 It's time for the Lawn Jean Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour brought to you every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a presentation of the Lawn Jean Wettner Watch Company, maker of Lawn Jean, the world's most honored watch, and Wettner Distinguished Companion to the World Honored Lawn Jean. Good evening. This is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Lawn Jean Chronoscope? From the CBS television news staff, Larry Lusser and Winston Bridgett. Our distinguished guest for this evening is the Honorable Lester C. Hunt, United States Senator from Wyoming. Senator Hunt, about a year ago after the election of President Eisenhower, and at which time he received an overwhelming majority in your home state of Wyoming, you said at that time that you felt he'd received a mandate from the people of your state, and you felt under an obligation to support whatever policy he offered. A lot of things have happened since then. Do you still an Eisenhower Democrat? Well, I must modify the statement you've just made by saying that within the limit of my conscience, I would support the President, and up to date I have found no reason to change that position. Well, you're sleeping well at night, then. But tell me, as a member of the Armed Services Committee, Senator Hunt, how do you feel about this presidential directive to reduce our forces in Korea by two divisions? Do you think that may be endangering our position there? I believe this, that there should be no man in the United States today better qualified to know whether or not that is the proper thing to do to remove two divisions from Korea than the President of the United States. However, you must understand that he's not, isn't acting entirely within his own knowledge. He has the advice of professionally trained chiefs of staff, all good men, he no doubt has received from the commanding general in Korea the advice that that is a safe thing to do. And you must remember too that he has said that this withdrawal will be very gradual. It will take, I believe, he said two years probably before it's completed. Well, Senator, how do you feel about the the idea behind our new military policy? That is to say the idea of a mobile reserve, which will allow us generally speaking to lessen our ground strength and depend more on our air power. Well, I think this is the air atomic age and what we're doing, I believe the Armed Services Committee's in agreement with it. It's it's proper at this time to concentrate on air power and to cut down on the a number of foot soldiers. I see no reason at all to disagree with the present program. Well, Senator, I'd like to turn to the domestic situation if I may. Now take the your situation out in Wyoming. Aren't your stockmen out there screaming over they fall in cattle prices? Well, I wouldn't exactly say they're screaming, but they're hurt and they're discouraged and in order to get the same amount of income in 53 that they did in the fall of 54 they have had to ship twice as many cattle for the prices about half what it was. Yes, they are discouraged. We are of course hopeful that the price of cattle will come back some. We shipped as I say twice as many and that's practically true throughout the United States. We had a tremendous overpopulation of cattle. We had 93 million now average in the United States runs someplace around 70 million in a normal year. Well, Senator Hunter, if you're a cattleman out in Wyoming or suffering from a shortage of folding money How is it that we people here in the city are paying through the nose as it were when we order a good steak? Well, it's because of the tremendous increased in the cost of every step of a 700 pound steer from a ranch in my county in Wyoming to my table in Washington, DC When you trace that animal and the time he leaves that ranch until I Utilize it on my table. There are so many different agencies get into the act. It is handled so many times and Transportation rates as an example of increased 11 times since the end of World War two It's just a tremendous increase in the cost of everything along the line and a recent study that I have made myself Proves to me that there is no particular Area in the meat processing work that is getting an unconscionable profit. Oh senator, we've had a number of Democrats in this program like Mike Manroni from a neighboring state and They have complained about what they call the administration's giveaway policy and they refer to what they call the giving away of power of Thailand's oil and so on now you've got a lot of federal land as I recall out in Wyoming and you go along with this policy of giving away these Resources to a private industry and private ownership No, I don't go along with it at all I think the administration is making a great mistake and giving up the last very wonderful potential dam site hell's Canyon Dam site on the line between Idaho and Oregon and allowing Private part to go in and build at three smaller dams Regardless of Grand Cooley and Bonneville. We have in that Western area now something like a 17% Deficit in electric energy. I don't go along at all with giving away that dam site however, you mentioned the tide lands and I don't consider That the action of the Congress was giving away anything you must remember that that area We have considered state property for a hundred and seventy one years And I could go into great detail to tell you about the management of those tide lands by the states And the various laws that they have passed with reference to fishing with reference to cropping sponges With reference to mining sulfur The states have even made international fishing agreements with Mexico I don't consider the tide lands a giveaway at all senator with Congress opening the day after tomorrow Well, many people are predicting a very hectic session in an election year with bipartisan cooperation very difficult Do you concur in that forecast? I don't exactly We all thought because of the fact that we were so evenly divided that the first session of the 81st Congress would be hectic It wasn't it proved to be the most peaceful session of Congress. I think almost in our history You boys Know as well as I do that on several occasions The Democrats stepped right out and bailed the president out. In fact on 36 critical votes in the Senate In which the president's prestige was on the line so to speak He won in 31. He only lost five and out of those 31 he needed and he got substantial help In 23 of the votes from Democrats now our leadership both the majority and the minority is of a disposition not to make this a hectic political session and Another thing I'd like to call your attention to is the president's relationship with the Congress Hasn't it been noticeable to you gentlemen that as yet the president has on no occasion Criticized the Congress even when we said no emphatically to him with reference to raising the debt limit the president did not in Any degree at any time in any way Criticizes the president let me say is getting along very very well with the Congress well senator there seems to be a slight split in the between Congress and the president the case of The right wing of the Republican Party and I refer to senator McCarthy and the president over this issue of Communists in the government now. Do you feel that? This is going to be the big issue again in the coming November elections No, I don't I think the people are going and are perhaps now getting a little tired of Dragging across the front pages of the paper the names of those supposedly Communist in our government who have been dead for several years Most of them had gone through Hearings of the Un-American Activities Committee in the house and extra white as you know appeared before Certain of your law bodies here in New York and nothing was found Sufficient to indict him. I don't think that communism is going to be much of an issue in the next election I've been in actively in Public life for 22 years and to the best of my knowledge. I never met a communist and you've been in public life senator Seems to me that you're practically the only dentist who has ever been a governor of a state and as a member of that profession And in the Senate now you tell me how you feel about the different approaches to a national health program Well, I feel that our National health program should be primarily That which is instigated and carried on by the public health service the United States I feel we should encourage in every possible way Prepaid health insurance by private insurance companies. I am opposed to Socialized medicine for from my own profession and from a study of socialized medicine and dentistry in England I am forced to the conclusion that when you take Competition when you take the incentive out of the practice of medicine and dentistry When you put so to speak a physician or dentist Justice a civil service worker by the clock you lose that competition. He loses his interest and the professions will In their efficiency lower their standards senator I'd like to put this other question to you as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee Looking ahead to the coming year We're in a period of military retrenchment and this is going to be a year of decision as far as the European Army goes We may get it. We may not what is our military posture in Europe going to be if we do not get the European Army with Well, uh, mr. That's sort of an iffy question and a little hard to answer. I happen to be one who feels We've made tremendous progress along that line in NATO. I am convinced in Europe There is in the stream of public opinion a very strong undercurrent Both in the government and in the military of the various countries To form a united Europe. Just as we have a united states I'm inclined to feel that although on the surface. We do see these things happen like the result of the election in Italy Like some comments in Parliament The French government which must be reorganized. We can't have a rebel We can't have this reorganization of their government every 30 days But nevertheless down is a deep-seated feeling and the part of Europe that they want to form a United Europe and I believe we are on the way if we have patience. That's thank you very much senator Hudson a great pleasure to have you here tonight The opinions you've heard our speakers expressed tonight have been entirely their own The editorial board for this edition of the long gene chronoscope was Larry Lisser and Winston bradette Our distinguished guest was the honorable Lester C. 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