 Grab an umbrella because a shitstorm of bitching is coming your way joining me the lion of YouTube Chris Stuckman The lion of YouTube You're the lion we're gonna move on though this episode is a bit different because we're actually arguing over which film is worse X-Men the last stand versus spider-man 3 The cast of X-Men is unbeatable in my eyes, but I'm here to complain So instead of focusing on what's great who's cool I'm gonna talk about the new characters and how bad they butcher the old ones kind of seems like you're cheating a little bit there Adam I mean you're already glossing over the greatness of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine Patrick Stewart's Xavier or Ian McKellen's Magneto I'm sorry Chris. I thought this was my show. Is he yours now? Dress is this is this the lion's show No, okay. No, I know it's not. Sorry. Sorry, please continue. Let's just start with Cyclops He was barely used in the past films, but here he's Unapologetically ripped from the film 15 minutes in he barely has two minutes of screen time You mentioned Xavier look what they did to him killing such a memorable character needs to be handled with extreme care and craft It was utter bullshit They have him slowly disintegrate like that vampire chick at the end of blade 2 for no f***ing reason He left his students an X-men family at the mercy of one of the most powerful and uncontrollable mutants ever seen Speaking of entirely wasted characters What about Venom? What are the coolest villains in all of spidey comic history and he's portrayed by Topher Grace aka Mark Ellis from Schmell's No And he's killed by something that my grandmother does when she's trying to get loud kids out of her yard banging objects together Gene Gray look what they did to my bride. Look what they did to my beautiful fem day my beautiful fem day Gene Gray's rebirth as the Dark Fiennus should have been an entire movie on its own Hell, we could have spanned free movies and become as epic as the Lord of the Rings. Don't fire me up, Adam Don't you dare do it. Oh, it's happening Crisp. Is that like a rampage but with your name inserted in place of ramp? It's exactly what it is now Gwen Stacy, okay? She's very famous from the comic. She's a fan favorite yet in this film. She's just another Mary Jane Watson a kind of Damsel in distress cutesy woman who doesn't really have much of anything to do Toby Maguire is likable as spider-man but halfway through the movie He turns into emo Parker and starts dancing everywhere one of the cool things I did do in this movie was bring Thomas Hayden Church on as Sandman He was great as the character but then he gets sidelined for the entire movie and why in the hell did they give Kirsten Dunst? Two songs in this movie. I mean, it's a musical for goodness sakes half of Spider-Man 3 is a musical What about Angel? He's given this cool introduction before being completely wiped from the film until the stupid final act where he flies Isn't out of fucking nowhere to save the day our villains aren't even sorry or bunch with juggernaut looking like a giant penis And everybody else having the superpower to jump high. Oh, let's not forget pufferfish, man Plus you thought Peter Parker was a bad emo every one of these villains is dressed like a retired evanescence member But do they break out into a choreographed dance number twice? I think not Adam I think not Gather around kids I'm gonna tell you the story of X-Men last stand and how it was ruined by one asshole named Brett Ratner All right, that's entirely not fair. Now. I'm just being over the top. I could easily blame Fox for this They rushed the script and the shooting schedule hit a summer release They could have waited for Brian Singer to get done ruining Superman returns But no they had to go forward. They had to let this debauchery take place There's actually quite a bit of controversy surrounding Spider-Man 3 as well Sam Raimi has publicly said that Venom wasn't supposed to be in the movie and that Sony Basically forced him to include a character that he didn't really want to be in the film Which is one of the reasons why he feels like this little tiny last-minute addition so because of that I mean a lot of this project to me doesn't feel like the director actually has as much heart in it because he's being forced to Include story elements he didn't even want to have in the movie So it's clear that both these films suffered from a massive amount of issues But at least Spider-Man 3 was entertaining from an action standpoint fight against the second green Goblin is cool Even with the Lord of the Rings ripoff shot plus Sandman's visuals are still pretty impressive So impressive that an entire city watches him in his final form giant Sandman creature monster thing and They're just sort of like oh, that's pretty cool I'll take that over a bunch of hot topic rejects jumping in the air like frogs That was the final fight in X-Men not only that but we have to see Magneto and Pyro throwing flaming cards at our heroes That's the best they could conjure up car bombs Look, there's no question that X3 is definitely the worst of the original trilogy But there are still some emotionally strong moments in the movie I mean Logan had to watch Xavier die right before his eyes. He even had to kill his one true love I mean there is some powerful stuff in the film Spider-Man 3 is not a total loss. We both know that the final shot where our three friends from this franchise Look off into the sunset and the most overused cliche on the planet. It's still kind of touching There was also some character growth by Peter this time He was able to let the pain he felt for his uncle's death go by in fact letting the killer go He made letting it go cool before Elsa did That was a frozen reference. So this should instantly get millions of views Let's just move on to effects before I lose my mind. I'll decide when we move on Which one of you douchebags did that? I hate you the whole lot of you X3 does have some pretty awesome effects. I mean, they have the danger room sequence with the decapitated Sentinel head. I mean the golden gate bridge sequence There's a lot of really cool fight sequences in the film that involve a lot of CGI Wolverine's claws don't look as bad as they do in the eventual X-Men origins Wolverine So at least they're that Spider-Man 3 however has a few great sequences ranging from an insane first confrontation with green goblin to the sandman chase The ending against venom is short and dumb But it's it's slick enough. It works kind of ramy still knows how to handle that spidey camous style And there's no shortage of high flying scenes that showcase our web slinger Can we just bring up the dance number again, please? I'll raise you a juggernaut, bitch. Don't you know I am I'm the juggernaut, bitch. They should have cast Jesse Pinkman for that line. Now that's something we can agree on This is actually one area where Brett Ratner didn't screw up He seeked out John Powell to do the score and I'm a huge fan of this composer's work His compositions are very strong and really hit hard Especially in that first encounter with the Phoenix all that said the original spider-man trilogy Still has one of the best superhero scores to date And that was thanks to danny elfman who did not compose the music for spider-man 3 That was christopher young thus the music was not as strong despite the fact that christopher young did do a Good job with the score and did I mention that kirsten dunce has two songs in this film? You did yes Then why is this even a debate? I'm not sure it is at this point Chris and I think x3 is a bad movie plain and simple The film has no subtlety to it The emotions are just hammered over your heads because it can't be bothered to take its time to build up some steam The only good news out of all this cluster Is that x3 can be forgotten now. It's no longer relevant. Thanks to days of future past So we've spent a lot of time here together ragging on these two superhero flicks, but i'm gonna be honest here I don't hate either of these movies. I think they're vastly disappointing. However, spider-man 3 tarnishes What could have been a fantastic trilogy because of a lot of stupid behind-the-scenes headbutting between sam ramy and sony He got a film that as a director He's not even proud of and that's sad both of these films could have been much better Yes, there are worse superhero films out there batman and robin for instance, but as a film franchise It really tarnished those trilogies Maybe now I could go back and enjoy it because I know it's a standalone crazy stupid mess of nonsense But no No, I can't do that because I remember I was at that theater the day that film came out I was in those seats Watching my favorite mutants get drugged through the mud Being hammered down by a shoddy script in terrible direction Oh, I remember and I'll never forget X3 was my 9-11 That was too much the good news adam is that you're not alone We all lived through it Together anyway chris. I want to thank you for taking the time to feud with me It's always a blast getting other fellow youtubers to collaborate come together talk about movies in a fun carefree manner I just want to say all kidding aside. This was a lot of fun to do. Thank you very much for asking me to do this I had a great time with it. You guys can find me at youtube.com slash chris stuckman with two ends at the end I love to review movies and games and thank you very much for having me on the show I'll come back anytime you want me because I like to do the rinse you guys made us go back We live a personal hell Now it's your turn you watch the video You decide which film is in fact worse Spider-man 3 or x3 sound off in the comments subscribe like the video and remember this is more than just reviews This is movie feuds. Hey, can we trademark the lion of youtube? I don't know what it means But I like it