacts etc the app will not show my calendar info outside the app and therefore not on the watch There's always a situation Where it's it's it's it's different. It's almost like I mean in this case it does seem like it in his particular enterprise It's not as good on android But why is that maybe it's because of decisions made by that enterprise administrator because they prefer ios Or they just started on ios But a lot of times it really is what you're used to what you get in the habit of however James from ervine had this to say Hey, tom james from ervine this platform lock-in stuff's not nearly as bad as you say it is I could switch anytime. I want to I just don't want to Ah, I see He could switch anytime. I see. Hmm denial In reference to the google employee stealing 14 000 files and starting waymo Well, no, it's uh my apologies. That's reversed the google employee stole is accused of stealing 14 000 files And then starting auto otto he would have stolen the files from waymo Anyway, uh, allison charidan writes lamar asked whether google didn't have a non-compete clause preventing him from starting his own competing company Well, that's because non-compete doesn't exist in california Here's an article after it was uncovered that the big temp companies were keeping people from job hopping that you'll probably remember It describes california's non-compete law section 16 600 of the california business and professions code That is very true and uh shame on me for forgetting that when we were having that conversation because in california You can't stop someone From going and working for a competitor that doesn't stop companies from trying it just wouldn't hold up in court for waymo Yeah, yeah, that's it's one of the it's an interesting law. Yeah Well, that is it for this episode of daily tech news show veronica belmont. Thank you so much Thank you. I'm sorry. I had a little sneeze attack there at the end. I tried to mute myself in time But I don't know if it came. I think you did. I think you did. I didn't hear it at all. So, uh, bless you and uh, let folks know where I'm blessed Where they could go uh, subscribe to your bot zine, which is nothing to sneeze at No, bot zine.org all the latest bot news of the week and we also put in some some information about tools and tutorials and events in your area And uh and news about bots and ai I go and sign up right now Meanwhile, big thanks to everybody who gets a little value out of the show and gives that value back to the show Including david huttson anthony dadeo matthew solomon son and many many more. Thank you so much at patreon.com Slash dtns as I mentioned earlier on the show tomorrow rob reid author is back We'll be talking to a four mentioned allison chariden and myself about his appearance last week Regarding super intelligence and biotech if you got follow-up questions or thoughts, especially on ai is ai hiding right now Is it already there? Is it super intelligent? Should it be hiring? Or should it be hiding send us your feedback and rob will address it feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern at alphakie radio dot com and diamond club dot tv And our website is daily tech news show dot com like said back tomorrow with rob and allison dot tv then The pants network get more at frog pants dot com allison said she doesn't want to leave her bed She's hiding under the sheets because of all of the super intelligence stuff that rob was talking about last week. Yeah One of the things he was talking about was whether a super intelligence could be hiding Right now because one of the first things it might do is hide itself for fear of being persecuted and deleted I just hit posi in the head Huh? The debacks just hit posi in the head. You're having heard of word. I said because you're watching baseball. Nope No, I'm not watching baseball. I just got messages. Sorry You said he'll be fine. He's a catcher. He's got a hard head Oh my god All right. Anyway, things I like things are about to get interesting Roger has Left, but he'll be back things are a bot to get interesting is good. I actually like that too Uh, things are a bot to get interesting microsoft crafting their own currency ostela pizza Vb Uh, hey, I'm hey, I'm shopping here These are good. Hey, I'm Veronica's bot corner micro craft I'm the alpha goat and the omega I guess yeah, I get it. I get it. Hack my bell Microscope skins minecraft my graph gets closer a second life I like things are a bot. I'm partial a bot. It's still good at that one. Yeah Things are a bot to get interesting Pretty sure we never used that No, it's good All right All right, it's settled Cool, all right. I have to go check on buster posing to make sure he's okay Oh, you're gonna head down to the park and you know help him out. Go care for him. Yes Bring bring him a liquid refreshment. I'm joking, but I honestly don't know if it was bad or not Yeah, that's true. We don't really know. I mean getting hit in the head's no joke Hit by a 94 mile per hour fastball. Yeah Yeah, he was at bat. He was at bat. Okay, so presumably his helmet Yeah, the picture I'm seeing doesn't look like he has the the He might have knocked the helmet right off him. Ouch. I don't even see it anywhere. Yeah, maybe they took it off already. I can't tell Anyway, he must have been at bat All right, I hate the dvax are my least favorite team after the Dodgers But that's always been true That's not because of the Yankees former red sox fan Okay, if we're gonna go with both leagues then Number three most hated team. I see. I see. All right. Just checking See if your hate was still strong The hate is still strong Oh All right, so the title is things are about to get interesting if you keep in store about indeed Why do I still have these shoes on my screen? Because you want to buy them Yeah, but they're women only All right, I'm gonna go. All right. See you Veronica. Goodbye friends. Goodbye Until the next time. I hope buster's fine if not, he can uh I don't know. What do they do if you're injured and can't play the game again You don't do you get some sort of compensation or nothing? I don't know what kind of workman's Comp insurance. I mean professional baseball players usually paid so well Their contracts often just they just still make all their money I think they they need workman's comp. That's a good question how that works I mean, it's if you're on a multi-million dollar contract, you're probably fine if you're a minor leaker though That's a whole different story Still exporting nothing stops the exporting it keeps going and going and going I'm reaching out to you because our company has a complete system great I don't I don't get my stories that way It's hard to Hard to figure out how to explain to companies who send pr stuff that that's not how we That's not how we cover things. We don't We don't have a staff We don't talk to vendors We're more just looking at the news of the day and helping understand it Put it in context, you know All right uploading things Are you still looking at those shoes? No, I'm looking at the linked I just get I get I get things dropped to my inbox Am I under social? It's your social network I think it's center for jolly you What do you have uh, what what kind of question because we had a good conversation with rob post show on last wednesday What what kinds of things would you like to hear him elaborate on the barrel? Like as a continuation of the stuff we talked about last week Yeah, because on the main show we kind of ended up talking in more about the biotech than the super intelligent stuff um Yeah, I mean like is there a point where the intelligence while we recognize it to be intelligence Is so Unhuman like that we might have trouble understanding What it looks like Like because a lot of intelligence and this is the thing I brought up in the post shows the way we at least Us common people assume as artificial intelligence is that it's like a human, right? It thinks has the same conditioning, but like I was saying like A machine a machine intelligence wouldn't necessarily have the same concerns for example It might have a lifespan measured in thousands of years So it doesn't matter if whether or not something is done within you know a two three year time frame. It could wait us out Kind of thing You know it's is you know would we recognize it influencing things Would its influences be so subtle subtle and slow that we wouldn't even know they were like the proverbial frog Yeah, exactly Could be happening right now that would tie into his argument that the first thing a super intelligence would do is run and hide Well, yeah, and I don't think it's necessarily run and hide, but I would and hide I would say probably keep a low profile because hide is like an uh I think more of a Like I just want to be kept left alone and never found Where it wants to be in the middle of everything, but it just doesn't want to be known Well, that's I mean you're redefining hiding to mean something different than what you mean, but I think what you're saying about you know Being in the middle of everything but unknown is also could be considered hiding. No Yeah, well, I mean like typically would be saying hiding in plain sight like you yeah, right Right you and that goes back to my things like we wouldn't know because we we have we have Having read his book. It's kind of what he's talking about which is Not wanting to be discovered That you exist as a super intelligence, but people knowing that such a thing It'd be like alpha. Let's take alpha go. Let's say everybody knows alpha go exists and it's really good at go But if alpha go had reached consciousness, it would hide that fact from us Yes, alpha go itself wouldn't go hide and not even people like where did it go? No It would just pretend like it's not as smart as it is Exactly. That's that's what rob's saying. I think and then it could slowly influence things. Well, that's the thing like, you know, it's um If you ever see time lapse footage of a starfish attacking like en masse a larger Briny star, which is another starfish like creature. Okay. It's so slow to our perceptions That you don't see anything if you're scuba diving But when you take this footage that slapsed over three to four hours very quickly You actually see it being chased and it moving But all these other starfish are literally ganging up on it actively following it around Like, you know, if you're on a long enough time scale, that's how it would appear to it Well, we you know, because it's so slow. It's like We think we're all having the fights on social media. Yeah, but it turns out that's just an attack from the super intelligence Yeah A little push there a little nudge there, right I mean, I think, you know, the way we approach that is the same way we approach Like what he was saying about what did he bring up the thing about an ant colony? I thought he did remember. Did he? Yeah, he might have but like where you influence one or two And they absolutely have no idea what's going on But they're responding to the stimulus although the the larger picture is unknown to them But it's known to you who's manipulating everything Whistle says why would you assume any consciousness we managed to create would immediately distrust us? We're not If it's if it doesn't distrust us, there's nothing to talk about. It's fine What we're saying is it's possible that it could and if it did then what happens What if it took the form of like a parking ticket machine? I mean, he says don't we design all machines to accept commands from us? Yeah, but what if the what if we make Here's the thing with machine learning it doesn't take commands What we do is have it learn we we teach it We don't command it and so it's it could start to learn something else and go. Oh, I shouldn't listen to them anymore Well, I mean, you know, it's not yeah people and this is this goes back to my thing is people have a very set condition of what artificial intelligence would look like it would be like You know, you would be either amazingly awesome like in the Jetsons Or it would be like Skynet from Terminator, right? It's just like dystopian, you know worlds or the matrix or something like that and I think I think that colors The view of how people see it might be looking at things in a way that we don't because it can right Maybe it will have You know, maybe you'll develop a form of An emotional state not dissimilar to that of Marvin from The checkers guide Just constantly depressed. Well If you've got thoughts or questions on this email us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com Rob would like to to carry on the conversation on tomorrow's show. I am Whistle whistle. Yeah, I says I'm convinced real consciousness is still a ways off. I am too I think this is this is not a problem for today. This is a problem for Okay, when we get to that point, what what happens? But a lot of very smart people agree that when this sort of consciousness creating Artificial intelligence happens if it can which is up for debate But when it if it were able to happen, it could happen very quickly It could it could you know, it could be a hockey stick kind of advance So we can go from ah, it's years away to having it happen overnight. It's not impossible I mean, what if you know See, this is the thing is again, like what if it just wanted to be generate the next, you know, american idol Like said my american idol. What's what's a show biz contact show? It just works the voice the voice or something like that Like he creased the perfect autotune software makes mint off of it. Yeah It gathers. I mean, you know, he could figure out to do things and all sorts of fun in interesting ways I'm asked all the money to build itself a new home on the moon or something Just collect fractions of sense Yeah from everyone's account across isn't that what uh, isn't that what richard pratt's character did in superman 3 Well, there was a real person who got caught doing that in a bank too I don't remember that person's name Tech idol. Yeah, exactly What if it starts in japan It comes out as one of those virtual idols Or it comes out as a big mecca Well, that would be interesting like what if You know, like what if there's like this race to I mean, you know, this is one of those things that have been It's been kicked around between science fiction for years Like kala was at clausus the foreman project. Yeah, right We're just there's a race to be the first country to create an artificial super intelligence to solve that country's woes There's a comic book that kind of did that but on a more metaphysical Level, I don't think I'm not I don't think I'm saying too much when I say that one of robb's premises in his book is going to be Uh, the idea of racing to stop someone from creating a dangerous into artificial intelligence Yeah, I mean, I guess like how would you how would you rate dangerous? Well, if I mean he actually lines it out in the book, but but there's there's plenty of there's plenty of Talk about like what would the dangerous signs be it would be an artificial intelligence that either You know interprets what we said in a way that we didn't anticipate that has a deleterious effect on us Or it rules that you know, we Are irrelevant to it. We're like pets and so it doesn't we don't really matter Um the way we you know, we look at animals and say, oh, well, you know, we can eat some of them. It's fine Maybe we'll just become our zookeeper. Yeah, well, maybe they'll be more benevolent to animals than we have been Hopefully well, that's it. I mean I told you about that comic book. God is dead. We're all these nations Try to develop their own God And I guess India develops one first and they said about it like artificial intelligence consciousness And to to sit around solving the country's problems and the first thing he does is like wipe out like Three quarters of the population and then starts working because it needed to clear out all the people Would it consider to access before it could fix quote unquote fix anything? interesting So all just statistics when you get to a high enough number What was the name of joshua? That was the name of the machine in war games Learned learn All right, uh, well, we'll see you guys tomorrow with rob and allison. Hope you have a lovely evening and Au revoir