 what's up guys and welcome to one take tonight we're talking about devs episode three and this is going to be full of spoilers so if you haven't seen the episode yet watch it and then check out this video i'm gil and i'm here with my brother alon yo and let's jump into tonight's episode so first off alon after episode one we said we love this show after episode two we said you know we like it a couple of small quibbles after episode three how are you feeling about devs i still like it a little less than episode two yeah how about you i agree i think alex garland is a filmmaker this is the first tv series he's done and i think this was the first episode that shows us he hasn't quite nailed down the pace of a tv series because the first two episodes i thought that a great job of both progressing the plot that we really care about what's happening in the box what is the big conspiracy and telling us a little bit more about the characters i thought this episode it pretty much did neither it felt more like a mechanical just progressing the plot from point a to point b but i didn't find it very interesting overall and by the end of the episode i sort of felt like the big revelation was that the video security footage of sir gay burning himself alive was fake we already knew we didn't know exactly the mechanics but we knew it was fake yeah we didn't know that it was going to be as simple as just some visual effects though we thought maybe there's some more science fiction explanation behind it exactly but conceptually we knew that's not it was almost like alex garland forgot he's like oh we showed in the previous episode how they strangled him and killed him it was almost like they forgot that we as an audience knew how he was killed so it felt like by the end of the episode i was kind of like why did i just watch that this didn't really feel like a very necessary episode having said that there were still some things i really enjoyed and overall i'm still pretty captivated by where the series is going so i thought we could start with a part of the episode where i have a lot of good things to say before we dive into the parts that i have some stuff to complain about so at the beginning of the episode we're back in the box we have kind of a montage where we see different footage on that screen that can look into the past we see the pyramids we see another crucifixion we see witches burning and there's some talking too which sounded super creepy and we actually see lily in the window where she put up the f u sign in the previous episode so for me we also saw serguei being murdered oh that's right i saw a mouth and i was like what the hell is that and assuming that um stewart and the the kid we're watching that they didn't seem uh at all flabbergasted by it assuming they knew what was going on right and we don't know for sure they were the ones watching it after that montage it cuts to them watching other stuff which we'll get to so it may or may not have been them that were watching all that stuff but this is the part of the show that still has me super captivated i feel like i'm actually seeing the past when they showed that stuff and i'm super excited to see what are they going to show us next we saw a crucifixion last episode this episode i saw the pyramids i was wondering if maybe we're gonna see a dinosaur or two yeah and the the score that they have going over the footage just again makes it feel super interesting and it's just awesome i love that stuff yeah i love the vibe of it too kind of wish they'd focus a little more on this stuff yeah yeah definitely this episode all that stuff played a smaller role um so we mentioned before then we cut to stewart and the other person in the room watching uh maryllum and roe and her husband at the time arthur miller together in bed you know which i think is exactly what stewart would use it for along with this kid right and uh a few other revelations in this scene when katie walks in and tells them to stop watching this stuff she says we only have two rules we don't look forward we only look back and we don't invade privacy uh also an important note there she says it's not powerful enough to predict that far back in time and uh then lastly at another important point in that scene stewart says don't break the rules coming from her implying that katie is one to break the rules so a few things to pick apart there number one they say we don't look forward we only look back why do you think that is maybe by looking forward they alter the the tram lines right if you know what's going to happen in the future that affects the future and maybe that's a big no no that that was kind of where my thought went immediately and then why not invade privacy that just feels like a really odd line to draw considering their overall lack of consideration for humanity and their willingness to murder people yeah a lot of people in this show seem like real hypocrites so far yeah which at first i would say that makes them really interesting and i want to know more about their character i hope it's not just bad writing you know i hope that it's not i mean human beings constantly contradict themselves but this seems to be a very significant contradiction at least for katie forest i can understand because he definitely seems to be caught between being very emotional and having this tragedy in his life but trying to shut his emotions down and go with the katie nihilism philosophy um but definitely intrigued by her and forest specifically just how they how they balance these two views of life that really seem to contradict also they say it's not powerful enough to predict that far back in time which i think backs up the theory i had yesterday which is that they're not truly viewing the past they're calculating what the past was based on all the variables we have today is my i think is why they use the word predict um agree with me yes so i was uh was right i think we can say there you go and what do you think stewart was referring to when katie says you know don't break the rules and stewart says coming from her i have no idea it could be the place by mind went to immediately was like we said she is complicit in murder perhaps they know that so they're like who is she to talk to us about breaking the rules i mean they probably know serge was killed right because all of a sudden he disappeared they don't seem anymore yeah i'm wondering if they're on the same level as katie and forest yet in terms of humanity and emotion it seems like they still have a little more humanity left in them right stewart definitely feels like he does he talks about music all the time and he really enjoys music music man baby yeah it so it could be the murder thing it could be that she's done things in the past that will be revealed over time where she's broken the rules maybe she's used the screen for personal for personal things in the past but who knows uh so any other thoughts on what we saw in the box around the screen before we go to some of the other parts of the episode no we see uh later in the episode we do see a moment of stewart and the kid kind of like rolling around on a chair and having a good time which uh which i enjoyed i guess when you're cooped up in that box for a long time you gotta just have some fun once in a while yeah we all we all have to take notes because i think a lot of us are going to be cooped up for a little while if we're self quarantining from this whole corona thing so uh along when we go home this weekend let's grab a chair and just slide around yeah we could use one of those one of those boxes all right so let's go over to uh the lily side of the world in this episode so i don't think we need to go through this beat by beat so i'm just gonna kind of overall summarize what we saw from from lily and then we'll talk about it so lily goes to her supervisor to explain the situation she tells her how she talked to somebody you know referring to anton the russian she says that what's going on here which surrogates international and as she's explaining this conspiracy to her supervisor i'm watching it thinking she is terrible at explaining this she is making herself sound like a crazy person then jen shows up and gets involved lily and jen agree to go to kenton the security guy and when they go to kenton lily has a breakdown she starts talking about how this is just like brooklyn i've seen the fipponacci sequence everywhere it's like my boyfriend's tattoo it's the same thing you think i'm crazy oh my oh my god and then she basically has a breakdown and leaves the office while she's gone jen explains to kenton you know she was hospitalized in the past she has schizophrenia blah blah blah and then kenton gets a call and realizes that lily's standing on the edge of the building and she's freaking out forest and the senator and all the other people that forest is with so kenton talks her down from the ledge but while kenton is out there jen gets on kenton's computer and steals all the security footage you look like you want to say something yeah uh two things one why did kenton probably leave his computer unprotected he just leaves it logged in you know he he knows he's got some incriminating stuff on there yeah i would just quickly hit that uh lock lock computer window key l yeah oh or apple lock screen i don't know how you lock your apple and then number two why would lily go right in front of the window right in front of kenton's office where he at any moment he could easily just glance back in the window and see what jen's up to well it looked like it was some kind of a it seemed like they were tinted windows i thought because when they were outside you really couldn't see through it and maybe lily and jen knew that maybe i'm giving it too much credit but that was my read on it and they are very secretive about everything they do you're giving me the most skeptical look in the world right now not secret enough to quickly lock your computer before you leave the office let's be honest kenton not that great he's great at two things one he's great at sneaking okay he snuck up on uh surrogate oh answer yeah snuck up on anton yeah he's a great sneaker and he's a great neck breaker and he breaks necks in a way i've never seen he's not a great knife fighter not a great knife fighter well he got he survived the knife fight so he's just not great at security which is the job so and then when lily's plan here to well let's get to get to the end of this right so they steal the footage lily brings the footage back to jamie they watch it and they find out that when surrogate lit himself on fire the fire is clearly fake and the whole thing was uh it was faked it was uh it was all visual effects one amateur move at least reverse the duplicated fire yeah like if you watch we've got some videos where we have to use fake fire you can probably tell it's fake but we definitely did not copy and then paste the fire twice so it would be duplicated i expected a lot more from uh like forest and kenton i'll be honest yeah yeah especially i mean forest must be a super genius based on the technology he's built so it just seems like this whole plan should have been near impossible to get away with like when uh when lily made up the fact that she was hospitalized in the past and they kind of hand wave it away saying there's no way they're going to find out of me for all they know you were hospitalized in canada so i guess they have no way of checking whether or not you were hospitalized in canada it all felt like it was way too easy to get away with this plan yeah i wanted to see lily struggle struggle a lot more mentally to you know get around them and make them work harder to figure out what she's up to and i don't know is that they accomplished two things here number one they got the security footage and got proof positive that there's some kind of a cover up with surge number two they created this cover story that lily's crazy and they no longer consider her a threat because now kenton says we've got nothing to worry about if anything were to happen lily comes out and blows the whistle on us all we got to do is say she's nuts so lily and jen pulled off the perfect heist here and it just like i said felt way too easy and kenton and forest are apparently not very formidable foes uh now did you did you buy lily's plan so for me as i was watching the episode i thought that they were actually telling us she's crazy she was schizophrenic and the whole time i'm thinking wow i've been really impressed with her her acting and she's terrible here when she was acting crazy i thought she's just not as great an actress as i thought and i was thinking do we really need a mental illness plotline thrown in here and it also just comes off as absurd you have this person who is apparently a paranoid schizophrenic and now they're running into a truly a true situation that warrants extreme paranoia and then once it was revealed that it was all a big ruse i thought oh thank god because this show for me dropped from like an eight to a five and then went back up to a seven point three so did you go on the same journey as me or did you know from the get go this is all bs i did not know it was bs i thought either she was actually crazy or that all that stuff actually did happen i was leaning more toward the it actually all did happen and that there really is something in the past yes that warranted paranoia yeah so but i i i like the outcome more than both of those yeah agreed agreed um and then like we said we the big reveal of the camera footage that the fire is fake not only that then they actually give us a little flashback where they show kenton in the other guards taking surge's body and letting it on fire and it was done in an interesting way where you see surge's body on fire and then they show the footage in reverse the fire goes out you see them pick up his body pick up the lighter so they basically showed us the process in reverse in case we didn't get it from the footage or saying just so you don't doubt us they did light him on fire proof which they could have just taken the footage when his body was on fire so there was actual fire instead of putting in the fake fire i don't know just uh whatever um but we didn't really talk much and there wasn't a whole lot of it in the episode but the senator who shows up to talk to forest again you're making a face yeah yeah since you can't see a lot i'll show you the face you made i don't know the whole interaction between those two just seems kind of lame to me i was not really interested in seeing any politics and like weird drama with the government and right cover-ups and this kind of stuff yeah and basically to recap it senator shows up she is putting a little bit of pressure on forest saying that people like technology or no people need technology they need facebook instagram and all that but they've started to hate technology companies facebook ruined our political process instagram has destroyed everyone's self-esteem etc um so as a senator the government we have a lot of leverage on you the public will support us and whatever we want to do to you people so we want to have some more oversight tell me what you're doing in devs forest is reluctant but eventually tells her we're creating algorithms that can predict she offers oh you mean like stocks and weather he says something like that and that satisfies her he says okay stocks and weather awesome um so i'm assuming they're planting seeds here and this is going to be an important plot point over the next few episodes maybe when lily gets some more evidence that her boyfriend was killed by amia by this company could she potentially work with the senator work with the government i don't know any thoughts on where this could be going or are you just totally yours i don't care i just want to see more of the sci-fi right i want to see her get in that box and and learn some stuff yeah it feels to me like a lot of this parts of the episode that you and i aren't finding is interesting wouldn't be here if this was a movie instead of a miniseries and that's what this episode felt like it felt like padding like did we really need to see all of this just to get to the point where we learn her boyfriend was murdered by them which we knew already and you mentioned there's only 10 episodes right eight episodes there's eight episodes planned that we don't even have a second season planned at this most likely there won't be a second this is being billed as a limited series so there's no plan for to continue beyond eight episodes so i don't think there's enough episodes to have just a filler episode yeah that's you don't need this episode right with so few episodes you don't need we can have true plot and character progression every episode now overall i'm still hooked i want to see where things go especially on the dev side every time we're back in the golden box when we see steward i'm psyched i want to see where it's going i'm currently uninterested in lily story i don't know where it's going from here i mean i know she's going to continue to investigate what's going on but at the moment i'm just not as invested as i was in the first two episodes i'm hopeful that they'll be able to get me reinvested this does feel like netflix all their marvel shows had this issue where they would start strong there'd be a major dip in quality where the pacing slows down and then it comes back and gets better towards the end as you get that momentum back where you're you're working towards some kind of a conclusion i have a feeling we're seeing a little bit of that here as well but i'm hopeful it'll come back to uh same level of quality we saw in episode one any other uh just thoughts in this episode i don't know are you as optimistic as i am yeah i have i have a feeling i i still try what's his name alex garland garland i still trust him i still have a feeling i'm going to like where this all ends up um maybe you're right maybe it's about the fact that this is his first tv show and the pacing is a little off i still have faith that i'm going to end up really liking this show in the end yeah agreed and a few other things so to say another positive thing about this episode i think the score is still great it creates such a feeling of uneasiness and discomfort there was one particular moment i remember where the creepy talking that we hear from the chrono visor which is what i'm going to call it that's the conspiracy theory that the church the catholic church has a machine called a chrono visor that allows you to look into the past exactly like this machine so the creepy talking we heard on the chrono visor at a certain point in the episode in the score we hear that creepy talking again and so it just brings it right back to your mind and i like to do a great job it just to shout them out that's jeff barrow and ben salsberry who are doing the score they also scored alex garland's movie annihilation which also had a very effective score so they're firing on all cylinders um the senator's guard the one who is jealous of kenton who is a man just once i'd like somebody to go after her so i have some excitement in my day and then at the end of the episode when he sees everything kenton went through and having to talk lily off the ledge he's like man you're so lucky did you enjoy any of that stuff between them yeah it was some fun banter yeah some good comedic relief i thought that worked uh another random thought um your favorite character stanley right stewart stewart i'm thinking of the office stewart i looked uh i looked up the actor he's played by a guy named steven mckinley henderson and he's had an interesting career because his first movie was 1979 a pleasure doing business he played a bank teller second movie was six years later 1985 uh in a movie called marie he played cooper's husband that was 1985 his next movie 2004 19 years later called everyday people so i'm very curious about that gap i'll look into it for uh for our devs episode four and i think that pretty much covers it um i guess with that thanks for watching if you enjoyed this episode make sure to hit the like button and actually not if you enjoyed the episode even if you didn't enjoy this episode of devs if you enjoyed this video hit the like button hit the subscribe button and make sure to hit the bell icon so you get notified whenever we do more videos like this one thanks for watching