 Hello out there in television land and welcome. It's the December version of Stump the Chumps, our topic this evening, Williston. I'll be frank with you folks, I know nada. That is nothing about Williston, but I'm no fool because right with me today are two esteemed gentlemen that know everything you wanted to ever know and more about the town of Williston. And my immediate left, Herb Goodrich. He knows it all and what he doesn't know, the man on his immediate left will tell us Howard Lunderville, Mr. Williston, and between the two of them you'll be high pressed to stump us on Williston questions. And we've got some dozers for you and we've taped a little bit as an introduction yesterday. First of all, Al Wheel is taking this evening off, but he did the filming with me yesterday and he will be back in future programs. We've got swell prizes for you folks and we plan to ask a lot of interesting questions. Eat your heart out, Channel 33. ETV gets all that foundation money to do a slick show. This is a real Williston show, folks. We'll tell you what Williston's all about when we come back, we'll have a short introductory tape and we invite you to call us here at 862-3966 and buy for some swell prizes like this Vermont teddy bear, this little fella's going to go to the one that you fellas judge with me to be the best caller that we received this evening. So after the tape, we'll be back and we welcome your calls to our program. Stand by and listen to the interesting questions that we throw out at you at this tape and then give us a ring right when we come back. And I think you'll enjoy the little historic view through Williston with us as we did this scene yesterday morning. Here's a stump to chumps. Here it is, December, and we are in the town of Williston, and I couldn't have picked more esteemed gentlemen than are present with me today in the meeting rooms of the town hall. On my left, Howard Lunderville, need I say more, and on my right, Herb Goodrich. You're going to need an awful lot of thinking to stump these two fellas and they've got some great questions. The reason we're inside is to be frank with you, it's cold out there. And my cameraman, Al Angle, says we'll do the filming inside and then go outside and surround the questions that we're going to ask here with some visuals. So the first question involves a bridge here, and how can we frame this, Howard? They're going to see it and how can we frame the question here? Where is the bridge on the east side of Williston that goes nowhere? Yeah, and who had the great foresight to build that thing? Great construction job. All right, thanks, Howard. Now, our next question, and Herb, I'm going to join you, and you're going to ask us about some other site here, and this is what kind of question can we ask the folks about this site? Right on the corner of Oak Hill Road and route two, there was a building. Can anybody tell us what that building is and who run it? Right, it's a public building for us. Who ran that? Well, you're looking at the army now, do you tell us what was there before the army was built? There are two public buildings around, I'd say, right? Right, okay. Herb, you've got a question about this site here. Yeah, it's a grocery store, which is now owned by Tom and Kim. Can anyone tell us who the four or five original owners, or what it has been of that store? All right, I'll get him guessing. It thinks a lot. Yes, sir, town of Williston, citizen of the year again, because Howard Lunderville has informed me, the town has been saved a lot of money over the years, not having to pay for a lot of street removal and stuff like that. It's all been taken care of for you, Howard. And what's the question involving that? The question is, who is the first one that is, and who is the one, the gentleman that is doing it now? And also, not on the payroll, so you agree with me on the money, right? That's right. All right, and you have a couple other questions that you can ask the viewers. Yes, I'd like to know what was at Pine Ridge School before Pine Ridge School was there. Okay. And another one, what was at the town of Limefield before the Limefield was there? Beautiful. I'll start them off with a movie that they're still thinking about. And don't forget to call in folks, 862-3966. Okay, what was located originally where Friendly's is at top corners? Beautiful question. Only one particular, again, a public building, what was there? Private business? No, I'll give it away if I try to get any other answers. What was where Friendly's is now? Yes. Number two. There were two creameries in town. Where were they located? And who owned them? And who owned them? All right. And the third one I had is there was an open-air theater. And wait a minute, the roof blew off or what are you talking about? No, it was just things that just went on during the summer time, movies. At night with outdoor lights surrounding the situation? Right, and where was it located? I'll be done. Now, there was also a couple of, were there canneries in town? At all, any other businesses, granaries? There was a grain mill and also a big grocery store in the northern part of town. The northern part of town, the grocery store. We want to know who owned that one. Beautiful. And we're also wanting to discuss murders on this program. We want to know some mystery here in town. I guess we had a couple of those, too. Well, we want to know who they involved. And we can talk the big fires here in town. And anything else that our viewers want to discuss, we're available to them. In addition, give us a raise. You know, we have a call right away. We don't like to keep the callers waiting around here. Hello, you're on the air. Hello, you're on there. Hello? Sir, you're going to have to think harder than that because I know Herb knows already. And I'm sure Howard does. Hold on, sir, we'll tell you. How about that molasses and feathers of the town post-mestress? You're tired and feathered? No, molasses and feathered. Sir, is that true? They really did that? Yeah. Why? Howard, what did they do that for? Because somebody was supposed to be going with somebody else, a good man going with somebody else. Women trouble again. Right. And I was the one that had to do the arrest. You got them on a 604. Way to go. Sir, you've got one more question. Go ahead. In the United States. And they were from Williston. We're going to go with the right brothers. You're going to be right with the right. You're not going to be wrong with the right. We did it again. Sir, thank you very much for your questions. They're terrific ones. And my friend, you also get a hat for that. How's that? Well, he enjoyed it, I think. We got another call or not? Okay, we're going to go line two. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah. That's correct. You're absolutely right. Right. Now, have you got one to stump these fellas with? No. You don't? They're too smart for me. Oh, come on. I can tell you they could be had. I'll start, Jeff. I'll help you. We got Howard Londerville here who made national headlines when President Bush came to town and the dog and the fire station and all that stuff. Now, would you be of the opinion that was the only time a luminary such as a president came to Williston? Or was there another president that may have visited the town of Williston? Well, he was a governor of the state, that's for sure. But I'm talking about in the mid-1800s, a president visited Williston. Were you aware of that, Howard? No, but... No, I'm serious. Another president came to the town of Williston. It could have been Taft. No, it wasn't Taft that I'm aware of. I'm talking way back now. I said to the mid-1800s, I'm talking probably early-1800s. Right? Way back. Wasn't Harold... Also, a general came to Williston. This is going back. I'm talking now in the... Well, 1817 was when the president came, so you can figure that out. Collar, would you know who was president in 1817? I guess he may have hung up. Okay, we're going to go line one. Hello, you're on the air. Come on, fellas. That was Frank Auling's place. Frank Auling had that place. Correct. No, no, hold on, sir. I have one. There's Auling Industries, right? Wasn't that out there? Right. I'd like to ask the caller, what specific product was Auling Industries most famous for producing? Cuphooks. Nope. What did it? Yes, hooks. That's... Come on, now, Harold. We've got to give that to you. How's it, Harold? I thought you may have heard of him. He's halfway there. It was a specific type of finished product. There's hooks. They used to put on cards of some sort. Not on cards. For now, but cuphooks? There are cuphooks. You're absolutely right. My friend, you get a bottle of banal. You get a fishing lure. And how about another hat? How's that? That's good. Make it look good in Williston. I'll tell you that. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Thanks for calling. All right. See, the phone calls are coming in. Have we got another one? I don't know. Here you go. I missed it. That was a farm there at one time. We'll just settle in on the time frame here, fellas. 1930s. Who was running the farm? Before the Johnson. No, before the... We'll think of that. Howard's thinking... I didn't think you might get the girl's name. Well, have you got them in mind, Howard? I don't mind that. Well, you got them. You got them, my friend. I did. Yeah? Who is it? You want me to tell him? Yes, sir. Email and... I did. How about the second half of it? Anything else? That was it. That was the whole thing. That was good for a hat, but... Who followed that couple as a... I ran the farm. I'd like to be one-upmanship here. I just know that because of that. All right, listen. You tell the folks at ETV that we're trying to do as good a job as they did with all that foundation money behind it. How's that? All right. Thanks a lot for calling. Okay. Bye-bye. Okay. We got another one. Yeah, we're going. Hi, you're on the air. The chump is right here. Hey, I heard you chump. Yes, go ahead. Williston. This sounds like a real good question. Here's a wise kid. Think about the way it sounds. Oh, it should be well-wined. We know that. All right. They'll watch from all over this county. You know, they'll start flipping the dial. And by the way, you folks that are going to start to tune into the news, forget about it. My seal is... You don't need them. Hey, we can tell you the troops landed safely in Somalia. That's all set for the news. Yeah. The weather? Cold, folks. And they're gonna live all. The eclipse has started. Full lunar eclipse this evening. And sports. And I know you're going to be upset, Howard. After all their trades, those red socks are still out. And you want to talk with Howard about sports? This gentleman went down to the fantasy camp last winter. Not me. No, no. Herb did. And hit 59. Well, in fact, I want you to divulge to the viewers here, Herb. How did you do down there? Went 4 for 11. 4 for 11. That's good hitting anybody's league. And you hit off the likes of what pitchers? Well, Bob Stanley, that's enough. Bigfoot, indeed. Just two years out of the Bigs himself. Right. And you were there standing against that mighty fastball, showing no fear at all. No. No wonder you came on this show. Big shell shock like that. You could put up with anything. Yeah, right. I'm going to line two. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah. What are you going to ask him? Good question. He'll tell you. Hold on. Well, Wilson used to... A lot of people don't know this. He used to be Burlington. And followed by the name of Willis. It's the one that founded Wilson. And somehow they swapped. I don't know how, why they did, but they did swap. They named Burlington and Wilson took Wilson. That's how it got its name. Howard, in a minute, you told them all of the more than they could get for that half hour thing on ETV. Absolutely. Yes, sir. What a lesson for those kids out there. I hope every school teacher in the state gets wind of this program and can use this as a teaching aid. It's gained a lot. Yes, sir. Hi, you're on the air. You hold on, sir. We'll tell you. Jack Bradish. What was it? Jack Bradish ran that one. Yep. Jack Bradish. Jack Bradish? No. The top kid. Never... Never knew one up there. Up on the hill. There was more than one post office running at the same time in the town? We'll ask him where it was. This was way back. Way back? Well, hey, we're not going to argue with you. If you say that that... Hey, the mail must go through. That's all I know. That's good for a hat, my friend. You got anything else to stump them? Because I got one for you. Well, we've got... Yeah, we've got one here. We need an answer to. We'll give it to you. We know that one. I know that one. Howard, go ahead. It was Blair. Now, what was it? It got burned in 1949. And he was stuck in the well. He was stabbed 17 times and then shot in the head. Man. Were you involved in any of the investigations? I was the first officer on the scene. You were there. Howard, you're the first everywhere. We're going to have to talk about the trainwreck. Who was the first one at the trainwreck that you found in Williston there? Boom. Howard was there. What was invited by the... It was there, too. My friend, I have a question for you. I know, but I want to know from this gentleman who was Torga Tockel. Torga Tockel. I'm talking back in the 1960s. And I want to know the people that followed this fellow used to meet for a specific reason. Will it help if I tell you where they met? Are you from Williston and that era? Yes. Well... Can I have the name Torga Tockel? Well, maybe one of our other listeners and viewers will be able to answer that one. That's an interesting question. How about... Will he know the historical question? I'll ask him. Who donated the land for the Chittenden Monument that's in the West Cemetery of Williston Village? That's a historical question going way back. Who donated the land? That would be a good answer for Wadooski. I would have said Villamere. Wadooski, you know. Pretty good, you're going to get it. In this town, you've got to say Chittenden what else can you say for a popular name? They're running on the bottom of the screen once in a while, they'll see them. Sir, we appreciate your call. Okay, thanks. All right. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. Yes. Good to meet you. This is Barbara Dunley, and I lived in Wilson for a long time. Okay, Barbara. What I want to ask them, the post office is to be... To be a warrant. To be a warrant. To be a warrant. See? You've got to get up early to stop these guys, man. No. I'm going to ask where we placed our technical crew there. Don't be upset, folks. Hey, this isn't Slickville, but we do give you the information. I'm going to go to line one. Is that going to be all right? Hello, you're on the air. Okay, I got a question for you. Yes. Yes, sir, I know that one. You know that one? Yep. What was it? What was the name of the place? It was Hartz Barn. That's it. Now, hold on, sir. Okay. Got a question. Who is a fellow that ended up at Hartz Barn dances at Hartz Barn? And what was one of the very popular groups that played at Hartz Barn? I'll give you a clue. What? You won't have to go far to find the guy. He's right there. Can you magazine that? I can. Yes, sir. Where was that? Right, wrong. And Mr. Wright owned it. Mr. Wright owned it. Cross the railroad track on the north side of the railroad track north ocean. That's it. There you go. There you go. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Yeah. By the way, anybody know who the played out there at Hartz Barn dances? We want to hear barn dance stories. I bet you there are tons of them. The fights and the goings on. Hello, you're on the air. Hi, you're on the air. I thought you were. What? Oh, I missed it. I missed it up that time. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah, I got a question. This fellow, you were one of them, too, weren't you? Yes, I was. Boy, this guy came from western Williston. I can tell that. You got it. Where was that store? Was that Romeo Hools? You got it. No, you got it. I've got a question for you, sir. OK. Way back now. This is an historical situation. It's true. Do you know who the only people were that could buy liquor in the town of Williston? Well, the answer is this is the truth. You could only buy liquor if you had a prescription from the doctor. Really? Yes, sir. I was not aware of that. See what you learned? No. You got a hat. So keep this under your hat. How's that? OK. Thanks for calling. Yeah. Yes, sir. Hi, you're on the air. What's up, school again? Buddy Brooks. OK. OK. Hobart Ivy. Hobart Ivy and Ward Johnson. J. Ward Johnson is a name I have for one of them. And Hobart Ivy. Hobart Ivy. Who's the other one? Howard. Hobart Ivy? No. There's another one? One more man. But we got two of three. Is there another bus driver? Yeah. The other one was when they built the new central school. And I based one. Who's the other one? Yeah. You got them. OK. You got them. You know what that means, my friend? I think you're going to get a hat and some banal. I'm telling you one thing. This will keep the cows warm at night. All right? Thank you. Ooh. I don't know if we got another one here. Hi, you're on the air. Here. Why is it called Shun Pike Road? I know this one. In fact, this was on an earlier edition of the show. Oh, it was? I believe so. Go ahead. South Burlington. Not for Williston. But go ahead. OK. Maybe my interview. I lived there, but I don't know. Well, the information I had was that in the old days, there was a toll. There was a toll road. This was a stage road, and it was a toll to go over. And people then started to divert their direction and evaded the toll booth. Oh, I see. Before they were shutting the toll. Is that correct? I know you know it. I lived there, and I didn't know it. Don't worry. They both know a heck of a lot more than I do. I just got lucky. And I didn't ask you to call with that one either. You know what you got, my friend? You got some lemon drops. Anyway, I got to be careful because they fall all over the place. OK. Thank you. Thanks for calling. All right. You know, we got more calls than our people in Williston from now on. That's great. That's great. And you guys were worried. You were worried to be truthful with you. Now, we've got some more questions we can throw out. Frankly, I was looking for the name of that band, the most popular band out there at the Square Dance. We haven't got a call yet, Moritz? Not yet. We will. Don't worry. We want to know who took the tickets, who paid the bands, who took care of the details out there at Hart's Barn. We'll question you more on the Barn situation. Hello. You're on the air. Oh, there's a little plug for somebody there. This is for you. Number one, I went 4-for-11 at the Fantasy Camp. That's pretty good. Who, there were other Vermonters there. Who from this area accompanied you down there? There was one from Essex, one from Jericho, two from Heinsberg. You even got a baseball card with your picture and statistics on the back there, too. Sure have. And what Red Sox players were involved with that? Well, there was so many of them I can't even begin. I've got pictures of them at home. I can tell you who they are. Well, speaking of pictures, the other part of his question, who started Sam's liquidation? Who's the owner? I don't know, but he wants a free plug. Who gave it to him? John. These are Taft fimes. It's where the Tafts fimes work. And John, he got a plug anyway. John and Bob, there was two of the two owners. Herb, why don't you bring the picture into the set here and ask questions about it. You lugged it in here. You go away without asking a question. And take a look at that, folks. Is that place familiar? Does this ring a familiar bell with anybody in the Williston area? Where is this picture taken? What is this particular location in Williston? Give us a ring here, 862-3966. Don't forget, we still have the Vermont teddy bear to give to the person who we judged to have the best question that you can stuff the chunks with. So let's carefully put that one back, and we'll go to line one. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, I would like to know if you could remember who was one of the neighbors at that time. Good question, ma'am. Hold on, because here's something. She wants to know one of the famous teachers at the school that went one to eight. Good, we want to hear about that. And I want to tell for the people who recently come into the state, we call them suntanners or whatever, a lot of these people have trouble remembering all the teachers because they've transferred schools so many times. But I will venture to say, ma'am, that people of your generation, I know of mine, if they stayed in one school, can remember every teacher they ever had. They leave such a strong embedded memory with you. Was that Virginia soldiers? No. Well, there's some other teachers in that system that may have influenced us. Yeah, but what year is she talking about? Give us a year, ma'am. I would... Okay, this, of course, was for your granddaughter, right? The only one that I can remember is Marion Higley. Oh, God, Howard, you're too smart. Way to go, Howard, you got her. She thought for sure you were going to start. And Mrs. Sullivan was another one I had, didn't she? She was Mrs. Dot Bing's wife. Mrs. Higley, by the way, was... Higley was, yep. Now she's told her age. That was a good try, man. Thank you. And call back if you've got another one for him, all right? I think I might. Thank you. All right. Bye-bye. See, I don't want him to hear. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, I have a question and an answer. Go ahead. Yes? That was the... Good try, though. AFC East is headed by Buffalo. Wrong. What the heck? You know, I'm sorry. Auditorium. Hey, I'm answering the phone like I'm at work. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, I'd like to ask... Yeah, Warner Phelps. That's where Warner Phelps' house is. Yep. There. Anything else, my friend? No, that's it. All right. Thank you for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Don't let us down here. This is a southern and western part of Williston guy. This is a guy that got the beer from that store in the 50s. I can remember. Yeah, it's the same guy. At least he went to the library. Any idea? Where was the library? She lived in Richmond or Jonesville. Tell them any name that comes into mind. I will try it. Oh, I know who it is. I know you do. I know. This is Peacham. Right. He moved out. You got a half of me already, didn't you? No. You got one now. Thanks for calling. He moved out of the state. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, just giving the answer on the farm. Is that the Fontaine farm in Williston? No, it wasn't. Oh, good guess, my friend. Okay. Thanks for calling. Good night. Goodbye. Well, that's kind of guessing. They think they know, but you are sneaky on that herb. Hi, you're on the air. Yes. What do you think? His own. Yes. Is it? That's what I would guess. It is. We think a lot of same channels. It's channel 17, we're thinking. We got it. You know what we get for that? We got to get rid of it. This is a beautiful thing. Understanding urinary incontinence. There's a tape. I've not opened up for that yet. But that was a good answer, my friend. How about something that can stump either of these gentlemen? Any question at all? Six schools. Or with or more? Six or seven? Well, that's tough enough to name six schools and where they were in Williston. Can you do that, Phyllis? I can name some. Go ahead, Harry. One was in Norfolkson School. One was at Lampson School. One was at Stokebite Corner School. One was at the village. One at Oak Hill School. West Oak Hill. One at Muddy Brook. Muddy Brook. And one we would be talking about down there, Sucker Hollow. And these fellas probably got thrown out of all of them for crying out loud. How's that? That's pretty good, huh? Where's Sucker Hollow? That's a good question. That's off in Route 2A. That is 2A South. That's a lot of schools. There's one more school I forgot. There used to be one next to where I live on Old Stage Road. They were actually with the school that one time. How'd they do, my friend? Pretty good? Pretty good. All right. If it wasn't Lunderville, I don't know where it would be. He's everywhere, that guy. Were you there? Were you the first one there? No, I wasn't. I'll be telling you. There wasn't a fire department there. I asked the Johnson Fire Department, actually, but the first one Richmond came in to help. It probably wasn't. I wouldn't bet against it. I wasn't in the fire department. We didn't have a fire department there. Let me ask you, Collier, how does Howard do as the chief of the volunteer fire department at Williston? He had that honor of receiving the dog from President Bush. Would you happen to know who the other president was that visited Williston or who the famous general was? Those are historical questions. I better answer that one. People will be wondering. In 1817, James Monroe came to the town of Williston. And in 1825, General Lafayette made an appearance in Williston. In fact, there's a story in one of the old history books that, coming running out of the Eagle Hall, I guess it was a tavern, the Eagle Hall Tavern, the manager said, get out of here. He says, get out of the way here. Here comes the general. And the fellow said, sir, I am the general. He was right over. So where did Lafayette sleep? Some other town. Some inn there. What was an inn in Williston? There was one at Morrill's house, and there was one at the domain place right across from Tom and Tim's there. There was one there. How about that? Would it be one of those places, my friend? Well, we don't know. Well, that's a good guess. My friend, thank you very much for calling. All right. Hi, you're on the air. Hi, I'm the farm pitcher. Yes. It's Herbie Goodrich's farm. He used to be the heart-burned dance. Heart-burned dancers. Who used to perform at the heart-burned dances? Right over. He was a caller. He was a caller? What band? Did you hear that bit on the tape there when it said there was an open-air movie theater in Williston? Where was that exactly, fellas? Nobody's called in? Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. Were you ever aware of that? Did you ever hear about that, caller? No, I did. An open-air theater just operated during the summer. You better tell them, Howard. I put down back where the Catholic church is now by Ellen Brooke. It was an open-air theater, and they used to perform there quite often. Not that I ever saw it, but way back. But way back, like in the 20s and the teens and the 20s. Yeah, the teens, yeah. That's really something. Before they had the drive-in movies with the cars, an open-air theater in Count Willis, there's something. My friend, thank you for calling. We appreciate it. Hey. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, I got a question for Herbie. Right. I'd like to know what type of blowtorch was used to cut his hair, and how much you paid for it. Well, he's referring to it. Did you see the before and the after? Wasn't that something yesterday? My goodness. It looked like my thing. They looked like it had to be sculptured. But my good friend, Walter Wood, that metropolitan hair took care of things. He's an excellent hairdresser, and I recommend him highly. Really? Did Howard have to sit on Herbie to hold him down? Well, you really know how to hurt a guy, don't you? Have you got a question that can stump these fellas? The Old Catholic Church. What was that before it was the church? Horse bar. A horse bar. How's that? Oh, they stumped me. Now, wait a minute. I also want to know, there are a lot of churches in Williston. And way back, there was a spiritualist movement. Now, do you know anything about that? Any of you, my caller or my panel? What about the spiritualists? Did they have conventions and seances and stuff? I know they did in the Burlington area, down in the Queen City Park area of town. Not to my knowledge. Well, there was a spiritualist society. Well, there may be, but there was. Way back. Nothing I heard of. Let's see. I have another question. In 1859, there was a very unusual clock that was built by a gentleman in Williston. I want to know who built that clock and what made it so unusual. Did you ever hear that story? No, never did. All right. Maybe somebody, I'll let that hang for a little while and then we'll give out the answer, because we want to beat ETV at their very game. They think they can give all the smart answer stuff to these, you know, sticky questions. No, sir. We've got information they've never even heard of. We thank you for calling, sir. Thank you. You know the voices now. Hi, you're on the air. Could you turn down the sound on your TV a little bit? There. Now, did you get his question, sir? Not all of it, no. Sounds like it's your father. It's a relative of yours, isn't it? Yeah. Give a name. Who was one of your neighbors? You had to round up the... There was only one neighbor in there and an old yellow cop there. Now, it's before Fonda. Before Fonda. What years are we talking? His wife's name was Leslie. Oh. The wife's name was Leslie, is that... Incorrect. See, what was his name? You know? I cannot think of his name. I just met him about three days ago again. I hadn't seen him for quite a while. What was the last name, sir? Benoic. Benoic. Okay. All right. You know what you got? Stump the chump hat. There you go. Thanks a lot. All right. Anybody who wins a prize here, our studio is located on the corner of Archibald and North Winooski Avenue, right? Above Noonies on the corner there. So come on in and pick up your hats. Wouldn't it be nice if you could have a parade of everybody that won a hat in Willis D. Next Fourth of July. Right with a... Probably stating I participated in Stump the Chumps. I don't know why, but you know. Hi, you're on the air. Well, thank you, man. Yes, boy. I would like to know. That's one of them. Wow. The bicentennial tug of war winner. You know what that sounds to me like? Somebody is vying for this little baby right here. That's a good question. I was on that team. Well, not such a good question. Go fair. Was Herb on that team? Yes, he was. Did you have a name on that team? And can you remember who participated with you? Well, there was Phyllis Gentis. Is that right, man? Yes. Roderick Boutin. Yes. Bob Stratton. I think Jack Mahan was on that team. He was the end man. Yeah, he was the end man. He was a good man for that. Were you a referee in that? No. In every event? I was doing a police work. Was he a pretty good man? Did he miss a couple or what? Yeah, he missed. Oh, I see. The prize was some alcoholic beverages? Absurd. Well, I'm asking him. What was the prize? Prize was if you got pulled across the line, you got the fire hose. Yeah. But what were the winning team's prizes? That went to Vylus Gentis. And I don't know what I ever did because of that. Maybe it's still in the bottle. It's probably still in the bottle. It's a good thing. You never could get them all together. I understand it too. That stuff makes banal glitzy and calm. I was drinking all the time in the bottle. Ma'am, are you having fun with us tonight? Sure, I do. Is she into them bottles? She does. Well, we appreciate your calling. And jugs of rum. Did she get one of them? Did you get one of them also, ma'am? Oh, my God. I'd say this is a good evening on the lunar eclipse night and live a little bit. I think her nose is speaking. After a couple of swallows and that stuff, you'll see the moon even though it's not there. Right. Wait. That's the second jug. All right. Thank you, Rambo. Thank you for calling me. All right. Well, for the first time, our lines are open, folks. I want you to try to stump Howard and Herb. It won't be that easy because they know their stuff. I'm still looking for them. I want to know the band. I've never seen the little ads in the free press of a band that was most often at hearts buying dances on Saturday night. He died just a few years ago. Yeah. And why did you tell a story, Howard? No, no, it was Herb. You got a call from the neighbors across the road when you decided that was it for the buying dances. No. What was it from? Carmelite nuns. Carmelite nuns. What'd they have to say? Well, they wanted to thank me for stopping the dances because there was too many of these young girls that had gone wrong down there. Shut up. Boy, oh boy. That was bad. Hi, you're on the O. I got the wrong one, but go ahead. You're on. Hello. Good role? Yeah. Was the band that played? That's not the one I'm thinking of. No. No? Boy. I think you're thinking a goody-good role. Goody-good role, yeah. No, he wouldn't be at these buying dances. No. Okay. Well, how about another one to stop the panel? Got a question for him? Did they ever solve the first one about where the... Nobody's answering. Nobody answered the answer. Go ahead with it. I think that was the old grocery store there. Not a grocery. These were public buildings, right? Yeah, right. How about that bridge there? You know any stories about that bridge? I just remembered that there was a grocery store. That was wood at the grocery store, wasn't it, Howard? No, that was the one that built it was Evelyn Parker and her husband. Yeah, okay. Ralph Seigels. Ralph Seigels and his wife. They built that and started it. Sir, do you remember the grocery store that we showed in the film? Herb indicates to me that there were six other owners of that particular grocery store. Can you name them? Yeah. Well, you think about it and give us a call back, all right? Then there was a shell station that was in there somewhere. Yeah, that's right. Philadelphia. Who owned that one? I came from Massachusetts. He moved up to Vermont here. And then at that transmission took it over. I think he's out of there now. I don't know who's in there now. There isn't any there now. Sir, I don't know if anybody really answered that. Alling Industries. What did they make? What was their product? Well, they made screws. Little screws. All kinds of screws. Right, but one particular type for one particular reason. One purpose. I remember this thing. They made it. Oh. Still in almost every house in the United States probably. Still. Pardon? For picture frames. Well, that might be, but that's not the item I'm thinking of. They're not. Okay, well, over. They made coasters too, I think, yeah? Yeah. All right, sir. Well, thank you for calling. We appreciate it. Hi. You're on the air. Did you get the answer? No, sir. We did not. Ski racer and ski jumper. From? Here's from Norway. He was the Norwegian skiing gold medalist. That's right. And where did his followers meet on a weekly basis? Do you know? This is from 1962 until 1970. I go watch them jump on them. Isn't that something? A gold medalist right there in Williston. See? Channel 33, you never do that. And my understanding is that he met with his followers on the Tuddhills property on a weekly basis, and that evolved into the Bill Koch Youth Ski Program. Yeah, there was a Toro Dakle ski program. Okay. I got another question for you. I don't know how you'll be able to answer this. This goes back a long time. This gentleman was the first one to use a specific process in wire, in the wire industry. And it was called cast and placed construction. He was the only one to use this. He was the first one in North and Central America. He was from Williston. And this process was used to build two specific sites. One in the United States and one in Central America. I mean, this is something to claim to fame, fellas, for Williston. Would you know who the gentleman was and what bridge? Well, not a bad guess. It was actually used in cable cars in San Francisco. And it was used in building of the Panama Canal. And the gentleman's name was Henry Root. So you people in Williston have a lot to be proud of. This is a gentleman of great influence and was the first to do this. There. All right, sir, thank you very much for calling. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Hi, you're on the air. I'd like to submit an answer to the barn dance question. Yes, ma'am. It's at Donfields in this point, boys. Absolutely, right. You get banaled. You get lemon drops. You get a coaster. And you're in line for the teddy bear for all I know. I don't know. You can stump these guys. Go ahead. Shoot out on there. Oh, boy. For me. Well, no, no. Well, let me ask you. Did you, in fact, ever attend the barn dances? No. Really? Yes, I always wanted to do it. I just never got there. I'll be darned. I understand a lot of stories came out of those barn dances. A lot of stories. You really heard all that. You know, that place, the Carmelite Nuns place there. That was the monastery, whatever. That was surrounded by a big stone wall. How did the heck they ever know what was going on? It's out travel. We'll leave that one alone, ma'am. Thank you very much for calling it. We appreciate it. Okay. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Hi, you're on the air. No one's on this line. Oh, no one is there. Well, we're off at that. Okay, some more questions. Here's a good question. Go ahead. How many airplane crashes were there in Williston, and how many people died in those crashes? Excellent question. The airplane crashes in Williston, and how many people died? And who was the first person on the scene? Don't even try it. It was Howard. He was there again. Every accident, every occasion Howard is there. Have you ever beaten them to the scene of any particular? Never. Never. I wouldn't say. All right. Do I have one on line two? I'm going to try. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah. Who bought it? Who built it? Who built them, man? Yeah. Who built the houses? Dick Critchell's built them. Buttle Bryant. No, not on the Acres. We're going to go with Twichels. We need Acres. Twichels. Twichels. No. Oh, darn it. We lost. How could we not get... And on 90 Acres? Oh, 90, yeah. Who was it? Howard, you... I said Dick Critchell. He built quite a few over in there. No, we don't know. It was Frank Mercier. That's related to Dick Critchell, yeah? Howard, you're closer to it. Throw her out of hat. She certainly won it. Fair and square. Yeah. You did a good job, man. Thank you very much. All right. You did a good job. Thank you. You know, I'm waiting for the fellow. He calls us every month. He's a fellow in Essex. Well, we're waiting for him. He hasn't called yet? No, he hasn't. I know the voice. I would know. He's a prize winner of... Maybe he's on now. It could be. You never know. You never know of this fellow. Hi, you're on the air. Hello? Hello. Yes? Who picked up the man from the train and what north will listen and brought him to the village? Handsome guy on the end. Handsome man over there, Howard. The single man. I know one person that used to. I don't think he's the one. Ethan Porter used to do it. Ethan Porter. Whoa. He... He's not very smart, is he? No. He's smarter than me. I'll tell you that. So I'm going to leave that alone. Okay, throw out another name, Howard. It could be Clem Austin. Clem on. Wrong again. Wrong again. One more chance. Was that... That was a long time ago, I assume. What? Give us a year, man. 1940. 1940. Right at the beginning of the war. No, the only... The other one is it would be possibly Guy Lampson. Guy Lampson. No, sir. Hold for three. We struck out... Would it have been Bob Albert? Could be Bob Albert. Nope. Give it... We give up, man. Who was it? Tim O'Brien. Tim O'Brien. You agree with her? No. I never knew they did, but she said to this, they're going to be all right. She gets a hat, Howard. Can't argue with her. Don't forget. The best question tonight gets to Vermont. Teddy Bear. That was a good question. Thank you very much, man. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, for Howard. Okay. The answer is simply in crashes. Yes. One over here was now Moore's lumber. Yeah. One down on the corner. That's two of them. There's two of them. Okay, yeah. You'll know this when I know you do. Who's landed that one crash on. I bet you're Robert. That's you're correct. He usually is. Yeah, okay. Where's the rest of them? Where's the rest of them? Hold on, we want to know some more. Oh, there's other two, I. We got two. How many is a total number? Yeah, there were four. There were four. Now, where'd the other two come? Were they numbers one and four? Or where'd they come in the order that he didn't get? That would be the last two I think. That would be number two he hasn't yet. He hasn't had the number, the last one he hasn't. Number four he hasn't. Okay, so we were looking for the second one and the fourth one. And we'll give us a number, my friend. How many do you think were killed in those crashes? Are you right, Howard? No. But good guess, my friend. Okay, thank you. Thank you for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah. That's the one by Moore. That's one of them. That's one of them? That's one of them. But that's not, that's one that he already named. Oh, they already named that one. We're looking for the second one and the fourth one. Nope, don't. Can't help you out there. Well, thanks for calling. Yeah, bye. Bye. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. Unloaded the... They read mail from the depot in North Wollaston. Oh, you're right. You're quite right. Absolutely right, man. Cup hooks. That's right. Everybody's strong. That's right, that's right. All right. I used to finish this round. Good question, man. Okay. Good one. Thanks for calling. Throw her a hat. I like that question. What would have none of his beds made out of? They're not strong, right? Boy, I got to keep that one in mind for the... I used to take the straw to them. You used to bring the straw to them? No. Howard had to be involved somewhere. He's always involved in every story that happens. You couldn't get in there. No. They had a fire up there. You were there then. You son of a gunner. You're everywhere. Hi, you're on the air. Yes, on the plane crashes. There's one by Moore Slumber's Commerce Street. There's a helicopter. Helicopter. And that didn't crash. They just landed. I want to know... My friend, you are in line for a top prize here. I want to know how many were killed in all the crashes combined. All the crashes? Four. Absolutely right. Absolutely right. You get banal. I'll reach the banal. Howard, you have to throw on my hat. Okay. This stuff, my friend, if they use this instead of the oil in those helicopters, they'd never go down. Helicopters would be faster than a spaceship. This stuff is all-purpose lotion. Use it for whatever ails you. Give it to Kirby. Give it to Kirby. All right. Thank you very much for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Hello. This is my mother from Burlington that's asking about the slaughterhouse in Williston. Which one? Well, see, there's more than one. Name...let's see if you can name the owners of the slaughterhouses in Williston. Who are they? Solomon. That's the guy from Richmond that owned that one. Solomon. And who else? Sennis. Sennis. All right. So that answers the question. All right? Okay. Thanks. Hi, you're on the air. I'd like to know if they can tell me when the wooden bridge, the wooden covered bridge, went out in North Williston and when the metal bridge was built? They'll tell you. I think it was 1927 or 1927 with a flood. Well, the wooden one went out. 1927, man, that sound right? No, it's incorrect. 1923, the wooden bridge went out. Yeah. The metal bridge was built in 1925. See? It did go through the flood. See the things we learn here? Now, ma'am, I have one for you. Uh-oh. This is just a simple true or false. The North Williston bridge was built because the covered bridge was washed out in the flood of 27. That's incorrect. You're right. And what caused that bridge to go down? It was a stump. Appropriately from stump to chumps, a stump caused a jam of the ice and everything. Ice jam, though, right? That's true. Yeah. It was in 1922. All right? And it washed downstream and it became part of whose barn? You know that? No, I don't. Anybody? You tell us now what barn that washed down to. The Redmond. Oh, yeah. The Redmond barn, I guess. Isn't that something? 1922. Ma'am, that's a great question, though. We appreciate your calling. How about a hat for her? We're going to have a parade of people, a Fourth of July. Everybody that won a hat here, we're going to wear them proudly. Thanks for calling, ma'am. Hi. You're on the air. Hi. In 1942. Well, aircraft, you're talking in Burlington now, but go ahead. Tell us. There's a helicopter. There's one thing. They were related to the war effort of building airplanes, helicopters. No, they did that in Buffalo. Well, darn it, I don't know. What did they do specifically here at Bel Air? Gun carts. Oh, you're right. I should have known that. Gun carts. You're right. I didn't live in Burlington, so I didn't know. And they probably had to bring them out to Williston to guide them. How are you going to do that? I'm going to probably, that's what I do with the shipment of all the flights over there to Williston. Thank you for calling, your friend. Thank you. All right. I don't know if we've got one here. Nope, not this time. fellas, how about some more questions? Here's one. Where are the three blacksmith shops in the town of Williston? There was three of them. Three blacksmith shops, folks. If somebody can get that, I think they might get the teddy bear if they don't wear them. Is that a hard one, would you say, or pretty hard? Well, I would say probably it was pretty hard. You've got a difficult one to throw out there? Yeah, well, you know where Friendly's is? Yes. What used to be there? What used to be where Friendly's is? Let's see. Did we tell them who drove the most people to and from Williston Central School? We answered that one? Yeah. That was J. Ward Johnson. We got the skier. A very simple one, folks. Where is Depot Hill and why did it get the name Depot Hill? And thinking of names, we got Stove Pipe, right? Stove Pipe was mentioned. Why that name Stove Pipe ever come up? These fellas were unaware of that a little bit some of the history of all that. But we want to know what Stove Pipe corners and what that was named for, all right? Any other questions you might have, folks? Come on, join us here. We still have a few minutes. We still haven't got the name of the owners of Tom and Kim's store. That's right. You said there were six owners of that store. Six owners. Come on, folks. Yeah, we got some more. The teddy bear is sitting there. We got some more hats. Oh yeah, we got plenty of hats. We got some more good stuff there, too. Boy, you'd be hard. They don't get prizes like this. Now I get it. That's right. We haven't got the one who was murdered and got hung either. That's right. We've got to know that. Oh, yeah. A lot of questions out there, folks. We want to be able to tell the school children this is a program where you'll learn your history. And the two creameries. Two creameries. It was in Walliston. There we go. We got one. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. I want to ask Kirby who drove the bus to deliver the kids at the old Red School house down here? Just up from a Brian's store. That had to be a private car, and I'm not sure who drove that. It was an old panel truck. Panel truck? Yeah. That's older than I am. Yeah. We don't know. You stumped us, man. I think it was Mr. Gover. Could be that. Could be Gover. Throw her a hat. OK. Wear it proudly, man. Don't get it dirty. Keep it clean. That hat needs to be kept clean. OK, boy. Thanks for calling. Hi, you're on the air. Hi. Yes. Back in 1949, her was in a show. What was the name of the show? It was a minstrel show. You're right. It was a couple of people over there. Ray Fontaine? Uh-huh. Your father was there. My father was in it. Mm-hmm. I was in it. You were in it. Did it have a title to the show? No, it was a minstrel show that we wanted to know. Where was it held? It was in the Grange Hall, which now is a town hall. They're right. Was Howard taking tickets? He used them everywhere. I was there. I was too young to remember. And we played one night over at St. Michael's College. Yes, we did. I was in it, too. There was a La France. It was in it. Uh-huh. Harvey Lamere? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mike Posey. Right. Was the head one of it, I think. Yeah. Started it. Yep. Ma'am, how about those hearts-bind dances? Were you ever there? I sure was. I want to hear some stories. You wouldn't want to hear them. Well, this is a family show, ma'am. It's a lot of fun. Family show. You're right. But there was never any fighting going on. Not allowed, right? No fighting, no drinking. No drinking. No drinking. No drinking. We took the ticket. Yeah. He did. He paid off the bans. He did everything. He had charges of police and everything. He had charges of everything. Right, he was. Who took care of the concession stand? Oh, God. That's a good question. That's a good one. You better tell her. Katie Hart. Yep. Okay. All right. Thanks for calling, ma'am. All right. She got a hat? She's all right. There. Keep it clean. Uh-oh. I said I would never do it. And I press conference. Unpress it. Unpress it. How do you unpress it and go there? Hi, you're on the air. Yeah, I think Herbst was asked about what used to be where Friendly is at. Wasn't there a creamy stand there? No. Where was the creamy stand? Down by her morses. Oh, yeah. That's right to her. Who owned it? Probably Herb. Tatrol. Okay. Tatrol's creamy stand. Yeah, Mr. Tatrol. All right. Yeah. Well, you guys are sharp. Okay. You're a long night if I weren't here. Just alone, man. Hi, you're on the air. No. We'll go to one. Hi, you're on the air. Hi, you're on the air. Oops. We're on. I'm sorry. You'll have to call back. Inefficient as I am. I'll wheel will never let me hear the end of it. He doesn't let me get near the phone. He says I mess it up all the time. He's right. Hi, you're on the air. Yeah. Who drove the bus to North Wilson School? I think it was down View Road. That's 12. Down View Road, it was a driver. What year are we talking? 45. Oh, by me. Yeah. I'd have to be home. Oh, by me. No, no. Gladys Larrell. Yeah. Gladys Larrell, see? Now, these guys would be good at any quiz show on NBC or ABC. You know that? Right. Now, I want you to tell all your friends that you saw a terrific show on Channel 17. And we need their support and keep listening. The heck with the news, you know? The heck with the sports, the Red Sox are lousy, the Yankees are lousy, and it's cold out there. That's all you have to know about the weather and news. Thanks for calling me, Fred. Hi, you're on the air. Now, don't cut me off. Oh, I wouldn't dare. I wouldn't dare. I worked with you at Hudson. There was Gene Hansen and Preston Charlam. What about Jim O'Brien? Jim O'Brien didn't work. Not Jim. Oh, Jim O'Brien worked. Jim O'Brien. A short time he did, yes. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah, and Howard's father. Yeah. Your guys are doing good. Thank you. Thank you for calling me. It's only because the questioners, and they're good out there. Yeah. I want you to know some voices. Oh, I recognize your question. Over the next few days, you'll be hearing from them too, you know? And they'll be, and take note, if we never do another show here, we'll have a new set of questions because they'll have a lot that they can stump you with. And they'll say, ah, we didn't want to call up and all that stuff. But we'll go to the line. Hi, you're on the air. Oh. Yes. How you doing? Multibetting. You got two good members there. Oh, they know their stuff. They're sharp. Yeah, they're a two good Lions member. Yes, sir. Lions club member. That's right. Two guys came down in a plane. Cornfield. What was the year? Oh, God. Now this is. Now was this planned? 20, 20, 25 years, 20 years ago. Now, are we talking this was an accident or did they do this on purpose or what? Oh, no. They just, the thing caught on fire. And they, rather than land them to the airport, they weren't ready. You must have been the first one on the scene. The only one that I know of. It had to be by Moors. By Moors? By Moors. And there were two National Guard people. Yeah, right. Okay. We got it. Who was the two guys? I don't, I can't recall the names, but I know there were two National Guard people. Right. And the reason they did what they did, if they didn't, they landed in Lamplight Acres. Oh, I see. And they didn't want to go into a development. So they hit the open field. That's right. Oh, good. That was an F-89 Scorpion. Yeah. I think that's what it was. You're pretty good, aren't you? I'm talking to her. Yeah. Your name was? Go ahead. Who was it? Followed by my name, Aldrich. This is the only show in the world where those names are brought up and reminisced about to do with Williston, though. Thank you very much for calling. Can I put a plug in where it sounds some Christmas grease on that tap corner? I think Herb knows who he's talking to. Right away, my friend. Right away. Thank you. Yes, sir. The trees are available over there. Tap's corner for the lion's blood, right? Right. Pretty diet. Beautiful. Thank you. Thanks. Give my hat, too. Put that on top of the tree. Thank you, Mr. Londonville. Okay. Hi. You're on the air. Hello. Hello. Yes. Boy, there's an interesting one, my friend. There's a good one. The post office during the Civil War, and it was used to find out what information, sir, about the soldiers. Dear gentlemen, that's a real good question, my friend. What's the answer? Where was that post office? 864. No, I don't know. Where was it located? We don't know. I know where it was. But I never knew there was one there. I didn't know that, man. You know what? What do you think about that question, fellas? I think it's worth a bear. Yeah. There it is, my friend. That question warrants you the Vermont teddy bear. How's that? It's waning up here at Channel 17 with your name on it. The best question of the night. Hey, Braddish. Yep, Bradish. You got it, my friend. Mr. Bradish, with a Williston name like that, you're a sure winner. Thank you for participating with us. Yes, sir. Mr. Bradish was a winner tonight. They're clapping in there. All right. Hi, you're on the air. All right. I just wanted to... What were the names? It was Colonel Goyak. Goyak was one of them. We appreciate the information. Okay. Thank you. All right. We got to go off in 10 seconds. My thanks to my guests, both Herb Goodrich and Howard Lunderville, for their participation. And thank you, folks, for watching. And we'll see you next month for the next edition of Stump the Chumps.