 Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always is my co-styler. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Good. I'm enjoying your YouTube issues over here. Everybody vents is the reason we're late. It's true. Tom's not here No, no, it's completely my fault. So let me explain before the show started I was trying to very quickly put up the Twitter post for it. This isn't like three minutes before we start and I Had the wrong keyboard. I have multiple computers in front of me I picked up the wrong keyboard and I typed and I've typed like control or like shift SHO like show start soon But instead what it did over on the computer that it was connected to where I had the actual YouTube up is now It looks all dumb. I don't know what else to say the YouTube video looks dumb. It's now a big full screen There's no frame around it It's just a big black edge with a black search bar up top and then the chat is like a little pop out over on The right side as opposed to just being in a normal YouTube window And I really hate it and I spent this whole time trying to fix it and I can't fix it And it's making me very very very very angry because I just hit a couple of buttons and now YouTube is ruined So there was where I'm living. Anyways, how you doing Tyler? I'm great, man. I am good. Maybe somebody in the comments will or the chat here. Nope. It's Tom's fault Let's stay consistent. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good, buddy All right. Well, hey, we've got we've got a fun thing lined up tonight. We're gonna do a little AMA We're not we're gonna answer questions. We're gonna we're gonna have to rapid fire some of them. No, no opining But like if anybody knows what I did by the way hitting like control. Yeah, thank you all to for very funny You know, please please tell me I am open to suggestions At any rate, let's start with some news. How about that? Absolutely. All right. Yeah, we're gonna have to burn through some of this stuff quick because my god We got a lot of questions rumor engine. It's an axe. It's nice to have a rumor engine that we might actually be able to guess I mean, of course first thought fire Slayer's axe. I was thinking go trick is this fire Slayer's axe Is it something else? It's not f11. Everybody by the way, it's not full screen the YouTube player Went into like I can still see it. It's not full screen if I know what f11 is I hit that it goes It still goes out farther. It literally changed the YouTube player and I don't know what it did at any rate. Please continue All right Slayer's is that what we're looking at here, buddy. I don't think so is my honest answer. I really don't I Don't know what it is. Oh, I fixed it. I fixed it Tyler I just couldn't fix it in the preview mode it had switched to theater mode from default Thank God was it was it f11 it was f11. It was not f11. No, it was not It was theater mode. Okay, you know, all right, and that button isn't there when it's in preview So somehow I figured out the keyboard commands to turn on theater mode, but there was but that button did not exist to turn it back So anyways Yes, thank you, Mike. Kath Kathart and Peppo. Thank you both. All right At any rate. Yeah, I think it looks more like a I don't know. I think it's an old world axe or Something like that is my honest answer Yeah, the simple it's a very simple design very simple clean design. I think it's an old World Warf character That's my thought All right, right on works for me. Yep Okay, up next we've got a fancy dark oath army box So if there's a history on the show of something like called it or nailed it Which is impossible impossible to resist you know Think back of the thousands of things that we say on the show and the One out of a thousand times that we get something right and you just feel compelled There's the to take credit, right? So anyway, I just wanted to make note of that not necessarily Complete that thought but yeah, somebody may have said something about this Tyler there's ways to hit a bull's-eye in a target. You can just you can train your whole life Right really practice and then make that one perfect shot or you can just fire like a thousand arrows That's the policy here Yeah, I've got the box set up here. So this is our new army set. This is so let's lay down some basics We've got five dark oath horsemen marauder horsemen. We've got 20 Marauders we have the chieftain on horse as well as this new what's he called wild-bending or something like that like our Corgirath number two a big weird monster that this is gonna be the box that exists in and then well And then we'll probably all forget about it, but at any rate, this is the dark oath Corgirath and Wilder fiends well there fiend there you go. I know I was in like kind of the ballpark, but yeah Okay, these are the replacements for Marauders and Marauder horsemen These are the AOS new replacements for those things good those models were trash Unfortunately, they they they have to go back to like the old world where they where they will still continue to be garbage back there But they can be garbage along with a lot of other old garbage models, but that's okay The I think that a lot of these models individually are really cool I love that you've got some really nice design. They're very dynamic. They've got motion. They're everything we would want out of AOS models They do look like they're on bigger bases like 28 mils or 32s or something like that probably 28s And I love the haircuts and the the I love that you've got like male and female Dark oath warriors and both the riders and the people on foot. That's fantastic That's really cool. They all and like a lot of the faces are really expressive I couldn't bring up and save the individual faces because it's one of those little spinny wheel things That doesn't save the images on the on the site, you know, sure they were But they were like super You know quality faces you see the sculptors actually like getting some good-looking female faces and stuff like that So all that's fine. And my final answer is I don't care at all. I Don't like dark as a concept. I really don't it's like not what gets me going when it comes to When it comes to When it comes to life's darkness, yeah, like I just I'm a fan of the classic like iron wall kind of look I like chaos warriors chaos nights stuff like that But the rampaging barbarians has just like always been something that fell completely flat on me Like this stopped being a thing when people invented guns guns should stop Sure Yeah, well it seems like there are quite a few people excited for this that are out there And that's what my friends are so one of my friends been yeah looking forward to creating a dark oath forever So I'm glad to see that I love the horses. The horses feel bulky and like a good size I don't know that's one thing I felt was the best horse horses horse models But yeah, these these feel like well proportioned rather than the riders. So kind of a minor nerdy thing, but yeah Yeah, so yeah, very very cool to see this Yep, so like for me, these are really great sculpts. This is top-notch work From excellent sculptors at the top of their game doing some of the best work They've done that just like I don't care that just isn't for me, right? That's that's that's all I do not think they're bad to be clear. I think they're actually really good Yeah, okay, cool Ah Iron shake says Vince I remember a war cry set a while back with barbarians versus some spider-looking people Are those barbarian miles related to these barbarians? Yes, they are all Dark Oath people As well as the Dark Oath war chief and War Queen like going all the way back to the bed that war chief I think who's the first one we had who came out of Silver Tower That's what this all comes out of and now finally the the Dark Oath promise has been fulfilled. So there you go Cool, that's a good note by ready to write ready to roll. I like this box It's basically an exact mirror to the ceo's box 20 petrified calf calf heroes special single model Yeah, I thought about that and I'll yeah, they talked about this is a counter to the city's signal like literally that's in the the Yeah, and so, you know, it's good to get all those old models replaced. So when we get our relaunch of S2D and in 4th ed You know, we'll have now actually like we don't have to just purposely kind of make these units bad So no one ever takes them or buys them Sure. Yeah. All right next up. Yeah Okay, we've got Don bringers book 5 coming out Yeah Had a an article today with a lot of rules including the war scroll on the crone lady. So that was good to see She looks good. I know we'll probably hold off on talking in depth about her until we actually the show But yeah, man, she's she's fitting that utility hero type to a 2t Yeah, absolutely. I mean Seems interesting enough. I I don't know what to think about her because The problem I have Tyler is that this lady does not like all of the things that I Seem to like That is to say like I am a fan of things like snakes and Marathi stuff and things like that And that doesn't really see what she's all about, right? She's more about like Doomfire warlocks don't like them the regular witch elves and stuff don't like them so You know, I think she's cool, but I'm I'm I'm in the end. I'm I'm on team Marathi. So Sure. Yeah Yeah, well, I mean it seems to be going the direction that some of these newer releases have you know Like well thought I was opening up new pathways to play the army and that was Certainly an opportunity to do that here with her with the the ones you just mentioned, right? That you don't see a whole lot. We haven't seen hordes of witch elves in quite some time I'm sure I'm doing well on the work beating all drones or whatever, right? Because he she clearly wanted to be near cauldrons and stuff. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's a there's a couple people here and there that that I've been doing it But but pretty rare. So, you know, I think that I agree with you. I like opening up more more You know interesting alternatives and army builds and stuff within forces and I think characters like this help do that So I'm I'm very supportive of it again Just said this is like the not-for-me week, right like all things that I like conceptually and I'm here and I support They're just not for me personally, but that's okay. I can separate the two and still say I'm glad they exist That steward mentioned new multiplayer mode I think might be referring to siege mode that they talked a little bit about so yeah excited to see that and Yeah, we're getting some other alternate ways to play. So that's nice. I'm a little late in the game But maybe it'll be you know foretelling of what we're gonna get at the launch of fourth edition will be nice It'd be nice. It'd be nice if we realized that more than just one-on-one match play exists. Yes. Yes Like you know, like it's important It should be the main focus of the game, but other things exist too and can help grow your game So that too, okay All right, what's nice last item more emmer world anniversary models you've got on here. Yes Yes, so Next up we've got the more more dark oath just in case you You didn't get all your dark oath. We actually these are kind of in reverse chronological order everybody, but this is the way it works The yeah, this was the dark oath first revealed and I'll tell you the thing that made me the most sad about this Tyler was just like a week or two weeks ago. I was praising the cool antlers in the rumor engine Okay, cuz it's like me we're gonna get a deer or some kind of cool like elk model Right, and then we got this weirdo this little weird thing this spy versus spy guy here. Okay So yeah, although I do like this warband quite a lot again like these guys are just like sculpting on these is really exceptionally cool Yeah, looks awesome. I haven't seen the warmer plus show that feature these guys show slash episode I don't know if they're multiple if it's a show versus one episode that they're in maybe somebody can tell me But yeah, I'd like to check that out soon. It's starting to be a theme, right? I'm the all of these various models that are coming out following, you know callous and toll and Neve and the black talons. Yeah, so Maybe it's a way. Yeah, I get more people interested in some of the the story going on including us We got called out by Marty Orlando one of our questions about that on Twitter. I saw oh, it's in here Everybody's questions on Twitter up to a certain point in the day like it when I when I grab them all are in here Yeah, but yeah cool looking warband man. I dig this one. Yeah, absolutely Martin Orlando here is he's in the chat and he asked do I have a hot take on the poorly proportioned custodians hero? You sure here's my hot take. What's 40k? I never heard of it. Okay, so All right. Good. That's the news Tyler let's talk about some some pick of the week. What do you got? What do you want to share with everybody? Picks of the week. Thank you. Yes indeed so, I Mean it's I haven't we ever shut it out release. I haven't shut it out Rob in a little while It's easy to take his show for granted that he does every what Monday the stats center right reviewing the events from the past weekend I was watching that yesterday just I love that show him going through, you know, the event locations the list It's awesome. It's just an amazing thing that he does every week So I wanted to give him a shout out for that show We had a good number of events over the past weekend Lone Star Matt Taylor. We had him on last year, you know Matt's event Lone Star Had a couple 5-0s there Thomas Berger. We've had on the show. He went 5-0 with Skaven with a combined arm Skaven So it's pretty neat list. I don't know if he had a chance to see that one. I did not but I'm glad to hear it I'll say that Kale pick hell. I can't remember his last name. Kale went 5-0 with Flescheter courts Really interesting list by six horse six more back nights bunch, you know Couple arch regions been awesome to see all these different Flescheter courts lists. That's been showing up You know, trying out different things So, yeah, so that's one what else I Haven't what I didn't watch the pic slash pics of the week segment last week So I don't know if I think Tom might have shouted out our good buddy doing darkness. He did indeed. He did indeed What did he shout out? Was it it was at the Batrep or was it something different? Yes, the most the the the at that All right, well, there you go. I was gonna do the exact same thing. It was an amazing Absolutely awesome and fantastic as everything is that that man does Great to see him doing content again some very unique content as well as for the Wargaming community that I've been enjoying With with some yeah, anyway, especially his comments about You know sent your way Let's see. Goon hammer revisiting time competitive use of clocks Okay, so this was a second article and now a series on chess clocks that they've done and I just recommend it. I've been playing with chess clocks. We've we haven't got you on chess clocks yet But it'll happen. Nope. It won't It will not It will not Anyway, it was good article. It's a follow-up on one that they did. I don't know year two ago and Yeah, I liked it So I just want to tell you you're familiar with a statement an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, right? You've heard me. Yeah Yeah, okay a chess clock is like two pounds of cure. Okay, I Only need an ounce of prevention. It's called play armies You can play efficiently effectively and quickly when you play Suns or iron jaws or effective armies that don't Dirtle around and do a bunch of nonsense Okay, and have to be like let me move all my little 800 guys the point two inches to get to exactly the line and Spread to exactly this point on the objectives I want to just I'm gonna tow in exactly six people on the six inch line so you can see here But then the other ones are here so in a pile and I can bring exactly this number in which is more than what you have Over here so that we understand that if you charge me, I'll be able to pile and bring this many more on Yeah, cool. Great. I don't care shut up. Just move your stuff for the love of everything. Holy just play the game There I move my model. Look at how easy that was, right? See Tyler, you don't need Silly crap like that when you just play the armies that are actually like Built to work in the allotted get time that the game allows Chest clocks are trying to solve the ultimate problem that they have designed armies that do not work Within the amount of time we have allocated to play this game Yeah We've talked a lot about this and my issue of time and why I've been using them to get faster because I do tend to Play very complicated armies or I certainly make them complicated. I'll find a way to make you know anything complicated But yeah, I mean dude the last gti went to there were a lot of people who are not getting into round five Like it's still a thing in the community that that the game is taking too long For most folks, so but anyway Yeah, I get it. It is a challenge. It's not by the way I like despite what I'm saying here and the fine hyperbole of it. I don't actually blame the players I really do blame the fact that like the current complexity level of the game and how many of these armies are designed And the requirements of them and the way this game is played right now It is just not possible to play within three hours and all a chest clock does in my mind is Add more stress to that for some people. There are some people who under that kind of training and pressure will improve their their you know sort of speed of play and efficacy and efficiency of movement as it were but like a Lot of stuff just it just it won't it's not actually solving the problem It's making you aware of the problem Right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I I agree with you. I'm 100% convinced that it's structural. Yeah, like it's not Yeah, I've kind of gotten over this idea that it's it's on the on the player I mean, yeah, you can make different choices. Like I said, I mean, there's some things you can do something Certain a lot of things that a lot of players can do sure it better a bit faster But yeah, like that game five I played Megan's Jake and Midwest bash Played like an absolute maniac and he was one of the fastest players I've ever played against in eight years And we still only finished four rounds. Like I I looked like a crazy person We had people watching as my friends like you look like a crazy person playing Warhammer like you're stressing me out So it's yeah, it's it's it's well if you play this game at a comfortable pace with two armies of sort of like Average middling actual complexity and model count. It is a four-hour game That's what it is That's the reality of the thing Yeah, like I don't know what else to tell you. Okay. Sure. It is a two-pound shot We're putting into a one-pound cannon simple. Yeah, all right. Let me address some comments real quick Because we got a lot of them All right, so one a little while back Hades had said something like I'm certain the Dark Oath was supposed to be an Adept Con reveal. Do you think AOS is gonna have any other reveal? Hades homey. No, this was never an Adept Con reveal and In fact the size of this being revealed now should excite you because if they didn't have a huge thing in the clip What huge thing that's probably coming in June or July would they possibly reveal for AOS at Adept Con? What could it be? I'm they're gonna reveal fourth edition brother That's what it's gonna be. They'll reveal book six of dawn bringers and they'll reveal fourth edition Like that's why they're revealing this big box set now so they can focus on the real So they can so nothing gets in the way of the headline of fourth edition, okay Let's see other stuff. Oh, yeah, don't forget to hit like hit like for Everything so far because it's been fun and wackiness a lot of people ask why we didn't talk about the gnomes short answer I don't like them. There you go. Also. It's for blood bull But there we are if people like the if people like gnomes go nuts. I'm not here to yuck You're young. I'm saying I don't but that because they're not for a game We normally talk about that's the real reason Let's see and then Some people saying they have a really fun two to three turns. Yeah, I agree like a good game That only has three turns. I'm fine with it. If the expectation was this was a three-turn game. We don't be fine Yeah so Okay, so there you go and then you know, that's and so It's like I think those are I think those are all good. All right, my picks of the week My picks are not a link. You will not find them in the description instead. I wanted to talk about two things I want to talk about two things that recently came to my desk that I was using Quite a bit over the past couple days and really really liked so first things first Here we go, this is gonna be too small to really show but I had a friend of the show reach out This is super glue. Okay, and it's from aquarium co-op and It's like super glue meant for plants and aquarium decor and stuff like that It's safe for use with fish and shrimps and snails and all water it's safe and it's water Resistant because it's meant to be used like in fish tanks and stuff like that Mm-hmm And we had a friend of show who makes this stuff and they reached out to me and asked if I wanted to try some of it To using like hobby projects and I use some of it and Tyler gosh darn it if this wasn't some of the most fun Unenjoyable gel like super glue. I've ever used in my life. I really loved it So I will put links for these two by the way. I shouldn't say there's no links. I think this aquarium co-op I'll put a link down in there. It's really great. It comes in these little two packs. It was great If you use super glue, I specifically Reach back here. This base is drying. I Specifically used it on this big base, which we'll talk about in a moment and like all this stuff is just I mean really really really really on there So very solid absolutely loved it. That's number one number two other friends the show fellow Ohioans here Huge miniatures reached out to me and sent me like some of their stuff. This is huge h u g e huge miniatures They're like texture paste and stuff like that So I've been messing around with a bunch of their stuff all these things are gonna have videos in the future I don't know how to but like I'll all use the super glue in a future video, but it's hard to like do a video All about glue That's probably not a 15 minute video. This is super glue. It's pretty good But this huge miniature stuff they sent me this they sent me some of their fluorescence and some other things I've been playing around with them and really liking their stuff. So great alternative. They make a bunch different texture pastes for your bases and stuff I found them really really nice Still have to mess with the fluorescence, but I'm really liking everything I've used from them so far So huge miniatures and the aquarium co-op all link them both in the description check them out There you go. These are my picks. I just had a great time messing around with both of them And when I see products that I really really like I want to shout them out. So there you go Very cool. Okay So both of those will go in the description and hit like for awesome people making awesome products These are both like local people making very cool stuff All right With that Tyler let's uh, let's let's talk about some hobby time. Shall we mm-hmm. All right Hit like for good old hobby time Tyler. What are you been working on? Well, we've got so my friend Cody Wrote in Rochelle. They're gonna get the painting night going again So that's a commitment. That's on the books. I need to get properly ready to do that I've been thinking about So I enjoyed the whole if I If somebody paints a train table I'll paint a paint a model paint paint a unit. That's what it was paint a hero or a unit So we have a bunch of train tables that are gonna need to get painted for vault wars this year Yeah, yeah, so I think we need to do that again I like to find a way to better structure it and to have better Compensation rewards benefits, you know, like that's a big ask asking people to paint The whole tray obviously it's a huge ask, right? Take a leave of the of the quality that My my crazy brain seems it to want as far as vault wars tables. So Yeah, I don't have a whole lot to say about it like but I need to get that figured out and I think that would help me actually get back on the hobby horse and Kind of committed to you know painting the way that I would like to but but making it more meaningful collectively There's dude, there's this like a lot of things I would like to do around terrain, you know got the terrain directory done, right? Which I'm excited about that. I think that's cool We don't have a for example We don't have a not necessarily golden Dima, but some kind of shared competition for terrain like in the community Some kind of project that rewards it incentivizes it to celebrate I mean as I said, I think display board should be pulled out of any kind of judging in painting In general like I just think they shouldn't be part of paint judging it at tournaments at all And I think that instead there should be a separate award That is just called like coolest display or coolest display board or something like that that the display board is basically The massive part of or all of and that's terrain And I think by the way we should encourage people like there's plenty of countries where you bring Terrain piece to the tables or stuff like that right for you and things like that I think you know It should encourage people to have display boards that if you can that are built of terrain you can take apart and use on your table I think that's ultimately a cool way to go and stop making these like giant two-foot by two-foot or bigger Things that just are kind of sit there and then are pointless. I say with my giant You know ship hanging in the background here that has like no purpose at all That's that they're actually I'm trying to Upcycle is that what it's called when you when you take an existing thing and put it to use again That's like upcycle or whatever right. That's right. I think I have a line on upcycling that that thing so Where where it will Tyler actually become terrain and a table Excellent So anyway, yeah, thanks thanks for our motion. I just I Like you you know, like we're all very busy. We all have a lot. We're all doing too many things too many projects I I need to get this painting situation Yeah, structured in the way that it makes sense to me and it's not just me painting some stormcast models or whatever Even though I need to be painting some stormcast models to bring a stormcast army to Holy Habit that we're gonna do together in November That's right. So yeah, anyway, so there's that We had a work at RTT over the on Saturday, which was amazing We had 22 players that came out for that. We played light and shadow dude I hadn't played light and shadow all that much full transparency other people had played it and told me You know, it was working really well That mission is so much fun. Oh my god Great job with it. Yeah, I mean, I know it's funny to play your own thing and be like well I really actually Shout out to Bryce who was the starting point and I did a lot of work with Bryce on it my buddy Anyway, we played. Yeah, it was it was a blast playing playing work on emissions played sons on Fluctuations of power that was the the white dwarf one with six objectives Objectives are empowered or depowered you get an extra point. Yeah, you control dude Like it was finally playing bro I'd never played broad stomp like I understand that why a lot of people are doing so well with it Like especially now with an old stone icon battle tactic does available It was they were so good at scoring on primary He kept getting like he'd hold more and they need to get the empowered and I yeah I just fell behind and it couldn't couldn't catch back up. Anyway. Yeah, really interesting to see it Yeah, it's one of the armies of renown that had come out that I'm actually like completely here for it Actually is finally the way I wanted to play that army to be completely honest. So, you know, yeah, yep So for my hobby time obviously I made this big giant base you may have noticed here's this big giant base This thing it's obviously not primed or anything yet. That's just all the raw stuff. I it's still drying And you might say what is that big giant base for well, that's a great question Here is what that big giant base is for it's for this thing look at the size of this thing Tyler Now, that's obviously doesn't have any of his armor on him This is just his skeleton, but this is one of the big Heresy era Knights. He has a sword. See oh wow. He's gonna chop you the little sword I kept everything articulate so I can move him around like a little action figure So all of his all of his little joints still move Including this one where he's got his little gun arm So yes, he's got a little bit he's got a giant box of ammo on his back It's very funny to me that everything about these are just funny to me, but this guy is absolutely huge He's this mountain Imperial night the armor is actually back. It's kind of you can see a little bit of it right there back on the other desk That was so but I'm working on the skeleton first the skeletons Probably the only thing I won't make a video out of just because I don't think there's I've covered most everything there before I thought about me doing a new oil wash video I'm not sure like updating that but maybe I will maybe I won't um But this is gonna be a nergal night So I've done a lot of nights, but I haven't done a nergal night before So it's just gonna be a really fun chance to like really mess this this guy up now This is a heresy era night So he can't eat so it's a good it's a good chance for him to be like rusty and weathered and stuff like that but not Not modern 40k where he'd be like mixed with flesh and stuff like that like it's not that crazy Everything and heresy are still within reason. So I just I wanted to do a really heavily weathered night, right? So a good chance to do it. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah So You released the photos for a Bretonian night. I did. Yeah, I finished up that Duke on Pegasus Yeah, he looked amazing that guy was so much fun doing that like inverted wing pattern with the Sort of dark wings with the light hidden in was really fun. That was a that was not hard I have another one of those guys to paint. So I'll probably do a video. I did not record anything with that guy The first time because I just wanted to paint a fig for fun. Basically, like sometimes it's just for me But the But like I'll probably do a second one where I actually Where I actually show like how to do those inverted wings I don't think anybody will watch it whenever I do these technique videos on stuff like that I mean, I shouldn't say nobody watches it people watch it But you have to understand YouTube YouTube is a really punishing thing to make like videos for okay Because whenever I make a video that I really like because I feel like I'm showing people a fun technique Like the most recent one with ghoul flesh and bat wings, which if you haven't watched yet, everybody go check it out Okay, check out that video. Maybe if you already watched it watch it again I don't know put it on a loop in the background do something but like every time a new video comes out It's gonna tell you this video is x out of 10 Yeah, of your last. Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, okay And so any time I do a technique video like that even if it's something I think is really useful or hopefully fun or entertaining for people That is a straight nine or ten out of ten every time by comparatively no one watches those Okay, sure So like it's it's hard to sit there and go. Yeah, okay. I'll just make all of these now I've I've I'm not chasing the the algorithm. I don't care But it's still annoying when YouTube is constantly beating you up for it, right? My solution is the Scorsese thing one for you one for me, right? So I'll do one that's like I hope it does better in one that is just actually the stuff I want to be doing which is just sharing cool painting stuff with everyone And not giving a flip about total views if it's worthwhile to any number of people. It's worthwhile to me Anyways, big night. So look for look for night content sometime in the future. Okay, again Excellent. All right, uh, I saw the questions over around that Royal purple that royal purple can potentially always have a sheen to it because it's purple like They're supposed to be matte but purple as a color can have a sheen to it So it could be the bottle could be the mixture like it is something you want to really aggressively shake But purple always has the chance To to to have a little bit of a shine a little altramat at the end We'll take that down. We're just jumping ahead right to our questions with that Tyler Why don't we get into today's main topic? That's right. It's questions game and hobby am a Uh, here we go folks Okay So we have already harvested a bunch of questions from twitter from discord from places Uh, get ready. We're gonna answer all of it for you watching the show now Uh And uh, you know get your questions ready. Okay. Um, all right, and uh apologies in advance We don't I mean we got I made the mistake as I told me for the show of reaching out on top of your reach You reaching out on twitter and yeah, we've got way too many questions So apologies if we don't get to everybody's question I'm going to prioritize questions in the chat here. We will be going back and forth We were gonna we're going to handle these as quickly as possible Understanding that Tyler and I are both Obsequiously verbose. Okay, so at any rate here we go. I love that word. Yes, please ask questions in chat hit us folks Bring them in drop those questions hit like Subscribe hit buttons do things click around you can find some fun Accidentally put your your screen into theater mode and ruin your entire youtube viewing experience. You know do whatever Okay, here we go By the way, if you asked on twitter, I am I am bringing in I literally went and grabbed all the tweets. So Your question is publicly known that is to say like I know it was you that you're you know, we're we're put We're putting you on blast as it were. Here we go We're gonna start out of course tyler with yeah, martin orlando. Okay, of course. Yep All right The hosts seem to have an antagonistic or at least indifferent relationship with the concept of canon As far as the sigmar narrative goes Do you think that is because you like war warhammer fantasy battle or more or generally prefer your imagination to anything provided by the base text So first of all, I'm not sure I have an antagonistic relationship with the concept of canon I just don't give a crap. There's a difference like I'm apathetic not antagonistic um But like I just find most of the detail of writing in aos to be bad As I hope we've shown in the dawn bringer series Uh, and like it's just it's bad. It's bad thematically the characters are bad. They're thin everything's poorly developed and so on Other outside of a few really good stuff like the callous and toll books Uh, I certainly didn't like warhammer fantasy battle lore more. No, I thought that was even stupider. That's just like That's just a bunch of nonsense crap. That's just not england fighting not france And then getting in weird sort of racist wars in like not northern africa and not italy um And so like no, I definitely don't like that more. I just truly do prefer prefer my own imagination. Yeah You have anything? Yeah fair cldr Yeah, I haven't tried it enough, you know got turned off early on by the What were those the realm gate war series and just kind of the initial day of the land and then Didn't go back to it. I know that we've got friends right in the community who actually do read novels And they read a lot of the lore and the battle tomes and they love it So I I think it's probably at this point. It's more. I need to actually give it a serious try And yeah, see how that feels I love I mean, I think part of my personal anchoring is the end time series, right? Like that was the last dedicated set of Yeah, yeah, which is actually like good really good Yeah, it just doesn't seem to be of Competing on a fair plane, you know, if you're right Yeah, because you they're telling a story there that can have real consequences And oftentimes you can't do that in in normal storytelling in these games. Yeah Yeah, and years that build up with right with all these different characters and it's kind of yeah It's the culmination point as opposed to the beginning. So I don't I don't think that's a fair playing field um, but you hit you'd hit one of the big things for me is the This constant feeling of lack of depth to characters And lack of stakes and Yeah, it's just Sure. Now. I love aos lore writ large. I get a high level. It's that's what I'll say. All right Let's let's grab some quick questions out of the chat. Here we go. You ready? We're gonna we're gonna rapid fire some chat questions. Mike cathcart says Dear mr. Game and hobby love it. Uh, you've got me psyched for a scaven army in 24 What are some good models to start on that aren't super likely to get recast soon? Well, given what we saw out of the leak, it is hard to say what isn't isn't going to be recast But my guess is the most recent plastics would all stick around. So this means Um, storm fiends will probably stay the vermin lords will probably stay These are some of the biggest or most complicated models though, which is the challenge I really do think almost anything other than like those Items are kind of up for grabs. I think that you we could almost anything else could be thrown out You know that being said just grabbing some clan rats or the the the war the underworld's war bands like slinks or The spike claws swarm any of those things great starters five six models All those dudes will probably go through they're all brand new plastics And they'll all give you an idea of the types of surfaces You're going to want to encounter and let you develop color schemes because a lot of them have like one plague rat Or you know, whatever one plague monk one Storm vermin one clan rat type thing. So right, you know, right one eschen guy So I would recommend the underworld's war bands. That's my answer Okay Christopher cruise can you get primer off plastic? Yeah, sure Like ellie's totally awesome or anything like that if you let it soak for 48 hours and then scrub with a warm water And a toothbrush it'll come off Uh purple power will also do it Uh pat noon is competitive painting a scam. No No, not at all. Um, there's plenty of really really excellent Uh painting competitions and that that recognize the incredible quality that a lot of competitive painters do There are some competitions. I like less than others. That's really that simple Uh, tyler, I'm gonna let you take this one. Haiti said should all factions get terrain pieces Would you like to see faction scenery? It's Haiti's push come to shove. I would rather we do away with the lot of it I I'm not a huge fan of it personally The yeah Yep. Yeah Just do away with it I would like to yeah, I'd like to see this game Take things away often more than add things. Yeah At this point I I agree. We do not need faction terrain. We certainly don't need faction scenery What I would love is boxes that I could go buy off the shelf that are realm based terrain Here is how you here is a group here is a box of terrain that is setting up your guhr table your Shumon table your whatever whatever table. I think that would be the way to go Yeah, that relates some of the thoughts Not a massive tangent here, but in terms of right what I was talking about earlier Trying to incentivize more train painting in the community We have this there's not been much effort around creating realm realm themed train tables Yep, like Harner has done that. There's been some examples of it But for the most part the community has not tapped into that as much as we could have so yeah I'm really interested in exploring that space and trying to get ways more collective effort around doing that But you're right dude. Like they haven't supported it hardly at all. Yep. I mean they've done a little bit, but yeah Huge opportunity. Tyler. Here's your chance, buddy Clayton helman tyler. What are those pictures behind you specifically the econ rights photo? Okay, I want to explain it so I told vince early on in hopping on this show that Maybe I should take Some of these things behind me down So that people don't you know get like any kind of political Economy messages on this show and get upset events Uh for propaganda or something and It took how long have we been doing this show? This is the first time Anybody has anybody has ever asked about it. Yeah, and and that's what you told me you're like, dude Nobody's gonna care. Nobody's gonna see it. Nobody's gonna comment on it. I've been so disappointed that it's taken It's finally happened. Thank you, Clayton. I appreciate it It's just the some of the political economy work. I'm involved in some for work. I've always done coordination of science technology philanthropy projects usually with a longer term horizon Things like a I regenerative medicine tissue organ engineering all kinds of crazy things And I've recently of the last five years gotten involved in political economic work So I don't want to go a lot of detail with it because this is not what the show's about But yeah, it's related to that It's not but this the show supports workers rights and supports, you know unions and things like that Like I'm gonna be straight with you homie. I don't I don't Like that's what we're here for like after that. I told tyler put that thing back up. I'm here for it Like I'm not I this is not a political show. We don't talk about that crap But I'm also not like this is meant to be fun and goofy, but like also I don't like have your picture, you know be you That's it. Okay Uh, cool, uh Let's keep going if you could port one aos army to 40k Skaven if you could port one 40k army to aos none. There you go. That's my answer This was jc effery jsephry. You got any thoughts tyler? Uh, what was the question if you could port one army from aos to 40k, what would it be if you could port one army the other direction? What would it be? One army two, uh, let's see back and forth between the games I'm wanting to say craft worlds just because I love craft worlds both no thinking involves. We already have elves Bring in those dumb jester guys. Those guys are fun. The little harlequin weirdos. Those dudes would be fun Just weird people dancing around Right, uh, I'd say that's all I got on that one fair enough. Uh, okay, let's see um Do to do to do Uh next up here, uh, how do you translate the ideas of a paint scheme into a concrete idea? I know color theory is big here, but I've been having trouble with that with sylvaneth I mean the answer is test models So I actually have a video on this the gris go check it out I have a video on literally how to pick a paint scheme and how to develop it I give you lots of ideas in there The short answer is the simple stuff you'd imagine like do some test models see if it looks right Ask other people does this look okay or what looks wrong like people have a very indelible sense of color theory even without like subconsciously even without really Knowing the details of it And you know, so do some test models mock things up You can usually grab little cutouts of the guys and then like just paint them sort of in like a Paint 3d or something. It doesn't have to be a high-end program Or or a gimp or whatever and and just kind of place colors Loosely and and get a general concept. I think that's usually the way to go You can also just take a photo of your mini and then knock it into black and white and put it in the photo thing and paint it Like it's that easy And I think that's because then you can just move colors around and see if it balances In the end if you think it looks okay, and other people around you think it looks okay. It's it's probably okay Um Faust how many armies is too many armies for this game? Tyler? What's the actual upper limit? How many armies is too many armies? You got like about we got we'll call it 25 right now Yeah I mean It's 30 I would that's what I was gonna say 30, but like I was thinking could I could I see going up there? It feels like 30. Yeah, because I mean we're already like if you look at us compared to 40k We're around 40k's number already. I think they're higher. I think they'd be Well, yeah, I guess if you if you count like all the Two dozen different space marine, etc. They get their own stuff. So they're their own thing. Sure. Yeah, but anyway 30 seems right. Yeah, yep Okay, uh Very good. So there you go, uh sickness question vents and Tyler which miniature that you've painted. Are you the most proud of and why? Good lord. I have no idea. I really I really couldn't tell you man It has to be like for army versus display and I don't know There's lots of them that I like over time little little things. I'm proud of but Um, I couldn't I couldn't pick just one. I can't pick one of my babies. I really can't I'm sorry That's a disappointing answer sickness. It's a cop out pick pick three Pick three Uh, whatever the most recent display thing is that I did because I'm generally like that's I'm generally pushing myself as much as possible there uh, the um necromunda Gang that I won my first golden demon with because it was incredibly meaningful And I predicted where those ganger girls were going because I can did cybernetic conversions from scratch on them And then they ended up releasing models that more or less matched to the conversions that I made So I was very proud of them for multiple reasons and the um gate breaker Gargant for army painting because I thought he came out really fun and I I like his big flaming sword and I like that weird machine frankincinia nature of them. There you go. I picked three Awesome. Oh, I just tell this and she wrote the terrain dictionary. Who what is your favorite terrain stl creator manufacturer? If that's a great question Let's see. So there's one. I don't know how well this one is known so once I might be not pronouncing that right S is in sam a w a innocent nct 3d Uh, this dude this guy has I don't know if it's a guy. I think it's a guy Based on what I've seen. I believe that Their terrain would work would be the best terrain for what what's the The prior to age of sigmar or age of chaos. What's the name of this setting the like the What's there's the age of myth there it is. Okay, got it. I didn't know what you're aiming at. I know. Yeah, the age of myth So this terrain I think would create would make for amazing Age of myth themed aos tables. Oh, so one 3d. Yeah Uh, so I want to get I want to talk with polkastro back getting some of this stuff printed out because I haven't seen Any nash con tables with it. But yeah, that one's amazing. Obviously, there's printable scenery Uh, what's another one 3d hexes has really great stuff There's there's so many but yeah Right on Nice. Okay. Let's see. Uh, but boom boom. I'm just trying to catch up here to where we've got the next question Uh, here we go. Uh mirror when making something like a snow or desert themed color scheme Should you be keeping all your color temperatures the same eg pinkish highlights for red cloak instead of orange for a snow scheme? Um, you can't I mean it's it's honestly up to you like Is the character standing near a fire like, you know vikings often burnt buildings and it's they might be raiding a snowy village But if the village is on fire, the local ambient temperature is going to be pretty warm, right? So, I mean you can you can be You know, like Technically if something's in a cold environment, then it should have cold highlights universally and then the shadow should be warm And vice versa. So like if you're asking the the specific guideline, yes But again, the fig is always yours to kind of do whatever you want with there's no one magic answer Anything like that. Yeah Cygnus mine is this dorky Be some nergal that I painted. It's my favorite nergal model that I've painted. So yeah so far And connor it was amazing meeting you two men. Thanks for all your help with train setup and yeah and at the end of the day Uh, I was putting connor to work helping us break down at the end of the day after his three games connor I didn't hear how you did by the way So maybe if you get a chance to add in the comments, you know, how your army went He was playing cities of sigmar. Nice. So he had a nice army Tyler here's a here's a here's a hot one should endless spells go the way of the dodo Yes, I think uh, I think so. I mean dude, like I do enjoy them personally. It is just an I don't know. I'm a little more torn on this. I think you are unequivocally in the camp But yes, I am yes for the general the army specific ones can stay around if we want because they're they're more constrained They're not taken by everybody. They can be more tightly controlled and everything like that Yeah, that feels like a pretty good compromise I I do and I do enjoy them on the whole they're the inverse of our of battle tactics in that they belong Only in the armies and not being generic Right. Yeah Yeah, I do enjoy that layer to aos. I think it's it's a nice differentiator. It's unique. It's interesting A little surprised they haven't done it yet for 40k Which yeah, but anyhow, it's yeah, absolutely. All right. Let's hit another one here from my sheet. That's up There's a fun one from k on twitter who said what is your ideal for how the scaven army should function Not that far off of what it is right now Like it's they they had a lot of stuff correct But ideally it's a mixed arms like the standard aside arrangement should have the ability to go lots different ways to build into the different Clans and run all of those different routes like do the all ninja rats do the all artillery do the all big pile of bodies thing Sure, but like this sort of standard array the best config best configuration should be a mixed arms force of you know bodies to the front guns to the back monsters in the middle You know characters weedy and amongst their Being sneaky and for the most part and then lots of like lots of high variability randomness that you really want to push The button on but with the one time you roll the one your entire unit blows up or explodes or something Basically, most of your unit should have about a every time you do a thing It should be about a 15 chance that it completely kills itself if you decide to use the advanced Randomness mode 15 to 20 percent. That's the correct thing That's how they should do it when they do that wrong like they did with the doom wheel You never use it because it's stupid and if they don't understand math Um, the book they wrote was just like they didn't put enough time into it It's like the ogre book. There were some really good ideas and then they just did not spend the time to develop it yeah What would it look like if there were a scaven design brief that said maximize gas lighting What would that look like as a concept maximize gas lighting maximize gas lighting because I don't know if I mentioned this before but I do enjoy use gaven players And your penchant for gas lighting about your poor fair army and just how much you struggle to play this game Uh, Tyler, we we have and always have had and will always have the most fair army in aos It's that's been more consistently true than it hasn't that's all I'm saying. That's the line. Yep. I enjoy that line Absolutely hit like for awesome scaven fairness Uh, we're the only army that kept all our downside stuff. I'll say that Like I don't see animosity running around in orcs and goblins anymore. So, you know, just saying Oh Okay The sloth bear Vincent Tyler, what do you see being in the next dawn bringer's book in terms of factions included? And possibly what new models so book six here? I assume is what we're talking about Um, like the the yet unknown book that that is still obviously going to be waiting in the way Because we're not ending on random crone lady. It's chaos. It's super chaos and I assume corgis call and Everything like that like the finishing of all the big stories Hopefully a new valkia that'd be really neat I'd be super here for that Okay Yeah, we talked a lot about that during the prediction show. Yeah So, yep Cold spanks, what about faction based terrain that doesn't affect the game? You mean like something that's not doesn't actually do anything. It's just like a piece of terrain Sure, if you want to make boxes full of neat Like this is ogre terrain and it's just like it's ogre looking terrain. It's just like that. Yeah, sure. Okay Yeah, I'm all for that. That's how a lot of steve's tables are made up Like tyler, you haven't seen his slanesh table yet. I don't know if I don't know if you've seen pictures of it Maybe on uh, I did. Yeah, I saw some photos But that was the photo that came from what I donated to him from my old slanesh board I donated all that to him and he made the table out of it. So it's a big gladiator arena. It's made out of the play school Arena roman arena and he did a great job with it. So it was fun Yeah, it's a really really really fun board too Okay cool cool cool You're gonna you're gonna have to allow me to get some of my, you know, 100 questions that I that I don't worry We're gonna get there as well. Okay. Absolutely. Can't can't just can't just hog all night here No, no, not at all. We're not going to I'm just I'm just trying to make sure we keep up with the chat. That's all Okay, all right Uh, okay. Oh, I love you. I love plastic crack. I love you, man Ryan vince, what is your favorite city and state and why is it Dayton, Ohio? Get out of here get out of here Dayton, Ohio That's insanity. Obviously. Obviously columbus is best. Okay uh, let's see um Oh, Clayton said he was a history major in college your specialization in social and political economic us history So those photos photos caught his attention Very nice Okay Let's do another one here from from over here on the sheet while we're doing it Uh This one's a very me question But I but I but I want to hear what your thoughts are on it first. I don't want to I'm not gonna answer this You ready here? Okay. Karnath says you mentioned that you dislike slanesh's current play style What would be a mechanic you would see implemented for slanesh that fits the theme? How would you redesign? You know something like twin souls or whatever Tyler, what do you feel about current slanesh? Yeah, I was I mean if I've said it a few times this show I always think of that smashing pumpkins line, right speed kills, but beauty lives forever That as like the design principle for slanesh if you have talked a lot about this that It is it should be the ultimate Glass cannon army now we have that right that framework for a number of armies in the game right now But it it should be the defining one. I I do like the concept of This mechanic this pleasure pain mechanic think implementation is a little rough But I love that idea. So I'm not sure what that would look like with the better implementation Have you talked about that before do you have a Okay, like a particular implementation idea for for that element, but I mean, yeah, ultimately That's very high level, but that that's often what comes to my mind as a starting point for this army Yeah, I mean loneliness and loneliness and cleanliness and cleanliness is godliness and god is empty just like me. So I mean the the The problem with slanesh is exactly what you said like it it should be a speed kills army It should just be like the fastest on the ground army around like that's what it comes down to And it should really be about Being able to set up multiple things and it should it should have a sort of reverie type vibe to it That the more of this that happens the more violence that's occurring In there the more ecstatic things become So like your units are encouraged to get in and fight and mix it up and like multi-charge Units and things like that and be in combats They should be fairly fragile and when your units get punched down and beat down right like there there there should be It's you don't want like a we tried the what if we did the inverse of bloodtide where you get points for not dying Basically, right like we tried that that doesn't work But it should just be as simple as Like the sort of ecstatic combat As it continues the more of it that's happening and obviously the play against is that you're fairly fragile So the way you set it up is by making our units split up by multi-charging You see what I'm saying? That's like the soft inside. It's not night haunt where like You're doing this it's more like you're trying to keep all your units fighting and in combat and and just getting into as Many combats as you can with things and so like I've never bought this force is like the mixed arms force But I guess that's how it is now Because the shooting and stuff So I think that's stupid I just I completely think that's stupid Because if you make that the problem with any of those armies being mixed arms is then well I guess all the demons are trashed then Because I want to be able to play a demon army And if the default assumption is mixed arms and none of the demons have range then that's not an army anymore That's it Maybe I'm missing you just talking a little bit or you've talked about this in the silencio that you did What about some you say you just meant like this idea of revelry and ecstasy and a flow Have you thought about like some version of the idk? Right what what the the table the you know flood tide high yeah, I guess as a way Yeah, it feels like maybe something along those lines could be part of the design orientation of silenesh But or I don't know maybe that's I really think it's just I I think it's as simple I don't think we need to introduce tracking. I don't think we need a new abacus I don't think we need anything like that. It's I think it's as simple as like At the end of each turn You count up the number of your units That are fighting that are in combat or something like that Okay, or that made a charge or that whatever they pick some mechanic like this So that satisfied one of these two or three criteria And if you hit a certain number you reach a new level of ecstasy Right And then and then that provides you with some buff for the rest of the game as you hit this ecstatic level All right, and and it's not it's not an ever-increasing thing You understand what I'm saying like it's just you're you can you're just Picture it like a sound wave going up and down Right and like if you get higher and if you get a fall lower in turn three nothing goes away It's just that was your you're at your whatever your ecstasy level is you're just trying to constantly push it higher Does that make sense? So yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that yeah I did I definitely resonate with I spend a lot of time in this but I it's a fascinating topic because I do resonate a little bit though with the idea that they are missing a sufficient pattern expression Yep One of the closest people that I have seen try to do this is laran You know my friend along who we out on the show laran just played a list that's past saturday And a similar list went for one at lone star and for example, it had slesk slesky Have you say that models that were school's name, you know where it's got the yeah the the balance You have to try to maintain that balance right of the demons and mortals and it has a huge buff And I think like that's an interesting mechanic. It's some of that stuff It feels like there's the depravity, but it's not Generalized it's like it it amplifies right with a particular unit you go on slick blade seekers They do a bunch of damage it amplifies the depravity significantly But so I think there's some of those elements that are for me. They're not necessarily that far off It just often feels like a lot of the execution isn't as good as it could be Agreed and maybe it hasn't yeah, but some of the pieces are there. Yep Yeah, the speed could just be as easy as like a locus that just gives a bunch of people 3d6 charge or something like that It's it's not complicated stuff, you know, it can be really simple Like it could just be the 3d6 charge army and that's fine. Sure um, okay All right, let's see here, uh, vince how many aos armies have you painted? How many more do you need to paint until it's an lrl army you're painting? I have 20 aos armies I will never paint an lrl army all of them infinity That is not an army that I will ever paint My buddy has an lrl army and they're sitting in the cabinet right here this in this cabinet right here And he he is painted most of them, but Because he keeps the stuff here, but I don't I will never paint them I allow them to stay here without me smashing them with a hammer out of out of generosity only He watches this show off. It's don't worry. Your your figs are safe, man. I'm not gonna smash them. But yes Uh, okay Hey, battle shock war gaming, uh, we we're glad you love war kota. Awesome. Very nice Oh, yeah, yeah, love this guys. They've been doing a series on their on their youtube channel Oh, uh, I don't know which if that's Anyway, I don't know which one that is comedy, but so Two people at the rtt that we had on saturday Committed that they learned about war kota through battle shock war gaming. So that that was amazing Yeah, so yeah, thank you guys. You guys you guys got to play light and shadow total conquest And fluctuations of power. I haven't seen those yet. Actually, I think you did play total conquest Fluctuation power light and shadow. I think you guys will love those. They're a lot of fun. Nice Uh, hey, he says vince is just too afraid to paint them. He can't rise to the challenge. Yeah, you're exactly right Exactly right. I mean, that's yes. I I am very afraid of them. Simple answer I have no problem admitting of it. My, uh My ego is far too secure to be worried about being called a chicken. I am no marty mcfly. I'm good I want nothing to do with those overly detailed nonsense figs. Uh, all right Birdman Collins over on twitter said often when a faction is leading It's only statistically within balance because its other factions are watering down its wind percentage Do you think they should be internally balanced first before nerfing a faction to address a sub faction problem? I thought this was an interesting one because I think what he's basically saying is like the sub factions within there Right, like oftentimes one is we're doing really well and the others aren't I mean serif on sort of the worst expression of this But there have been many right, right And here's what I'll say when they do these balances, they're looking at Detailed information birdman. Yeah, they're looking at this at the sub faction level at the unit level Of like they like they're pulling all the data So I think the the the fixes are generally Attempting to be targeted at The actual problems, right? Yeah, what's getting included too much. What sub factions are pushing this up? What do we not want to hurt? What do we want to help and so on and so forth? I think it is a very thoughtful process that is already based around the sub factions, so One thing that would be useful in my opinion is for the what's it called meta watch to yeah, the Release that they have of the aggregate data, right For them to add A graphic that breaks things down by the sub factions I mean, I think ultimately that is more useful information You know seeing Legion of night as opposed to whatever within sulp light or Yeah, things have so tech as opposed to whatever in serif on I mean, I've tended to find that to be a better Barometer on where we are in the ecosystem at any given time, right? But just as a community we haven't really internalized that as well or oriented around it as much collectively as we need to So I think that would be nice a nice change to add that layer because I know they got the data. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Um, I mean he's mentioned it before in like if you listen to his talk track in the videos, right? He'll talk about sometimes like he'll he'll Matt will talk about the sub factions and like this sub factions doing well And this wasn't like he talked about it a lot with serif on and stuff last time, right? So, yeah Um, brandon, uh, I have heard that gluing two painted parts of miniature together should not be done How do you recommend gluing sub assemblies together after painting? Uh, I have a whole video on it brandon go back and check out gluing sub assemblies Like there's literally a video on that thing. So that is my simple answer to that one I knew we could get that one quick. Uh, and then Emma Uh, yes, no something Says why is relocation orb the greatest battle plane ever created and why should be the only battle plane played at events? I agree five five rounds relocation orb five times in a row Um, because that's it just is and that's why tyler Remade it as light and shadow and really improved upon you. You didn't think perfection could be improved But yet here it was Uh Hades asked a big question here tyler I saw that. Yeah How would we redesign magic? That's a big question. Yeah, didn't you didn't you do a show covering a little bit of this recently? At some point, I know we did. I mean, here's my very simple answer I don't think the old world's magic system is terrible. I think it's actually pretty good Um, it's similar But still pretty good Second joke answer, I guess Maybe a joke answer. Maybe a real answer. Uh, go back to cards Go back to the fun magic card system of like fifth edition warhammer If it's going to be silly, let's just let's just make it silly I don't know That definitely stood out. I haven't listened to all of the your old world review with Chuck and brendon, uh, which that was the right call getting those guys on the show rather than me They the it was an awesome show what I have listened to so far But you guys were talking about the magic system in there A lot of those elements made a lot of sense to me Like they seem like really solid strong simple Elements for the foundation of magic, you know, like if you're a level three wizard you get plot What you roll you got plus three. I think to your cast Correct You add that you add your level to your casts you can you get you get casts equal to you cast all your spells once per round If they're viable Mm-hmm. That's it Yeah, I like the you know the way that the timing can work Seem pretty dynamic but also simple But we definitely have a I mean we've always had a disagreement as far like I love the this primal magic season I I think it's interesting. I know you hate it When we talked our very first conversation on the road about all of this you told me you hated it So it's yeah That's a long topic though But yeah, I I do enjoy a lot of the aspects that we have right now I want to be sad if we if we get some of them transported over like I enjoy the miscasting I enjoy the ultimate force total power whatever it's called technique irresistible force. I think it's technical name But yeah, I know you're not a huge fan of any of this. I don't care. I like that stuff's fine Again, I do really like the old world's magic system. I think it's really well designed It's it's simple. It's effective magic feels like magic. It shows up in lots of phases in the game. It's not sequestered You have a reasonable bonus you tend to get your spells off, but people can also tend to unbind them I like the difference in power levels and stuff like that where people can unbind at different ranges It actually is meaningful like I don't know. I just like the system. I think it's pretty good So fair. Yeah, there you go. Charles any advice for a colorblind painter. Um, Sure, I I'm if you're a red green color blind, you know stick into other colors that you can see better definition of I'll say that Two is most of painting is really about value. It's about light and shadow It's not about like the color is secondary If you understand light and shadow and values you have everything you need to paint so um It may in many ways you may have an advantage because you're not distracted by worrying about color But when it comes to color you can always go to things like um army painters systems or people to have very clear labels on them With saying like this is the six paints in this color plant family and they get Progressively lighter or darker. So, you know, even if you can't sort of see the color, you know, you're operating in the right space Okay Edgar baez Tyler I want you to answer this one. I want to get in a os but three hour 2000 point games aren't realistic for me I also don't want to play a game that isn't balanced for lower points Should I just wait for a combat patrol equivalent? What do you think? What do you think? Honestly, yeah, I mean, that's what I would do at this point. We're not that very far away. Like I that's a simple answer. Yeah, just uh, maybe You could certainly go ahead and start collecting. Well, I guess that's kind of the idea is that if they're going to do the True combat patrol, right? They literally design it around what's in those boxes. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah I mean that would be the easy answer Uh, we've talked a lot about this. It's a structural problem with a was 3.0 It's so hard to teach. I find it's so hard to teach new players this game Without I mean, you really have to strip so much away and he just yeah, it's you kind of have to we've been doing custom You know situations. Basically, we strip most things away. We've talked a lot about it over the last two years, right? With all of this But yeah, that that would be the simplest answer because it feels almost certain that that's what we're going to get Right. Yeah, I have to agree. I mean like I my advice in the meantime would be Pick up a couple small packs of models of the army then just you and work on your paint schemes Stuff like that like that's a good thing to do in the meantime Paint some terrain and get your table ready. Like you're going to need that kind of stuff, you know So there's like there's plenty of things you can be doing proactively And then once combat patrol and that kind of thing comes out or whatever it is the spearhead I guess is what the new boxes are called. Is that right? Is that what they say on them? Sounds right. Yeah, I think their head there is I assume that'll be the new Buy this box and play this box against other people who have their versions of this box Game and then yes, I think that's that's going to be your your good entry point there 100% Okay, Christopher mentioned war cry. I know you played war cry a little bit, you know, I haven't but obviously that's a different system Maybe there's some things that war cry and I will share but yeah, I can't really speak to war cry It's a fun game. It is a very different game. They're really not related, right? Alex said hi, how do you guys track and manage your collection? Well, I have this app on my phone that I scan my magic cards into. Oh wait, you mean war hammer figs? Oh, I don't track or manage any of that. Okay They go in these they go in these these In these shelves here and then they all They sit there. That's until I play them on saturday nights. That's what happens That's it. I have no tracking or managing I reached I reached out to friends and say hey Are you using your stormcast army? Or hey, hey, that's lanish army. That's been sitting on the shelf. You know, it's it's part of the collective Uh, it's part of the commune. Are you are you gonna use it for the night? That's it's easy, man. You just yeah You just have have a community with a bunch of crack addicts who can't help themselves Sure And just yeah, you get you there's a lot of benefits involved. Sure. Absolutely Uh, okay Qualism set up and playing 40k haven't tried a os yet. What do you like most about a os in comparison to 40k po at PS I love space station zero. Hey, awesome. Oh, thank you very much, man Space station zero is for those who don't know is the game that uh, what are the sci-fi game that uncle am and I put out Tyler is working on the editing of our next game right now. So how about that? It's uh, It's we just just wrapped up development on it on so we're moving along Um, I mean, I can say what I like best about it. Honestly is it's a lot more It's a lot more free of a game. It's not focused on fiddly diddly nonsense Um, you know, I don't have to worry about things like wizzy wig for the most part I'm free to be created with my color schemes with my story I'm not locked to the lore or how I model my figs or anything like that I pay points and just like a pretty reasonable estimates much easier simpler faster experience Um, that's why like I just I can't get into the I can't get into caring about this guy has a plasma gun and this guy has a Melt a gun and this guy has a this thing like I just I I don't care. I like just being like no these are my dudes and they all have swords. There you go. That's cool You got any thoughts on that one? Are we moving to the next one? Oh moving on. Okay Uh, all right, let's do a question here off this Uh, Brian this one was interesting to me. I think this is I don't think I agree with this one Brian B said, uh What can be done to increase the value of rend as a stat? It feels extremely devalued compared to mortal wounds, which seem more ubiquitous I highly disagree Brian. I highly disagree. Is this someone playing a three up save army all the time? What does this mean? Like I am thirsty for rend most of the time. I love rend It's the highest value stat in the game. You roll a whore frost and you get that three. You're like, oh, baby Here comes the rend three Like yeah, I mean, I don't I don't think mortal wounds are ubiquitous We are undoubtedly at the lowest number of mortal wounds that have ever existed in a os history right now I Well, uh, maybe I'm trying I'm quickly trying to think of the 26 factions in the ecosystem and where are we right now? Uh, uh I mean most of the time in history. Tyler this game has been dominated by armies that crapped out mortal wounds Okay Uh, let me take you on a brief tour. Here we go ready? Okay bloodletter spam in the early days Here's 60 attacks and every two plus is immortal wounds. How about that? Do you think that would fly nowadays? Okay, cool How about doc every time one of your dumb witches dies in these massive piles? Uh, they do a mortal wound on a five back plus then they also have Uh touch mortal wounds and other mortal wounds. They were also crapping out as well Uh, like we could keep going this gets worse. How about the fec period of the fec slanage dominance when a Terror guys would come screaming into your unit and do 24 mortal wounds and then attack again Yeah, okay, like these just aren't yeah that exist anymore Yeah going actually at least just looking at the the factions I'm not seeing that many examples of A level of mortal wounds that is out of bounds. Let's say we've had the obvious example of things of so-tech Uh, I've thought about running or creating a garbage list award for people who write sorry everybody, but I I think the biggest for me the biggest garbage list in this game is I'm going to piss some people off saying this is six vexel ores And like however many nine line ladders you can fit into a list. Yeah, that's like the dumbest List imaginable. That's obviously mortal wound spam Uh, but anyway with apologies anybody who enjoys that I'm sure there's nuance into playing six vexel ores and And and I letters, but yeah, no, you're probably right There's not a tremendous amount of it a lot of the examples They've they've curtailed the latest being the fuseliers. I mean that didn't even really get off the ground before they curtailed that appropriately Yeah, so I know I think rend is super high value. I don't think mortal wounds I think that the the only sort of outstanding problem is exactly the coalesce thing you're talking about honestly, so yeah Okay, cool This is and then I want to answer this one because a lot of people had this hobby question Hobby experiencing some tearing of layers of airbrushed white ink from a zenithal highlight I've started to matte varnish after zenithal to be safe in the past never experienced any tearing of airbrushed inks Any advice to avoid that? It just is what happens with inks switch to paints or varnish afterward really is the answer Like switch to just a thin down mere white paint. I usually use ivory colored paints instead to do my zenithal ink because of that Very reason inks are just very easy to reactivate. It's just what happens So unless you varnish over Okay Cool. All right. I'm sure we've missed some questions here Uh, flummoxed buffoon which most describes vince's dogs corn flesh hounds soublight direwolves or storm cast grift hounds Oh, good question. Good question Uh Well, it might be a t-shirt that could influence. Yes, there they are direwolves in the t-shirt with my wife Uh, because she requested to be a vampire lord. That was what she thought was most appropriate and and so they're all They're all undead direwolves and I think that's true loyal Dumb excitable. Yeah, that sounds right Yeah I think that's that's that is absolutely correct Uh, okay Um I would be so down for a tiktok account with kathy and the dogs Like oh, I would just eat that up. It blows my mind that my wife still works because she could just do dog content and be so successful on social media Tyler so many golden retrievers like I want to I want to tell you like we're gonna we're gonna pause this whole show Because I want to tell everybody a story. Okay, so I'm obviously shooting from a basement right now, right? My house has an upstairs like I have I have a ground floor and a second floor. Okay And Every night when we go when when my wife goes to bed when we go to bed My middle my middle dog lira my dog as it were She will run up to the top of the stairs and she stands there and waits and stares down at you from the top of the stairs Now tyler what she wants is she wants you to throw her a ball You throw the ball from the bottom of the stairs up to her So you're at the base the stairs you throw it up. She'll jump up and catch the ball She's very good at catching the ball Okay So she catches the ball and then she lays down with her paws over the edge of the stairs With the ball in her mouth and then she spits it out until the edge of the stairs and then nudges it with her nose Until it falls Down the stairs To you then you catch it And then you throw it back to her she gets up she catches it again And then she lays down and then she we never taught her this this is just a thing She figured out okay, and so now she wants to play this game every night How my wife has never recorded this I don't know It's totally okay. Absolutely. Yeah Uh, all right Adam Dickerson real question is what is a good alternative color for suns of forest green other paint brands are also welcome It's a super thin paint. Yeah, buddy Uh, the uh, what are they? What's the actual name of this desaturated? Cool greens the desaturated cool greens from army painters new fanatic line That is the answer to your question evergreen fog medieval forest Paragon pine autumn sage forest fawn and mossy green. There you go. Okay Let's see All right Let's go tyler. Let's jump back over here. Okay. Okay You do I I wonder if maybe you have thoughts on this favorite models to use for aos not made by gw And second question any must buy game aids I know you and I are big both big fans of like cool game aids And then final question. How many dice do you bring with you to a game? Okay, all right on the dice I have two sets of d6 my potentially busted Sylvaneth allerial schedule on the six green dice that I've had since 2016 I'm terrified to do the you know, the the water test with those dice Because I may not want to learn what I find out. Just don't learn the answer They uh, they're not that bad. I do roll terribly at times, but they anyway, so They've got a reputation and then 25 of the vault wars dice So 50 dice there and then yeah d8s Uh d20s, you know, basically wound counters, right? All that stuff. That's basically it. I try to keep it as simple as possible on dice and Let's see. What about you on dice? And we'll go depends on the army So for like my sons I bring a small pack of just like I have sort of big dice that I use and it's like 12 of them Because that's all I'll ever need right because even my cool attack is cap to 10 attacks because why would I be allowed to have any fun? And for scaven, I have like a tiny nuclear green big dice cube that I use It's like 36 dice in the cube So I have I have different dice sets for different armies and so it's generally somewhere between 10 and then a little 36 cube Gotcha, okay, and then game aids. So yes Gotta have a good number of three inch combat gauges I mean, you don't have to do the full shan clark. You don't have to go 20 You don't have to have a necklace of of combat gauges, but so be a lot cooler if you do My I already mentioned my favorite one of my favorite possessions now is this amazing gift My family got me over the holidays, which is on etsy. It's a and there's different versions of this, right? I think front of the show Caleb walters makes a set of yeah these measuring sticks of different sizes So that's amazing, right? Like, okay, I need to move six inches. You just yeah get the six inch out So highly recommend that that can dorkdom gaming there you go on gaming on it is dorkdom gaming dot etsy.com I use them all the time now. They are awesome Love those measuring sticks a plus stuff from Caleb. Yes dorkdom gaming dot etsy.com. Check them out Yep Really helps with playing clean more hammer, right with with precise measurements So you just lay that stick down and then you put your index finger thumb whatever to where your model is going to go Move the stick move the model very easy Tokens we talk a lot about I'm obviously goes without saying tokens. So personally I Will have so like legion of night, right? I've got I don't know 14 different spells. I have each spell names Blizzard, etc. I lay all those out In front of me and then I'll try to advance, you know, specify our light man for it I'll put waste away and Mystic shield next to man for it, right because that's my game plan is to cast those Just to try to speed up and and reduce the time that I'm taking in trying to select my spells in the order of those spells But yeah, uh pre-written tokens. You like the erasable tokens Yep, little dry erase magnets one and a half inch by two inch fantastic A plus you carry these with you. You just write little or I don't think they're that big I think it's some of the smaller ones like one inch by an inch and a half I think sorry one inch by inch and a half You can just write on there with a little bonus or buffer penalty and slide it next to the unit and then Wipe it away when it's done So I've got to mention this the first person in the community that I've seen do this Obviously, you go on amazon and do that, but who wants to do that go if you want to get some of these go to battle works W-e-r-k-s as in sam.com. That's jeff with austin weird knobs. He's got a new website Yeah, with some of this he's got a raceful tokens, dude, and it's a great pack. It's a very cheap price And a bunch of other cool things that he's got going on over there But yeah, any any others things come to mind as far as tokens game is no, I think that's you pretty much covered everything Yeah, that's that's exactly right and then favorite made models to use for aos not made by gw I mean probably creature caster stuff for the big demons. That's that's pretty easy. I like a lot of those guys Okay hypothermic ice Here's a hobby question How do you force yourself to power through building models, especially when they're poorly engineered? It's tough. It's tough like let's say the building phase is not a thing I enjoy one option find a friend who loves building have them build it for you That's always fun. If somebody some people really like building if you don't have such a friend Just remember that like you got to do the building to get to the good stuff Which is the painting and then the playing right? So it's it's kind of just sit down You take a day you get into the zen of it like and and and just start assembling I think is really what it is. There is sort of a zen and Zen in the art of motorcycle maintenance quality to it. I think that you can get into Okay Tyler apparently you're borg Donnie rongo says do you use moxfield? Yes, I do How dumb is shielded with the apocalypse? I mean she's pretty dumb, but it's fine. She's just a creature. Yeah, she dies for removal uh Okay, so let's see Uh, but bump bump bump bump Do you think that aos should get upgrade sprues like 40k? Maybe thunders get a separate box for their weapon options No, I just don't think there's enough of a market there to actually support that I don't want that level of granularity Like I just make a new kid or don't make it is my answer Yeah Would worry about that making its way into rules and just adding more rules complexity. Yeah Yep um Oh, by the way gareth says building is better than painting. That's absolutely That's uh, that's that's there you go Uh talon zon says lucent from game. Venby a game envy to replace my dying nefati. Yes or no vince um I'm gonna blind everybody here for a second Yes There will be a video on that coming sometime in the future. I love the lucent light from game envy I think it's just like the best light. They've just just ever it's Wonderful and fantastic, and I love it. I just think it's amazing Um, I like we need to have gareth gareth on again at some point so that he can tell us all the different like the current state of Competitive aos and like how we're behind And what we need to update in our priors on like our anchoring is off, right? Maybe we need we need to make that an annual thing where he comes on and tells us how stupid we are And uh, we need to get updated. Yep Uh, all right, uh, let's see Um Edgar says will I will we ever see a game from snarling badger that plays more like a miniature board game? For example, like kingdom death. I love how the ai system works in kdm And we'd love to see something similar. I i'm not gonna say no. It's certainly I uh Like we don't constrain ourselves to anything other than we're not going to make army games Probably That's that's as much as we do like whatever the game demands is what we will Do so I wouldn't write anything off. There you go Um, have we made a video on the new triumph and treachery yet? If not win We talked about it as part of the actual review Um of the mad king rise's book four and I love it. I think it's great And in fact, I played a game of it last weekend and had a fantastic time. So there you go Nice, uh, that's what I'll say. It was the I we played one of the four new battle plans and man Was it really fun? No battle tactics cool different things to gain objectives like different things It was really legitimately a great time. So there you go Awesome. I still gotta read that stuff and watch watch that. Yep Uh pat noon. Here's a question for you, Tyler Will there be tts that use the war coda rules specifically? Well, I mean, I've not blackmailed anybody or yeah, I come up with a scheme to make that happen I did see jeff again. I just mentioned jeff He's actually doing smash and bash gt with war coda this year. I just saw he announced his event Yesterday evening and sold out and I don't know like 15 minutes. He's only got space for 50 people It was a whole thing. He had to do a small event this year They're gonna have a bigger venue next year. I think one of the other events in the texas scene Plops dates with him. So enable him to write get a better date better better potential for venues So yes, uh smash and bash gt is going to be doing that. I think he's in april I believe his event sometime around there. Nice april may yeah So he chose some good ones Okay, very nice j-wraps I want to get away from being a base coat wash dry brush painter It feels formulaic a new model isn't already solved from where should I start? I've got many videos on like painting in alternate ways But probably with wet blending and actually trying to like paint the light Again painting is really all about actually like it's just capturing the light. All of this is just about the light Once you understand the light everything else falls into place color doesn't actually matter paint doesn't actually matter, you know only thing that matters really is the light and so You know just put yourself in that mindset trying to do like do something with a slightly more unusual lighting scheme And try to capture that in some way through value changes on the figure And and paint just all through layers or something like that as opposed to through those steps Uh Bronu said I'd like to see a few of the mortal wounds in the game be auto wounds instead instead of the save Yeah, I agree Like I think we could move a lot of mortal wounds to auto wounds like if if like the old poison attacks in What what is now the old world or What you see wearing more fantasy battles like roll a 60 hit it's an auto wound you still get your saves and everything But it just skips the loop roll. Yeah, great. Yeah, that feels good. It does. I really like that as a rule Yeah So ready for a hammer haul What one thing actually had a question earlier. Let me let me ask you this this Uh, he basically Paul asked What was our our favorite guests from the past form of weekly? The first one that just at least popped in my head was Oh crap. I'm forgetting the guy's name. It was a Very stats heavy show Uh talking about why some of the assumptions JP JP Gannis. That's what it was. Yep. Yeah, I can't you could probably do a better job of summarizing that show But I love the hell out of that show. It was amazing. That was that was a great show. Absolutely. I I agree Um, that one was quite a lot of fun Um, I don't know. I mean, honestly, we've had such a great time with with so many guests We've been sort of remiss on guests this year because I've been super duper busy with like work and everything else But we've got some plans for for for some really fun and interesting guests. I think this year and um You know all in all I just I love when people bring their own unique voice to the show. That's what it comes down to so and and that's It's it's we've had many that that do that in a great way and then I want to have back this year Uh, I got one here Jcfry if snarling badger were to write a historical or para historical wargame, what time period old history would you prefer? Simple it would be said in 1500 and rome never falls and so it's a sci-fi space game Easy easy money. No dark ages. No technological regression. Rome is in space and bringing the centurions to to civilize the galaxy All right, we're caught up mostly another twitter one. Uh, yeah, let's do a twitter one. Here you go Okay Uh Carter babs which paint brand is the overall winner best product? I mean I'll answer this one quickly My top three paint brands are army painter fanatic ak third gen and monument pro acryl in no particular order All three of those you you can buy into any of those ranges you want. They're all excellent I use all three of them interchangeably. I love all three of them. They are all fantastic paints period Get whatever one you like that is near you that is available that you like the company the best Um, so there you go Uh amber pond how did vince do the faux grecian temple bases for daughters of kane amber? I have a video on it in the hobby cheating playlist So you can go back and actually check that out But it was with green stuff and roller and just some like wedding cake columns and stuff like that like it's simple stuff Um, you can get those little or like fishbowl Decorations like all those kinds of things Uh, okay All right. I'm scrolling back to the end here Uh, okay, sicknesses vince obviously thinks about the roman empire frequently. I most certainly do I absolutely do And I always have and y'all the all people who are coming late to this party I've been talking about the roman empire since I was very young Okay, uh Tyler I wonder if you have an answer for this one. I thought about this and I don't know that I have a good answer to it Short king said what is the wildest or most improbable aos game moment you've witnessed or experienced? Oh god Oh Okay, well It's I mean, it's gonna be impossible to come up with the most I could Let me I could say the most recent So the most recent was Watching lauka by Whom is still disrespected by the soul blood community because I don't see her in enough list. Sure. She is an absolute rock star Almost tanking Both activations from six baron guard and both activations from ten chosen In a single combat phase. It's pretty impressive. She died She died basically to the wounds now. He was rolling below average on the mortals, right from the chosen The six is to hit. Uh, she's only got 11 wounds and a six up ward But Yeah, she she is Phenomenal more people need to run her She's an amazing pin piece. Uh the rim reduction, right? You can save stack with her. Put mystic shield on her You go out have save stack her. She's a pin piece She's a meaningful hammer within sub light That's generally struggling for hammers because they need to be because that you don't want that army to be an insane dps army On top of everything else that it's doing and how well it scores So but yeah, she's outstanding dude. I love her. Nice. Nice Uh Yeah, I mean I remember I had a cat action silly like soldier back playing 40k that like Brought down the avatar of kane with a shovel I thought that was pretty fun after throwing like a demo satchel charge at it And then I just rolled perfectly and he failed all his saves You know, it's always those unusual dice moments, right that that stick out um I mean, I remember my bad luck. Like I finally got the that giant mortal wound Uh slam off from My son's guy that's like 5d6 damage or whatever the the big head that's like 5d6 damage and I rolled 11111 Uh three So I was like, no, okay, and then that's a three down there. Yeah, this is like, you know, I Really spoiling it so it wasn't just the perfect five damage, right? I mean, I remember things like that Um But it's hard to say like that. I I mean I you play aos for the the those improbable moments You know, you hope for them all the time and you hope your opponent never gets them, right? For the the the single clan rat living and holding up the the entire enemy force or or whatever, right? Right that kind of thing Um, yeah, the the griffon that kills arcane. Exactly. Exactly Uh, okay, uh Nicholas wilson after wins What should be the two tie breakers for gts? Tyler, you got a thought on this one. Yeah, I know gareth's in here. I know I bet he's got thoughts, but I've got this sounds like a Sounds like a hay-well plant preaching the The good gospel from the one and only hay-well, which is none. None is the correct answer. There are no tie breakers It's just the people who get 5-0 or play more games. That's it at big tournaments You just play more games until you get to a winner at uh at other tournaments that happen to you in the middle You just win if you're 5-0 you win. Congratulations so again A lot of shout outs for jeff tonight with austin weird knobs being a being a pioneer on multiple fronts Dude jeff is the first gt that I have seen implement the hay-well approach. Yeah Yeah, he's god. It's like I can remember what what his names were but You know tournament champions Multiple champions who there's gonna be multiple 5-0s like 50 players probably gonna be two 5-0s, right? All a sequel So you got two tournament champions in the 5-0 bracket and then yeah, you have the bracket for four ones It's very complicated there. I don't know. I don't know if we can we can run with this It's just a little too complicated events. Yeah, it's it's real hard. It's real tough. Yeah, it's hard But yes, that's like that's it obviously It's something huge like you know at at adepticon or at lvo and all these kinds of things you you run the normal eight nine You know Sure Eight rounds with a breaker round as well for the the potential ninth round for somebody you get to the real winner Like that's the answer. That's how it should be done, right? That's playing the correct number of rounds When when that's not possible when you have two day weekend gts with like, you know 60 people Um, you just if you happen to have two 5-0s congratulations. You're both winners. Well done like Okay, you both win Because that's it unless you unless you both want to play another game against each other You both win That's it Tournament over go home Yeah, the battle wards mega boss 5-0 if there are two 5-0 players They will both receive this award big boss 404 0 1 that is for for wins No loss one draw or 4 1 all players win four games will receive this award Yeah, and then it's got a bunch of others, you know appearance etiquette with an etiquette He had the sort of what often is called best overall. He calls it the renaissance award. Yeah, I Awesome pack. Hey guys. Hey guys, great. Yeah How should national rankings work both players get points your second place? Question mark works during jury says number one national rankings. Who cares? Uh, that's not a thing. This is not we're not playing chess here. Okay I don't care what your score is. Uh That's like some that's some stuff for people who are not me Um, but whatever you want. I mean, I don't know people who do national rankings will figure out an answer is my answer Um, probably like I I think such things are like that's Yeah, I'm not gonna get in my feelings on national rankings and why I feel they're they're like, okay. Okay, cool, man It's just not your bag. That's fine. Yeah, we'll leave it at that All right, here's a good one. I'm excited for this one. I want to know your thoughts on this Yeah, Sam on twitter asked do you think we'll have indices released for fourth edition or current battle tomes for to will roll over? Oh So nothing is 100 i'll say 80 likely which to me is very high confidence interval getting very nerdy tonight. Uh, yes all is equal I think we are definitely going to have indexes for better worse. Yeah, uh current battle tomes will not be rolling over They're just going to reset the cycle This is going to be the first time that matt rose Will have really gotten his hands matt rose and company really gotten his hands into the The guts of aos. I think there's going to be A sizable amount of structural Updating to this game, which will include updating all of the war scrolls So, yeah, absolutely Absolutely. Yeah, I I agree. I think we're definitely getting indices Like 100 in my mind. I just I don't see any of the current battle tomes rolling over And I think it's for the better like let's let's see what the new design team can do We've we've gone three additions in it's time to it's time to It's time to to to to reinvent like i'm here for it We've sharpened the knife. We've sharpened the knife restarted. That's what happens. So yep Um, what do I think the most likely change would be that would necessitate switching into indices? Just just core changes of significant types I don't know what it'd be could be like weapon ranges or could be anything right major changes I'll answer two quick questions here for jcf re on 1500 on 1500s Rome What prevented the fall the brothers gracie succeeding in their reforms? No earlier reforms than that Probably like fourth century. There's a couple different reformers whose We're sought to reverse the currency devaluation the movements into Sort of more foreign outsourced sources for armies and things like that some of the general ship changes and how That worked as well as taxation policies Like i'm assuming basically those different reform policies go into effect and around sometime around the fourth century And so then you instead of having a sort of more slow constant decline You have a higher build Uh, like you're able to bottom out and then continue back up from that point It's just seen like as a low point as other nations have had There you go. So we're talking sort of a unified roman empire here. Okay. There you go. That was just like a super nerdy point There's this particular emperor who's specifically tried to reform and and before that I can't remember exactly what his name was right now, but Him I need to go back and look at my notes um, okay Uh, all right Uh Boop boop boop boop boop Uh Let's go to the next page Uh nap god, uh, do you have any recommendation for pro acryl transparent paints for uses for them? Yeah, use it whenever you'd use an ink. They're they're basically just highly saturated transparent paints. They're like inks So if you're going to use an ink you can just use them instead It's really that easy. So like thin color shifts that you put through your airbrush and stuff like that They're very good or or doing filters over colors those kinds of things Okay, uh, by the way hit like Uh, do those kinds of things Do things that make you that's uh cw primer said instead of universal special rules internal only document of us rs I mean, I think that's just that is going to be part of four before that before point out I think they'll absolutely move to a unified like database of Terminology like we won't have universal special rules, but the rules will move too often just using the exact same Terminology where as opposed to being the slap-dash thing now That could be one of the things that I think needs to happen. You know what I mean, tyler you with this one Yeah, I so you probably got it. This is did you get into your rationale for why you Do not want to see a lot of us rs in a os I've talked about it on previous shows. Yeah, but but okay So I've never I don't I don't want to get a sidetrack that it's a longer conversation itself What it's worth, dude. I don't really track that like I don't see the gap that you're that you seem to see With universal special rules as being a lot more complicated even meaningfully more complicated relative to the state of a os and I think about the state of a os and if I'm trying to Get into this game much less do well at tournaments How many worse goals different factions sub faction rules like the amount of crap If if now part of this is my bias right as a player I'm always trying to minimize surprises minimize not gotchas, but just minimize me losing a game due to a lack of information and the state of a os right now makes that I think for a lot of people quite a tall hurdle To overcome the amount of information that you need to be tracking So I just I don't quite understand how usrs would hurt that as opposed to make it better I mean my general argument is when you have 90 usrs They're not usrs anymore, especially when they're nested in things The other problem is they tend to often limit creativity because it's just like instead of being able to write a bespoke rule You just end up using the usr over and over and over and over again Okay, whereas you could just use the text but then write a modifier rule to it or something like that But it's all on the page The other thing is as I've always said hiding information off of the war scroll is problematic to me I want all the text on there. So I don't even care if we just have the repeated text And they're like quasi effectively usrs, but I want the text on there Right when I when I'm looking one of the things that does drive me crazy about the old world is my Tomb guard have 14 universal special rules 14 tyler. Yeah 14. It's a lot. Sure. Okay and If there was a war scroll with 14 special rules on it and it was just like one of your mainline troops Right, you'd be like this is insane Yeah, okay, but you get to hide that stuff and that's my problem with it Okay, so I mean it seems potentially sensible that they have too many Yeah, Sean just know that world was too many usrs. Okay, so I could buy that But I could also buy that like when I think about the state of Sylvaneth right now I was I was thinking about this. So we have like freaking four Sylvaneth players that showed up on Saturday It's like, oh crap. I'm gonna need to refresh my memory on the state of Sylvaneth And I was talking with David side bottom has been on the show and David was like pointing out all of these different unique set of Rules as opposed to standardized rules for who gets to teleport and under what conditions and like what conditions you can turn off terrain and what Wildwoods and what conditions you can't turn off terrain and it's crazy. I mean there was like five or six different Exactly that that kind of stuff's gotta go. That's gotta go. So standardizing the language good Reminder text that's well explained on the game piece. You're using at that moment, which is i.e. the worst girl, right? Is good Okay Hiding information and then stacking a hundred of these things that then get nested in each other because that's the other trick That often happens with usrs. They become matroshka All right, where it's like it's not just one rule It's this rule means these four other rules and one of them is also two rules and it's like nope Nope These are not like now. We're getting stupid. Okay. So there you go Yeah Um, so yes, like that that is all where I think okay I thought this was a really good question from john thick on twitter. You ready for this one tyler? Which army has the biggest disparity between their play style and their lore? I like this one a lot I want to know what the audience thinks on this one too if you're watching right now What's your vote for the biggest disparity between like the way the army's described its story How it allegedly plays in the narrative or acts in the narrative and how it actually plays on the table I have an answer to this. I thought I've been this one bounced around in my head from the time he asked it Okay. Yeah, why don't you start and I'll think about it slaves to darkness Okay, interesting. Let me tell you on why okay Mm-hmm In the lore they are sort of this unstoppable Chaos force of that they relies on like this sort of iron wall the wall of steel like warriors are unbreakable You know the verringard are like literally one in 10 million Okay Warriors rise to the level of a verringard. That's that's the ratio we're talking about Archeon is the grand marshal of the apocalypse who only shows up at the most critical of times But at like throughout s2d's history it is consistently never played like this Chaos warriors are always trash knights are mostly trash like they have occasionally been okay at best um Like chosen who are rarefied are often the go-to unit now, but they were basically garbage for a long time verringard often have shown up in numbers that are just completely insanity Right where there's like the entire army is basically verringard running around like what is this Archeon for some amount of time was just in every army He was just in like at like 80 percent of s2d lists It's like in this isn't current at some point time had archeon shown up He was leading every skirmish force left right in center. Okay. Mm-hmm It's it just does not it is never played Or or it was just all marauders all the time when marauder spam was like a dumb thing you could do Right forget about that. Yeah. Yeah, don't forget and so like it's just you know It's almost never played like it acts in the story at all right Pat noon says so there would be 33 verringard in the usa at that ratio Well, you're assuming that all that's one in a million. No, no It's one in 10 million of the chaos warriors become verringard So like I don't know how many chaos warriors there are in the us But I'm assuming that means at least some kind of soldier or warrior or something So it's even lower than you think Yeah, what's your what's your vote here? so That resonates a lot and it's kind of maybe feel like a cop out, but I think the flip side of that coin Is storm cast and storm cast is the the best one that I can think of as having a disconnect We've we have also talked a lot about that right where just the bait the baseline of Storm cast just had an incredible weekend multiple five o's multiple four ones You can fit so much crap in a storm cast list right now Sure, and they you can readily get to your five out of five and your grand strat They're very competitive at the moment and they're right there that way because they've had multiple rounds of point drops Yep, they're so so many things are too cheap So yeah, I think there's a sizable disconnect similarly on the on the order side of storm cast kind of similar to your Your slaves of darkness on chaos Yeah, those are actually the really the the is anything else stand out It's the space marine problem. I agree like somebody william hattons that is one of you was that I do agree It's a space marine problem There were multiple votes for corn because corn plays like such a More thinking man battle, right? It is a very carefully orchestrated force as opposed to like a Ah, you know I don't know how else to say it That's kind of what it feels like it should be but I don't know um, yeah Uh, yeah, I mean, you know, it's like I think those are the big two. I think those are really the two offenders. Um, okay forge of wonders said Hey, vince. Hey, what's up by the way? How you doing there forge? Uh, it's good to see you buddy. Um, have you played a handful of old world games already? Yes, I've played played multiple actually now where I'm gonna play another game This weekend actually this is my this is my old world weekend last weekend was a os I'm just kind of alternating is what's happening. It's kind of incidentally and it's not not playing just what what happens Uh, if so, what aspect have you of it has you most intrigued? I really like the whole game I love playing my tomb kings again. I think it's a very fun game We had a truly wild game where the battle plan was so impactful Because the game we played tyler like imagine my square is a battlefield, right my my picture This and this were solid rock. So you couldn't you can't move off of them Okay, okay, I mean you couldn't flee off of them unless you could fly Okay, and we read that at the beginning and we were like that didn't matter Okay, whatever cool and then like partway through the game just this most insane series of Panic tests and fleas happened and like My plutonium knights like fled and then bounced off the wall and had to reform and then turned around and managed to get back In the fight and like his unit got stranded and it was just like it was crazy I do I I really have come to love the psychology aspect of it Like it's that the way that they built the psychology system is complicated to explain But it is very very very fun Like the giving ground versus the being broken versus the flea and and Turn around whatever I don't remember to say that it's it has a sizable impact on the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely so I've tried to watch quite a few battle reports with the old world and I mean as you know I had a 20 the traditional 20 year gap, but I do have fond memories of playing warm of fantasy back in the day But just relative to my eight years of sensibilities with the dynamism of aos aos has its problems But I do think generally aos is pretty dude. I've just find those videos so boring I get it. I get boring Watching the old world it feels like nothing's going on a unit gets into combat it rolls a few dies It's kind of cool to see that we're not checking 200 dies But oh, yeah, I've never used more than 10 dies for game old world. It's not necessary Yeah, but it's like, okay So this unit just got ran down and got destroyed like that's where things have been happening It's growing like psychology or fling and that is because Tyler the appropriate way to do a battle report for the old world is like Once bit in 360 used to do it like ob used to do it, which is just a slide joke Right of then my you moved here this happened then my unit moved here 20 minutes you were counting the major beats of the game where you just take a picture every Every x amount of time of the game and you just slide show through it like you're like you're you're at your Grand mom grandpa's house watching their trip to the grand canyon like that's That's the appropriate way to do a battle report for that in real time. It is painfully boring to watch I'm really engaging to play but painfully boring to watch because it doesn't have to swingy careful You like yeah finesse moves that aos has Right, right. Okay. Yeah. Well, I know melnick and you are having a blast with it now the french chuck Other friends are so I want to try it sometime I mean clearly you guys have similar sensibilities usually to me as well So I'm sure it would enjoy but yeah, I just I just terrible to watch I again understandable Understandable We need we need ob back making them slide show battle reports. All right. Um, okay uh, let's see Uh, badoop badoop badoop. Hades had said corn has never been and never will be a berserker He's the god of war in all facets and I will die on this hill. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That's fine I mean like that's that's why I don't think corn is up there. I do think though that like He's a little bit of a berserker god He has blood for the blood god and skulls for the throne of corn and he cares not from whence the blood flows That's not the red knight from forgotten realms. Who's like the master of tactical warfare? Like I agree They don't have to be bloodthirsty lunatics at every moment in time But like they are somewhat bloodthirsty lunatics, man It's an army of vikings and marauders And stuff like that and like people who worship blood and skulls and a god that revels in even its own people being killed So let's not this isn't napoleon. Okay. He's it's not like This isn't julia caesar the engineer general who's gonna win the double encirclement Okay, let's just keep the roam thing alive. Like that's not if corn gets double encircled. He dies He loses that's it. Yeah Okay So let's not overplay our hand here a little bit. Hey, he's like I agree Intelligent warfare is some part of his aspect. They don't oh, they're not all like ravenous mindless lunatics But that is an that is a pretty big part of what's going on here at the same time It's not only that but it's part of it Yeah, Sean watching old world is like watching golf not bad if you're really into it. Otherwise very boring. Yeah Yeah, check checks out. Oh, yeah, run. I'll give tabletop tactics. That's right Yeah, I have generally loved their stuff over the over the years. It's more casual But yeah, they do a great job with it keeping it fun and light Cool, can we are we ever gonna we ever gonna get to any mine? I just gonna ask Getting there. We're only like two hours into this. We're good. Okay time. All right I gotta know you every once in a while. I gotta get to the point You're we're good. That's the point where I ignore you like 10% of the amount that tomic We're gonna be in a great place. Absolutely Dance has said non-hobby related. But did you see dune too? Yeah? Yeah, I saw it. It was it was really good I like dune. I love I love the novel Um, wasn't I didn't like it as much as the first one Uh, and yeah, yeah, yeah Visually one of the most incredible movies ever created Story-wise there were changes made there that I I think actually Are I don't love as much but that's for a different show. There you go. Uh, Russell Crowe. Hey, thanks for watching. Love you and the mummy Uh, why don't man-eaters have the gut buster keyword and when do we write? Uh, they should simple story Uh, Brent our good buddy Brent. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You just had a reference that made no sense Wait, oh, you're talking about the tom tom cruise mummy. He was in tom cruise mummy. Correct. He was He was oh my god, okay, that that mummy doesn't exist. Is that actually worth watching? I haven't watched it. No, it's an absolutely terrible movie That's why that's why the joke is funny. Tyler If I had reference if I said I loved you in gladiator everybody loved him in gladiator. Tyler. That's not funny You see by saying I loved you in the mummy. That's what's funny I'm a little slow. Okay. I got you now. All right stick with me Okay Brent for re-rolling ones. What is the best war scroll? What is the worst war scroll? I love this question and because he's like somebody asked him Somebody asked him like in what way do you mean and he's like, I don't know. Whatever you want, man Like yes, this is the way to ask a question okay What is the best war scroll? Tyler? What's the best war scroll? The worst work. Well, yeah, or worse. I can you can do what you already want first War scroll that popped in my head is the krip gas courtier, but I did see kill. I think it was kill He actually had it in his list. I don't know what it was doing. It was doing something I guess I'm helping the ghouls out, but yeah, that that war scroll felt like it should not exist And an otherwise beautiful battle to him and flesh your courts So that popped in there. You got one that pops in I'll have to think about that worst war scroll The night relic door. How about that guy that guy gonna Get in there or what's that? What's the other one the night? Oh, it's the night arcanum. That's the more appropriate one No, no, not the night arcanum. No the one that's just like oh he has a stick that literally does nothing I don't I don't know like there's a couple of storm cast heroes easily the worst war scrolls because they do almost literally nothing Yeah That's a great question though. Let's see. What else? Yeah storm cast against shout outs. I have to look back here stalling for time Hold for time, please Yes, yes, uh, yes sickness jokes are way better when they're explained in depth. I agree. Um What's the best war scroll? Okay, so let me say for me, right? What I look for in the best war scroll is what wars, uh, what war scroll am I looking at? Yeah, it might be lord exorcist sickness. I think that's what I'm thinking of. Thank you. Thank you Oh, probably that's absolutely right. Okay At any rate the best war scroll to me is the war scroll that I look at and I read it and I'm like, yes This is that thing so perfectly and I am so excited to play with that thing Right. Yeah, it's the combination of like exciting mechanics. That's the perfect like the perfect Sort of melvin everything is working and humming together Uh of what's going on where it just all feels like yes. This is Exactly that thing Right. I think that that to me is is the war scrolls that I I really love So I don't know. Um, and you know to that end go ahead. Go ahead Well, I was going to say so a recent one Is belfanos to me. I thought like on many levels That war scroll showed almost a new level of quality of capability, right and It hit on the most critical level of opening up a new play space with the army It Is not an insane hammer. It's a moderate hammer like he can pop off. He can do some work But he's not Right, his his spike is is not like spirit of derby spike potentially So yeah, just on many levels man. That war scroll was phenomenal and I own this is similar Yep, absolutely. No, I agree. Especially on belfanos. I think he's just such a beautifully designed scroll I really do I agree Like because he feels cool. He feels funny opens up avenues of play for the army It feels like it's you're playing that thing. He's he's just it's really good. I think scar brand would be in the discussion I just think scar brand is almost perfectly designed war scroll You know carnage and just like the names of his axes and and all of this stuff in the way he just Levels anything he hits like as he gets more and more angry and the only the only thing that robs him from being Number one is they removed the the names For his levels, you know, he used to be like Angry and then furious and then he'd get to incandescent, which I just thought was like the funniest thing To be he's incandescent um Celesk you mentioned it earlier I really do love celesk and like the nature of the balance between the two of them And that's the rules that flow out from them And it's just a cool war scroll in the way it works and the way it attacks and stuff like that um Well on slanash, I was trying to another one may be worse. I mean shellaxi like she's she's completely worse. Yeah I mean, she's absolutely just terrible the worst alignment of what I'm describing a thousand percent um But to flip side to stay on slanash, I mean, obviously I do love slanash But um the my other my other two quick mentions here would be the arch warlock because I just think he's a really cool Guy and does really cool things with almost overcharge for like his halberd and uh and like the kind of things he does um But also the mask Like I just think the mask for being a simple war scroll for like a hundred point hero is incredibly impactful She's cool. She goes happy and sad based on her little mask that she flips around at which face she's using You know, she's got the word save from her dance and all of that stuff. Um, I just think she's really cool. So Okay, I've played so many games with I always hated manfred, uh, Always hated manfred. I played against manfred so much over the years I have now playing him. I mean, I've gotten probably 60 games in with this sob I mean, I I'd be hard pressed to find a war scroll that better encapsulates What just a complete? You know sob that he truly is like a jerk. Yeah absolute asshole He is how he plays on the table. How annoying he is He's the worst. Yeah, and it's amazing He's so fun. You're the worst So fun to play Uh, yeah, like he's he's gotta be up there for me. Yeah, okay. Nice. Uh, all right Um, let's see here old town throwdown. There we go. Gareth. What's up, buddy? It's probably still in the chat Uh, should events do more to ban the whack painting brigade from ruining the enjoyment of casual hobbyists? Now I think I'm not sure gareth if you meant this as a joke or not But I kept this in here because I actually think you have you're you're on to a relative point that I actually do Think is worth discussing here. Um, I I don't get and if you're if I'm if I'm hitting the serious point You're making then then we're in alignment So I think maybe what he's talking about is people who have like one really really really nicely painted army And they tend to use it for like a really long time taking it to sort of tournament after tournament after tournament after tournament And sort of dominating the hobby meta Right at that tournament and making it so no one else can kind of move up and challenge them on that space Now on one end you could say well if that's happening You know what the army is and usually you know what you have to paint to beat it But I do think it's legitimate to like Limit in the same way at a painting competition You can't enter the same fig multiple times if you won Okay, like no painting competition allows you to re-enter a winning fig the next year it doesn't happen And so I would be perfectly fine With like tournaments saying you can't ever win more than once with a particular army in a hobby award I and like as I very much bring one new army A year like I that's how I challenge myself to paint a new army in a year And like I I cycle it through the tournaments for that year Right, I start at one event and then by the time they come back to that first event the next year I have a new army, right? And I do think that that's a problem if somebody's just like taking the same army over and over again and like I don't have a problem with be saying like, you know, if you have this great army and it's beautiful And it wins something you can't win at this at this same tournament again If you go to a different tournament you can go win there, right? Like that's fine You can take your army around and do the circuit just like I can take my things that won golden demon and go take them to You know the capital palace or something, right? I mean, yeah, that's fine You're gonna have different competition at different tournaments and in the same way you're gonna have In the same way you're you're 5-0 list at one tournament You might take it to another tournament the next weekend and not go 5-0 because you Face different matches and different events and different people, right? So that's fine, right? um and so like I I do think it's absolutely relevant to to Say this army can't win more than once this award in this tournament ever. I think that's fine I would be completely supportive of that Yeah, yeah, that's that's my answer. Yeah Yeah, like exactly brahna said, yeah, you can win for a year and then you go paint a new thing Yeah, exactly like if you don't want to paint a new thing. That's fine. Don't paint a new thing It just means you can't win the hobby awards. You can still Win other things like you can win best general or whatever, right? Like go nuts Yeah, I don't know about the whole like one-year thing But the idea if you can't win the award again at the same tournament that resonates a lot. Yeah That's all I think I think that's simple Yeah Yeah reasonable Okay, ready to roll what change would you make want to see in fourth that would make aos more fun? Not necessarily more balanced or a better game though. Ideally that should also come a better magic system easy answer That's it Like if they just literally somehow lift and shifted the old world's magic system, not that they should I would be like Well, that's a marked improvement. It doesn't have to be that but we could do different things Yeah, yeah That's uh Man, the guns mine is usual like make the game function Uh within Two and a half hours. Sure make it faster at a tournament make it faster like that. That's at a very high level But this we should be able to play competitive tournament games Two and a half hours most players should be able to do that It's gonna be tough one of the main ways we'd have to do that is like vastly reduce the size of the armies In some degree like points would have to go way up Or or dice rolling has to go way down dice rolling is the major time suck Like if you actually the interesting thing to me about chess clocks has nothing to do with monitoring your turn I would love to what I actually want to do what I'd love to do Is have a time in motion study of where are people spending their time in their turns? That would be very useful. Yeah. Yeah, is it battle tactics? Is it deployment? Yeah, my suspicion is it's happening completely in the dice rolling We roll so many dice and then we reroll them and then we roll them again And we remove these things and we pick like when you're rolling 40 dice and you have to hit and you're pulling out The three ups that takes a long time right Yeah Yeah Like this is I noticed this Tyler because of the old world because I never basically roll more than 10 dice in the old world combat is so fast It's like blop blop Your turn blop go right right because yeah when the number of dice you're rolling is five It's just really easy to figure out what your hits and what your misses Right three hits. There's been some games with yeah, I was so blight where I Decide just to save time. All right. I'm not gonna roll for these skeletons I'm not even gonna roll for these zombies because right they're gonna do maybe like I'm not gonna roll 40 dice to get to damage through all this. Yeah, like just just move on but yeah All right, that would also be an interesting. Yeah, go. No, no, that's fine twitter questions done boom This is Tyler's first page of his wall of questions Go. Thank you everybody Uh, Alex B has a question for me. How did you get started with publishing games and starling badger? Adam came to me with a game idea. I said, yeah during during covid I said, yeah, sounds like a cool idea. I think we can do something there And then we decided to make a company and and do a full time and after we made the first one We were like, do you want to keep doing this? And I was like, yes, there's a lot of fun. Let's keep doing it That's it Um, I don't know where to start for publishing and bringing my mid fidelity assets to high fidelity It's tough now actual game design Like there's probably a whole show on that and like the lessons of game design and how to actually design your game But my short answer is just write the game and then get feedback and test it and go through all the normal You know sort of Elements of it and your first games will be terrible. Just terrible That's that's what I would say like they will be really bad unless you're some kind of Mozart sort of, you know sort of Genius, right for lack of them. I can't find the word impresario. There we go. That's the word I was looking for So, yeah Okay, here we go. Tyler next question from alex. What brought you guys to aox aos initially And why did you stay? So I Most of my professional life. I just worked worked worked worked I wanted to actually do something purely for fun Uh, or yeah, and that was the thing for my childhood that I loved So when I moved back to missouri, I made a commitment that I was going to get back into a hobby that I loved And it was war dollies and then I stayed because Well This yeah, okay. I'm I'm not I'm very easily manipulated Vince. I don't know if you know this to be sincere and earnest Okay, so maybe we can just maybe we just skip The next two minutes of me getting earnest and sincere And just you know, and just you just imagine what I might say the community the community is the community Yeah, exactly. That's right. That's that's going to be my answer too. That's obviously what brought me to aos as I played For ever since 1998 or whatever. So like it was just it was like, well, I'm going to keep playing this game This is the new version of this game. So I'm going to keep playing this game And the community and the friends I've made along why are incredible like I don't I couldn't imagine leaving this community I have too much fun with it Yeah, uh final question from alex. What are your favorite parts of aos and core frustrations? Well This may surprise you tyler. I know we haven't talked about it much I just feel like I should get it out here My core frustrations are with the magic system and battle tactics. I don't know if I've mentioned either of these before But I would say those are my core frustrations Yeah checks out favorite parts for you Uh, I love a lot of the armies. I love how much some of the armies feel like correct when they nail it when they get it aligned I love the Like some of the armies are really really fun to play Like I do love playing my scaven even though the book feels very sort of punishing sometimes to play against certain armies You know like when when when I have my armies that are like I feel like are well designed books Or are they aligned well with my personality? I just I love playing them and I love doing what they do I like the primary loop of the game. I think it's really good Yeah, that makes sense Yeah, I think one of my favorite things about aos isn't necessarily Well, it's it's about the game, but not necessarily the game itself or specific aspects of the game. It's Again, you've got me to earn us a space here. It's it's watching the game played beautifully by skilled players So for example like watching Watching bridge plays scaven versus Oh gosh, I'm forgetting his name the fellow who finished top eight at lvo who plays corn And he was on one of the recent season of war games and they just had this incredible high-skilled game It's it's amazing to watch the game at least for me right at the highest level Particularly when it's really good sportsmanship, right? You kind of mirror those together which they had And the yeah, so I just I love saying people play their armies Exceptionally well like I played this guy luke with stormcast. He just played it beautifully like it's it's amazing to see People who really know how to play their armies. Well, I really love that I think they The game can yeah, they can sing it can be artistic when you watch somebody really knows what they're doing do what they're doing I agree. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah Uh grumbling dad punk rock fire slayers using green pink fluorescent good or bad idea. No neither great idea Great idea. I'm here for it 100 percent Uh, brennan m. What's the one lesson you think gw has learned that you are excited for them to unlearn And why is it max size units discounts? Well, first of all, no nobody in the show nobody I know no sane person should ever defend max size units discounts. That was a terrible idea and I'm glad we got rid of it Um, I can tell you what I is. I think they should unlearn dropping points all the time Uh, we need to get points back up way up way higher. We need to shrink armies down That is step one of making this game faster. We have too many models on the table You just talked about it with stormcast, right? We we need to rebaseline this game way to hell up like like I I would I would love to see forces shrink to about You know, remember time when we flipped over to third part of the whole thing was we're making things more expensive Because you don't have to pay for battalions anymore But now over time That all got chewed away and points have gone down and down and down and down and down and down and down And now we have these massive armies. I would love to see armies be 60 of the size they are right now literally Okay So I I would just I would love to see tons of things Jump up. Yeah Natalie, thank you. Fabian. That's the fellow's name. Yeah place corn top eight lvo. Nice just an amazing game Uh, yeah, that's that's really good Uh It was disconcerting seeing the fusiliers war scroll when that came out where we were repeating the mistake Of sentinels, uh, I would really like to see that get left behind, you know, re-rolling re-rolling In order to fish for a modified sixes to hit doing mortal wounds. That's that's not a good thing for this game Uh Yeah, there's there's a lot of different things that we could talk about here But generally we're on the on an upward direction in the right direction Yep, I agree Charles f we can all agree that a three hour game is too long or is a long game Sorry, it's not too long. I guess sorry the three hour game is a long game. How long should a game of a os take? Two and a half hours Yep It is two and a half hours. That is the correct number It should comfortably resolve within two and a half hours That's it. Amen. Yeah, that's the answer Like it's not uh because that's what fits correctly and well and comfortably in a three tournament three game tournament day like that's that's it Yeah, okay Charles f 40k is the rule of three You can only include three of a unit unless it's about a line and then those are limited to six Would you like to see something similar to that for a os? No No, I don't care Like sometimes spam happens. Okay spam doesn't happen like a rule like this doesn't stop Anything from happening. It just means that okay people max it out. Who cares like it just no, we don't need that Uh, we've had a disagreement around this. I don't know what The ideal answer is here. I can tell you the ideal answer It's it's to put if if you think a unit should be limited and shouldn't be spammed it should have A setting that limits its inclusion at the unit specific level not a broad core game rule level Again, so like okay in the old world. You'll have units. They're like one per thousand points Or three per thousand points or whatever because they're they're forcibly rarefied So if you think you have a unit that's like that just put that limiter on there Like right now all we have is single or are you sorry unique iPod unique and go nuts Sure Those are the only settings Right. Yeah We just put something in between unique and go nuts at the unit level Not at the core game level because you want to allow For things to just be like yes or most things are fine. Most things are fine If you decide to take an army of just like all 20 packs of clan rats I assure you nothing breaks It's fine. It's terrible. It works Okay But zombies Or at least I don't know the current state, but obviously they got whacked But yeah, not too long ago doing that and quite a bit different Yeah, some is That that makes a lot of sense We've talked a lot about it. I do think it personally it is an issue I hate it on a number of levels. I I get the idea of some armies should be themed armies You know, here's my dragons. Here's my all pigs army Okay. Yeah, like some of that makes sense to me but six vexallors Or even I don't know an army of 50 castigators Like, okay, it's a choice. Like I'm not saying it's the wrong choice. It's just not for me And I would I would like there to be less of that in this ecosystem Yeah, I mean, I don't think we have a massive problem with spam, but it's we don't it usually happens when you can make it Battleline that's where it actually happens and in which case a limit of six isn't going to stop bad behavior That's what it comes down to Yeah, like if I could still got six steam tanks or six units of zombies or whatever But I'm still making as many like that has stopped zero things. Six is spam Okay, right And and when maybe and the battle line spam is always where the problem lies Yeah, yeah And yeah, I mean, you know ultimately Vince my argument on this it's kind of it's like It's the it's valuing differentiation, right? Uh, sure I think you know dynamism goes up when you have variety In a list when you should incentivize the army to be built that way. Yes Yeah, and and a lot of it comes back to let's have more armies that reflect mod arranges You know more of a mod arrange rather than yes spamming zombies and an army that has a bucket of ore scrolls Yeah, this falls into my like ounce of prevention thing again You can do it the reason I don't want it as a core rule is because I think it just doesn't need to exist It doesn't need to exist It's only there if you if you're it's a pound of cure when you're making bad design One make better design choices to think about it in advance and put it into the book and limit it with some number If you think it's going to be if you want it to be constrained. That's it Yeah, we did this for the history of warhammer Like there were units that had x limit Per what per y or something like that throughout the entire history of warhammer. It's not like it's weird Okay So all right, we could Could just do as pat noon says and everybody just play highlander list. I mean absolutely better solved better place. So yeah, there you go Uh charles f vince has been critical of tournaments and competitive play I have I've been critical of everything apparently. No, I'm not. I'm not. What is this? What is this coming from? I go to like five tournaments a year Uh, I've thought it's not as many as a lot of people But I don't know it's a good number like it's as much as my schedule will allow You don't get the memo tom's the positive one on this show. You're the grump. How does I'm the negative answer? Okay Has he ever considered running a gt? Hell no Uh, and how might his vent differ from a normal gt? I it wouldn't because I would never run it I have zero interest in being a tournament organizer. That is real and very hard work And I do not have the time. I have three jobs already, man. I don't need a fourth And that's like very hard work I have one dying respect for to's That you haven't seen a gts that you would like to see that's anything that comes to mind that I could be interested. Nope variants Not really. That's it variants. That is literally my answer, right? I want to see the to's Expression of the game whether it's you having your awards for like the highlander lists Whether it's nash con and running Two lists, right the two list format Herner's holy events and the the you know, very weird sort of narrative structure that he has Whatever, right? Like just I love it when when to's kind of do things that make the tournament interesting in their own That's what it comes down to Yeah So cool I just I I have no specific thing Go nuts Sure that sure that garith get on that garith. Uh, high variants A deep lack of standardization Correct. That's what I'm looking for Yes, uh Letharonak or letharonak. I don't know vince personal question How do you manage a full-time career running the most consistently updated channel on youtube snarling badger teaching classes painting and playing aos? Um, sure. Here is the answer. I live an incredibly regimented structured life I wake up I do the same thing every single day on each day of the week at certain times. I subtract all choice From my life that I possibly can I eat the same lunch I drink the same drinks at the same time of every day. I work out at the exact same time every day I have a certain exact set times set apart for work certain Times set apart for videos first class for teaching for everything. My schedule is regimented like the Uh, you know, the military has nothing on me. Okay And and that is how like that's how I manage it and I subtract anything that is a decision that I don't need to be a decision is gone That's gone like Remove in in the absence of choice is bliss That is what I will say There you go Okay, uh Colonel cabbage. Here you go. Here you go, tyler. I was excited to see this one from from colonel cab Okay The schemes you created were written for a os one two. How would you re approach them for a os three or four? um Okay tyler We haven't really talked about this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah For a os three. I think we legitimately would need to change almost nothing other than to update some wording Yeah, honest answer I think they're fine Like there's there's wording changes that would need to happen because of a couple more changes But other than that, yeah, I looked at the document a few months ago. I think I think you're generally right I did the same thing. Actually, I brought it up and I was looking over it. Yeah Yeah Yeah And and it would yeah, you would just replace the battle tactics system I think you could keep the grand strats if you wanted to and you would just swap in the scheme for the battle tactics system Right if you're doing it for 3.0. Yeah at its ornament Yeah, you're trying to complete a scheme like it would just you don't use battle tactics You just use a scheme grand strats are going to because it's effectively kind of in the middle ground of both Yeah, so you could do it. It's a little closer to grand strap But I would just jettison the battle tactics and try to do your scheme Yeah, yeah Yeah, I 4.0. Who knows I guess we'll see I'm hoping that that battle tactics becomes or grand strats or whatever I'm hoping they become something more like schemes honestly in uh 4.0 Cure dynamic when going to a tournament, what is your go-to snack to bring along? Well, my answer is none I don't snack. I do not eat outside of prescribed mealtimes. That's another thing like I eat Only twice a day during the week and once a day on the weekends and I only eat at very specific times And so on and so forth So uh, the worst meal of the day is dinner because I have to talk to my wife And we have to come to a consensus about what to eat which is always terrible because that means there's actually a choice um There was a time that's the last year where she was gone for like two weeks Like she was on she went on a long vacation for almost two weeks I just was like fantastic. No choice. No choice paralysis. I basically the same dinner every day. It was wonderful Like I varied on set days the week and I'm good to go. I know exactly what I'm doing win Uh, what about you Tyler? Do you got a snack? Do you got a go-to snack? Uh, whatever my friends have on hand that I might enjoy events again. It's all part of the collective Sure It's all just just sharing if you need a good answer. It's obviously beef jerky Doesn't spike your insulin gives you a good protein boost good energy. So there you go. Yep Yeah, uh, the only thing and I've ever deliberately brought my own is like It's boring granola bars. I love I love me a good granola bar, but yeah, I don't don't really have anything said Uh, there you go. Uh Once a day once on saturday once on sunday It's episode seven. Okay Uh, dan b would you run belfanos with kernoth sword scythe plus bugs or an oakenbrow with an assortment of tree lords? I believe this one. Tyler is for you Yeah, let's see. I would do Kernoth sword sides and bugs over oakenbrow But I mean certainly playable and that's uh friend ryan cabin ran oakenbrow with belfanos and a bunch of different tree lords over the weekend Dan check out the latest Rtt discussion from jordan on season of war jordan has been going through Now like four different videos of his iterative List building through four different g rtt's and his latest one is really good. So he's got The most efficient shooting option one of the most efficient shooting options in order as allies two by ten reverse I don't know but they don't hold the candle to the judicators. I mean we'll we'll get to that Of course, I mean we're honest here, but you know, they're they're pretty good So, uh, dan check that out. It's a great list It's I think addressing a number of the things you need to address for combined damage And for kind of leveraging the right set of tools for doing well with subaneth But yeah, all is equal sword size and bugs. Uh, I would I would lean in that direction I mean subaneth learned a very interesting two hundred perfectly balanced as all things should be just right there. It's right on the line balance Enjoying the clickbait today from multiple people Okay, here we go, um me or said vince, what do you normally have for lunch my standard lunch is two I have a greek non-fat plain greek yogurt Two spoons two tablespoons of that and then a the high protein zero percent fat zero whatever Uh cup of oikos greek yogurt I mix the two together with some fresh blueberries and some blueberry flax granola. I'm very specific about my granola It cannot have nuts in it of any kind because I'm allergic to all nuts and it cannot have I have to minimize added sugar because again, that's just a that's just Ruins basically a healthy meal. So I get the one I get the there's a very specific granola I buy that does not have much in the way of any added sugar or anything like that And then a couple tablespoons of that mixed in that's my lunch. It's a small bowl of of that So there you go. It's a very nice lunch Extremely high protein no carbs keeps you going or very low carbs Sickness that was confirmed a long time ago buddy catch up Yeah Uh, yes, absolutely Uh, dino's what is wrong with iron jaws? I mean, what's not wrong with iron jaws? Um, how can they be fixed? They're an actual competitive army boy? They are one of the losingest armies right now, you know Shout out to Marco Marco Hernandez, I think From london star g2 dude. He went for one. Yeah old school iron job a bunch of pigs one cabbage It was great. But yeah, no, absolutely. They're doing terrible right now Yeah, I mean it is because the your main guy the cabbage hits like a feather basically Yeah, um, you cannot rely on casting a spell to like teleport him You're one trick of movement of super movement is stopped by anybody who has chaff Your army does not actually have like much in the way of decent damage once you wander out of war chanter range And you have Basically one you've got one gear Which is be decently fast and then hit in melee decently hard with no mortal wounds It's like all rent right like yes You've sort of got zograk if you get that off and you have that guy But once you send forth the pig missile with zograk's bonus, that's it And then it's only on sixes right hope that you can double Double somebody ideally round two into round three. Yeah, or or maybe just round, you know the the classic bottom of round one I don't think you can kill it up I think you have to kind of I think you have to play it a little bit Chew a couple small things up and then go for the double two into three. Yep two and three. Yeah Yeah, I've never seen an army dude more Tip on that round two and round three double like that is all iron shots It's just it's such a mono dimensional army. It's got no tricks No, nothing like the joke about playing fair war hammer. I mean, yes, they have funny movement tricks and in like You but it's like it's the most obvious trick ever because you can also just stop it just move near them Then they can't move again, right? It's just like It's it's very easy to to to shut that off With like one shadow that ends up 12 inches away from most of their army and suddenly mighty destroyers turns off and like Well, that's it. There goes your only Yeah, and then new war scrolls we talked about at the time. They didn't really put enough on the table, you know enough different tools Um optionality, you know variants in the way that bell fond of stiff work something that we've discussed or even on us Uh, it's just yeah, it was a lot of mostly a lot of the same Previously, I'd be curious to see how the the big pigs are now with the momentum change Yeah, I need to talk more don one of our One of my friends locally, uh don's been running a bunch of big pigs He's got that from lone star. I haven't met it with him yet to find out how that went but anyway Yeah, he's been trying to make that work. So a little better still not great The medium pig is the best is what it comes down to now with the momentum change. So gotcha. Yeah Um Ghost button is snarling badger hiring now or in the future. No, not right now in the future I don't know man. Who knows what could ever happen. Uh, I mean for now It's all Adam and I and unrelated could you remind me where the like button is absolutely hit that like button It's right down there under the screen. You can just hit that easily and we love it when you do Um, Dinos, what's the future look like for the show? I don't know. We want to get some cool guests this year. I don't think I Yeah, I don't I don't have any great desire to to make any huge changes You know, we've done the same segments more or less for like Almost become we're in our we're in it. We're coming up on our, you know, next year will be our 10th anniversary And I don't have any great need to change it I mean, I don't know. Johnny Carson was on the air for what like 30 years doing the same segments and having Ekman Bansik next to him and go You know, like that's I don't know. He seemed like he did all right So that's cool Do you got anything you want to change, Tyler? Longer shows too Longer shows would be great. We've had way too many shows under two hours. It's not It sucked to be honest So we need to get this show into a podcast form I would love to be able to go on walks and actually catch up on some of these tom shows that I've missed That's a good change. We could look at that. We could look at taking this and putting it onto a podcast platform That that that is actually not an impossible thing. It's extra work, but we could look at it. Um, the um, I will say That Tyler you'll be happy to know I was looking at some recent show analytics and there was a pretty direct correlation out now This isn't this is not causation. This is correlation Between the shorter shows got less views than the longer shows Okay I was totally convinced you were trying to break my heart. You're gonna go the other way. No. No. Oh my god The longer shows got more views now again, tyler correlation Hear my words Because there are other things that correlate there too Like for example, the longer shows tend to be about more interesting topics that more people want to know about at that moment But nonetheless, here we are Don't get fancy This is amazing Yes, oh my god. This is a great show tonight. Let's go five hours. Come on. Yeah, absolutely Uh, but yeah, I think I think that's the kind of stuff we we'll look at. Yeah Yeah, I would love to hear If people have comments or stuff they want to see us change. Yes. Do I need a cool background? Like joining to do I need to get some colored gel lights behind me like every other youtuber or whatever like Soundboard. Yeah, uh, get some Yeah, we should get a soundboard that'd be fun. It'd be fun to have a soundboard, right? Yeah, yeah Yeah, I'm jealous whenever I watch they will streams and everything that he's got. He's got those little pop-ups and stuff Those are super cool I do love those. Yeah We need uh, what what would be good for the future of the show? So We've been a little too lazy of late about getting A broader diversity of voices on I'll say not just people who can come on and tell us we're idiots But I mean that's a low bar That's easy It's it's very useful hearing. Yeah, you know different perspectives Uh filling in blind spots that sort of thing. So yeah, anybody have any thoughts ideas on that where we might have blind spots and Yeah, I'm always interested in that. Yeah, if you're watching now or you're watching let watching this back later Honestly, first of all, thank you for making it two hours and 40 minutes into this of us just answering ransom questions Um, but secondly if anybody has any thoughts on on you know, things they'd like to see I I'm I am all ears I'm not there's no way do I think we've like reached the mountaintop here. So, you know No Yeah I mean, yeah, we've got a huge list of show ideas like when we talk about recently We want to do we decided to wait on fourth edition is we want to You know, I get someone like Gavin on where we can run through if Gavin would be Hopefully willing to come on the show where we absolutely know who he is And we'll be glad he's sung his praises for years Uh, come on and tell us how to beat all these different armies in the game I think that would be a great resource I don't know that might be I mean that would be a six hour show Maybe if we try to do that we could probably do that pretty efficiently efficiently for us Going through all the different armies right how to beat them how to compete against them things like that I'd like I like this to do a little bit more of stuff like that Yeah Uh, all right can be can you say one nice thing about fire slayers? And what would it take to get you to pay a play a full army of fire slayers? Uh I'll answer the second question first independent wealth If you can pay me enough money That I no longer need to work for the rest of my life Okay, I will happily paint and play an army of fire slayers. I'll set the bar At two million dollars. Okay, that's not actually true financial independence in the modern economy But it's a credible amount of money. So I feel that's reasonable. Okay, so For the low cost of two million dollars. I will paint and play fire slayers for a full year. There you go That's my that's my my promise to you. So start the crowdfunding campaign now Uh Can I say a nice thing about fire slayers? Yes, that recent flame seekers unit was legitimately awesome And I like a lot of the design in that unit. I thought that like I don't love all of them Some of them are completely derpy and goofy, but like four miles out of that unit. I did think we're legitimately cool I still I've kind of convinced myself that we are going to get a fire slayers expansion With that as the foundation for a new like updated cool line of models In 4.0 and like, I don't know if yeah, maybe not the first two years of 4.0 That's probably being a little too dreams. But yeah, obviously, we're not going to get a whole lot right this year We know how it works. Yeah but yeah Nick are How can the game encourage list diversity without that meaning leaning into skew? So often building something different means leaning super hard into a single direction, right? Like I'm going to be different. I'm using all of this skew, right? Yeah, yeah Just sorry. Yes 2 million usd. Sorry infinite dm. Yes, the united states dollars Not jeffree's bucks Yeah, yeah, not rubles Yeah, but back to this question. What do you think tyler? I think your award at a tournament is a good a good first step like your high order award. It's a great option Mm-hmm Yeah, and I mean, I liked your idea from earlier of A midway point between where we are at the moment in terms of lack of options to address potential spamming issues Something along those lines would help Oh I mean So so Obviously, like there are hard limiters like what I talked about like like you mentioned, right? That's a hard limiter, right? There's also soft incentives So having more armies of renown Functionally in the game that encourage different units to be utilized or to be utilized in different ways As long as they themselves don't get skewy and spammy Right. So more armies of renown kind of how they work in the old world Where it encourages different mixtures of units being used in different ways and gives different units different abilities That opens up new avenues. That's a way to say like, okay Like potentially what we're seeing with Krugla's crone host or whatever, you know, I don't I remember her name But you know, I'm talking about like potentially what that seems to be pointing at right where it's like Here's this side of the army and this is the kind of standard way But here's another leader that makes you want to play these other Group of underused units and opens up a new app in a way bell found us Doing this is something. Yeah, absolutely, right So yeah, that's good. Another thing that comes to mind We can't we've discussed this to death, but one of the structural issues with 3.0 Say particularly early on with the battle tomes is that we had Subfactions, sorry, we had subfactions. No, I wasn't doing that. I was trying to get my camera. We focused. It's making me angry. Oh, gosh Dude, we had so many battle tomes where Each subfaction said hey spam this unit. Hey spam Do it. Yeah, exactly. Um, did subfactions would be a great first first step just we don't need them anymore I've I mentioned this on a show before. I just don't think we need subfactions anymore I really don't I think armies are renowned in the future not subfactions interesting, okay Uh, I must have missed that. I think it was on a show with tom. I mentioned it But yes subfactions are so like look four out of five times. They're just spam this unit Oh Yeah, well, they don't have to be But it's hard like they're not going to make eight subfactions that aren't spam this unit to some degree because you can't fit it Yeah, one rule Yeah, I'm just trying to think of Some of the better examples recently I think a soul blight Soul blight has done a pretty good job. I think of an army that's never seen spam for sure Sure, but even yeah But at least that you know lesion of blood Legion of night having like everything's seen play for the most part varicose Sure, it's not entirely addressing it, but uh, I yeah, it's certainly better on that front Uh, I mean, I think the other answer is just better internal balance out of the gate, right Focus more on internal balance like part of this is just literally at the design level If if a broader selection of units are interesting and work together in more interesting synergistic ways Not just from printed rules, but from an actual game effect Right like by combining simply what unit a is doing with what unit b is doing Not anything that's printed on the scroll not unit a gives unit b plus one to hit Just like unit a is doing something that then allows unit b to be more functional Right, and the more of that you have going on The the more you will simply see diversity and list it's that easy, right And in fact the less you tie it to hard written rules where like a bonuses b The more they can then combine it like actually a still works. Okay with c as well Right and and so on and so forth so And on the whole highlander thing, you know Highly biased if they're So I haven't had that much pushback On the highlander concepts. I mean one question would be why would you get pushed back on that? A good friend of mine He has had pushed back on it like he doesn't like it I'm actually not entirely sure What elements that he doesn't I think maybe part of it is Maybe he feels like it's I need to just ask him this week Maybe he feels like it's incentivizing something that I should not necessarily be incentivizing I don't know But if there were one award that I feel it would be a net plus in the community It you know to have at a lot more events that would be highlander I think that would be that would be really fascinating and really good for for an ecosystem There are some armies that fall out of highlander as oh, this just looks like a corn army, right? Oh, this just looks like I don't know maybe yeah, like some armies write hyper, you know, very competitive Fibre oriented list just by the nature. But yeah, anyway, I I think it does so much for dynamism and Um, yeah, I don't have to repeat the gospel. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine a couple from the chat here real quick Um, do you think the four points cold spanks? Do you think the four point overlays could be cities versus scaven and maybe cities could be updated to other worlds? No, I do not I wish it was it should be but it'll be stormcast. It'll be stormcast versus scaven. That's just what it will be Um Jim crimson's why doesn't combat patrol style option exists from a os it will its spearhead I mean, that's what they've been leading up to with the spearhead You're seeing the new releases of these spearhead boxes That's going to be the combat patrol for a os that launches with forth like again It's the most I don't know that but come on. We know that like it's just it's written on the on the I've never seen something more telegraphed, right? So yeah Yep Okay Nick are this is a this is a fun question tyler. I like this one I love I love when you get these nice curveball questions. These are fun What's an amenity that you love to see at tournaments that often gets overlooked? I mean what what is an amenity you like to see there tyler? I will tell you my answer Yeah Easy access to a good restaurant or restaurants for lunch or dinner Yeah Yeah, that's big Yeah, absolutely Oh, I have a second one. You ready? Uh-huh space in between Each goddamn play space where I can actually set up my casualties and or my little army carrying case and or my extra junk That is the greatest amenity You can ever have at a tournament when you have somewhere to sit Your crap and you are not but to but and five inches away from other people Um the couple tournaments that happened like during the later period of covid was great because everyone was still very social distance So tables were like well spread apart And I loved it. I loved it. We had room You could spread out you could set your thing down or something died. You could just be like sure move it over here off the table Absolutely. Yeah, that's huge This seemingly is a little one and maybe it's not necessarily overlooked, but it's very important I think to have water readily available and accessible at all times I mean, especially for folks who may rely on that, you know, those were diabetic You know, like I think it's really critical for tournaments to be thinking about Things like that, you know and and and doing whatever you can to help on that front So, yeah readily available water like a bottle water as part of the pack part whatever goodie bag That's I think that's really really nice Uh, what else gosh, there's so many that we I like the I mean, I'm sure many people would answer like an open art Not an open bar, but you know a bar or something like that readily available More people can get drinks. I mean, I don't drink. So that's not really a thing that that Means anything to me, but I'm sure most people like it Yeah Seeing a lot of yes and mention give aside tables of the by rolling carts just to make our own space at times I hate the infusion of all the rolling carts. A couple people thought of that now it's just everywhere and now it's just in these tight spaces. It's just It doesn't like I get it. I don't I don't begrudge people for for doing it. I'm just saying like boy Does it just make everything worse? Mm-hmm I've been yeah proper air circulation I've been to tournaments when the room is hot and boy does that suck But that's often been I love it. I like it hot Okay, I'm gonna move on but yeah, that's that's a good question. Absolutely Uh, Travis be what steps could a new player take to start playing competitively? I'm gonna give my three simple answers. I think this is actually pretty easy one play people who play people who are better than you to Ask those people for feedback after the game as to what you did wrong Okay, like and have them help you and instruct you and three Watch other people who play at high competitive levels in good bat reports Like season war and stuff like that and listened when they tell you the why of why they're doing what they're doing and then you know Interpret that into your own armies and choices you make Yeah, yeah, that seems good. Yeah Yeah, uh, listen to miscast podcast. They've got tremendous content on this front Yeah, that's divided into different series Bunch of bunch of places of great content. But yeah, they Darren Dio and Jackson, Alex and company. They especially come to mind with the episodes that they've done Yeah, I mean if you really want to get serious about it, there's always onwards aos Then again, Darren and others are involved in a whole bunch of competitive players across the world Are involved in that as a coaching service. But yeah Uh, they do a bunch of cool things over there But yeah, no, that's good Travis B. I keep hearing there's a new edition book supplement coming out Should I continue to wait forever to join this game? No, we mentioned it just like Figure out the army you want right now start doing test models get your terrain ready You know, whatever whatever like there's plenty of things you can do now Just it's just you know, yeah, we're we are in the twilight period of the edition It's one of the challenges one of the reasons tile and I decided to do this show right now Because honestly like what are we going to do revisiting an army? Yeah It's like oh, this is good for another two months. And then you know, like it just Yeah, it's really hard for us to do content on on a lot of things We want to talk about at the very at sort of in the last Waiting three four months of an edition right because it's going to become very soon It's going to the news is going to be all about the the new edition and stuff like that and and frankly After that we're going to want to be breaking into like, you know If there is indices then we're going to be doing show after show after show of like this army that army these armies, you know and so Uh, all right Uh, Travis B. This is a fun question. Hi. My name is local power gamer and everyone hates playing me What can I do to tone it down so everyone can have fun? Tyler I I have the perfect answer for this. Okay. I think excellent Yeah, let's hear it. You're a power gamer and you want to tone it down You ready for this Okay You need to play an army. You are less familiar with Okay, not zero familiarity with just less familiar with it can't be the one you're like highly practiced with and you need to make your list 10 minutes before you leave for the store or play the game or whatever. That's it. You have 10 minutes to make your list Okay, that's it That will decrease your power level considerably Like because you'll just make choices about what to pick Like take 20 minutes if you feel if you feel in saucy, right? um And you're you like it will just lower your power level. It's a great way to do it Like basically play limited is almost what you're doing there To make a magic reverence for the fifth time So Yes, this is definitely a thing um I know gamers who seem to be literally incapable of writing casual list They also think that they're writing casual list Like who think that they're playing. Yeah, something casual and it's not yeah people players who Not right or wrong. It's just the core dna is their optimizers And they cannot not optimize that's why you got to shut that off. You got to shut that off. Yeah So that's that's pretty good. Yeah, if you just don't give yourself the time to optimize you can't optimize Modern problems to require modern solutions Yeah, you can maybe try to have somebody else write your list. Sure. Uh, maybe somebody experienced. Yeah, I'd get like Yeah, just hey, I want to play Crowboys, okay Can you write write my list and write what you think would be a casual more fun crowboys list that doesn't have 3 by 6 bolt boys in it or whatever. Yeah Jim Cremins, what scaven faction are we rooting for in the launch box? My hope him is clan eshin I think it'll be either eshin or or um our scryer. So yeah We've already seen a scryer unit. So like but we don't know that for sure. That's going to be anything to do with the launch box David see 3d prints. Yay or nay for events and tournaments and why big. Yay big. Yay huge. Yay all the way up. Yay No reservations whatsoever as long as they're not 3d print complete knockoffs like rescans of existing models because that's just intellectual theft But like every other producer like you want to you know like clay beast Excuse me like archvillain games or clay beast creations are great Independent creators who are out there making cool models of their own and making them available to you either through their patreon Or through my manufacturer or something for 3d prints. I say hell. Yeah go nuts Absolutely Your army should look like how you want it to look period No one else owns your army So I do some more just so you know, you're not oh, I know Don't worry. Uh, well, I have something that I didn't even send you that I've loved boy. We're not even Tyler This is not all your questions. This is page one Oh amazing. All right. Good. I was getting worried David s. What was your first war game strategy game tabletop video game? I mean I played video games before I played tabletop war games so Probably command and conquer or starcraft those would have been the ones that I was playing Uh, the great command and conquer red alert like that driving theme song of like that was That was my answer. Yeah command and conquer one, but yeah, especially red alert incredible. Yeah Uh, and then well, uh, yeah, was that I don't know what was first, right? It was it uh, battle masters Battle masters is is up there That was very early for me. Yeah, I did play some battle masters. That's true. Yeah, I did do that Yeah, if that counts. Yeah, that's true. I did play battle masters before I played starcraft or warcraft I guess original recipe warcraft right warcraft one if that counts. Yes, that would have been the very first thing I played that over dial up on my computer that had a 14-4 mode a minute And I dialed it called my friend directly and we played like we played games over the internet. It was amazing We could do that. So there you go. Yeah I think you had to like type in their ip address or something. I don't remember you could do it You had to like direct connect to them. I don't remember exactly how it worked I know a few years after that we would do like eight Game or eight computer. We'd all bring our computers to my buddy worked at a computer store And we'd all bring our computers to this place called software gallery And we'd set up like a token ring net like a coaxial token ring network and play like eight player warcraft two games so Nice Did you ever go to any like cons or you know like quake con or anything? No. No Uh, yeah, it's never that cool Uh, okay Um I never I never played the the dune video game that came out for sega. I I watched my buddy Dave play it some he really liked it. Um, it's a shame because I really did love dune, but um, Like it was the same guy who I watched Dune with like all the time We would we would watch I wanted to watch dune all the time. I just I loved the movie I watched watched it over and over again. Usually we were chemically altered in some way when watching it So there you go. Sure Um, how is the new snarling badger game coming? Good. Tyler is editing right now and Tom and I just finished development. Can you drop any hints on the setting? No Uh, and what terrain will you need? You know terrain like the things you would imagine, uh, that are normally terrain Um, what flavor is your is is my vape? None. It's like a it's like a basically neutral sort of mentholish flavor There you go. Um, okay Uh Let's see Really, I look distressed. I can I can't be fidgety might might be the camera. No, just that question really got you there That was that was the one. Oh, okay. What about playing with unpainted models? I mean if it happens in your home table, it's fine. That's my answer to that question But you know try to paint your stuff Just try to paint your stuff like you should be I don't care if your models are unpainted as long as you're making progress That's it. It's like doesn't have to be every week life happens, but you know make progress as long as I see progress over time p over t We're good That's the answer to that Okay How do you guys decide on an army color scheme? Well, tyler you picked yours because what you just you really liked the image, right? You thought it was cool. Uh, yeah, yeah, I really liked the image and uh, you know Boy, like this is a setup to make me feel guilty in these last two questions. That's fine. That's all right Um, I'm in I'm working on it. You'll get there Making progress. That's the critical thing is there's a hard deadline And unfortunately, I'm not going to let you down badly If only I could let you down it would make things a lot easier, but I can't I believe in you, buddy um, okay Average joseph vint strikes me as a protest player rushing dark Templars No, I was uh, I think I was mostly Terran's honestly like, uh, I hear you sir. I don't know. I love I love battleships and Tanks and stuff like that. I like things that go boom Uh, protests were too finicky See you you construct additional pylons. Okay. I don't want to hear from you. All right, so Okay Tyler these are your last questions here that I've got uh derrick h How do you analyze what's working on the box art when you try to change up elements of the scheme and still have it feel good? Uh, I mean, I don't really follow the box art too closely. I think most of the time it's just like you're going to have elements that are Usually kind of obvious and it's okay. You don't have to deviate from those what I mean by that is like it's a steel Hobber it's a leather belt Like you can vary the color brown a little or the color steel a little but that's more or less been decided for you So what you're really talking about is like, do you want a blue cloak or a red cloak or a purple cloak? Right like that's most of the choices you're making on on many figs And so just you know pick the colors you like it's like you're a thing with stormcast Like is are they made of what what's this color and then what's this color? you know That's it So I look at color plates for the army like you you were looking at you found a cool looking image of the army, right? Let's just look at other people who've painted it and see what grabs you Derrick h how long Many how long how many games would you say it takes to really get a feel for an army's play style? What do you think tyler? I mean we have to do this a lot right like oftentimes we have to be able to do this just from reading the book because we do a show Right. Yeah for you to get really comfortable With like an army's play style. How many games do you need? So if i'm trying to so There's different levels of this for me The level of I think what he's referring to here to get a feel for it probably about five games to Get a good enough feel to You know three two four one 15 games For me like like with lesion of night here. I do it. I've gotten so many reps with lesion of night I could fill four hours talking about lesion of night Not that anybody would want to listen to that but It's I'm still learning Micro details and and a high level plays concepts strategies tactics with lesion of night I don't know 60 70 games in yeah, sure and I've got a list you have notes of different situations You know like okay in these missions under these circumstances Here's the potential play to deny surrounded destroy Here's etc etc. So yeah, it just depends on what level you're talking about but yeah, those are a few thoughts Yeah, I agree like three to five and then you just continue to learn stuff as you go. I agree Uh Derek H if you're at a tournament and you're unfamiliar with your opponent's army What are the key things to ask them that aren't going to eat into your already limited time? Uh, sure. They're special tricks. What what are your weird tricks? Okay, like what are your weird tricks that break the rules in big ways? Two, what do you have the ability to get into me turn one? What's kind of your maximum threat range for your units three? What are your big range threats? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's pretty good Yeah, what are your special tricks weird tricks another way of saying and what are the potential gotchas here? Yeah, you know most players. Yeah Are not keen to lose a game When they get massively surprised and it just has a a major shift or a major impact on the game So yeah, like like Legion of night again, uh, I've been trying every single game Played transparently ageless cunning the counter charge Uh, Manfred's redeploy charge and then of course swift form the teleport right in in each hero face as long as They're not in combat. The vampire is not in combat. So yeah, just I think that's the idea way to play warhammer It's kind of operate transparently with with those things as much as possible I agree Oh, well, I don't get why like a friend of mine he often A friend of mine is not the highest information player Uh, he had a rough time at a tournament recently And I don't know I don't get the hesitancy that he seems to have and others seem to have about these kind of questions Because yeah, it just feels like It's just like it's the 80 20 thing, right? You know, you just give me The 20 percent of the information that's going to cover 80 percent of of relevancy To this game and it can happen very quickly. Sure All right, what would you look for in a successful battle report channel? brevity wit Okay, anything else? Nope. That's it. Those are my things uh for me you know Maybe I've watched more battle reports than any other human alive over the last eight years. Sure. I've watched a godly number of battle reports Uh, I I do think there is a lot of space for high quality play Remaining in the battle report space Uh, there are still a lot of games. Yeah, that just I mean there's value right in showing games where things don't go right Like jordan and rich will play a game where something weird happens and then that game will get skewed And it'll be over by round two or something like that, right? Like there can be value in that but Uh, this is this is gonna this is probably sounding elitist I'm not trying to sound elitist with with this. I'm just trying to say that I I think battery there's so much opportunity still for battle report content To showcase high quality well played games period. Yeah, that does not happen enough, right? And for the love of god roll your dice uh Having watched thousands upon thousands of games events I've have I told you this before my one conspiracy that I believe in life is that there is an art to dice rolling And it is not entirely random and you're not going to be able to tell me otherwise Because I've watched people who don't know how to roll dice And the results show it. Sure. Yeah, they they will flip a dice flick it dice you there It's like the dice have souls vents. They can feel what you're feeling Oh, I give them a shake and are good to good role. I get it. I understand I I believe you have to show them that I was depressed last night during our dnd game And then I rolled like a one and a two then a three because I just wasn't happy with what's going on And yeah, I was like, huh? That's what you get. Yeah. Yeah, it's what you get. Absolutely You get what you deserve when you when you do that to your dice Uh, and then tom's b final question. What makes an event worth traveling to? Uh a good to and uh a good to and You know a good group of players, so you know we're gonna be there That's it like good community good to like the to is gonna put together a pack That is them that looks fun And if the to if the pack looks fun to you and the people that are going to be there are fun to play against Which is basically most everything like because this community is awesome Uh, then you're gonna have a good time. Like that's my simple answer Natalie I feel called out. Sorry Natalie. Uh Yeah, yeah that about sums it up For me, I think like you events that are doing something different. Yeah, exactly I love events that have something interesting going on put out a cool pack if the pack is cool. I'm there Yeah Yeah, that's highly attractive Just a couple of quick wins from twitter that like came in too late for me to to actually answer Uh, okay, let's see here um Manzac, uh, who does incredible sculpting and and conversions and stuff said do you work on hobby collaborations? If so, when can we start I can work on the idea and conversion I could do the sculpting or help with it manzac I'd be honored to paint something you converted anytime like a hundred percent your stuff is absolutely exceptionally beautiful and amazing. He's a he's a he's so good What tip do you have to better understand what type of player you are and choose the correct army? We've done a couple shows on psychographic profile and stuff like that I really do think that's the answer like you've got to find the one that actually matches your psychographic profile I and and I don't think it's the look. I don't like I think that matters some I don't think it's even the play those are going to change I think it's it's there there's something deeper and I think it is that psycho a psychography Yeah There you go. That was just a couple that makes sense What one last thing to do that comes to mind on what makes a good battle report channel I do love channels that Have uh time and space for learnings, you know, what was learned in the game? Again, that's just something right that season of war has done really well And their latest format Amplifies it even more where you get a feel for Uh what ridges like as a player or what fabian that blades of corn player Is like as a player I find that fascinating, you know, like you get to know the person and they're thinking decision making that's that's all very useful but yeah space for For reflection for for learning I wish more about reports would would do that kind of in a in a meaningful structured way. Yep. Yeah Yeah, pat noon said how does the spike player shop for an army? They don't they just go buy corn I don't understand what we're talking about. That's what's the what's the issue Um, what is it of what why have we all decided that corn is the Strongest army in this game if corn is the strong. I feel like this is not about experience Dinos will appreciate this if corn is the strongest army in this game We are in one of the greatest places we've ever been in. No, they're they're not it's just I'm saying it's the spikiest army Oh, okay. All right fair. Yeah, they're not they're not the strongest army in the game I think they're good army like I think they're competitive and stuff, right? A great player playing corn has a good chance to lose any matchup Sure. No, I just think they're I just think they're the spikiest army. That's all Corn and the spikiest army Why I think they're the most spike army Why I think they're the most under your control You have the like spike wants control of all sort of randomness and corn has the most control of that Interesting. Okay. All right Because of last time you benefit from their loss you benefit from your loss through murder rolls and things like that Your units, uh, like your blood tithe is a very powerful resource your murder lust means you can generally you have a lot more Control of our movement than a lot of other things might allow all that stuff. So It's not about that. It's like it's good to have that as an army Yeah Yeah, okay. No, that's interesting. Yeah, there's a fair amount of that going on Yeah, you're right like in the hands of people really know what they're doing It's it's an exceptional army and you can optimize for yeah Uh, again Rich sent me some questions. Sean sent some questions in I'm gonna have to get to these you ready so many So many future future episode for now. We've gone for more than three hours. Tyler. So I feel we've we've satisfied our Give me give me one from Sean and one from rich go One from Sean And one from Pete No one from Sean All right Uh real quickly what I'm doing that Pete give me an easy meal to add to the week night cooking rotation. That's from plastic crack peter Give me an easy meal to add to the the week night. Yeah, sure week night cooking rotation go to a local producer of a good cheese like we I live by Amish country. So we go out to Amish country Every few months and we get a nice vacuum sealed fresh cheese locally made for directly from the cows that are there oftentimes it might be raw because it's you can do that because they don't have to submit to The normal laws here in the u.s. You go get yourself some fresh salami or something like that and you buy yourself a box of Something like triskets a very simple cracker something that has no No extra nonsense in it. It's just a cracker like there's there's no other Sugar or nonsense. It is just that maybe get yourself a little honey And uh, there you go. That's your dinner. You have yourself some cheese a little bit of crackers a few pieces of salami Maybe some honey on some of that cheese You're eating like a roman ember and it's one of the greatest simplest meals you can have It's fantastic. There you go. No thought easy peasy all your proteins you need with just a little bit of fiber to keep you regular Ridge what new army do you want to see next? What new army do you want to see next besides besides escaven relaunch? Um malaria is dark elves like that's the easy Yeah I like we've danced around this for so long now. We've just been edging on this forever. Let's just let's just get it over with Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because when you get that army terrier shouldn't be too far behind So yeah, two for one. That's that's the answer Sean whether to go low drops, uh, my current issues are big ones whether to go low drops or high drops I was doing the former but i've switched to the latter high drops and I found it to be so much better all that benefits you get from italians Plus being able to counter deploy it helps to have velikor laugh out loud Yeah, I mean I play a lot of high drop armies. So for me like I'm I'm here for the extra magic items and and stuff like that That's absolutely my my pick. I tend to not care about the low drop game unless I'm playing an army that needs to be in that position Sure. Yeah Yeah, Sean on principle high drops, uh, not always playing a high drop army Been playing a four drop army and it feels like playing a 10 drop army God, there's so no either go to all the drops and stop it or or be one. That's it. There's two choices one and 14 That's it pretty much it feels like that man. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like three out of four games I play the player is one or two drops period. Yeah, it's it's it's wild Yeah, um By the way, uh Haiti said add some grapes to that 100% if you can get a fresh fresh grapes Oh, wonderful. Like grapes are another great thing almost no calories delicious like a good pack of fresh greener Whatever grapes are just absolutely wonderful. Yeah, I'm great great great addition to the meal. Very juicy Uh, okay, let's see. Is there anything else we want to answer before we get out of here What's going to happen to the aos old world shared armies or bosc getting kicked out of aos? No idea I mean, I don't I don't think so, but I mean anything's possible Who knows they could just say I guess both just we'll let it we'll let it ride I think there's some pretty big visa chaos fans in the in the in the aos You know sort of ecosystem over there. So So there you go Okay, cool Did we answer all of the questions? No, but you're you're being annoying and insisting that we stop this show. So Yes, after three hours is 15 minutes. So I've got early morning meetings. We do have to eventually cut the cut the feed That's right. That's right. I'm being annoying. Yes. I'm a jerk everybody. It's all me Actually, do you have one more question you want to end on tyler? Let's switch it up and just say thank you for indulging me I appreciate you as a friend As a content creator as an influencer. Oh, yeah, that's a human name Yeah, you're such an influencer And this has been fun. I hope everybody enjoyed this I feel like I blathered on quite a bit. I look distressed at times While you're just looking cool over there blowing smoke out of your nose. Yep, but it was a good time This was great. Thank you all for all your amazing questions. We'll do this again in the future. I actually really like this Doing this as a thing Yeah hit like before you go all those fun things. I think it is more than that cold It's just like it doesn't register for some reason youtube gets funny in live mode um, but um the Next time we do this by the way, we'll have to do one where it's just like literally ask us anything We'll get tom on and it has to be you cannot be a os or hobby related like it has to be stuff about us Just so we make people ask us weird questions. We have to confess live and on on stream For everything everything in our lives. Yeah, absolutely But this was great. I'm just gonna blow some minds. Oh, I'm sure absolutely This was great. Thank you all for the amazing questions hit like hit subscribe do all those fun things that make all those dings. Absolutely Uh, if you want to support the channel, hey Just clicking those buttons really does so share it with somebody tell somebody about the show There's links down there. 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