 Great to have you back here on the breakfast on PLOS TV Africa It's now time for us to get straight to the papers and see what major stories have made the headlines this morning Kicking off with the punch newspapers. It's should be on your screen in just a few seconds And of course that we will be introducing our guest right after yes There you have it the punch experts worry or congewella Ahmed differ on Nigeria's debts Yeah, we will borrow more to build infrastructure federal government insists Nigeria's debt to GDP ratio rose from 29% to 35% says WTO boss and funds spent on debt servicing by government worrisome say experts Writer ex FIRS officials rearranged over 4 billion for tours not performed Press Council bill terribly draconian and worse than Decree 4 says ex-governor Oshova And also petrol smuggling persists 102 million liters consumed in May says the NNPC Sheikh Gumi alleges collusion as 200 are killed in Zamfara despite Buhari's no-fly zone the clerics allegation is an attempt to undermine troops and Denigrate the military says an Andrian army apparently Sheikh Gumi says the army is Colluding with bandits Still on the Pontius modern soldiers engage in engage policemen in brawl to free detain colleague One dead vehicles vandalized as robbers attack motorists on Long Bridge Baby born in prison special boys says on his wife at christening of the release and SARS protesters son To arrest it for supplying her bow drink that killed ten Quora family members and so Ludwig merges up the governorship candidate faction suspends ex CBN Helmsman Those are the stories on the Pontius morning Let's go over now to the daily son the headline reads military colluding with bandits alleges Gumi Says herdsmen better than iPod allegation force targeted at the Negrating troops and that's according to the army Immigration CG reveals how security operatives supply bandits arms ammunition NDDC forensic audits reports ready next month at Pabio and I'm bragobot Abga PDP crisis will give us victory APC Patriots Saludo wins after primary North wouldn't ask for separate Republic ACF Plans meeting with a fanny ferry or an easy south south leaders 951 million dollars payments dairy appeals to federal government to implement judgment Well, Harry knows nothing about controversial media bills. That's according to the presidency Low and says thirty seven billion Naira National Assembly renovation budget. We have indicated fcta Blames FEC for licking roof Federal government governor sued over financial autonomy for judiciary 2023 presidency northern northern youth elders forum endorses a governor by law Mohammed Attack on schools and STDC to set up female squad Ten die after consuming have a mixture in Kora state All right now moving to the daily independent newspapers Security operatives working with bandits Gumi alleges says IPO be killed security agents, but bandits only kidnap for money Comment to vilify military and undermine troop sacrifices, and that's a response from the Nigerian army Senate index NSA over two point three billion dollars one billion Naira 196,000 euros NPA funds Vows to expose government agencies refusing to account for public funds also in Anambra state. So little peaks up gargub and terror ticket Okay, give factions suspense him Senate blames fcda for National Assembly leaking roof protest report a legend approval of thirty seven billion Naira for National Assembly renovation and We have no hand in controversial media bills at the National Assembly says the presidency We also can see here in response to their cause called the federal government says Twitter ban not human rights violation CSO's way legal option against presidency and Senate over Loretta or not here Fiamme Bagudu Badaroo Lobby Buhari to extend the Boonee committee tenure And Bouchie governor to decide on 2023 presidency in three weeks All right, those are the stories that we can take on the daily independent Lastly on the Guardian newspaper air fairs spike as aviation few years 300 Naira litter at airports Beware of debt stress distress or conjure with an additional one African leaders Indian stabbed in legacy, but on long bridge robbery dies reject on a chase on a combination on dual Nationality grounds CSO's tell National Assembly I really does val to oppose Nigeria's breakup EFCC re-arranged three F IRS directors six others over alleged 4.5 billion Naira fraud and lastly here on the Guardian newspaper I know consists Abga won't participate in Anambra Gopal pause Good morning. Mr. Isekal. Yeah, I talk Morning always a pleasure to be with you. Thank you for joining us Taking a look at the papers this morning We see two papers the daily son and the daily independent talk about Insecurity and shake Gumi's opinion Gumi on the daily independence is saying that security operatives are working with bandits And on the punch on the daily son. He's saying that military Colluded with bandits that's according to Gumi. Um, how would you see the story and allegation here from shake Gumi? I'm saying that the military and the bandits are working hand-in-hand Yeah the concern about the I'm not sure if I should use the word or transits of them shake Gumi He's somebody that has a reasonable number of following on account of his being a Muslim cleric It's very important as a result. Whatever he says, he should know that it is going to be Understood interpreted within the context of his office Now, there are many of us non-Muslims I really want to understand the Muslim region what they stand for what they believe and a man like Shake Gumi is a very very very table face of the Muslim religion But some of his odd transits of recent have cast a lot of doubts in the minds of very very neutral people as there Whether it is him as an individual speaking or as a teacher of the Muslim religion so to speak teaching because When you say that Some people only kidnapped for money While others kill as a result that you know those who kidnapped for money are people you should negotiate and dialogue with It's it rattles something in my brain Secondly when he comes to cast a lot of aspersion on the military My problem is not because there isn't some truth to some extent. They say there's no smoke without fire But you see you have to be careful with your Tiction with your choice of words. You have to be extremely laconic at a stage in your life Where you don't have to paint? Everybody with the same brush because it can dampen the Enthusiasm and the zeal of the military. Okay, you must be able to isolate I saw the director general of customs making very very hard statements I think those videos went viral those of you that are compromising this will not happen except this happened You understand me He was he was careful to address the bad eggs in the system in every system with a bad ex exes But when you carry this same brush and paint everybody, it's not wise But this is the most morrisome part of it. There is a man called Reverend father cooker you read his statement and Muslims and Christians are like agreed that he addresses fundamental issues, okay now Within hours of him making any of those statements the precedence We will will literally abuse him verbally But you know all these things that shake me has been saying You are generally so you know more than I do please let me know one instance that the precedence Has cautioned him or called him to order. So the question is Could he be a voice of? Issa Speaking Through Jacob or There's something I need to know how to draw the line because there is something definitely missing Okay, it's actually a very good point. You've made I hope that we come back to it You know, let's also move still on the Pontius morning. There's a story there about petrol smuggling. It says 102 million liters were consumed in May You know, and of course analysts have put, you know, the number of vehicles in Nigeria side by side of course businesses and all of that and you know consent and you know Always said, you know that Nigeria cannot consume that much petrol in a month The NNPC is saying that these figures are that high because of smuggling What's your response to the NNPC's statements? I Think that I have maintained a singular position even when PBP was in power this concept of Subsidy of fuel supposedly for the poor is one of the greatest frauds in this country fraud on the poor fraud on the nation fraud on the system and they Let them just say they want to have this system that they're able to make all sorts of money and everything I have no problem with it. But please don't tie it on the poor and I've said it I as an individual Because of how God has blessed me and the things I have to do if you come into my house, you probably have up to six seven SUVs I Consume more fuel Daily than the whole of my village put together If not the whole of my world put together I consume more fuel as an individual and I am nothing compared to the executives that have all manner of fleet of vehicles They have all manner and you are subsidizing this fuel supposedly so that the poor will not support That is the height of Baldrash part of my language doesn't make sense Provide common transportation for the poor Let the fuel have a market reflective price So you don't have to smuggle you don't have to tell us all this, you know equalization and all those stories They're running to billions on a daily basis. It doesn't make sense So for as long as we perpetuate this fraud with people having figures that just I just mind boggling figures I don't even make sense. You have three cars and you're buying for what five cars. I mean, how do you? Who does that? All right, we see also that in Anambra State Saludo has picked the Abga Guba ticket and Okay, if I fact faction of the party has suspended him, you know, what do you think about what's playing out in Anambra at the moment? I think that we have more serious national issues leave politicians to play their game Let us talk what will help the common man. That's politics. I need to love so we will always be there Okay, I'm of your interest has no to do with the common man So let's leave them and move on if you don't mind. All right Do you have a comment on CSOs? here saying that They should basically sue Loretta Onoche and the National Assembly should reject her Candidature as any commissioner on the grounds that she's a card car member of the APC and she has dual citizenship of Nigeria and the UK I have so much comment on it. It goes back to the precedence the Bible states that all things are lawful But not all things are expedient The same Bible also says that wisdom is profitable to direct you have a woman that Even a PC members will agree that this lady is a Committed lawyer by the time I at my age and stage in life We're a dress that has the precedence phase top to bottom I mean no louder statements to be made you could support a system that you be discreet about it Everybody has certain level of political, you know, a line in a linear or things You know, but when you take it to to an absorbed level, it max you out somebody for not And such a person it is very difficult for you to put that person in charge of an Electoral body to wait for these people to go to to court or this the president should have known from the beginning that She really wouldn't be somebody to be put up for such a because you want to Give the face of an INEC that is impartial an INEC that can be trusted an INEC that does not lean to any side You want to give Nigerians a an electoral body that Nigerians, you know Justice should not only be done, but should be seen to be done. That should be your guiding principle with INEC You can do other things but not INEC. So do you think the presidency doesn't know other people who have You know, this this there's a way that we have come to a nation where The president is not a servant in a monarch And it's very very very important. We look at this the president is your servant That should be called to order that should be afraid of the people But when begging for a mandate begging the people to please please on three occasions Even on the fourth occasion they will say, okay Now he gets that mandate and becomes lord over the people and whatever the people say he carries like narrow headphones Puts here even when Rome is burning. It doesn't make sense The president and the presidency have to come to know that they achieve servants and not lords And when they do that they will start to care about what happens in the system a Leader does not pander to everything that the public says no you provide leadership But somewhere along the line the public we get to know that oh you took addition in their larger interest but when it comes to a special we are National issues that I mean look at the social media Nigerians are I've watched their incense and it does act as if excuse me like we are irritants As far as I'm concerned I see myself as an irritant to the president where my opinion can only annoy him And also money is like oh, what's the attitude saying? Okay, that makes sense and then explains to me Why he took that decision? He owes me that duty but Obligation and some people are like doesn't know who is talking about the president and that's the mentality. We must change Governors must report to us. They are our servants The way they live is my taxpayers money the money they eat is our taxpayers money. These are our servants It is an error that the servants are on housebacks and the Princes are on foot. That is the situation in Nigeria today. All right, and this elected officer. They need to think twice Okay, let's um, you know move to something, you know that I'm sure we must have heard You know a lot of times and its statements from the presidency saying they will expose this person or expose that person On the daily independent. It says he had the Senate in Dykes NSA over 2.3 billion dollars 1 billion naira 196,000 euros NPA funds it says that vows to expose government agencies refusing to account for public funds So like I said, it's not the first time we're here in the government threatened to expose Persons who you know, maybe mismanaging government funds, but we never actually get to see that happen What's your reaction to yeah once another story again similar Yeah, brother, you know, I've learned the I've come to terms with them the strategy that Government people adopt when they want you to come and negotiate and discuss with them They come to us in the public and say we're going to expose you. We are going to do this We are going to do that they come to the public and make those public statements But as soon as you go back to them say bros bros take it easy. Okay, I'll do it with it ends there So I think that they come to the public they use us as baits You know, they use us to say look, we're gonna do this and the people can come behind them at night And they said to and the case just becomes a family matter And my question is why do you want to come and tell us these things? I am going to do Why why don't you just do it? I think the media should stop, you know Reporting this they are I am going to I am going to Let the media starts reporting their actions. I have I have not their intentions Because we become heavy on intention. I will I'm going to a non threat We become very good at that. It's become a good tool to them Just for the people involved to come and discuss and negotiate with them and then it becomes a family thing It's a strategy that is working for them, but we need to wake up We need to rise up when the public starts to show no interest in all those things and say, please Don't tell me intentions report action report action when we do that. I think they will start to think twice about Okay on the punch newspaper, there's a story about Nigeria's debt profile. It reads endless boring Experts worry. Okonja. Well, I am it differ on Nigeria's debt So while Nigeria's finance minister Puts our debt to GDP ratio at 29% Okonja. We'll actually said it had risen to 35% and this was at an a African Development Bank high-level knowledge event and that happened on Wednesday, so I'm in here is now saying that Nigeria plans to still borrow more to fund its Infrastructure projects, but so come to a will on the other hand is saying that Nigeria's debt is is increasing And that our debt profile has increased to over 33 Trillionaire as of March 31st. Where do you come in Mr. Yeah, talk? You see Hello, can you hear us? I'm staying at all. The thing is that out of Things that we've created by our templates They look at facts and figures and those facts and figures are available to them as a result. We need to be careful Ask Nigerians to really start to look at facts and figures in our larger interest The borrowing has gone. All those don't tell me about debt to be ratio and blah blah It doesn't make sense. We are borrowing too much And I can't see where the money is going to and then NSA is being asked to bring this amount of money Why don't we just start by looking inwards? Where is all the monies that we are saying I'm missing here or unaccounted for that? Let us start from home When we have exhausted and Nigerians have come to terms that we have exhausted by mopping up all the funds that have been Illegally acquired in Nigeria. That is step one step two We all agree that any borrow in one of the best on Infrastructure and not borrowing for services for Consumption which doesn't make sense at that time. We will ask ourselves. Do we need to just Make do with what we have or move on I think this conversation has to go beyond the National Assembly who have become extremely complicit The Nigerian system needs to come in the professional bodies need to come in That's why the National Consultative Front setting up setting bodies to Objectively and professionally profile the things we are doing is the way that we should go Citizens should rise up don't always rise up in arms. Oh protest. It doesn't make sense Rise up in being strategic development partners with the system Let's join any ESG be a National Consultative Front and other professional bodies Let's come together form a team to network with the federal government Because sooner or later in the next three years, they're off and whatever mess that has been put is left to us and our children And the children's children. So the time has come when we must look at the concept of citizens responsibility and start to play that role. I'm tired of What's the word? I'm accusing government. I'm tired and we need solutions Blaming anybody blame game never solves any problem. We need solutions. All right, miss Isaac. Oh, yeah, I talk Thank you very much for your time and for joining us this Thursday morning. Thank you. Wish you a beautiful day ahead Thanks. It's a pleasure and a privilege. Thanks for having me. I'm really really really grateful Thanks once again stay with us. We'll take a short break when we come back. What happened on this day in history The 24th of June many years ago. I'm going back to just last year actually, but we'll share with you when we come back