 Okay, so everything should be going for anyone who's joined us so far Which we can't immediately or obviously see we're gonna get going in just about a minute or two and We are monitoring the Google plus page and we're monitoring the YouTube links if you have Any questions you can shoot us a tweet you can email us, but best for questions in the hangout If you are already connected is to leave a comment on the YouTube page It should be up near the top right Where you're watching the video and You can also leave us comments on the Google plus post for this video So for those of you who don't know or may have found this randomly on YouTube live events I don't know. I'm Sean. I'm the community engagement manager at the sailor foundation sailor org provider of you know Recourses and that kind of thing and I'm here with my colleague and teammate Jacqueline. Hello everyone. I'm Jackie. I'm a research assistant for marketing and communications Cool and hidden just off camera. We also have the rest of the community slash communication slash special projects team Marissa Citro and Rachel Cohen Marshall and not joining us today But one of these days will be Devin Ritter the special projects administrator at sailor the guy you go to if you run into e-portfolio trouble and and also one of the brains and powers behind The sailor summer school program Okay, so First on our agenda. I suppose is welcome. That's done We want to find out how things are going for you guys we want to find out what questions you may have what suggestions you may have and Simultaneously, this is also the first ever official Hangout on air for the sailor foundation so I think a lot of folks are probably watching who are not enrolled in the business or college side courses are not participating in the sailor summer school Session and are here just because they're interested and they want to hear from us and see our faces and hear what we sound like and Watch us embarrass ourselves with you know our first experimental Broadcast so if any of you have questions about anything everything's fair game I mean this we're talking about sailor summer school But we're talking about you know pretty much anything that we are you know authorized or able or know enough to talk about And probably some things we don't know enough to talk about too Jackie where does that leave us on our agenda? that leaves us Talking about the sailor summer school Okay well It's a good question. So I don't know if we have this on the frequently asked questions for the sailor summer school maybe we kind of do but We are going to Turn that off probably the sailor summer school was the brainchild I guess of kind of Devin Ritter and Hey me I suppose and probably some other people because we don't run synchronous courses We don't normally run sort of MOOC style courses massive open online courses We got the open we got the online we got the courses not always massive because not everybody's there at the same time And in this case we've got sort of a small massive It's pilot program. It's an experiment. We're really just having fun. This is not a hugely official Project of the sailor foundation. It's just something, you know, it's summer We wanted to do it wanted to bring people together and see what it would be like for everyone to work through a course at the same time and we've picked up at last count yesterday and I think some more today including, you know, some folks who have had to drop off, which is fine and other others who joined us about 195 totally unique students many of whom are enrolled in one or more than one of the course and 50 countries and we we put the map up on our Google plus and Facebook and send it out on Twitter so I think for a hundred and ninety-five people and Especially that a hundred and one of those people are us-based that means there's 94 people Spread out across 49 other countries, which is a really nice Just a really nice spread of folks. So hopefully if people are in the forums people running into each other on social media There's a good opportunity to I don't meet a lot of interesting people from a lot of different places We're all here for more or less the same reason, but probably have different stories So have we got let's see I guess before I go too much farther and talk too much I want to see if there are questions that have come up in the stream Wrists is shaking your head I'm gonna check All right, but if you do need to leave a question or comment if you're on the YouTube page the YouTube link Which we sent out through? We send it out through Google plus We message everybody on the Who said yes, or maybe or didn't say anything to the invitation for this hangout So check your email or your Google plus notifications for links to the YouTube link and the Google plus link and If you're on YouTube, you can leave a comment directly on the YouTube page It's live. It's up near the top right to the right of the video and we will take a look at that and take any questions If you want to email us questions if you're at your computer obviously and you'd rather just shoot us an email Go ahead and email us at community at sailor.org. So community at SA y Facebook page or send us a tweet. There's a decent chance. We'll see it I think the folks off-screen are sort of monitoring everything which is remarkably hard to do even with two people and three or four computers in the room Or try it, but you know do send us questions comments thoughts Want to hear how it's going for you guys and We want to know what we can do better So that I stopped talking Jackie I Would you like to Give your thoughts on the sailor summer school and I don't know what like what parts have you done of the sailor summer school? How have you been involved and and What kinds of questions can you answer? Well, I'm really excited about the sailor summer school Those who are taking courses you can find me in the policy course and also the business 205 course the business law and ethics course Excited because it offers some access to Just to our materials it gives us an extra bit of exposure and brings a little more of a social component to our learning Most of our learning is self-directed That can be a lonely experience if you're in the forums and you don't necessarily know somebody's going to respond to your post So we're here and we're going to be responding to posts and you guys will see me posting Hopefully, we'll get a little bit of interaction and also our faculty will be monitoring the forums really closely Also, we've been joking that I might not say this but I'm the I've been responsible for doing the homework allocations for Each week so that we have an evenly paced course So those of you who are getting who are looking at the emails and seeing how much reading You have to do for this week for a polyside or especially Corporate communications, I guess I'm the person to blame or yell at for that But it is all worth it in the end and hopefully everyone even if you're not Taking the courses for credit. Hopefully you'll get some great information out of it. You can use it as a refresher or This is an opportunity to explore a couple of subjects that you may not have explored Yeah, I'll pick up from there I think we should have prepared some, you know jokes or monologues or read like a filibuster statement the constitution of the united states we can just start an article one and keep going But no We'll talk about a thing something important to do also as far as people who are not joining us today Certainly, there's a lot of folks here at the sailor office. It's not just the four of us Putting together the site and talking to folks if You you know call up which you can call us on the phone. We actually pick up amazing You can send us emails of contact There's a lot of folks who are dealing with that and intercepting those interacting with people There are people taking care of the site uploading courses changing editing doing quality control to the tune of About two or three dozen folks in the offices on any any given day and many many many consultants behind the scenes Including three who have agreed to sort of help out with the summer school and hopefully make it a pretty good success for being an experimental program and to support students in the forums especially so we've got kevin mokwin Who's handling business 205 and you may see him in the forum? So he's you know subject matter expert. He knows what he's talking about He's designed courses for us And he's someone that if you see him in the forums is a good person to ask questions and and get Better information on business than you're going to get from me. Although jackie probably can can offer up some really good pointers for business 210 we have When norman who has left a few messages in the forums and I think interacted with some people So you can see her there and then for poly side 201 we have Angie boy who has been with us Uh, actually all three have been with us for quite some time Um, and angie. I know has added three discussion prompts to the course already since we got started One of which is in unit one Um, I'm not sure if it's included in the week one emails or not But there's a couple more in further In other units that have been added to the course And I see some people have checked in and joined us. I'm gonna kind of dip off screen and check our stream here And marissa and rachel are staring carefully at the screen as well All right, so we do have a couple questions, uh that have come in on the google plus page, um Including An error message for folks who rsvp, but did not get a link directly to the hangout Which is a good point and something Sort of behind the scenes here just before we went live. We were scrambling to figure out how to put everything together um We can add uh, can we add the link to the event page as well? Which is something we should do in future since the event page is a good Place to come back to And we posted the wink will show up as well in our home stream for google plus page and From there we can figure out it's supposed to show up on the sailor foundation youtube page I'm not sure that it has been if you go to youtube.com slash user slash sailor foundation It's supposed to be there as well Um, we'll do that better in the future. Um Also a comment on There's a lot of reading. Um Yeah, there is it can be intimidating So yeah, if you um If Jackie here has enrolled in the in the poly side two one course. So You all can help hold her to her commitment To do that. Uh, she didn't do it just out of sympathy. I think she you know is doing it for real but um So you will have at least one sailor staff member sort of agonizing Through the course with you and i'm designing the reading so I only have myself to yell at any of the things. Yeah, I should I should warn you that jackie's Fairly ambitious. So there's that um The uh, but something to say about that too, which we don't often say Well enough, um Is that at the end of the day sort of how you work through the courses? I think will be Largely up to you. So for some of the courses that I've worked through in the past Like philosophy 102 logic and critical thinking Uh, I tend to do the readings and I find that a lot of the videos sort of Replicate what I already more or less understood or maybe understood better in some cases through the reading So I would tend to skip over the videos, which also were kind of long Um, but maybe in an alternate universe I would really mostly just watch the videos and take notes from those and sort of skim the reading Feel free of course to you know bring in supplementary resources as well Wiki pedia is much blind, but there's a lot of really good stuff on there. There's you know, I'm gonna say some I don't I don't want to say any brand names, but there's you know note-taking Companies out there that'll give you the the rundown on aerosols politics and playdohs republican things like that so you know see if you can find synopses of those and If you find some good stuff to share it in the forums or link to it on social media if you prefer that And use the hashtag sailor summer school and maybe the course code to help people find it But by and large, you know look to the Look to the learning outcomes for the course. That's what if you're planning on taking the exam. That's what The exam really is tailored to so if you feel that you're pretty much hitting those then You can certainly adjust how you engage with the reading or the videos or or even the The activities like the writing activities You can decide whether or not you do those or to what extent you do those If you have time obviously ideally, you know do it all but Other than that adjust and try to keep pace and if you're really running into trouble, you know We set this thing up to be 10 weeks And if it comes down to it and you're slipping behind and you still want You still want that kind of motivation We can kind of create a second track or you know, we can do a 12 week thing Um, and you can certainly always stay in touch with us. We're going to be posting the weekly assignments the weekly breakdowns to the course home pages on summer school so Week one should be up there already um and then You can kind of track track along on there and if you need motivation You know tell us that you're still muddling through the course in week 12 and we'll you know email you and Tell you to keep smiling work hard and get it done. I don't know um But we'll be around so Do you keep in touch with us? What else we got? uh One person asked what is summer school? What is sailor summer school? That's actually basics on it That's pretty good, uh And sort of the important question um Really sailor summer school is a little bit of a win a little bit of an experiment and a way for Our staff here at the sailor foundation to engage more directly with the people In our community and using our materials rather than just Put it up on the site work through it on your own if you need to get in touch with us, you know You know how to email us, uh, so this is more of a give and take and also You know some students many students either enjoy the The time pressure Maybe not too much but a little bit and working with other students So really summer school is just an experiment in bringing together a few folks and laying out our courses on a schedule And using email and whatever, you know social media platforms To help keep people on track. We are going to make mistakes. We appreciate any and all feedback positive And critical, you know warm and cool is all good. Um You know, you won't see us cry because we'll be off camera most of the time. So It's fine. You don't have to worry about it. Um, but we will actually listen to you So maybe that's refreshing as well You have quite a lot of power here if you send us feedback you'll be sending feedback to Not just one real person, but a team of real people who will take it seriously and try to either Make fixes for summer school or make fixes for future versions of this experiment Sean i've got a question from, um, daryl uh, good afternoon i'm enrolled in uh, polyside 201 and business 205 And I have a question about the guides to responding Is anyone at sailor going to evaluate our assignments or assessments or is this all self-evaluated? Um, that's a really important question too. I'm gonna say a mix thereof to some extent we All these courses, um Well first a little backstory So the three courses we chose our courses that we put through, um a recommendation progress for something called The national college credit recommendation service nccrs, which is run by The board of regents of the university of the state of new york and it's a credit recommendation Organization and what they do is they look at sort of the rigor of the course And they look at the rigorousness of the final exam And if those meet certain standards which are pretty high standards Then they will make a recommendation that people passing a proctored exam In those courses can uh, can be recommended for college credit at a number of schools And so that's kind of the reason we chose these courses is okay We we know that they're up to date. We know we've been working on them We know they have the potential for college credit So it's a good, you know Good package to start with for summer school um but Because these courses have been updated we put a lot of assessments in some of which are Run through moodle school dot sewer dot org So those tend to be multiple choice and you get an immediate result just like the final exam There are of course and some of these courses a number of written assignments either short or long that We don't have the the staff or the bandwidth to really Engage with that even for this relatively cozy cohort of 195 people We wish we did um, but but we just don't but what we can do Really is if you are sharing things in forums if you would like Uh feedback The best bet is probably to share it through the forums and you can also upload it to your e-portfolio account The f a q's on the summer school page can help with that and we can help with that as well And then at least you've got a chance and I think this goes into the whole give one get one Idea two or you know give three to get one even if you want So if you're looking for maybe student feedback student responses And you know, hopefully responses from some of the consultants in our forums as well Think about commenting and engaging with what other people might Might post or start a thread in the forums and say hey, you know, I've posted my Assignment for subunit whatever I'd really love feedback if anyone else wants to put it up I will you know comment and and offer my thoughts on that We will try our best, you know, so if not a lot of people are putting up assignments Probably we can engage with that a little more directly and and ask our consultants to help engage with that If a lot of people put up assignments, which would be great It'll kind of get out of you know our ability to say 100 on top of it But hopefully with that level of critical mass People are really starting to talk to each other as well And you know, I think Maybe, you know, you can get actually some really good feedback from from fellow students And people at sort of all different levels of learning and understanding to We had a question as well about whether this will happen in other things I think so I hope so we're doing it for summer Doing it for three courses, obviously Um, it's a little bit ambitious We're probably going to stumble here there. I keep saying that because I I really want you to believe it Um But I think yes, you know, if we do this well, then maybe in the fall We take everything we've learned and boil it down into running a single course or two courses And yes, different courses too. Um ones that are either already High enrollment and kind of popular like the cs 101 or art history 208 or maybe some of our smaller More niche courses that nevertheless are really good people just haven't necessarily Commigated around them and what we can do too is put out You know, think a few weeks ahead of time and put out um, you know surveys and polls and let people Actually sort of vote and tell us what they what they'd like to experience Great, and we've got another question from uh, Matthew forward Have you guys created google and facebook communities for folks taking classes? Or are you relying on people using the hashtags and social media? platforms And we I think we have the hashtags also on our google plus and saver summer school home pages Or is everything simply on your google ls Which I think some of it you've you've covered a little bit It's a good question the answer the simple answer at matthew is no We have not created facebook or google plus communities. Maybe We should I think the idea is to add hashtags and this is kind of a confession time slash fanboy time because uh, I'm gonna say part of the idea for the The structure and using hashtags to enable communication is uh comes from p2pu mit ocw and Codecademy and several people on probably telling a name open study is one of the partners In the mechanical mook for learning python, which is at mechanical mook.org and It's pretty cool course. They've they started running it last year, and I think they're now in I don't know what session they're in by my account. It's the third iteration of it, but But I could have missed a few And they use, you know the email assignments and They use, you know the suggested hashtags and things like that for people to come together And their suggestion was for people to really ask questions and open Open study and there is a There's sort of a board or a community in open study for the mit Open courseware course that the mechanical mook is related to in python So I think people can run into each other there It's a good question something we can certainly Just go ahead and do and see if if people jump in and work work with it. Um, I would Say that you so, you know, I think there's a convenience in the hashtags and there's sort of an openness in the hashtags and letting people Kind of engage individually, but then what we probably haven't done a great job of doing is Laying out for people. Well, how would you set it up so that you follow those hashtags using You know Hootsuite or tweet deck or whatever sort of thing you like to keep track of the conversation and something we can push to that we've mentioned on the website is The study groups in e-portfolio Which work really as kind of a conversation thread. They're Pretty simple which can be You know a frustrating thing but can also be a really great thing because it's it's very straightforward and We can see what study groups have already been formed and point people toward those Uh, and if they don't exist then we can form those ourselves and help you get there. So that's something we will do Sean over on sorry, this is racial speaking. Um, I know Um christopher on youtube wants to know our only certain courses offered on this format Which I think you might have gone over a little bit, but maybe a little bit of clarification For our youtube commenters Yeah, um I mean basically yes these business 205 business 210 poly side 201 Uh, we're offering in the scheduled format, but of course they Have existed and will continue to exist in their regular asynchronous format So if students want to race ahead if they fall behind or You know, whatever they can take two years to complete the course um Because this is kind of you know running sort of a summer school synchronous session is not really what we do It's not sort of officially in our bag of tricks um The likelihood is that moving forward when we do other versions of this we'll do one or two courses at a time so maybe You know, we can probably do three sessions a year Or maybe before if we're doing some shorter courses And we'll just see how how it goes and take what we learn here and push it forward into Into new learning and new sessions He's also interested in sorry i'm reading the comments He's interested in a set schedule and deadlines. Do you have any tips for how people can keep themselves on pace? So the deadline the sort of arbitrary deadline we set Is august 27th, I think which is the sunday whatever that sunday is in august, which is basically the 10 week mark It's going to be tight especially as we hear for poly side 201 So a lot of reading But really good good important dense make you brilliant kind of reading So as for the scheduling jack especially has helped break it down into break each of the three courses down into sort of roughly equal times across the 10 weeks Which he used our time advisories to help do And that is that's what's going out on the weekly email And that is what we'll put in the like assignment overview archive at the bottom of the Homepage for each the summer school homepage for each course, which is like sailor.org slash You know b us 205 hyphen summer hyphen school, I think All which is available from sailor.org slash summer hyphen school That makes sense emails will go out every Monday roughly money, so I think we'll shoot for early monday Uh, we can schedule for early monday am Eastern time which for folks who are Uh, you know, I think we have a number of people who are kind of 12 Or so hours ahead would be then early monday evening And this this week we sent them out sort of late monday we we stayed back and Stayed in the office made sure we got it done But the emails for the Week two are already set and we just need to schedule them and everything should go swimmingly If you're not getting emails, obviously check your spam folder But if you're still not getting emails, let us know this is not perfect, but We think we've got everyone and we can see you know If something bounces we can sort of reach out to you directly and try to make sure you you get a hold of it But in any case the sailor summer school homepage Uh can also help steer you in the direction of of anything you may have missed and Always always feel free to get in touch a number of you. We've had people call email tweet facebook And uh hit us up on google plus so It's all good That is not a bad suggestion, uh, matthew matthew has suggested that uh Based on what i was saying earlier help set up dashboards, which I think dashboards to monitor the The hashtags and stuff and social media so that there's a single page that everyone can go to And see what what's happening with the conversations and I think that's we that's something we've considered collecting into maybe An email so if you're familiar with some of the connectivist mooks that folks like steven downs Have run they'll often Uh do a bit of both they'll gather everything together so when people make blog posts or tweets um They'll pull that all together onto a single page so you everyone can see it all at once and they'll also make Digest emails of what the conversation has been over the last week or so And send those out, but we can try to pull that together in a page I think google plus doesn't do embeddable streams if i'm wrong someone should email me and Let me know how to do that twitter Obviously does and uh and we can help with that And maybe we just do a bit of both I don't want to bother people with too many emails, but I think if we Have a page with Some twitter streams in it and then we ourselves use manually adding whatever happens on google plus um and sort of Do a digest of what's going on in the forums as well to encourage people to go participate there We can definitely do that. Um, and if for whatever reason you Are really motivated or just excited about online learning and you do stuff like blog about this If we are not seeing it, which we might if you're mentioning sailor.org But if we're not finding it go ahead and forward us um links to that And you know we can add it to the stream if you wish uh, or if nothing else It'd be really cool for us to see what you're saying again You know more more cool feedback about this is All quite welcome So john i've got another question from jay bailey on google plus. What happens if we do fall behind? Do we just have to work a bit harder to catch up or do we lose the opportunity to be a part of all this? Um, both and neither I think let's see let's see if I can spin this in a really good way I've had the experience of falling behind myself as well, which in certain courses. So in most of the sailor courses They're asynchronous if you fall behind It's not that big a deal you just have to finish at some point So I've been working on actually philosophy 102 for you know Probably a year and a half or two years And I I'm going to finish it and when I say working on it I mean I haven't looked at it in eight months, but I'm going to finish it Um, so there's that everything will always be there. So Yeah, if if you fall too far behind Racing forward to catch up is really tough. It adds up fast. That's what I experienced in the mechanical mook Python course that I I took in the fall I let a couple weeks go by and then it was just Kind of too rough to get back up to speed That said, um You know don't necessarily feel that you have to read every word watch every minute of video Do every single assignment. Just take note of the Of the learning objectives in the course use the Assessments and assignments to kind of help practice or check in and so if you fall behind I would say try to Try to find the most essential pieces and if you want recommendations we can try to do that you know We're I'm not an expert in any of the three subjects we're working on so You can't a hundred hundred percent trust my word, but we can try to help you move forward And I would also say you don't really lose the opportunity to participate You know go ahead and work through the course at your own pace and Keep talking to us and keep talking to the other students in the course throughout the 10 weeks You know the forms are always going to be there. It's it's actually just the regular course forms that we've always had for those We're not going to shut them down. So you can ask questions and You know if you're still on unit two and everyone else is in you know on unit eight or something It's fine. You know ask your questions. The consultants will be there. We'll be here And again if you you know want more encouragement Let us know and we can try to be really peppy and Encouraging and help you move forward and bring it to a successful conclusion All right No, I think we've covered a lot of the Facebook is Certain questions everybody did answer So yeah, I know that Marissa Jackie here Rachel have been responding individually to people as well on the youtube stream on google plus on facebook on twitter and Maybe in other places that i've never even heard of So This might be a good time to start wrapping things up I don't think we have a lot more and i've been going to a mile a minute Which is my my normal Talking speed sadly Yeah, we did you know so Maybe in the future We can give a bit of a demonstration on the forms in e-portfolio and things like that and if you want that Actually, I guess what I would say is for people listening to this um whether or not you Or if you think you might want to participate via the forums or you might want to use the portfolio Not required just to guess it Go ahead and dig in if you haven't yet and explore and find out what you like and don't like and what You're confused about because we can do a screencast or we can help you out individually Or we can do another google hangout. That's you know, just talking about the forums Especially once you know, there's already some people who've participated and there's some voices there But if some of those conversations get going it'd be good to to run through and show what's going on That'll be good to show the e-portfolio. The study groups is there You can probably figure it out if you're willing to Kind of dive in and play with it. Um, you can't really break anything probably so you know feel free But we can talk about that in future too So we have another question from Darrell on google plus Apologies if you mentioned this already, but are you actively working to add more courses that can be potentially accredited? I understand that Luke for credit is a new and growing phenomenon. So congrats to your effort. Well, thanks Gary. Thank you Yes, uh, I don't have the List immediately in my mind, but we're working to do more things through more courses through national ccrs Probably this summer. Um, I'd say certainly before the end of 2013 uh, I want to say there's Maybe somewhere between two and four additional courses. So we want to put through the nccrs uh recommendations And We have several courses that Have been aligned to clep exams c l e p exams, which you can We don't run those exams, but you take them for a fee and they carry Basically, you know credit possibilities credit recommendations at colleges Um and clep is college board, right? Yes, run through run through college board. Um, So we're not directly affiliated with that at all big disclaimer. Um We just have aligned our courses to their publicly available learning outcomes for those uh for those exams. So we feel Confident that the courses will actually prepare you for those exams we've also done courses connected up to excelsior colleges You excel exams that are for credit At excelsior college and also get you a transcript that you can bring to other schools And we have worked with folks like straighter line. We have worked with Thomas Edison state college. Uh, we're actively working to bring a few courses into the fold there Some of which is so there's some of the business 205 210 poli sci 201 Uh repeat, but actually there's a lot of introductory courses. Um in some of those options I know we have econ 101 econ 102. We have english composition Um Our math 101 calculus course has been aligned with excelsior college one of our Other kind of mid-level poli sci courses not 201. He's been aligned with an excelsior college exam A lot of that can be found. Um On the footer of our home page if you go to Is it about or sorry our our projects? No, sorry our progress, right? Our project Our projects and then student credit pathways. Sorry. I should know So footer of our page our project student credit pathways takes you to a page that Kind of if you dive in you can see All of these options including the the club alignments So that was a really long answer. Sorry the short answer is yes We're working to do this more and we're working to do it with nc crs Which we've loved and with a number of other options that either will get you Transcripts or some kind of test credit you can bring to the school. What time we got? We are at Very good question 144 p.m Okay, so I think we're coming up on 45 minutes. Um I'm only so entertaining so I'm probably running out that value And so I think we'll wrap it up but what I want to say is thank you for For watching. Thank you for your questions. Thank you for your participation Support kind words to those of you and some of you I've I've met in person Really great to see you around and thanks for that Um, I know we've talked a lot about sailor summer school We're going to do more hangouts and a lot of that will be targeted more toward the full Open sailor community as well And for those we'll solicit questions ahead of time and have you know a pretty clear docket. So it's not just me babbling all the time And We'll do more hangouts for the summer school courses as well if you have suggestions go ahead and for them to us And other than that it's it's been oh, oh, oh important Um More people so not just me not just jackie. Although, you know, she's great Uh, but more sailor staff will show up and hopefully consultants and also it won't just be one single big video And then other people who can't talk and have to type in a little boxes Uh, I think what we can definitely do is one bring staffing consultants in so you meet more of the team than just us Because there's actually people you can't see them. They're like 15 feet that way Who are working hard and doing their thing And and you should meet them because they're pretty cool But also Students and community members people who want to participate by video and have their own little box at the bottom of the screen And you know get like speaking privileges or you know, whatever Uh, so we can have a wider conversation Would be really fun and really great. So if you're interested in doing something like that Uh, and participating in kind of a student staff sailor Summer barbecue hangout thing Email us or send us messages somehow or call us on the phone Izzy or carol will probably pick up. They're both very nice And and we'll set something up. We're going to do more of this and more participation and less talking More conversation the good kind of talk So I think we're going to wrap this up. I'm about to hit end broadcast unless anyone else has anything to say And the recording of this if you are really a glutton for punishment will be available on our youtube page And we'll share that link too And thank you again so much for Being here and watching and doing your thing and letting us do our thing Which is kind of really fun and cool. So Thanks guys. Bye