 Whatever Well, I wonder who's they think it is well, we we don't need those probably some Bob of Nazareth where he's connected. What if he was what if he was shaped like Jack black? You mean like he isn't this tall kind of slim hippie-looking guy Olive oil, you know Was loud he was boisterous he would make fart jokes whatever Like you actually I would love to see a Jesus movie with Jack black as a fun Jesus. This this sounds like an idea from a youth minister I had Who were you in the youth ministries? I wasn't no, but The it's a long story, but the free Methodists would have like really good snacks And I was friends with a bunch of kids who went to their church. So I would go sometimes You would go for the snacks I was Catholic I was Catholic and the Catholics didn't have we didn't have snacks It was you went to catechism because you were supposed to the competition had better onboarding But I like this political and religious I think we it's pretty tame. It's okay. Okay When I go to Twitter, I still I'm gonna say like breathing a lot of oxygen today Wait that could that could trigger some some kind of And you've been expelled like see like you as well lucky for you some people don't have that chance Yes, you know brag I Think I might just start doing that just once a day something like super tame obvious just to see Who's watching? Yeah, what who will take issue with it? Man, I've been experiencing a normal unit of gravity I Know what what is the least controversial statement you can come out with for the age of the Internet That would ask it as a question so you can still get some responses. So Anyone if anybody else feel like gravity is exactly at a hundred percent today. Yeah Well, it depends where you are well I Who else has just been really enjoying the atmospheric unit of pressure we've had today Again depends on your on your altitude well, I said I didn't I didn't state a number to give a little like I guess I could say units Was like hashtag social acceptance I Mean the greatest hashtag ever made I Just don't want to offend anyone. Oh my gosh All right, I'll need control or did you give it to me? I Sneaked it in there. I think you should have it. Let me know if you don't Do Myself It's this new window. It's a kid's hide your wife hide yourself hide my kid treat yourself Shoot yourself before you fleece yourself Sure All right, here we go y'all ready You're ready for this Okay, never mind keep going The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by listeners like me To find out more visit Daily Tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday the 18th of October 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Patrick Beja host of Pixels the Philias Club and co-host of our Tuesday shows on DTNS How are you Patrick? I am Excellent, I'm ready to do a fantastic show because we have a Brian on the show and that One of our many Brian's Brian Ibbott host of coverville co-host of the morning stream Is on and we're all here because we're gonna talk about the PlayStation VR because we all got a PlayStation VR Is that not correct? So far that statement is accurate. All right trying to be non-controversial in this day and age Yeah, so it started Patrick got the PS VR and wanted to talk a little bit about his Experiences using it since it shipped last week and then Ibbott was sending me Recommendations because he saw I did an unboxing on YouTube And so we're gonna talk about our impressions actually using it the games. We've talked about we are also Going to talk about Google's pixel and in fact Roger went and dug into a bunch of the reviews out there To give you an idea of what people think of that The Microsoft research team announced its speech recognition technology has reached a word error rate of 5.9% Putting it on par with human transcribers that's an important milestone to note in speech recognition and Amazon is extending free unlimited photo storage to up to five family members of its Amazon Prime service Isn't that nice of them doesn't need they don't even charge you more for it The perk is called family vault now. Here are some more top stories. That's the beginning of the show there All right Google pixel and pixel XL review highlights are out Essentially what Roger found was everybody seems to think the voice assistant works. Well, but can get tricked up sometimes by some basic questions Most reviewers are annoyed that the phones aren't water resistant They do feel the phone is snappier than the galaxy s7 although the New York Times mentions on geek bench The phones run slower than a galaxy s7 test Everybody raves about the cameras image quality although some question whether it in fact is in fact the best phone As Google phone camera as Google claimed they do compare it to the iPhone 7 though The New York Times found the images to be a little cold with science and magenta's exaggerated Mossberg found the inner images to be a little oversaturated Battery life was rated better than previous Nexus and Google phones and overall very good Mossberg said it didn't reach the advertised runtime for him Did her bone over at the verge? Said that he got two hours more out of the pixel then he usually gets out of the iPhone bottom My most reviewers found the phones to be solid performers good phones all around they are Same price exactly as an iPhone out there and roughly the same as a galaxy s7 Roger anything Well, let's bring you in here real quick anything to add To to that roundup that you found in common So what the general consensus I get with the phone is it's a really really good phone it's like probably one of the best if not the best Android phone on the market and essentially what are the major sticking put your just kind of Issues that people already have not issues I say but kind of comparisons again with the iPhone 7 for example photo quality if you're if you're super into photography and you want that the absolute best kind of phone Camera that you can get I mean the Android pixel or the Google pixel is a pretty good phone But depending on who you speak to the the iPhone 7 does a much better And if you actually look at it does a much better job of pulling out detail now whether it's down to JPEG processing or image processing in firmware That's up for debate. The other thing is people like assistant But as you were saying you got tripped up on some minor things for example one of the reviewers Tried to get they asked assistant. What time is what time does Westworld start or what time is available on TV? it pulled up an IMDB of Westworld and then he said okay, well follow up what time is this on and He basically got the current time from the phone It's like it's seven or whatever a similar thing in his video where he he asked for the time of an event and he said great add that to my calendar and it said What would you like me to add to your calendar? Who's like the thing you just said so it works well in certain aspects, but more complicated I guess more, you know Follow-up questions to the same question can trip it up a little bit because I believe maybe it's not it's not Assuming to have a constant conversation about the same topic and Google assistant will be coming to other Android phones It seems like And tell me if this is what you found at reading throughout the reviews It seems like what they're saying is the build quality is good The phone is snappier the integration of the software with the hardware seems to pay off with a really good Working phone. Yeah, it's nicely designed. It's nicely designed. It's very fluid You you get you definitely get the feel that it is Basically, they were created the OS the UI and the phone were all developed at the same time in order to give that very slick fluid Feel and for the most part people love the battery life people think like yeah, this totally rocks, you know average 10 to 12 hours Depending on which model you have the larger one Of course giving you more because there's more space to pack the battery Although Mossberg was a little grumpy that didn't reach the advertised Runtime between charges for him Patrick Brian would either of you be suede should you need a new phone today, which I know neither of you do To maybe jump in and spend Apple prices for a Google phone. I Consider it I'm so entrenched in Apple products with iPads and iMacs and stuff like that that the synergy between everything is a Super, you know an important piece to me. However, there's some aspects of the camera Aspect is interesting to me. I don't know I'd have to try one out, but personally probably not I Will add this one thing. I'm sorry I didn't don't mean to interrupt you Patrick that if you definitely want a good phone camera The iPhone 7 phone or camera is actually optically stabilized and it isn't on the pixel. Oh So Yeah, that that's basically I think one of the reasons why People gravitate towards the iPhone, you know one of the many reasons Although some people like the colors of the s7 the galaxy s7 a little bit more and the you know formerly known phone Note 7 But for me if I was I'm an iPhone user Just like Brian and if I was to go to Android, I it's the opposite I think I would not consider any other phone than the pixel I think getting the experience from Google the the purest possible is probably what I would be Gravitating towards and I considered an exus phone For a little bit a while ago because it was the Google experience. So, you know, that is my Maybe it's the appliness expressing itself in the Android world in the sense that I would like the The experience that would that was designed by the people who did the OS So for me if I was to go to Android, yes, I would not consider another one It would be the pixel or nothing probably Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of looking at that Because one thing I love about my nexus 5x is the the fingerprint on the back. I find that to be infinitely preferable granted if it's sitting on a flat surface like a table yet to pick it up to unlock it But most of the time I prefer it and and that's what the pixel has so I Would be tempted myself and if you are tempted as well out there it comes out on October 20th, meanwhile Patrick, there's another way to get a new Android phone Well, guess what Samsung is setting up exchange booths at airports for note 7s the first booth was set up in at Souls inch on airport most familiar to Apple fans as the place there if iPhone was stole during shipping recently new booths are opening in airports in Australia and elsewhere where you can trade in your note 7 for another Samsung phone and A law firm in the US has filed a suit on behalf of plaintiffs who say they were left without phones for weeks Because of the note 7 recall they are asking class action status. Yeah, so, okay two two different things there, right? One being that Samsung very proactively out there for people who haven't been paying attention To say like hey instead of having to reschedule your flight Which I got a long notice on Saturday from Virgin America saying we won't charge you to reschedule your flight if you show up with a note 7 That's like, huh, what a great way to to skip the change fee just But but you won't be allowed to to take it in you key you cannot even go through security with it At least that's what they said now. I've heard different things elsewhere So Samsung very proactively saying like hey, let's make this easy for people so they don't have to miss their flights Potentially at the same time though I wonder if you give up your class action status if you do that should something like this catch on Probably I'm more worried about the person who's working in a little box in the airport with potentially 50 note 7's all Compactly, you know held together in one little area next to them And if one catches fire Probably, but you know they probably have this they have the kit The return kit with Yeah, different pouches that are completely You know what I think by now they're probably taking this very seriously and as much as we're making fun of this is You know, we've been discussing with my friends and some of my co-hosts What they can do now to repair to start repairing the brand and I think The best thing they can do is first of all do this take it as seriously as possible And at some point in a few weeks a couple of months come out and explain Exactly what happened because the problem we have now is that no one knows There's a lot of uncertainty and a lot of room for jokes There will still be room for jokes, but at least if we know what happened you can at least start The process of repairing your trust in them at this point They should just shut up do this take all the phones back Take the hit and and work on finding out what the hell happened Let's look forward to the next version of phone service at the 4g 5g summit in Hong Kong on Tuesday Australian carrier Telstra announced it will launch its commercial gigabit per second capable capable LTE network in partnership with Ericsson Qualcomm and Netgear over the next few months so if you're in Australia, you'll be able to get a netgear mr 1100m mobile router one of those mobile Wi-Fi hotspots that will supposedly With the service available in Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane get a gigabit down and 150 megabits up Why they always because I always want the up for streaming and why they always live at the up just Offends me but but nevertheless a gigabit down from a Wi-Fi hotspot if you're in Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane is Pretty compelling at the same summit Qualcomm announced its snapdragon x50 5g modem capable of five gigabit per second connections Qualcomm expects to launch the hardware in 2018 but it's really meant for 5g manufacturing for people who need test devices out there But it's it's the first big 5g modem first 5g modem from Qualcomm This is you know can't wait for the future to be here At some point maybe we're not gonna need wired connections anymore, right, right Tom? I mean, oh we have 4g 4k 8k VR. That's coming. It's never gonna happen. I understand Sure, sure Maybe 6g though like I'm not even joking when I say that because I remember thinking Okay There's just no way you can stream over a 3g connection like you can eek it out if you have to but it just doesn't work And then LTE came along and it's like well, you know what you can actually do it It it has fewer problems, but you can you can actually do it Getting up to a gigabit per second. I think would make it feasible at 1080 And then yeah when you get up to 5g 5 gigabits per second was going to be fine for HD video all the time It might be similar to LTE on on 4k and stuff like that But we do seem to be getting a little closer as we speed up You know to stream 1080 p 60 frames per second you need 3 to 5 megs up on twit So definitely the problem is not the maximum theoretical speed the the problem is the speed we're getting now however, if I want to be How do you call it negative Nancy negative something? Perhaps melly Debbie Downer Neither at any first name starts with and the Preview of what's gonna be needed for VR in the future You know the screens for your eyes to to not notice the pixels was around 16k resolution So we still have ways to go is yeah, they're always I think you're right like what is cool is that hey, man I can stream audio over my phone. No problem. I couldn't do that. You know several years ago But there's always something you know and whether it's gonna be virtual reality augmented reality Whatever that new thing is that will want to take advantage of it's a very good point. Yeah Reports are still trickling out about expected new MacBook Pros The most recent rumor comes from Japanese site Maco Takara Which says its sources from the supply chain backup claims that the new MacBook Pros will only have USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 ports. No Apple announcements have yet been made Yeah, so we don't even have an Apple announcement that they're going to announce new laptops Which is starting to bother me frankly as I look at the broken screen on this one Right around this time of year, right? It is usually You know October often often an October announcement. Yeah, and it's October 18th We're more than halfway through October but but the rumors come fast and furious here and Otakara has a good reputation with having supply chain information. So so this gives me some amount of hope How do you guys feel about the ports though? Well, we'll have a headphone port. I Think it will I think we're not there yet at some point It might not have one but the thing is it can't not have a headphone port because it's probably not gonna have a lightning port It's gonna be it's gonna be USB-C Ports, but still I mean USB-C and it's it's gonna be painful to move from regular USB to USB-C But at least that we understand because everyone is gonna be using USB-C and at some point in the future Hopefully, you know in let's say in a couple of years will all have USB-C so Everything that will remain will be USB-C and lightning for those of us who want to use Apple products However, no more MagSafe, right? It's gonna be see and if you what happens if you trip on your cable you send your laptop flying You do. Yeah, no no magnetic USB-C cables available yet. Although somebody's gonna come out with You know Griffin or or Logitech will come out with a magnetic Little thing they'll go free go into your USB-C port I'm sure I'm sure there'll be an adapter for for your MagSafe power to go into USB-C I would and then you could just do it yourself DIY it, right? I I Agree with you Patrick that we're all making the move to USB-C. I would still like with just one USB 3.0 port still But you know, I don't think you know at that at that stage If you have the thing is if you have one you're gonna complain that you don't have more. I think USB-C is Is it I mean they insisted on giving me firewire ports for years? Come on. Yeah, and the argument is alright if they give you one. Well, I can use the USB Hub to like give myself more ports, but I guess you could already do that then with the USB-C that gives you You know, that's fine my laptop bag and handle the Lightning charge headphone jack split adapter the USBC to USB 3.0 port adapter the MagSafe to USB-C Adapter, it's fine. It's fine. It won't be a problem. I got plenty of room You know the thing is USB-C is one of those painful transitions of standards that everyone is going to go through So it's a very I know right. It does it does feel different even though if it may be as Annoying it's not that you're sitting here going like I can't use this lightning pair of headphones on anything else You'll be saying okay. Well if I get USB-C adapters at least that USB-C port is I already have a USB-C port on my Android tablet I already have one on my Android phone So it's it's something that at least is moving into my life elsewhere Yeah, Facebook's messenger app has a couple of features out now one of them is limited Conversation topics offers you suggestions for what to talk about with friends by listing events from that person's timeline Maybe a song they recently listened to or something tech crunch notes Chris Messina found the feature on messengers iOS app And it appears to only be available to a small group more widely available is eBay's shop bot bot On messenger the idea is to help narrow down items when a simple search on eBay wouldn't work It feels from what I'm seeing in these screenshots more like a choice tree where you're narrowing down to your Particular item it's it's less conversational although eBay says it'll get better as more people use it And the one cool thing it can do is take a picture and find similar listings based on the photo you get Yeah, I'm not I'm not too fond of the shop bot bot. I managed to say it the first time Yeah, maybe you guys will have more to say about that I'm about the conversation topic suggestions though I think it's very easy to make fun of But it's actually just letting you know in messenger what your friends have been up to so maybe you're gonna see you know It pulls from the Facebook activity, of course So it tells you that person has listened to that album or that person has been there So it's not so much that it helps you find the topic of conversation when you're awkwardly sitting at a dinner table And you're like hey, how about that Aleppo thing? You know, it's more informing you of What they've been up to and then you can start a conversation because you're interested in that thing Maybe you're gonna ask how the album is or how the vacation went or you know stuff like that So I think that part is interesting. However, I wonder how much of the functionality of full Facebook is starting to seep into The messenger thing because this is basically an equivalent to the very old Stats status updates of Facebook where you would just say hey, I'm you know, whatever I'm having lunch All right, I didn't use to set up my my status. Yeah, I think that's a parent but Yeah, it makes it more complex if it would be nice to if there's a way For you to basically have a few items that you can't or that you won't talk about on Facebook conversations So don't bring up politics Don't bring up Harambe don't bring up such and such like these are all off-limits topics Even though I may have mentioned I've been a previous Facebook post leave this stuff out Yeah, I did I hear that human beings will sometimes just want to talk to someone Without a purpose behind it And so I guess this is you know if you see that they went to an event and you're like I need to reconnect with this Other human being oh look they went to the farmers market. I'll ask them How was that farmers market this weekend and now I am speaking with people and relating to them like a human You know, it really strikes me when you're saying this this was the original purpose of Facebook You see what your friends do and you comment, you know, you talk to them and it's Facebook has become so complex Not not necessarily in a bad way, but it's just it's there's more and more stuff You don't really do that anymore. You just comment to Well, you know just lock people Yeah, basically it's very much myself, so I'm unclear But maybe it works better in the context of a messaging app because you're just gonna have a one-on-one Conversation and not comment on a public forum that everyone's gonna see and reply to and and hackle you for not saying the right thing Right Everyone we're done the teasing is done what we've all been waiting for rock star games has finally revealed that red-dead redemption to Will be the third game in the series arriving full 2017 for Xbox one and ps4 and a trailer Arrives at 11 a.m. Eastern Thursday, October 20th. I cannot wait for this and I'm happy to tell you more Please tell me more. I did not ever play red dead revolver. I did play red dead redemption and I enjoyed it I thought it was a good Western game. I didn't finish it like most of my friends What is Thrilling you Patrick about red dead redemption to It was a little bit long in the tooth, but it was definitely fun Brian. Did you did you play through red dead? Redemption I played through redemption probably got about two-thirds of the way through it before something a little shiny Pulled me away, but never played revolver likes like Tom. I've only been a redemption You know, there are a couple of things interesting in this the game itself was really good It was basically a Grand Theft Auto auto in the far west which now with the time The timing of Westworld is getting a lot of love You know that context everyone's waiting to to get into these kinds of worlds again Very highly regarded probably one of the best reviewed games in the previous generation completely taken over from the developer of the initial one it was a rock star that Took the franchise and that made it into red dead redemption As it is it's a very well loved game And you know, it's just a good game because it's a good game What I want to focus on though is that rock star games is such a Successful company and it has the brand loyalty it commands. It's so immense. They don't care about e3 They're one of the few game developer companies who don't care about e3 don't care about events They just teased an image on Sunday, which got over a hundred thousand retweets and 150,000 likes in 24 hours. It's a little bit above that now because they've tweeted more the image was a Reddish background with the rock star logo in the middle of it and everyone instantly knew it was it had something to do with red Dead redemption and so yeah, they have sold I think the latest numbers are around 65 million copies of Grand Theft Auto 2 and they've been developing Red Dead Redemption 2 for a while. Oh, sorry. Did I say Grand Theft Auto 2? I meant five, of course I'm sure they've settled so a lot of too as well. Yeah, you can get it on your phone So it's basically it's gonna be the game to watch I think for next year and you're gonna see a lot of cowboys Video game a stuff in the next few days for sure All right, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit helps us pick the stories that we talk about each day submit yours and vote on them at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com Let's get into PlayStation VR It is out. It started shipping last week $399 gets you the headset now There's lots of other bundles in case you don't have a camera a lot of people don't Or if you want the move controllers because a lot of games as Patrick will tell you one in particular You know really benefit or in fact need the move controllers And if you don't have a PlayStation 4 those are only $300 so the total cost of Starting with PlayStation VR from the ground floor is $698 the Oculus actually you need a camera. It's it's you do need the the camera Which you need to you do need to buy the camera separately. It's 50 bucks, right? So so 750 dollars The Oculus Rift alone is $599 that doesn't get you the PC now if you already have a PC That's fine, but let's say you need to spend at least $1,000 on a minimum spec PC you likely more But we're gonna be forgiving. That's $1,600 HTC Vive $799 list price so that would be $1,800 so this is definitely the most affordable option out there But Patrick do you you know you would you start to recommend it? So spoilers immediately I would not recommend this Headset, I would not recommend any headset. I think the technology is Interesting and I have a lot of fondness for some of the experiences which I'll get into in a little bit but I think it's not baked it's not ready and and the PlayStation VR is is competent it does its job and The other headsets do their job a little bit better But it's not like it's night and day between the cheap one and the super expensive one None of them has such good resolution that you don't see the pixels anymore. None of them Even with the most powerful PC you'll you can get are gonna render landscapes that are so realistic that you don't know you're in a artificial setting anymore, so I think the psvr is a great VR headset for generation one But it's it needs to evolve Significantly before I could recommend it to anyone who's not already an enthusiast who wants to get in on the ground floor Yeah, but how do you feel about it? You are you you're more enthusiastic or less enthusiastic? Patrick you ignorance. No, I'm not gonna go there, but I I I've really been enjoying it. I actually feel like there's yeah, there are some resolution issues that if you're looking for them you notice but the The games that I've been playing and the games that I've enjoyed the most are ones where you are playing in something That's a completely rendered and fictionalized environment Rez a super block or whatever a super box hyper cubes super hyper cube And things like that where You're not worried about if that mountain looks real or if that tree you're gonna about to about to hit looks real These are completely fictionalized worlds and the VR the actual effect of the VR is so incredible now I haven't tried a rift. I haven't tried a vibe This is my first real VR experience since Dactyl nightmare if that's Going way back. No wonder you like it. Yeah, exactly. This is this is head and shoulders above Dactyl nightmare I've I've really really been enjoying this and Aside from a couple You know kind of little complaints It's a great solo experience. It's an okay Group experience like taking turns with it It's not as easy to jump in with a group of people as it was for for we bowling and stuff like that Which was I think another big revolution and in game interaction. No, no, no, no, don't say that So sorry, I didn't project here. Please do please do So first of all, I agree. It does its job very well if I if I Implied that it didn't I misspoke because once you're into the experience You don't notice any of the flaws of the the headset But I think we should be careful not to compare this to motion gaming because motion gaming was big for a couple of Years and then everyone put it in their cupboard and never took it out again. I think this is different It's just not baked yet, but it's gonna become something. So, you know, it's not 3d TVs It's not motion gaming. It's not going anywhere. So just wanted to sure and I think I was comparing it to the we as more of a revolution in the way we play games not not comparing it to You know technology Big step, you know and and I think you know Patrick's saying like yeah But this is a step that will keep us going forward rather than just I hope so. Yeah, I hope I hope two years from now I'm not sitting there, you know moving my PlayStation headset to get to my my win. Oh no two years And now you'll be buying the new psv or two Yeah, but but definitely been enjoying it and one of my favorite recommendations to Tom was this game called headmaster which I want to hear your take on Patrick because I You and I might have a different opinion on that. Yeah, I like headmaster. Let me just explain what it is real quick You're you're in a prison-like complex and all you do is Bat a soccer ball into a goal with your head. You don't you don't hold a controller You're in fact quite regularly admonished that you're not supposed to move your neck because I don't want you to hurt yourself But it's a targeting game. So you're trying to target different points Trying to do different challenges and take different lessons and it's got a little bit of a portal vibe to it Because you know, they're being polite to you, but you're very obviously a prisoner being put through this A bit texted me yesterday's like you have to get this game. I installed it. I got totally sucked in was playing it I love the fact because one of my big problems is trying to use a controller when you can't see a controller And I don't think any of the headsets have really figured that out to the best advantage yet And I just love the freedom of like, hey, I don't even have to think about that anymore But then I told Patrick that I had been playing headmaster and he's like, oh, that's very sad. You should have been playing a different game So I don't dislike headmaster. I think again the the experience is competent It's kind of like the ocean descent where you dive into the the bottom of the of the sea With a little bit more of interactivity to it But it's somewhat it's it's the same as all of the other VR experiences. I've been having which are Okay, they immerse me in something different. It's fun But I would play it for 20 minutes half an hour and then put it down and never think of it again Maybe, you know for two days I would do it Another kind of experiences have been the the driving simulators and the you know the battle tank and the Drive club VR things like that that made me motion sick really quickly You guys have told me that they didn't make you motion sick too much or it passed very quickly But for me, I couldn't play them for very long. I love racing games I'm bad at them, but I enjoy them and I so I dived right into drive club And I did a Facebook live stream of me playing it for the first time earlier today If you want to check that out at the Daily Tech news show Facebook page But essentially there's a moment where I'm like whoa That's the first time I got a little vertigo doing a VR game and I've tried the Oculus HTC Vive all of them But that when that one first took off it really immersed me enough that I had to adjust once I adjusted like oh I'm in a moving car. I need to shut tell my brain. I'm in a moving car. I was okay Yeah, so hopefully, you know, I've tried it a little bit, but it made me so motion sick I had to stop so, you know, I remember when we first started playing FPS is I did get motion sick after a while You know back in the day of doom and and Wolfenstein and all of those so maybe it will pass But really the one I want to talk about is Batman VR Batman Arkham VR and because that was my first VR Wow experience and it was very intense in that game You have to get up first of all have to clear a little bit of space around you. You use the move controllers And that changed everything for me getting up means you can move around a little bit to get closer to something using the move controllers means that your hands are Detected in reality and rendered in the game and that honestly is key to the immersion The immersion that I felt in that game is like nothing ever. I've ever seen in any Gaming experience before You can grab things in the world, you know, you grab a Postcard pass it from one hand to another. It becomes natural incredibly fast and I could talk about this for a long time and I did in some other shows but The fact that you can at some point so you're playing Batman, of course, and at some point you have the rendered model of the Joker and I spent maybe Two minutes just standing around the model of the joke basically was the Joker in front of me getting super close to it like my face was a Couple of centimeters away from the Joker's face and he was following me with his he was not moving But his eyes were moving a little bit. I was looking at his rotten teeth. It was amazing I had it's a it's you know short experience It's maybe 90 minutes, but I had the biggest six-year-old grin on my face that I have ever had playing a video game forever This is one of the criticisms of it is that it doesn't have enough action But it sounds like that's one of the things you liked is it gave you the freedom to explore You know, I think we're always thinking of new technology in terms of Old technology initially so where we see what we like in the old technology and try to apply it to the new one And very often we find out that this is not actually what works in the context of that new technology I think Batman is the thing that that Rocksteady made is Trying to it's starting to figure out what actually works in that new thing and that kind of experience that kind of feeling of presence is Exactly, I think what VR is going to be and it's it's It's funny how it relates to what we were talking about last week about the Oculus Connect 3 conference with the Importance of the touch controllers which mimic your hand so much more faithfully than the others other controllers do because The thing is the you tried the HTC Vive with its controllers I haven't no I haven't tried it has a pretty good and I argue better than the move controllers Representation I view with hands and things like that. I'm sure it does. I'm sure it I mean with the move You can represent the hands, but I think the point I'm trying to make is that the with VR the uncanny valley is So much more important anything that takes you out of the experience like you can't pick up some things But and it brings you in but then the things you can't pick up bring you out immediately And the hands you can close them to make a fist But if you it you can't do anything else, right? So the more the realism needed for you to remain in the experience is So much bigger than in a regular video game. So anyway I'm a VR almost convert, but I think we need a couple more generations, but I don't think it's going anywhere I see you in our chat room says so what you're saying is don't get VR, but VR is awesome Exactly what I'm saying. I mean The reason the reason I'm saying I don't recommend PS VR right now is that it's four to five hundred bucks And you need the move controllers. You're getting half the experience if you don't have the move controllers You know, it's gonna be five hundred bucks for what is now a 90 minutes experience with Batman VR Give me four to five of those every year and I think it's worth it. It's that good at this point, I can't Reasonably recommend it to someone who doesn't have four hundred bucks to throw away Brian, do you agree? I do with a lot with a lot of that the move controllers are a must it's We we picked up PlayStation worlds or psvr worlds or whatever it's called Which is kind of a demo disc, but a little bit deeper than the actual demo disc that you get with the system and there's a section of that called London Heist, which is like you're in a Guy Ritchie film basically and We've tried it with the regular Dual shock Controller and then try it with the move controllers with the move controllers You're picking up a cigar out of the ashtray putting in your mouth The microphone picks up that you're making an inhale sound and an exhale sound and blows smoke out into the environment It's an incredible experience So yeah, you absolutely want to make sure that you have the move controllers for it I say buy it. I say I'm I'm I'm a huge convert the the feeling that I had Playing the headmaster headmaster was the was the oh I get it kind of moment for me like this is such an amazing experience looking around and seeing all this Environment behind me and above me and below me and interacting with all these things even with no controller in my hand It was just such a Such an amazing moment that I think everybody should experience this it's for me It's have you played Batman yet not yet I've been waiting to see all the reviews and go with recommendations So that sounds like the next the next thing I need to pick up They only curses I'd be curious to hear what you say when you try Batman if you liked headmaster so much But I'm critical of so far and every game I've played I've had location drift so I start Calibrating with looking directly at my television and I put my my mask because what it does if you don't know It's got sensors that it can see and so it will show you where you're sitting and say put your head in this box So it calibrates and I'll put my head in the box And I see that everything's working and then by the way that's the ending to the seven VR game that that's going to be coming out and put your head in the box Spoiler alert for those guys By the end of every game that I play though I Find myself turned to the left really when I'm looking forward in the game Has that yeah, I'm glad to hear that it's happened when I've traded the heads love given the headset to somebody else to play It's funny. It's never happened to me by myself Have you taken the headset off put it back on and had that after it's okay? I've had that too. It basically gets let's say five five degrees off-center For some weird reason and that's part of why I'm saying it's not baked yet There are those little things that still bug you that's gonna be fixable with a firmware or you know a software Fix and and the other thing for people who who haven't ever tried this sort of thing again There's a lot of setup. There's a lot of wires Basically, this has its own computer that you have to attach to your PlayStation 4 in order to have the power to do it Sony does did a great job of labeling cables and making it as simple as possible But it's just complex in its me. Yeah, I would have liked some other Location for the audio plug instead of halfway down the wire I would have liked it like in the headset. Give me the controls on the wire Now that you've mentioned that why is the power you have to turn the the VR headset on separately? Why is the power button black on black? Which is the same color as the other three buttons it's next to yeah Yeah, that's a mistake and why not give us a clip that allows you to clip the wire to the back of your shirt collar Or something so that you're not constantly pulling it down with you know sitting down on the couch We're leaning against something The other thing that I'm really really looking forward to and I know this has got to be Near months away is being able to watch 3d movies 3d blu-ray movies using the The psvr that's something I can't wait for I'll tell you one little hack It's not much of a hack really but when one little workaround thing that I did enjoy a Eileen wanted to watch a show off of our Tivo So she turned the TV over to the Tivo but the PlayStation was still running and I still had the headset And I was able to watch Netflix. Right. Oh, yeah, Tim and I are looking forward to that I'm dreading the day that she's sitting there watching HDTV and I'm headbutting invisible soccer balls While she's trying to do that and she decides to put that on on YouTube or something But but you can use the regular apps that are that are in the PlayStation and just use the headset as sort of a Second display it's not VR in those cases, but yeah No, it displays a basically a giant cinema screen in front of your eyes, which is okay But it didn't I also tried I don't know if you tried the little star video app Which is basically 360 movies Which I thought could be fun. There was one in the was it the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone? It was Yellowstone and the problem there, you know, that's why I was talking about VR in our 5g Discussion it the quality is so low you feel like you're watching an old worn-out VHS tape It completely pointless and that stream, you know, obviously you don't download the movie before playing it So we're gonna need we're gonna need a bigger tube Yeah, yeah All right Folks there you go. That's our impressions of course take them with a grain of salt And make your own decisions, but I think two-thirds of us on the panel say hold off and if it says ah go for it If you've got the money, why not if you have the means I highly recommend it. Wow so much Ferris today. Yeah We got one message not really one message of the day But I I've got a digest of the different responses We got to the conversation about a cashless society that we had with Veronica Belmont yesterday Reacting to Tim Cook's statement that he hoped Apple pay would be the catalyst to get rid of cash Bill Berlin game pointed out that poorer folks might not be able to take advantage of that scheme If you need a smartphone and pay for a data plan, of course, we mentioned things like impesa which People on low incomes actually can have more access to banking in certain areas of the world But I could see this being a problem in in areas like the United States where we don't have we have easy access to banking But we don't have those cheap and peso like systems yet Andrews said he's already living cashless doesn't know anyone who carries cash, but he also doesn't see anyone He knows paying with their phone. It's all just credit card for him Carl in Sweden lives the cashless life as well in part because of a system called swish That makes mobile payments and transfers simple says the downside is of course like Everything that's not cash. It's everything you do is traceable. Nikolai in Denmark also lives in a largely cashless country He raves about a contactless debit card called Dankortet He says I must say that it is the most easy and hassle free payment solution I've ever experienced several people pointed out that nations like to use their own currency as a lever Which they say would stop Veronica's idea of a global currency. I didn't get the impression Veronica was saying Let's just have one currency for the planet I thought she was more saying you wouldn't have to think about currency conversion as much if you don't have to go And actually physically exchange cash But that is a fair point about currency and Robert wrote Imagine a Pokemon go style app that allows you to fling a set amount of money at a device or person Is he is he imagining himself in some sort of strip club club? Like you know like take my money and you just throw it this would be a way to do that Perfect and Patrick you were saying you have you've got a similar cashless love Yeah, basically, I'm like Nikolai from Denmark. I we've had for a couple of years contact less NFC credit cards in France and There were security concerns. I thought it was you know, you think initially how much faster is it to just to do this rather than to put the card and Input the pin number because we have been in France for we've had that that forever and actually it is it makes it so effortless that I I love it and When I'm in Finland Finns apparently have a hatred for cash I don't know because they use credit cards for everything all the time You never carry cash with you and combine the two it means, you know paying I Realize how first world problem. This is but paying is a breeze You know, you just put out your credit card put it on the receiver for half a second You've paid you're done and again I really thought I was not gonna care for it and the security concerns would make me a grouch But I actually love it now when I do have to put in my credit card in the in the machine and input my pin number I get grumpy and I'm like, oh, why what is this? Yeah? 2015 I did love taking my Suica transit card in Japan and buying a can of premium boss coffee With it out of a vending machine. That was a magical moment All right, thank you Brian Ibbett for for joining us and sharing your thoughts about the PlayStation VR and the other stories today Of course, you can find Brian on the morning stream every morning at the frog pants calm What what else you got to tell folks about? well coverville obviously over coverville.com and a brand new album This is kind of a new announcement Andrew Allen who I've worked with on several albums He and I are currently finishing up a Kickstarter for a brand new album where he does covers of all of every song from all 30 Nintendo games available on the new Nintendo classic console. So ice climber Kid Icarus Metroid Mario all that stuff. So keep your eyes out for a new Kickstarter for me and Andrew Allen this week That hasn't launched yet. Does it have a name? jasmus Yes, jazz NES Definitely keep an eye out for that Patrick Beja anything to tell folks about before we get out of here Well, if you like video games Pixels is a show I could recommend I went on an even longer review of the PlayStation VR in the latest episode And so, you know, if you like general gaming news, you can get all of your information there it's once every two weeks and The Philly's Club, of course where we talk about news from different parts of the world or rather with people from different parts of The world you can find all of this at French spin calm and I am not Patrick on Twitter and Facebook Of course this the Daily Tech news show we we endeavor to be the color commentary to your tech life And give you the context and discussion to help understand all that stuff going around you if you like what we do All we ask is you support us one way or another There's all kinds of ways to do it a Daily Tech news show comm slash support The main way to support us is our patreon patreon comm slash DTNS big thanks to Zach and Barry who just raised their pledges Thank you guys and welcome to our newest supporters Chris W and Mark B Who just joined within the last couple hours and all the folks who back us on? 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Nice The next big g5 or 5g g5 5g But a bot on it there's nothing to VR but VR itself Not Patrick I'm a virtual Batman Picks well So in the French version or like the French dub does he also have a gravelly voice or is it high-pitched? I Don't play in French. I Doubt though that he doesn't become and start saying just read Batman A friend come in here Patrick strongly vehemently rejects Friendo prompter Pikachu I choose you it's not the VR we want but it's the VR we deserve right now I Would change that to it's not the VR we want it's just a VR we can we can so we are that's available for sale Yeah, it's the VR that current levels of science allows us to Manufacture and sell Want the Star Trek holodeck sure yes, because that's that's a game coming. Yeah, but I bet you bridge crew It's not gonna be played for very long Yeah, it didn't the trailer didn't make it look very deep Well, that's the thing I think people immediately imagine Something and what they imagine. Oh, what's happening? Oh Tina Tina came into steel batteries and she was crawling on the floor Like she's evading barbed wire Tell her that if you're ever doing daily technicians, you can just walk in it's totally fine, right We'll do it happens all the time We see we see Sonya from time to time in the back of Patrick shot. Yeah, she walks around She tried the VR to by the way what you think she she liked The ocean descent VR world thing. Mm-hmm. She was amused by by Batman But not as giddy as I was sure and she she was More impressed by the experience of being in a different place and she she was laughing and going like oh, this is fun But this is whoo, you know the kind of action you expect I feel like I did I did Eileen a disservice because all my my My CD tray wasn't working and I rebooted it was fine But I couldn't get the demo disk in when we first set it up So I had her play that stupid platformer that you can download and she got Wayward wayward. No. Oh, we were at Skye We were wait wayward sky with Skye. Yeah, yeah, no no pogo sticks Skye anyway She's she's like, yeah, this is all right. I'm like, it's probably not the best example Yeah, I'm looking at the the Metacritic scores. Just kind of get an idea of what What's recommended out there res infinite has the highest score with 90. Yeah Thumper at 84 super hypercube rigs is up there. I haven't tried rigs, but that's the mech Is Batman? No, Batman is 73 so it's just under green in the yellow. Yeah This is insane So I think fee not to not to be a jerk about it But the show bot says that VR is awesome. Don't get it wins. Yep at seven. I agree. I like that motion carried Cool, do you mind if I bail so I can do no get back to your wondrous magical life of paperwork Good luck. Thank you. All right Back to you Patrick on that day that we need swapped Excellent If anybody doesn't realize Patrick or I'm sorry not Patrick Patrick's got a house Roger is buying a house. So he has to do a lot of paperwork and he's miserable, especially today Because today's the day where they're like, no, you don't need we need six versions of this Even if the no, you didn't send us the blank pages, you know stuff like that By the way, tensor guys Hallevecht just got written up by the verge Check that out. Oh, that's awesome real holographic displays are becoming a thing by Ashley Kármán Really wish I could have afforded to to back that it's just out of my Out of my range with you know playing VR No, I hear you But yeah, so the Kickstarter is like right on the edge of funding and hopefully that'll give it a big boost Oh Patrick your your connection your audio just got crackly Yeah, it is your videos nice and clear so it's not It just sounds like a connection issue No always good television though Now we can't hear you at all Which is less crackly but not ideal since we can't actually hear you now still nothing Can you hear me now? Yes. Now we hear you. You sound great. Okay. That is weird Oh and and I bet we just kind of hang around while I publish so if you need to go go Sure, we have no we have no end in sight. Oh, you know if I do I'll do is I'll just quickly disappear instead of saying bye Or anything I will just like you'll you'll all of a sudden just see a black screen and be like well Like what Scott does worse than Scott. He says Everyone yeah, no, he doesn't say talk to you later What he does is make some really dumb joke Right, maybe all of your pixels be blinky Click click, you know the first couple of times he did that on current gig. I was like, oh, man I was gonna say something I Realized I really appreciate that because it's a long drawn out like because we always have guests is like, okay Well, thanks a lot. We'll see you like it was just like, okay. Thanks. Great. Bye Oh very efficient Agreed and then I still do the long drawn-out thing on this It's okay What happened to yesterday's Oh, I thought you were gonna end the sentence is yesterday What will happen to tomorrow That that is one of the lesser known songs That was Paul McCartney who didn't yesterday. That's what I said. It was really originally called scrambled eggs scrambled eggs I Know I wish I'd love to see if he has any of the other lyrics written to scrambled eggs because that's that is how it how we came up with the melody Yeah, it's perfectly Yeah, if there's a if there's a demo version out there of yesterday if it wasn't included on the Anthology CDs, but I'd love to hear The actual demo of scrambled eggs. Oh I see what I did Well, that's weird that may That may explain something Very mysterious, you know what it's half past midnight here. So may your Glasses always be shiny Okay, don't steal my how he did Totally Johnson does All right, well I'll jump off as well For Patrick no worries. I totally I would I would have done the same thing. I'm just kidding. I'll see you in a month. All right See you in a month. Bye. Bye