 Is it ever appropriate to say if you don't like it here then leave in terms of a country? No No, I mean if you don't like it here work to change it I mean, I don't like it here in the way. It is right. I want to make it better. So should I leave? No, I don't think leaving is The solution if somebody has bad ideas and argue against the ideas but to tell them To leave that's not what America's about what America's about. I mean some of them will leave, right? I Remember Boba Streisand. You said if George Bush wins another election. I'm moving to Canada. I'm leaving Well, of course, she never left and you could say yeah, go ahead and leave right if that's what you're threatening to do go do it But to say that that that they the the solution Is to leave I mean if somebody says Cuba's a wonderful place that it's completely legitimate to say why don't you move that? You should go to Cuba experience it but not in a sense of leaving America in a sense of go experience what you're saying is good If somebody says I think what's going on in America is Bad and I'm gonna work to change it then great That's what America's about and if they have bad ideas then your job is to convince them they're wrong or to fight against it But imagine who who are the who is going to man the ideological police? Who are going to decide who stays and who leaves who's anti-freedom and who's pro-freedom and I am I pro-freedom or anti-freedom? Well depends who you talked I Mean objectively and pro-freedom, but nobody cares about objectivity. Is there an objectivity police out there? Is there anybody you trust to be objective about these issues? Should leftist leave should rightist leave should people in the middle who can't frigging make up their own mind about anything Should they leave I complain bitterly about America all the time and lots of people have told me to leave Am I the person you would like to leave? Would that make America better? No You don't like it here then leave is not an argument And it's not appropriate Certainly not certainly not by the president of the United States. I can imagine in an argument you're getting into Well if you hate America so much, why don't you move to Europe or if you love Europe so much Why don't you move to Europe? But that's not what a president does a President has not Worked to divide a country does not work to inflame differences He points out the differences. He condemns bad ideas But he does not tell American citizens to leave America that is un-American. I'd say that's anti-American I mean you can you can accuse I mean and and I did I said Obama was the most anti-American president in American history But you know what so's Trump in a different way But Trump is fundamentally anti-American and and his idea of leaving is an anti-American idea in America We fight for change in America We argue we debate We convince We don't kick people out we don't demand that they leave and when a president says something it's a demand You know you've been talking about the the bankruptcy of our our modern intellectuals and I know that in your most recent book This is really a manifesto to a group that you called the new intellectuals But you mind telling me just who they are in your own words and how they differ from the old style intellectuals Since the old style the presently existing intellectuals have declared their own bankruptcy by abandoning the intellect What we need today what are called a new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think Meaning any man or woman who knows that men's life must be guided by reason By the intellect not by feelings wishes wins or mystic revelations Any man or woman who values his life and who does not get want to give in to today's cult of the spare cynicism and impotence and does not intend to give up the world to the dark ages and to the role of the collectivist