 Hey, welcome to the first ever Zelda Informer podcast. I'm your host, Adam, and today I'm joined by... Uh, my name's Adam, uh, also. I go online by Adam Thrive Jr. I'm Colin. I like long walks on the beach and video games. This is Jay, and I'm extremely tired. Awesome. Uh, this being Zelda Informer's reboot podcast, we had a podcast a couple years back, but it was canceled, and I was brought on board to the Zelda Informer team to start a new one. So let's get started. On this podcast, we're going to be talking about some news relating to Zelda, Nintendo, video games, and anything in between. It's a community podcast, so feel free to email us suggestions, tips, stories, or anything you really want to talk about. I have our email address, zeldinformerpodcast.gmail.com. That's zeldinformerpodcast.gmail.com. So how's everybody doing tonight? I know Jay said he's tired. Yeah, that's just nice. Okay, but I'm doing pretty well. Papa John's. You know why, Adam. All right, I ordered Papa John's at like 640, and it didn't arrive until like 10 minutes ago, and right now it's nine o'clock, so... Speaking of delays, what game got delayed recently that I'm thinking of it? Was it Hyrule Warriors, or was it Smash 4? Half-Life 3, all the time. No, neither one got delayed, I think. I thought, wasn't Smash 4 supposed to come out sometime in September, and now it's been delayed to October? No. No. Smash is out in Japan right now, and they said end of summer. Originally. Yeah. I thought it was out on the 13th. Oh, by the way, guys, we're recording this podcast on Thursday night, and it's going to be coming out Saturday afternoon, so our information might be a little old. I know that a Smash Direct Connect is going to be going on tomorrow, on Friday, for about eight hours. They're going to be spending time just talking about the game. Oh my god. Yeah, speaking of that game, a lot of news has been coming out from the woodworks in the past couple of hours. Some people have some advanced copies of the game, and they've been spoiling like crazy. Now, we're not going to be talking about it so much, because you guys probably don't want to hear the spoilers yet, but we're going to be talking about a few things. Say right now, what was spoiled? Literally, everything was spoiled. Well, considering this isn't going to go up until Saturday or Sunday, theoretically, the news would have already hit, wouldn't it? Yeah, it's already on Kotaku. They already have. Yeah, but some people are probably going to be avoiding the news, because they don't want to hear spoilers. Good point. The full roster size has been revealed, and there have been really surprising characters added to it, and a lot of things have been put to rest, thankfully, like, is Ridley going to be in the game? Is Ganon going to be in the game? Oh man, Ridley pisses me off so much, not because the people who like Ridley piss me off because, like, Ridley's a character. He was shown as a boss on Pyrosphere during the original Direct. I mean, oh my god. I honestly was just worried about my man, Ganondorf, and I'm still worried that he's not going to be in the final game. I already know, but I don't want to spoil it for you guys. I'm just worried because he's my main and rep in that cell to franchise. Spoilers, M. Bison is in Street Fighter. How dare you, sir. I don't think you can... I wanted that to be a spoiler. ...a fighting game. Today, I was at school and at college, so I don't sound like I'm 12, and... Colin is in fact 12. I'm actually 13, but I was showing off some friends, like all the quote-unquote leaked, not really leaked, more like people played through the game in Japan because it was released today. And we went into class after I showed all the new characters, and they're like, oh, don't spoil anything. I'm like, what's their left? I mean, unless Smash 4 has a single-player mode, like subspace, which it doesn't. Well, I've already heard some reports that possibly there are some characters that aren't going to be playable yet that will be revealed as part of a connect, like a connector Wii U to your 3DS, though none of that has been confirmed to some speculation by people saying that there are more characters among the... Well, I mean, people thought that Sonic was in Melee, so... Oh, yeah. That's true. But right now, this is the biggest-sized roster by far of any Smash Bros. game, and that includes Project M. Yeah, it feels pretty massive. There is room for, I think, what, five more characters? So it is possible that maybe with the Wii U version there would be five new characters, or possibly it's just DLC. I personally hope Nintendo doesn't include DLC with this game, and just in general, because I don't like DLC. But that's me. Yeah. I think they could probably offer it as DLC, but maybe offer it free if you do link them both to kind of push incentive to buy both copies of the game. Oh, I get you. Is Hyrule Warriors DLC paid or is it free? Um, I think it's paid. Yeah. You get the free pre-order bonuses depending on where you go, but... I do know if you pre-order... if you actually link both the 3DS and Wii U versions of Smash Bros. to Club Nintendo, you get the soundtrack. Oh, yeah. I heard about that. So they're already working on something like that. Didn't Europe just get the Hyrule Warriors box that revealed for pre-order? The whole... We got it too, but only for Nintendo. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's ridiculous. So only people living in New York can get the pre-order bonuses. Exactly. No, it's not even pre-order. It's first come, first serve at midnight release that they're doing. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's even worse. That's gonna cause a riot. Absolutely. I live in New York, and it sucks. Actually, at Zelda and Stormwind, we have an advanced copy of Hyrule Warriors, and one of our guys has been playing it non-stop for the past week. Yeah. If you've been following our coverage. I don't know how much we're allowed to say because of NDA. Disclosures and stuff. Is Ridley in Hyrule Warriors? Is Ice Climbers in Hyrule Warriors? Spoiler alert, yes. Is Ice Climbers in Hyrule Warriors? Ice Climbers would fit very well in Hyrule Warriors, I think. Damn it, the 3DS ruined Hyrule Warriors. Yes, the 3DS. It's all the 3DS' fault. Sakurai. Mesh, potato, samurai. Oh, and they just announced the new 3DS. The Xenoblade. Also known as the dedicated Metal Gear Solid handheld. The 3DS has the new retro version that's being announced. Like, no one really needs to calm down with all these different versions of the 3DS because it's just making people sad. Well, I want to wait to get the new 3DS, LL, whatever the fuck they call it. I want to get it just for Xenoblade. But now they have the retro ones. Yeah, they're talking about making a new 3DS all together and they're releasing another 3DS. What is this? Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this on Zelda in former two. We're kind of debating offline a lot about is this the actual new system and they're just kind of codenaming it new 3DS. But I mean, it comes out later this year in Japan. There's already been adaptations for it as the new 3DS. I think it's going to be like the SI situation where there's like maybe three titles that are improved by the new hardware. But that's about it. But one of them is Xenoblade and I need it so much. Because I mean, even with the improved CPU, I doubt that's going to give more developers like incentive to make more 3DS games because it's only slightly faster now. Well, not even 3DS games on the new 3DS. They'll still code it for the old 3DS because that is a much larger install base. Well, yeah. So I mean, I feel like you're only going to see a handful of titles, one of them being Xenoblade. Because even with the CirclePad Pro being out there, there's only like no games that use it. I can only think of Kid Icarus uprising. And now... And even that's only for left hand mode. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that is true, isn't it? Yeah. It's Resident Evil Revelations, which they announced Revelations 2 and it's not going to the 3DS. Metal Gear Solid 3D. Moon Chronicles, which is good, by the way, you should buy it. And Monster Hunter 3 and 4. Well, that's... Yeah, that's just barely a handful of games. Wow. Yeah. So, yeah, I think it's... I'm happy to know that this new hardware is coming out. I want to see what games could come out for it. Actually, wait, maybe Project Steam. Oh, yeah, Project Steam. That game... I remember seeing it and thinking, man, this is just... It's underwhelming, but maybe some Wii U games or older Wii games would now be ported to a... Or maybe a Majora Mask 3DS? I'm sorry. I would hope so. Actually, I thought... I thought of Wind Waker 3D coming to the new 3DS. Oh, God. We are going to beat the hell out of that dead horse. I'm actually thinking maybe that's why Shin Megami Tensai X Fire Emblem has been delayed so long, is that they're waiting for... Possibly. That would make sense, actually. Oh, don't do that to me. Is that game taking place in the Fire Emblem universe or in the Shin Megami Tensai? They haven't really confirmed anything on that one as far as storyline. Like, they announced it, what was it, 2012 or the beginning of 2013? And then it died off, and I just maybe three months ago finally saw something again that said that they are still working on it. It's still being done, but... Yeah, it's still alive, but... But yeah, it's nothing. I'm really curious about what they're going to do with combat or any of that, because I've played Shin Megami Tensai IV, I hate it, but I played it. And Fire Emblem Awakening is one of my favorite games of all time. I can't see the combat. I can't see the combat really just like overlapping all that well. The storylines maybe with the characters? Well, with so much combat. But I mean, the only thing I could see is like, I don't know if any of you all played Project Cross Zone? No, I haven't played it. I played maybe two minutes of the demo. It kind of had the... Yeah, so it kind of had that same Fire Emblem feel where it was your board and you moved your pieces around, basically. But then once you got next to another character, you'd get into a battle sequence. And I'm thinking that they may do something like that, but that would take so much away from the strategy of Fire Emblem if it becomes a combat system once you meet somebody. Basically took a whole new direction with the combat in terms of the game. And from what we've played through, it's really good. It's hard. It's not as old a game that you're really going to be used to, but it's really good. So I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. And I think that, especially if the sales for Hyrule Warriors and this upcoming game that hasn't really been announced yet, well, not really been even shown yet for the Shimagani Tensei Fire Emblem game. If it does well, you could really show that Nintendo's open to trying new things and we willing to go in new directions. Actually, even elaborate upon that. Pokiken Tournament. I am so hyped for that, you have no clue. That is easily the biggest deviation from a series game. I mean, Hyrule Warriors and Zelda kind of, but it's still heavy combat. This is just... Right. Especially after... This is just like pinging off into a whole other direction. This is just like, we're going one direction and no, no, different direction. Yeah. And what was it? Like six months ago, they actually came... Pokemon came out right and said, Pokemon lives on the handheld. That's where it's going to stay. That's why this was the last thing I was expecting when they announced that. It's even weirder is that it's beginning off in Japanese arcades, which there's a good chance it'll be poured at the console if it does well in arcades. But still, it's like, that's a bit... That's a strange place for it to start. Well, I think what they meant by Pokemon lives on the handheld, they're probably saying like, you're never going to get a full Pokemon. Yeah, because they've done console games. They've done Pokemon Calls. See, you see on Pokemon Stadium. Well, yeah. Yeah. Which is hands down the best game in the franchise. I love Pokemon Stadium. Personally, my favorite is still Pokemon Yellow. But I'm just an holy... I mean, my favorite Zelda game is linked to the past, so... I love Pokemon Yellow. Hey, yeah, I'm not that way. If I were to be honest, I think my favorite probably be I'll second you on that. Those had those perks of after-game content that the rest of the series hasn't really been able to touch. Yeah, I really like Pokemon's reboot generator. I'm actually really looking forward to them. I got Ruby and... What is it? For Sapphire? Oh, I was going to say something like... Alpha Sapphire. Shiny Sapphire. Alpha Sapphire. Because it's ridiculous the names. Speaking of ridiculous, the mega-volutions for some of these Pokemon are absurd. Tak and Sharpedo, man. That looks so goddamn stupid. Isn't there like a Mega Mudkip or something? No, Mega Swamper. There's going to be a Mega Leasing. Yeah, all the Mega Leasing's pretenders. In some kind of a giant cloud, like... Why am I still alive? I will be so happy with that. I'm honestly most surprised by Mega Altaria getting Dragon and Fairy type. That's interesting. That's just not even fair. Actually, my favorite Mega so far out of all these are Lowpunny and Glade. Those two just look really badass in my opinion. And I'll be choosing Blaziken as my starter. So Mega Swamper and Sceptile can go just like not exist. I'm very happy with those two just not being there. Okay, so we talked about Pokemon. There's not really a whole lot of Zelda to discuss. Because there's only high Rewarders coming out. There's something that I really wanted to talk about that I haven't seen as the I talked about in a while. Which is like, in Twilight Princess, Link does a Sumo Wrestling competition. Or some kind of wrestling with Gorons. Yeah, no, he has Sumo Wrestling against not Goron, but just like a really large guy. Yeah, and... Well you do eventually face the Gorons. But it just made me think like, what if they did other kinds of fighting styles? What if they did like him doing boxing? Or some kind of item that has to do with that? Or some form of martial art? I mean, it... Or even different sword styles. Because he just uses a long sword in his shield. What if he just has like a clay... That'd be really interesting actually. I think it'd be cool if they tried new things. Which is why I'm kind of happy that Hyrule Warriors, at least in our analysis of the game and other websites early, little sneak peeks, they've really liked it. Because it shows that people are willing to try new things. Actually, there's not just websites that are saying like little things, there's people that are full on like breaking their contracts and uploading hours of gameplay footage. I remember seeing a few on YouTube already, where someone just playing through the entire game in English. It's not really a thing that's special. I mean the whole game has already been spoiled, because GameXplain showed literally everything in the Japanese version. True, but I'm surprised that they're not getting any... Honestly, there's not Nintendo who's not always the best about people. Cough, cough, ESRB leaks, cough, cough. Well, I mean probably because the game is already out in Japan, so I don't think there's any... You're not really leaking it, you're just showing something that was just released early in a different language in a different continent than elsewhere. Yeah, and at that point it's kind of up to the person watching it. If they want to actually go through and bother with the translations, then they don't care as much as somebody who sees it accidentally. Also on that previous note about Twilight Princess, I went to a store recently that actually had Twilight Princess on the GameCube. Oh, wow. Oh my god, what? For 50 bucks. That's ridiculous. And I didn't pick it up because I ended up buying Eternal Darkness for 25. Oh, that's much better. Yeah. That and what else did I get? I got... Oh, Batman Forever for the Genesis. Clever works for you, man. I'm still on the Destiny... I'm still drinking the Destiny Kool-Aid. I do not like Destiny. Oh man, that game is so good. It's... I love it. It's everything I wanted from Borderlands and Halo so far, so I'm happy. Adam, I'm right there with you. I haven't been able to really stop, but it's holding me over to Hyrule Warriors at least. Yeah, Hyrule Warriors, I'm going to be playing a lot of that. And then my best friend who's the biggest Zelda fan I know comes down the week after. And we're going to play the hell out of that, too, with Smash Bros. It's going to be a very eventful weekend. Speaking of overhyped stuff and the Wii U, Ubisoft actually announced the release date for Watch Dogs on the Wii U, November 18th. Who's ready to not buy it? I was about to say, is this for the news of all three people who care? Yeah, exactly. I'm just ready for Ubisoft to go, like, see, like these games don't sell on the Wii U. And it's like, yeah, because you're selling them, you're selling them full price. You know a game I'm more excited about? What game are you excited about, Cohen? The original Legend of Zelda is currently available for purchase at Nintendo's, Club Nintendo's 3DS eShop for 200 coins for the next seven days. Yep, until the 18th. That's awesome. That is awesome. Oh, true Zelda believers. That's a game you should get. I got a pretty good list coming out. Hyrule Warriors, Sunset Overdrive. Oh, I'm excited for that game. Oh, man. Yeah, I'm excited for that. Oh, man. Bayonetta 2, which, yes. Okay, okay. The Master Chief Collection, because I am a horrible dude, bro. And they owed us the Master Chief Collection with Bungie. It's not like even something that we needed. Omega Ruby. This should be out already. And Super Smash Mouth for the 3DS and Wii U. And the Wii U, I'm getting the GameCube bundle. Oh, speaking of Super Smash Brothers, I just remembered that the other night... Super Smash Mouth. Super Smash Mouth. I'm glad someone caught that. I almost said it. I almost said it. I heard that it's like... Alf just got announced as a alternate for Alomar. It's not really a spoiler. That's something that Sakurai himself put up. Yeah. So, yeah. Which I think is weird. It's strange. We made it. In my mind. I would have preferred Louis, but I'll take that. I would have preferred more colors for Alomar's costume. Actually, no. Louis' hitbox would have been different. So, no. That actually makes sense. I retract my previous statement. I'm very upset that we can't talk about the quote-unquote leaked fighters of Smash Brothers, because there's one I'm really excited about, and it's Final Smash. How about in the last 10 minutes of the podcast? We'll talk about it. All right. Because all I can say is like, if you love the movie back to the future too, you're going to love one of the final smashes of one of the characters in Smash Brothers. I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about, but I'm going to wait till the last 10 minutes to just break free with that, because I'm so hyped. You have no clue how ready I am. Actually, me and the guy who was talking about pre-orders have forgot your name already. I'm so sorry, dude. It's Colin. Yeah, Colin. We both have the exact same pre-orders, except I have Boreal Lance's pre-sequel on there also. Um, I guess. I have like one PS4 game pre-ordered, and that is because I own all the consoles because I'm a shill, and that is Order 1886, which I'm probably going to horribly regret, but. I like it. I like what I've seen about the order. It's good to know the PS4 is at least going to get a game in the next year. Michael Pachter, did you guys hear about this? Michael Pachter said some really interesting things about the next gen. I mean, he's usually false on those things. Yeah, but he said something that's made people really mad. Like he called PlayStation now a joke. Well, that's true. There is no publisher that is going to license content that's less than two years old, because they would be concerned that they can't sell as many copies if they make it available for subscription or rental. That is a lie because Silent Hill Collection exists. Yeah, he also said that Microsoft and Sony will convert their brand over to cloud-based game streaming services going forward, and Nintendo simply won't be able to keep making hardware, which I doubt completely. Oh, that's bullshit. Nintendo has proven that they can do things that other companies just can't really do. Like, uh... Nintendo's the stone pillar of gaming that will stay there forever. They are not moving. Everything else revolves around Nintendo, especially Apple and Wii. Well, he was talking more about the hardware, but even then, I'm still thinking that that's untrue. I think Nintendo can definitely sell its own hardware. I mean, they've made like eight versions of the 3DS at this point. The 3DS is doing fine. It's the Wii U that's lagging behind, and even then, it's gaming steam. Well, that's what I mean. The 3DS has had so many versions that the beta is trying its hardest and still can't sell. Yeah, and even beyond the handheld, it's like the Wii U, I remember reading a few, I guess it's been about a month ago now, the Wii U was actually up there right on top of PS4 as far as sales go, and the Xbox One was the one falling way behind. But I mean, I know the Wii U's been out for a year longer, but accounting for the sales that it actually had in that first year of its life, I think it's really made a jump that showing Nintendo isn't really down for the count. They just didn't have the support as far as software goes. But with Smash coming out, there's no competition. Is that right now the PS4 is not selling at all in Japan? Same thing with the Xbox One. They are not pushing units at all. Oh my gosh, I saw the screenshots for their lines. Which is why the Wii U... For the Xbox One release, that was ridiculous. The Wii U is actually getting a lot of good press. Is that serious now? The PS4 is not popular in Japan? Yeah, its launch was awful. I mean, it's abysmal compared to the US numbers, but it's still a good launch, but nothing compared. It is still a good launch. Now I don't know if anyone saw the Xbox One Japan launch screenshots. I think Kotaku covered it, where there was nobody in line all the way up to its release. I'm not surprised though. The Xbox has never done well in Japan. They don't get their sales in Japan. They get them from America and Europe. I think the issue is that both consoles have nothing that audience over there want. They want JRPGs, which is why the PS3 is still kicking. I think when Sunset Overdrive comes out, the Xbox One sales are going to skyrocket in Japan. Because that game is exactly what they look for. Yeah, because right now, I mean... It's strange, it's cool, it's very high-paced, and it's very well polished from the looks of it. I'm really hoping this game is lying down. But I feel like it's gonna... I don't think destiny or infamous or Killzone's gonna sell over there. Killzone doesn't sell. Killzone as a series has never been a big seller. Killzone as a series has never necessarily been good either. Yeah, it's always been mediocre at best. I've played each one and I'm like... It was the big seller for PS4 and like Shadowfall, but I've played through Shadowfall and it wasn't very exciting. I think it's one of the most lowered, like, reviewed Killzone games. Yeah, I honestly would rather go back... I mean, the multiplayer for 3 was alright. I own Killzone Mercenary on the Vita and it's fun. And Liberation on the PSP was like alright, but not really a Killzone game. You know, Game Out went back and played recently, and it was really fun? I played 4 Swords for GameCube. I had the GameCube... Oh man, I love that game. Plug your Game Boys into it. And it was the best. I played the... Here's our setup. I played the green one, because I actually knew what I was doing. Two guys fought over the purple, even though I would have loved to have the purple one. They wanted it more than me. And it ended up working out the best. The guy who was Red Link was the most volatile. He was the most troublesome to everyone involved. Yeah, that sounds about right. Blue was pretty quiet, and the purple one was like, wow, this is amazing, guys. We're on an adventure. This is awesome. Look at that. I don't know what I'm doing. Help. Somebody help me. He just kept... There was one part where you get shot out of a cannon through a hole, and you fall up, and then you just move around so you get out of the hole's way so you fall on the ground. He kept falling up and down for a good 30 seconds. I was going to say, going onto 4 Swords, there was actually a website called Rose Colored Gaming, and they make a lot of custom Game Boys, and all that kind of stuff. And at one point, they were actually selling, for some ridiculous price, I think it was like $1,000. It was like four fully-customed Game Boy advances, and each one was a different color and style pertaining to the four different links in the game. Honestly, 4 Swords is one of my favorite under-appreciated Zelda games, because it's just such a blast. I don't think that's under-appreciated. I don't think it's under-appreciated, just that it takes a lot... Yeah, I think mine was the only one that kept it from being the bottom, because when we did that Zelda and former votes... I'm pretty sure they put it at least in the middle of my list. Let me explain myself before we continue, okay? The explanation is that it takes a lot of equipment to get up and ready for like to have a true 4-man adventure. That's its only downfall, if it didn't have that. But the thing about it is that the screens are incredibly helpful. Like, when you're going, when you're trying to cattle four different people, yeah, these look great. We're gonna link this up in the section below. So you can check it out. They've retired them, but I mean, they're awesome. Those are beautiful. I like that. Look who came back. Hey! Yeah, so someone just showed up. Does this mean I get up? No, no, it's off now. Yay! So anyway, I think we're... Have we reached that time? Yep, we just reached the last 10 minutes of this like 40-minute podcast. So, uh... Oh, I didn't get to talk about... Did you want to talk about something? Did you want to talk about something else? Special first time! Yeah, I wanted to talk about the thing I was showing you yesterday. Oh, which thing was that? Aw. Uh, retro gaming stores. And their horrendous pricing. Yeah, the recent boom in retro gaming, being like a highly coveted prize in terms of like how much they charge is honestly a really big issue. It's caused a lot of issues in the community. Yeah, we've dedicated the last couple of minutes right here at the end to talk about Smash Brothers. If you don't want to hear any spoilers, then I guess I'll send it off now So thank you for listening to our first podcast and it was a little rough at times. But we really appreciate the support. Be sure to email us any tips, suggestions, anything like that at our email address, which is zeldinformerpodcast.com. That's zeldinformerpodcast.com. So have a good night or good afternoon, depending on when you're listening to this. If you're sticking around, then we're about to start the spoilers in three, two, one. Okay, duck hunt dog. Duck hunt dog. Duck hunt dog. Duck hunt dog. Oh my god, duck hunt dog. The hype train has no brakes on this. The hype train has no brakes. The hype train has no brakes. So I actually haven't seen it yet. Is it playing like Solid Snakes did in the last one where you kind of gain control of the screen and start shooting things for a little bit? No, he actually spawns like the cowboys from Wild Gunmen and they like fire a pot shot and they leave. I want to say it's more like the thing that I'm most excited about is probably the eyes of duck hunt dog. From what I've seen it, that's what it looks like. The weirdest thing I've ever seen in a Smash Bros. game. Oh, okay. Ganondorf. In the game. No, duck hunt dog. You mean the best one? No, that still goes to Game and Watch. That still goes to Game and Watch. Thanks for me. Yeah. Duck hunt dog was one of those like when it was leaked, when the image or whatever was leaked a few weeks back. It was so ridiculous. I saw Duck. Could not believe the leak. Yeah, I saw a duck hunt dog and I was one of those people who was like no duck hunt dog. I mean, it's a cute idea but soccer I'd never put that in there. That has no place in Smash. And he... Mega Man, Pac-Man, Sonic, Mario, and duck hunt dog. All of these characters. No, I would say the only two things I played in the Soulja. Even the all star mode is Mega Man. Well, even the all star mode is all about based on how many, what year they came out in. They'll be like 1963, 1973. Oh, also Little Mac. Yeah, Little Mac as well. I wouldn't say Little Mac only because there's a recent Wii game. But the other thing is that the menu screen music and everything is all Smash 64 music. It's not Smash Bros. Melee music, which they were using for Brawl. It's the original music. I think that this game is really them going to the Distalgist. Just with the character lineup with Pit and Dark Pit, which was baffling to see that Dark Pit was actually a character. And Dr. Mario. Dr. Mario, who hasn't been in an actual game since Mario... I'm disappointed highly that day is a clone. ...not for many years. I am super happy that Ganondorf's back. I had to just get that out there. Did you add... Wait, did you actually doubt that he would be cut? As any man should. Yours, Baz, the Captain Falcon dude. Indeed. I mean, it's like, of course he's going to be in the game. He's one of the biggest characters. He was Sakurai's main in Brawl. I didn't know that. Yeah, he means Ganondorf. So it's like one of those... Of course he's going to be. Ganondorf is Best Dorf. I want to be honest, as soon as I saw Shulk announced, I was happy. I was like, I'm done. For those of you who still listen to that... I'm done. Oh yeah. That was it. It's all I needed. I'm in Orlando, which is currently one of the biggest smash scenes for at least Melee, and definitely for P.M. and Brawl. To us down here, characters being renewed in the new game is very important. The ones that aren't Melee purists, which a lot of us down here are. And Ganondorf was my main for the longest time. It still is. It has schools. Because he's very dear to me. I heard he might be getting his sword. Is that... Yeah, I live in Hirshini. I've heard that. Not from what I've seen. I've seen a guy who was trying to unlock him. I have... I was barely paying attention, but I didn't see a sword right after that. So another thing that I liked that had actually surprised me, I can't remember back to the leaks. You all helped me out. But Dark Pit was his own character and not an actual alternate, right? Yeah. Dark Pit is his own character this time. He has a different... And Dr. Mario is also his own character. With Mario's original Down B. Which is really... Which just means that Mario has just become obsolete. Exactly. Yeah. But with those two getting their own characters, it kind of... I'm now a little upset that Fierce Deity Link actually was just an alternate skin. I think he could have actually had a complete Lune move set dropping the sword with the Helix sword. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, especially with the others getting theirs. I just felt like... He had the... I don't know. That's just me, but I'm also... The Lune sword is definitely a strange starting point from the Master Sword. So yeah, I would agree on that one that he could have been his own character. And apparently... No Ice Climbers. Yeah, that's a sad one. I don't know why everyone's so mad. I don't think anyone... I've been to a lot of Smash Bros. tournaments. I've never seen anyone play Ice Climbers. They're fun. I play Ice Climbers. Ice Climbers are fun. If you can desync Ice Climbers, they become really OP quickly. Have you heard of Wombling? Sort of. Basically, there's an infinite grab. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You can get the Ice Climbers in melee. And there's one guy who's like... That's crazy. He's famous for it in the Smash scene. Yeah, there's... Smash characters are very important. I remember having a discussion just today, really, that Adam was also a part of the other Adam in this conversation about a cunt dog possibly being a counter to Fox. And, uh... What about the fact that the cunt dog is supposed to be, like, in spirit Banjo-Kazooie? Did you see that? Yeah, no, there's an alternate skin that apparently kind of resembles Banjo-Kazooie. Yeah, it turns the duck red and the dog like a dark brown almost black. Right now, I'm just kind of surprised that the lack of new characters that weren't revealed. Like, it just seems like there were, in Brawl especially, there were a lot more that weren't just... Uh, I think it was actually even. Unannounced? I think it was actually very even, because Lucario wasn't announced, Lucas was announced, but Ganondorf also wasn't announced. Same with Ness, if I remember right. I think it was very even. There was 12 unannounced characters, 6 of them being new, 6 of them being veteran. Well, then we've also got to take into account the 4 that we may potentially be getting for linking the Wii U with the 3DS versions. No, isn't it 5? It may be 5. But one of those being Mewtwo, that right there is all I needed. Lucario's out. I don't even care about Lucario anymore. Lucario's in the game. I still don't care. Yeah, I know Lucario's in the game, I won't be playing him if Mewtwo is available, is what I'm saying. Yeah, that's one of those. If it comes true, cool, we have another Pokemon. I still don't care for either one. But who are the other 4? I can't remember off the top of my head. People have been predicting Chorus Kid still, because of Gamatsu. Ridley. People still want Ridley, so of course, Ridley's got to be in there. People also want Impa as a Sheik clone. Which... Yeah, I'd be okay with that. Phoenix Wright. He's really Marvel vs Capcom, so I don't think... That and Cooking Mama. I know those are very weird choices, but those are prominent Nintendo DS. Phoenix Wright and who else? Cooking Mama. Oh, yeah, we talked about that. We talked about that before. We talked about that. I think she'd offer a good moveset. Cooking Mama can have Kirby's old Final Smash. Yeah, I think it's about time that we wrap up. Yeah. I want to thank everyone for tuning in to the first Zelda Informer podcast. And I hope you enjoyed the discussion. Once again, let us know if you have any suggestions, tips, stories, questions, things you'd like to talk about in the community, anything in this community podcast. It really depends on you guys. This first one was just us trying to get a conversation started and see how things go. There will probably be new people next week. So send us all that to our email address at zeldinformerpodcast.gmail.com. Once again, that's zeldinformerpodcast.gmail.com. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks, guys.