 You're still actually the only person I feel like I really saw this report that, remember that Spotify was like, hey, we're not gonna pay artists under a certain threshold. And then I was watching you when you reported that, well, they actually lied about that, they were still gonna pay and there were like, there's a lot more nuance to it. Can you explain your, your, you know, disgruntled nature with the way things went and then why, and then how things actually are? I've just been consistently disappointed with journalism. I mean, that's in all arenas without straying from the music business though. When it comes to the music business, journalism is just dismal because I understand that the writers are writing for a broader audience. So those people don't wanna hear about the minutia of intellectual property rights or the different royalty streams or mechanical licensing and what the mandatory minimums are and all that. So, not mandatory minimums, that's going to prison. Statutory, statutory, that's what I meant. Oh boy. So then they end up writing these catchy headlines that they know are gonna capture people's attention. So they'll make up a headline that reads something like Spotify will stop paying artists who do not receive 1,000 streams on a song. And they just ended at that. When in reality, the only royalty stream that they can legally withhold is the sound recording, AKA the master. And then you start digging deeper and if you know that this isn't really gonna affect Spotify's major stakeholders, i.e. the labels who own these vast catalogs of sound recordings and they're not worried about 1,000 streams because even their legacy catalogs are doing well. So when we get these little articles that are written by people who might themselves not understand the music business at a high enough level to write articles such as these, then that trickles down to the creators in the social media space. They start spreading the narrative and I don't blame the music community. And it was honestly, for me, I was extra upset because I got it wrong because I was questioning how this was legal. I was questioning how a platform can just decide not to pay legally guaranteed royalty streams just based on some arbitrary stream number. And I kept questioning that and the answer was always, oh, we don't know until somebody, and I wish I had the names, someone on Twitter was like, no, you got it wrong. They are still paying mechanicals and performance royalties because they have to. I'm like, yeah, but that's what I thought. But the article said nothing, they will pay nothing. So there was a billboard article and I forget the author's name, but she was one of, she was the only journalist who reported accurately on this and that's what was frustrating to me because this isn't the first time this has happened. Now that I'm in the music business and I'm living and breathing this every day, I'm looking at these articles, I'm like, this is just clickbait with no substance. At least if you're gonna write a clickbait headline, have the substance in there and it's lies and deception. Spotify doesn't care, they're not gonna correct it because who cares, right? They're not here to educate artists. That's the crazy part about it to me though, how much they don't care. That was a very clear moment where I could tell like, yo, they don't, it doesn't matter. People are disgruntled, people like clearly don't mess with them. People say they wanna hop off, et cetera, et cetera. And they're like, nope, not a peep. Hey, just wanna drop this quick mention. 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Either way goes best of luck to you and your career. Yeah, because they're making their money off the consumers and that's the other thing. You have so many artists, individual artists saying, you know, we gotta get off Spotify. Why can't we just get off Spotify? All it's gonna take is for us to get off Spotify. That's not what it's gonna take. It was like all the people were like, well, just send your customers, send your fans to web three. What? Our fans and our customers don't have crypto wallets. What are you talking about? I don't even understand that stuff. You expect these people to understand it? There's a lot of misunderstanding of business in that conversation. I think we'll go a lot deeper on that side. But first, before we get too far away from it, I don't understand it as well as you do. You just said they did stop selling, I mean, still did stop paying out for the sound recording. So how is that legal? Why is that legal? And is that something? Obviously it's a small amount, especially when we're talking about a thousand streams, but can you, what's your thoughts on why? Give me something there because I still don't get it. This is a little bit above my pay grade, but as I understand it, there is no legislation protecting sound record rights holders in so far as a guarantee of royalties is concerned. So if you, for example, steal someone's sound recording and start duplicating it, that's copyright violation, copyright infringement. But if you just set a threshold for payment on that particular copyrights exploitation, then that's different from, say, the mechanical royalties which fall under the other copyright side, which is the underlying composition copyright because that actually had legislation codified. So I think it has to do with the fact that the major corporations have an interest in, you know, the record labels, they are owners of sound recordings. And so they want 100% of the power to do what they want with the sound recording. So if we were to place legislation on that minimums and this and that, that would hurt them and they have tens of billions of dollars so that they would never advocate against their own best interests. Whereas on the underlying composition side, publishers, for example, will, and PROs will fight and advocate for higher royalty rates because that benefits them. It also benefits the artists, whereas with the labels, you know, if they own the master, they do whatever they want. Having that control benefits them more, copyright infringement. But if you just set a threshold for payment on that particular copyrights exploitation, then that's different from, say, the mechanical royalties which fall under the other copyright side, which is the underlying composition copyright because that actually had legislation codified. So I think it has to do with the fact that the major corporations have an interest in, you know, the record labels, they are owners of sound recordings. And so they want 100% of the power to do what they want with the sound recording. So if we were to place legislation on that minimums and this and that, that would hurt them and they have tens of billions of dollars so that they would never advocate against their own best interests. Whereas on the underlying composition side, publishers, for example, will, and PROs will fight and advocate for higher royalty rates because that benefits them. It also benefits the artists, whereas with the labels, you know, if they own the master, they do whatever they want. Having that control benefits them more. Wow, what's up? It's Brain Man, Sean. And if you liked this clip, you can listen to the full episode on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you stream your podcast. 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