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Okay well welcome everybody I'm excited to have everybody here today I'm gonna kick things off really quickly just by recognizing that this is a hyperledger call and so that we do we do follow the the antitrust policy and hyperledger code of conduct we have a special presentation today and I want to before I get into kind of introducing that the people who produce it presenting in the overall presentation I want to kind of take a moment to see there's any newcomers to the call today to introduce yourselves share a little bit about how you found out about the SIG and you're interested in it is there any are there any new newcomers to the call today yeah this is my first time I'm Dave Bigsby I work in British Columbia different part of the government then Kyle and Nancy work for what welcome Dave what part of that what part do you work with I work with the identity management group very interesting okay great anybody else you can just you can raise your hands or just here I'll introduce myself Pete Tygan I'm part of IBM's digital credentials team just I know there's a lot going on in BC so curious how this one's going thank you for joining me hello everyone I'll also jump in John Kirby here also from the IBM digital credentials team so excited to see what the BC in my team is going to share with us today welcome hi I'm Antje I'm from London I'm joining from the Royal College of Art I got interested in hyperledger fabric and found this group so I just want to know what's what's happening fantastic hi this is Callan I'm joining from trust over IP chair of the human experience working group and have been in the crowd for quite a while but awesome event thank you for setting it up yep thank you for joining clean hi this is Prasad here from IBM I'm joining as digital identity evangelist with an IBM and partly IBM you know contributed to some extent to this initiative so you know happy to be part of it joining this is Charles McPherson from BC government I worked directly with John Jordan with the digital identity interest program great you join Charles Carter hey everyone I'm Ricardo McCarty from Neotech Solutions I've been in the CIG meetings before but this is the first time you know I'm introducing myself at Neotech Solutions we design develop and deploy solutions on the blockchain so happy to introduce myself to you all and looking forward to the meeting absolutely thank you for joining Callan hey folks Callan here I'm one of the senior policy analysts on Nancy and Kyle's team really exciting to yes see the work get presented them looking forward to the show on everybody absolutely Eduardo hi can you hear me yes hi my name is Eduardo Rodriguez on the principle of Flaston capital markets we are a dealer and marketplace in Canada soon to have our license to do security tokens and we have developed a number of climate finance solutions that have a deep connection to the hyper ledger ecosystem and we're glad to be here so that we can learn and hopefully share some of our insights into these welcome Eduardo I'm looking for to learning more about your work thank you I guess see David and then Dwayne yeah this is David Sterling I'm also with the IBM digital credentials team so I'm joining my colleagues and hearing some of the work that we've been doing with DC as well thanks fantastic great Dwayne Gordon I'm with registries DC registries and online services working closely with Charles and John Jordan on mostly a workbook and other digital credential stuff Bob hi my name is Bob Halstime and a specialist in digital transformation I've been in the workplace space for five six years and mainly on the supply chain and related to supply chain finance and I've been in contact with Andrea for seeing for many times already in quite a while and also presenting sick related to trade finance fantastic welcome okay I think I don't see any more hands did I miss anybody okay great so I'm not going to give too long a long-winded introduction I think a lot of the people in this call understand kind of the presentation or like who's presenting today I think that so it's a really interesting combination between you know different stakeholders the ministry of energy mines and low-carbon innovation the British Colombian government collaborating with the open earth foundation which Martin Weinstein is a it's one of the original co-founders of this special interest group as well as their open climate network working together to pilot this idea of a digital trust network and so it's a really you know as we're kind of moving from kind of proof of concept and kind of ideation into kind of real level application I think this is a great example of that and so you know very interesting for for all of us to see so I'm going to go ahead I think that Martin were you going to were you going to kind of kick this off did you need to share your screen to to introduce the presentation yeah well yeah but I don't think I'm a coho let me see if I can share my screen now I can't yet I need to stop sharing mine try if you want to try it now um let's see yep got it should I kick off yes please great well hi everyone really uh exciting and nostalgic to be amazing to be back at the at the SIG again it was really a pleasure when the SIG was starting but even more to see it now having grown and and so much work that has been put in from David, Sherwood, Robin so great to see the the community expanding and for us this is an absolute pleasure to come share some of the things that we've been working on with BC which has been also a huge pleasure because I think quite a unique aspect to be able to collaborate um in in climate action and digital trust between the public sector and a whole set of actors that also interact in the climate space so I'll I'll give a high level introduction to the Open Climate Project which is our our primary effort around integrated climate accounting but then set the tone for the the focus work that we've done with with BC for Kyle then to to take it from there and Nancy as well and then I think we'll do questions at the end but feel free and if in the transition to shoot any thoughts I won't be looking at the chat but I'll pick up the questions after so normally I I start by by walking through the framework that we put together several years ago around the importance of bringing a lot of the data records around climate together if we focus on the right part of the diagram the the the green section in the bottom is the earth system and having data consensus in the state of the planet um uh when the context of climate accounting is key because all policies derive from a needed temperature goal and the state of co2 in the atmosphere the second layer is the compilation of all world actors and their registries from nations to subnational actors to non-state actors so all the information that they have needs to be sort of part of the same framework and then the third layer is the what we normally call mrv want to report a verification both of the emissions and the trust that those emissions happened the mitigations and the adaptation because essentially that turns the data of the actors into an asset and so the fourth layer violet is around climate markets now the asset doesn't necessarily mean that it's tradable because you can have verified digital assets of of acting as records of of actions but just stay in the registry of a subnational actor for example but of course this is particularly important when we look at the the more proper climate markets both mandatory and voluntary and the importance of everything that's been happening over the last couple of years and then tokenizing those assets but eventually the the last part is very critical to be able to have an integrated record keeping system or climate that everyone trusts is how to link financial capital that is that follows a lot of those records and the records that follow that financial capital what i mean is deploying billions and trillions of dollars into the climate space to be able to curb climate change requires that we know that that goes to projects that indeed have mitigation outcomes concrete mitigation outcomes that show up somewhere so be so when we set up to think about what would be a key part of a digital infrastructure to bring a lot of these keys together that leads us to identities identities of all the actors from like earth and the earth observation entities the nations and the sub nationals the iot devices that are involved in mrv and that led us to hyper ledger india as a key tool the second part and it relates more to the the relationship between projects private sector subnational jurisdictions where that be cities or provinces or states and the national actors is the importance of being able to have the visibility of all that data through a spatial lens and so what we were working on and now for for a couple years as well is how do we create a robust nested accounting mechanism where the projects but also the data from the projects can be geotagged and that the polygons that are encompassing the jurisdictions the political jurisdictions and then also non-political boundaries are used almost as the boundary of a registry and so by querying information in that space and that if the data is is properly tacked with the right protocols and it can surface up and and we can establish inventories at that spatial level so that's that's what we set out to do and we've been we've been working on that particularly is as it's relevant for any cross-border adjustment if you move mitigation outcomes or proven reductions or or embedded products that have embedded emissions across borders more and more we might see appetite for the entities that are involved in in in those jurisdictions to want to do what are called the corresponding adjustments additions or subtractions requirement and ultimately one of the things that we think is the an important application for this and we're working very hard on this at the moment is how can this be leveraged for the the global stock take of the Paris Agreement so the Paris Agreement has a stock take that happens every five years the first one will happen in 2023 and that from the official standpoint on the right is a relationship between countries and the UN essentially as an exercise it says what did you say you're going to do what did you do and where are you now and what are the gaps but of course we know that the climate space is way bigger than just countries in the UN and the Paris Agreement is something that we also want to align and we see companies aligning to the Paris Agreement and subnational actors okay aligned to the Paris Agreement but how how is that going to happen so we've been proposing to create an independent global stock take there is already an an organization or an initiative called independent global stock take but it doesn't have an embedded exercise so we're working with them to actually say how are we going to run this global sort of climate taxation event we we we need to bring in all the non-state climate actors the subnational cities and the voluntary climate data ecosystems and integrate them and we also set up a working group called Climate Action Data 2.0 you can see more in the wiki wiki.acclimated.network everyone's invited to join and it's been a lot of that work of thinking through 2030 when the Paris Agreement has a first you know for all of us a very important goal because we've got to have our our emissions by then can we imagine a global stock that happens in almost real time and that we have digital trust into those outcomes so with that let's dive into more what what is what what has to involve in in a project like BC with starting with mines and bringing in supply chains and productions and and what does what does robust climate data mean for all the different actors so in this diagram from the from the top we look at different mining corporations that are involving different supply chains their data coming from iot devices and and business records will fall into scope one two or three but we also embedded in in there the carbon sequestration units or renewable energy certificates this is also a blueprint of how we've tackled the the the open climate platform to be able to bring in emissions then mitigations to to sort out net zero calculations and this all leads to on on the bottom left what does this mean from an ESG standpoint to investors of corporations very important to also them to have trust in in ensuring that the companies are doing the right thing but also on the bottom right is what does that mean for regulators and end users and perhaps the ESG indexes and and and values and metrics are not as relevant for regulators and users and so a lot of that deals with bringing down carbon down to the product but also a full footprint of the of the company and now we with with the notion of identities that i mentioned briefly because i know the cause going to go a little bit deeper into it the role of verifiable credentials is really what for us awaken the importance of the trusted interactions between the different entities that are involved in the supply chain into these type of actors interacting with their climate data and of course the the the credentials around yes the state is in fact within this jurisdiction and being able to use a jurisdiction as a registry also requires these level of interactions so if we bring if we're familiar with the with the triad of verifiable credentials of issuers holders and verifiers a paper that we just published called nested climate accounting for atmospheric commons it's in in for printers and blockchain i can share the link to it after this this is a diagram for from that paper and it looks at how applying hyperledger's dids and verifiable credentials to this nested accounting architecture we see that if we go from the top from the top of that right around here a country could be an issuer to a city an auditor a verifier could verify information of that city which is relevant for for example what i showed around an independent global stock gate the city also is an issuer to for example companies that are operating within the city or sites of the company that are operating in the city and that that where it says city could also be a subnational actor so so we can replace city for a British Columbia there easily and that's at the nexus of where we're at in this pilot is British Columbia issuing a credit to a company different verifiers from accountants to climate accounting NGOs can also verify certain information from the company but going one notch forward the company can have iot devices that are deployed in their operations and their supply chains that can derive information of their climate impact and in some sense those are relevant for any form of mrv agent that will want to query and trust the iot data to verify for example that that company's scope one emissions is indeed what they say and that the subnational environment can also trust that so this is this is a schematic of how to apply for fiber credentials at these nested scales and on the right that relates more a lot from the mrv methodology of how these could be interacted between an actor a verifier an iot device and the self-reported data um so our work has been to digitize all of this and and and it's been a pleasure to work with bc because they are one of the core maintainers of hyper alleged areas so they're well ahead of the of the curve but also it's a very concrete use case that it's that is that intersection between public and private one of the primary motivations uh in the in leveraging verifiable credentials is there's zero knowledge proof capability so from a theoretical standpoint the the schematic we see that's that's key for climate data and it's been a fundamental issue in the space for quite a long time is that when that when a holder presents a proof to a verifier a verifier asks for a certain proofs to the holder a company might have data raw data sets that they might not want to fully disclose and it might not be that that source data is um essential for that uh certain proof it might be that the aggregate information of that data or some calculation that's derived from that data is more important but then if if if a company is presenting a data aggregate let's say a sum or uh or a derivative calculation uh how does the verifier actually trust it and so the zero knowledge proof functionality allows certain things uh for this to happen this has been a very sort of like wicked problem in the uh disc climate disclosure uh space for example a lot of companies disclose information to cdp formerly carbon disclosure project um and so cdp has a lot of the data but they can't disclose it because there's privacy concerns there so how do we circumvent this how do we leverage cryptography to be able to have trust on certain response without having that source data um now putting a lot of these things together and I know I've already covered a lot this is one of the early architecture diagrams that we did for for the project in BC but that really shows a blueprint of the of the POC so if we think again in terms of issuers of holders and verifiers of these credentials if we see different roles between users authorities projects concrete projects and digital assets BC digital trust uh can interface with a mining company let's say copper mountain which has a greenhouse gas profile which can be seen as a digital asset uh we see these encompassed in BC and side canada so these these boundaries are very very key for those spatial domains um and the the company has a mine site which also has a DHT profile of the site because obviously a company has many sites and their footprint is sort of the the the total of those um and there might be IT devices they are professional auditors that have to go in and verify things in the mine site and out of that in the in the mining process are commodities in the case in this case would be copper that also at the product level have a specific GHT profile and the role of auditors to verify the embedded carbon into that commodity is a key point of interest for this pilot because then that product can continue into other end products let's say the rest of the copper supply chain if it passes from hand to hand but it but it also then could be sold to another entity and that entity could be somewhere else in the world in Asia or it could be another region in Canada and so in that sale in that trade we might want to have clarity on the mechanism for establishing a cross border adjustment um and we see that and we work closely with the UNFCCC the you know climate change secretariat on the notion of consumption based accounting principles and that's very relevant for cities that might want to gauge their climate response more from like what the city consumes rather than what the what they produce and and being able to track products and both at the direct supply chain level or an aggregate information around product embedded carbon is relevant for that and and so with that prompt for working with BC around creating this mechanism being able to test a couple of things that I perhaps I didn't just mention because it's not just around the supply chain what what we really set out to do is to come up with one mechanism that the data streams and the data trust caters to the supply chain and embedded carbon functionalities and differentiated commodities but also to the creation of the subnational inventories so can BC climate action secretary which is the branch in charge of the greenhouse gas inventory of the province also borrow this data and compile their inventory with their data so that's one of the key also aspects that we want to test with the project so for a couple years we've been ideating on different ways of compiling a lot of this information into the portal and the underlying network so a lot of what we how am I doing on time I might try to speed up a little bit to give Kyla some some time so we we are working directly on our on our portal and the underlying platform and connecting it with credentials coming out of BC the way the portal works is has an exposed section with all open public information and then a login area where private sector companies or sub-nationals can go in and and load their information account their information so if we just a quick speak of the sneak peek of the UI our nested logic also has an earth at the top and certain key metrics of earth so going into Canada as as the next actor their inventories any treaties and agreements they're part credentials that they're interacting with any trades and transfers or pledges and then connecting with the sub-national actor BC now we go one step under it we have BC in rolling up to the top inside Canada inside earth and then at the company level with copper mountain also the same structure the same logic applies to all of them but they're more stacked in that nested away way so logging in with credentials allows let's say an actor from copper mountain to to access have their dashboard different sites that they have in the world they're overarching emissions any mitigations that they've done and been verified or opposite they brought in and this part's particularly very important for us because it distinguishes between what's a verified climate data of the actor something that the actor self-reported but a third party verified what is a direct tracking let's say with IoT devices and what's unverified so that's a key part that we look at that's making that distinction and then a from a climate action summary dashboard also looking at scope one two and three but the data as you see says might be signed from by British Columbia verified by an entity scope twos might also be verified by other entities how do we bring in a lot of these actors together to sign that so there's digital trust on on the aggregate let's say net zero calculation um i'll try to um summarize a little bit about the the core for open climate and why we're now sort of full steam ahead building this fully open source uh we want to have our first big release in May so hopefully i can come back to the sig with more technical deep dives into it if people are interested in but one of the things that relates to to the BC project which is key for for the open climate initiative is that relationship between the private sector and the end and and public and how to integrate and have digital trust between them how does the data can roll up to an inventory a jurisdictional inventory how do we improve preparedness for accounting and policy requirements let's say if a sub-national government like British Columbia wants to apply subsidies for government for kind of companies they're doing great uh or taxes uh or sub form of taxes so any any form of carrot and sticks application it requires a lot of that trust in the data between the private public but also that it's streamlined that it's not costly to receive that data that it's not costly to verify it um and then finally any form of market approval for example approvals that the government want might want to do in terms of any operations that have a big climate impact second part of course is the differentiate commodities those those might be relevant more from a business to business interaction when it deals with products but it's also relevant for the sub-national government because they want to see low carbon products coming out of their region um the the level of climate accounting integration of scope ones and offsets this is not to replace any application out there doing carbon footprint of companies or offsetting it's it's a layer the open climate so they are that kind of wants to integrate the that and have them to be the authority of saying yes my app software was used to calculate this company's calculation and then finally what I mentioned the where sort of uh we see everything's re-boiling down to is how do we use all of this to keep track of the Paris Agreement um how do we do an independent exercise of that global stock tick so that we really are all part of the same global agreement towards 1.5 I'll stop there um pass it over to Kyle hopefully that's a good uh walk through to to you Kyle and Nancy unless there's any quick questions we can we can we can do questions at the end up to you Sherwood as well oh you're muted Sherwood yeah I'm thinking just so we get all the important information we'll leave the Q&A to the end and just to flag everybody um this is an hour-long presentation sometimes it goes 90 minutes obviously that's dependent on whoever's on the call be able to kind of be extend but I would definitely want to make sure we get through the presentation so we'll go to uh to it looks like Nancy now okay um can everyone hear me yes yes okay great thanks um so I'm Nancy Norris I'm a director of strategic policy at the bc ministry of energy mines and low carbon innovation um and thanks Martin that was a really awesome presentation I learned everything I learned something new every time I see you present on the uh open climate portal so um I just wanted to take a bit of a step back and explain how our ministry uh got involved with this project um so bc uh we have folks like John Jordan who's on the call who've been championing uh verified credentials and distributed letter ledger technology for uh digital government in bc and globally um so the focus um had mostly been on individual identity and then we started to think about how that could apply to uh some of the natural resource sectors and um in specifically we decided to focus on mining um and so the use cases for this technology are endless but we uh decided to focus for the proof of concept on sharing carbon emissions data of a major bc mine using verified credentials uh so we've been working closely with partners in uh the ministry of the environment and the ministry of citizen services um and we've also been partnering with the open earth foundation um so I'll dig a little deeper into phase one of the project on the next slide so we spent the first year of this project um creating a proof of concept enterprise wallet that's interoperable with multiple open source solutions um and as we're developing and testing the tech stack we're also we also established established a core project team and an advisory committee of interested parties so that includes uh representatives from the un f triple c open earth uh the mining association of canada um world bank universities governments and geos uh we've been really um overwhelmed and humbled really by the interest in this in this project um and the phase one uh culminated in us being able to demonstrate our carbon emissions interoperability use case at cop 26 in november uh you can go to the next slide thanks cal so we adhere to the principles of being open source for this project um in terms of the standards that we use uh the software that we build and the governance systems that we're developing uh we see the technology as a public good um for the citizens of bc and for the bc government um and we want to be interoperable with as many proprietary solutions as possible uh but we want to remain open source or open source ourselves um and we've just found this community to be incredibly welcoming and I've personally just so impressed with the caliber of of people who are um involved in this in this space um you can head to the next slide thanks cal yeah so we've we've uh this is the some of the support that we've received for this project um which has been really exciting we we kind of went into it just you know as a pilot testing testing what the art of the possible and um the the the feedback has been uh really uh quite astounding um and uh so the the end of this first phase of work uh in november uh culminated in uh in a uh demonstration at the un f triple c global innovation hub at cop 26 so uh we're going to play the video of that demonstration for you and then kyle is going to walk you through some of the work that we've been doing in 2022 and do a bit of a deeper dive into the tech stack hi i'm bruce ralston minister of energy mines and low carbon innovation for british columbia canada's western most province here in british columbia we're blessed with abundant natural resources including gold and copper deposits throughout bc is well positioned for the transition to a low carbon economy as we maintain our high environmental social and governance standards our mining sector has some of the cleanest operations in the world due in part to our province's clean renewable hydroelectricity and the high level of industry innovation this industry remains the largest private sector employer of indigenous peoples in canada providing economic opportunities for rural and remote communities while advancing reconciliation bc's mining sector provides the responsibly sourced minerals and metals needed for the growth of emerging technologies such as electric cars wind turbines and the transit systems the world will need to fight climate change we're a critical part of the global supply chain and we're constantly improving on our world-leading esg standards that's why we're working to create a system in which our bc mines can easily share their emissions data with investors and buyers this will provide bc mines and exploration companies with a significant advantage in terms of branding our metals and minerals to global esg investors i'm pleased to share with you the work we have done here in british columbia on the mines digital trust ecosystem my name is nate amen blake and i'm an assistant deputy minister of the ministry energy mines low carbon innovation in the province of bc canada i'm excited to be introducing this interoperability demonstration of bc's mines digital trust ecosystem in this demonstration we are showcasing one particular use case that will be of interest to the cop26 audience namely how with the few mouse clicks and keystrokes a government-issued operating permit and carbon emissions data from a mine on the pacific coast of canada can scale into the global carbon accounting platform being pioneered by the open earth foundation through the use of open source technology called hyper ledger aries we've chosen this technology as the means for information sharing because it's highly transparent it's secure tamper proof and immutable in bc we have strong climate legislation bc implemented north america's first carbon tax and we've committed to 40 reduction of 2007 ghd emissions by 2030 bc is the first province in canada to set ghd emission reduction targets and mandatory reporting for major sectors of the provincial economy which has resulted in government-held data about the emissions performance of our industries in the following demonstration you'll first see the province making a secure connection with the ibm digital wallet of copper mountain mine located in princeton bc this will follow with the issuance of a permit and ghd emissions data this includes carbon intensity scope one and scope two data this is the start of the supply chain tracing journey the information can be amended say if a permit is revoked or invalidated but a transaction history will always remain in the system thus validating the origin of the data in this demo the government of british columbia will issue an emissions profile credential from their digital wallet on the left to copper mountain mines wallet on the right first copper mountain mine and the government of british columbia need to make a secure connection between their digital wallets copper mountain mine then asks the government of british columbia to issue them the 2020 emissions profile credential for their facility the government of bc sees that the 2020 emissions profile credential is being asked for and they are ready to issue it on the secure connections page they click on copper mountain mine they start the credential issuing process and select the credential to be issued upon clicking submit the data contents are checked for errors and the emissions profile credential is issued to copper mountain mine copper mountain mine sees the notification clicks on the credential to review its details then accepts it it now shows this new credential in their wallet at any time now they can click on it to inspect the details and add a label for it with this credential copper mountain mine now has the ability to provide proof upon request to its other secure connections the next step is the linkage between copper mountain mines ibm digital wallet and the open earth integrated carbon data accounting system which is called open climate because of the tamper proof cryptography of the credential open earth does not need to check back with the government of bc about the trustworthiness of the information this screen shows the login process the open climate portal is asking the authorized representative of copper mountain mine to provide their login credential it's being done using a qr code because it's using the same digital trust network and the bc government is a trusted provider the user from copper mountain mine can scan the credential and log in to the open climate system copper mountain mine presents a proof showing that the bc government has issued them an emissions profile upon logging in the system will detect the information that comes with the copper mountain mines credential namely the ghg emissions report where the mine is registered and from which facility it comes from the copper mountain mine user is asked by the open climate system to confirm the import of the climate credentials the copper mountain mine user gets to decide whether their data can be stored used and disclosed in open earth's platform once the copper mountain mine user has confirmed they want to import their data into the open earth network they are taken to the open climate portal launch page from there they can go to the copper mountain mine profile which shows the specific mine for which they have submitted information and the emissions credential itself the open climate system allows users to understand how the actions they take to reduce emissions have an impact on a regional national and global level this screen shows copper mountain mines emissions inventory in map view this screen shows copper mountain mines emissions inventory as well as illustrative trades and transfers and how these scale up to a global emissions calculation in the credential box on the bottom right of the screen you'll see the emissions credentials issued by the government of bc which have been transferred via copper mountain mines ibm digital wallet and are now nested into a regional national and global carbon accounting system what makes the mines digital trust ecosystem unique is our commitment to interoperability traceability and open source technology in essence we see this digital ecosystem as a public good the technology will enable our business community auditors third-party verifiers to leverage government-held regulatory data and contribute credentials to meet the global market's demand for transparency and trust in the coming year we will continue to advance the interoperability of the mines digital trust so companies can choose whichever wallet solution they wish and still be able to participate in the digital trust ecosystem at the other end consumers and investors can determine what credentials are important and who they trust to issue them and finally we're excited to continue to contribute to the ambitious work of the open earth foundation and the un global innovation hub in exploring how to understand and transparently track the carbon footprint of our consumer products company commitments and jurisdictional reporting please join us on that journey well uh thanks for uh watching that video my name is kyle robinson i'm the senior strategic advisor for the mines digital trust i'm an independent consultant working closely with nancy and the provincial government um so as nancy was describing our phased approach for this work we in phase one we did the proof of concept excuse me we did the proof of concept and we use the business partner agent technology and then also ibm's identity wallet from a technology perspective for those things we learned a lot of lessons through that process and one of the major ones that we learned was with the business partner agent it actually has its front end really baked into the back end of acopi and that is a bit of a limiting factor for integration with the line of business applications at the provincial government and then also with other companies because companies have a line of business application already to manage their list of organizations that they interact with for the climate action secretariat they have a system that has all of the emissions data in it we wanted to move away from the business partner agent and actually start development of a new tool that tool we're calling traction and it's actually an api wrapper around the hyper ledger aries acopi piece of technology and the main purpose for doing that is that we can integrate it closely and add some value in that api layer for dealing with connections between wallets and then also with issuing holding and verifying credentials so the the other part that we found that we needed to do and this is what we're working on right now is to actually develop a bit of a showcase because we're developing traction and it's just an api layer it's very difficult to demonstrate or show people how it works and so we actually took the aries sorry Alice Faber Acme use case which is commonly used in acopi for a issuer holder and verifier and we developed a light UI that uses the traction api in beautify I believe and that is just a way of demonstrating how traction can be used primarily to stakeholders once we get into the api layer the swagger at UI can be used to demonstrate the capabilities to the development the tech team we are also in this phase using traction in our pilot projects and so the open climate CAS and copper mountain use case pilot project we are going to be using traction with that with those organizations the other major finding that we found from the the proof of concept and early in the phase two was the importance of the governance framework for those familiar with the trust over IP stack there's two important pieces there's the technology and the governance side of it and I will be going into that in a moment just to briefly review this is the what we're looking at for the pilot which is actually very similar to the use case we had for our proof of concept but it's been trimmed down a little bit so we have an issuer of the climate action secretary at NBC it's going to issue one maybe two credentials for scope one emissions and then the carbon intensity is one that we're also looking at that's going to be issued to copper mountain they are the holder they are going to be doing a presentation to open earth for a combination or subset of attribute data in both the scope one emissions credential and in the carbon intensity so just briefly taking a step back the trust over IP foundation has developed this model for those of you not familiar and it is a four layer model with two stacks there's a technology stack and a governance stack on the left hand side the technology stack speaks to all of the tools and technology that is used for actually doing the transmission of verified information through credentials on the right hand side is this governance stack and this is the stack that we weren't totally familiar with or have a good understanding of what we needed to do for that this is primarily actually human readable documentation and really what it comes down to is it is it level documents that describe the interactions between in the technology side but it also speaks to the actual governance of the rules and so these documents are actually you know worked on in a by the governing authority primarily potentially that governing authority consists of multiple organizations in a consensus model they will develop a framework and then publish that framework to be used to be a reference for that community that's using that type of technology stack I think of it from a traditional IT perspective as this is the technology on the left and then on the right hand side is the actual documentation for policies even at the top level to a certain degree it could be contain some user guide type of information for how to actually interop with the different credentials so what we did is we took that model and we have laid over top the actual technologies and governance documents that we need for this pilot and so on the technology stack this describes in a fairly straightforward fourth manner the actual technologies that we're using in each of those layers so we are using Hyperledger Indie that's our DLT at the very low level we are using Hyperledger Aries AIP2 compliant type of wallets and then this tool right here this traction API on Acapai in a multi-tenant solution is the actual piece of API that I talked about earlier that we're building right now and that's for integration into the line of business applications at the data exchange protocol level there's two credentials in an on cred style and that's a scope one emission schema and a carbon intensity schema and those are the actual credentials that would be issued by the climate action secretariat and then presented to the open climate portal at the application ecosystem level this is where we see things like the actual list of trusted issuers of these schemas and the verified dids so we would see things in the actual this is machine readable not the human readable that would actually be the list of dids that the for in this case climate action secretariat's wallet did would be a trusted issuer and be in that list there would also be at this level the emissions presentation definition for the actual set of attributes and credentials that the open climate tool is consuming on the right hand side we have equivalent governance frameworks for all of these layers and they all need to be written some of them might not be huge some of them might be just a few pages long but they do need to be addressed so at the i'll start at the utility level again we have the indie networks and those low level utility networks like sovereign is a good example already has governance framework if you go to the sovereign website you can look up their governance framework it's already written and it's and it's done if we choose to use that sovereign utility layer and we're still working through some of the details on whether we're going to support multiple ledgers or just one ledger but we don't need to for our project need to write the governance framework that's been handled already by another group so we can move up to the next layer so we there's an agent and wallet governance frameworks so at this layer here this is where we're going to look at doing a bc government traction service and for those familiar with akapai it's a multi-tenant solution and so what we could do and stand it up on a government bc government server and allow those api endpoints to be hit from whatever ministry application needs to use it and so they would set up their wallet there would be you know authentication to get in there and that's but what we need to do for that service is we need to write the governance documentation around how that service acts and and how it's used open earth they potentially could have attraction service as well but set up on a different server they would also need some documentation written around how that actual service operates they have you know open climate is one of their tools but there could be other tools that would use that same service up another level this is the credential governance frameworks this is one of the most interesting ones that we're we're hitting against and it is kind of bleeding into the international standards community for data and for reporting so the idea would be that scope one emission credential here would be one potentially that's already written we haven't been able to find it so if you guys know of one please let me know and it's just a credential and it's been written to the actual ledger and can be used internationally and the idea is that when copper mountain receives this credential they could potentially you give it to other people or other systems or other organizations or for different use cases they don't need to have like two or three different scope one emission credentials in different schema formats and so that's the one of the interoperability things that we're looking at same with the carbon intensity and then of course at the ecosystem level this open climate governance document is going to speak to how which credentials are used and in this case which presentation it's consuming how it's used what the security and the privacy is for the use of that data that kind of documentation is is put into that that document there BC climate action secretariat on the other side as the issuer would also have a governance document about how they are doing the issuance of the actual credentials so i want to dive a little bit down into the traction technology that the piece that we're working on so the we're using acopi 0.7 point x i think it's at 0.3 the last i saw and it is a multi-tenant cloud agent written in python it's the using aries and what we're doing is we're adding this api layer on top of it so that for your line of business application here you don't need to write your integration directly against acopi we're adding some some value add type of technology or functions and features into this layer particularly around connection management and then also for issuing holding and verifying the actual credentials on the other side we have this concept that we've invented called the innkeeper the innkeeper is to handle the multi-tenant type of technology so that you can have one instance of aries acopi running on your server and allow those multiple wallets or tenants to be managed in our in the bc government the vision at least is that we would have one instance and multi-tenants and each of those tenants or wallets would be used by a different system or group or ministry or division and they would control their own type of tenant but they can also use the shared service available in the government this is if you're interested this is the link we can share some of these links probably after but this is the link to our github repository where we're working on traction and with that i will wrap it up here we're also all on linkedin but here's our information for emailing us for nancy myself and martin and we also have a global email address inbox that we can all look at and with that i will wrap it up and pass it back to sherwood for questions absolutely uh in kyle martin and nancy thank you this is so i just wanted to first uh mention that this recording is going to be available on the climate action accounting sig page we're also going to post it on linkedin which is really valuable because i'm probably going to need to watch it three times fantastic presentation it's really i mean it's just fascinating one one thing i want to do before we are running out of the the hour that we had so i wanted to just kind of be cognizant of your time i'm sure we've got a lot of questions wanted to see um you know if you guys have time to spend a little bit of time for q and a the alternative is i can kind of come back and try to pull all the questions that people have and and kind of send it out on the on the sig mailing list which i'll probably do anyway um because you have a few minutes over yeah okay all right great um so i'm just gonna see uh dr eileen cz i'll i see your hand raised apology actually there was a mistake okay um well i have a question that i wanted to actually ask really quickly if it sounds like it was just a mistake having that hand raised um so you've mentioned throughout your presentation and also in the video presentation that this is kind of a concept obviously built from a global climate accounting system and you mentioned the kind of the concept of scaling right um you know as you know we have a lot of people on this call who have shared interest in this concept um i know within the sig in particular we have two projects uh one around kind of climate emissions around transportation the other ones are pretty quite ambitious project beginning to begin kind of getting our arms around around the scope three issue and developing a system to be able to begin tracking embodied emissions through a uh through a supply chain taking into account scope three i think all of these things uh would be benefit being able to kind of track plug in and find out how to integrate with at least the very least kind of the design of the work that you're doing so i guess what i was asking is what kind of advice would you give to people on this call to be able to continue tracking your progress uh and find opportunities for collaboration as you as you kind of work in kind of an open source um environment and approach one thing i would sort of speak to um is there's a another meeting that happens every two weeks and it's the climate action uh an accounting standards group and so that's a group that i've been involved with uh and that's these uh layer three um in in my mind that's the layer three for actually understanding uh how we can have an interoperable standard of information that can be used to allow that scaling uh for other holders other issuers um you know those in the community have probably seen the mobile driver's license efforts uh to have an international standard for that data exchange i think that's really important to allow things to scale and to have more collaboration takes effort to do that because you you have to have that that group together for that governing authority in the consensus uh to define that but uh that's an important uh layer to work on for scaling uh thank you very much for that plug uh and i'll recognize also alex uh in alfonso on on this call um so that's fantastic thank you um and so i guess as people have questions please please raise your hand um i can also try to go to the chat after the fact but there's just a lot in there right now um dr uh sorry edwardo rodriguez rodriguez please yes hello hi thank you uh for that great presentation and initiative we want to salute you guys for this amazing um innovation that is happening in bc and the question i have is we are a bc and alberta uh dealer and marketplace for dld we operate with hyper ledger and we have already been working with a number of these initiatives how can we help and who is it that we need to actually contact so that we can uh add and support this initiative that is my question thank you very much i'll take a stab at that edwardo um you can contact us directly um nance here myself uh would be fine or uh depends on on which layer you you're thinking of helping uh with the issuers or holders or even the standards um the other thing i don't know if you already are but being involved in the open source community for trust over ip and also for the hyper ledger is a great place to be um to help contribute um we're actually taking our uh project to a certain degree to these communities to say here's what we're doing you know uh if you see any gaps or places to help us just reach out and and we can start working together excellent thank you very much um what's that i see a question from you yeah thanks sasha you know a quick question um i um haven't seen bedrock in the in the utility um you know layer one you know any specific reason for not having bedrock but in this year just curious uh for the different uh in layer one um we haven't uh kind of landed on all of the utility layers that we're we're going to interrupt with um and one of the challenges my understanding i think it's technical is how acopi can or cannot currently support multiple ledgers um and do that multiple ledger support uh if if it's a indie layer and i'm not familiar with it but if it's an indie layer certainly the traction um solution that we're building could be used on that uh that uh indie layer um it's just for uh some from a technology perspective it's interoperable i would say if it's a if it's indie um on the governance side for our use case that's gonna come down to what's chosen for that solution does that answer your question prasad yeah it does and and they are interoperable you know we recently moved from sovereign to bedrock without even touching even a single line of code so it does and anan threads and acopi you know they all compatible with and and it it is on to ypb so it they should be interoperable yeah i would suggest taking a look at the uh the traction uh repo and and see what you think of that it also sounds someone mentioned that bedrock is not a public utility on the chat um and i think that that's that could be a point of consideration a good point yeah so we are we are looking at using public utility layer for this i'm seeing a question from on sheet so yeah um hi there's a great presentation um one of the problems that i'm tackling right now with my team is around supply gindy carbonization i just wanted to get your thoughts and feedback on what is the best way to get scope free data because um one of the problems they face is in the verifiability of the data or having credibility in data because when you go for the done supply chain you're looking at supplies who are smaller or don't even understand how to get that data so what are your thoughts or comments on that so i'll i'll respond and then i'll pass it to martin um what we're actually looking at um is the certification uh type of credentials rather than a supply chain current type credentials for the solution that we're doing and so we're really following a self sovereign identity uh type of model and uh having a certification for or that that emissions credential that's coming over is going to be a yearly credential that's issued yearly uh to to all the major emitters in bc is kind of the idea so that there's that total amount of scope one carbon intensity and eventually scope two for that facility for that number uh for that year to be able to be issued to copper mountain and then copper mountain can issue that yearly sum to uh the open earth foundation into the open climate portal so it's not at that granular layer uh like a supply chain or product type level um not yet not yet that could be a place to expand to you though right yeah this use case um i've seen the chat there's a couple of questions about the data and and who will be issuing the credentials which i think relates to this um the data that we have available to our ministry of the environment is um at the mine site level um and so that's the the verified credential the information that we're going to be including on the on the vcs um but going forward there's all sorts of possibilities for you know having an iot at the mine site um and what martin was talking about getting down right to the the product level for consumption based accounting um but for this first use case uh we're focusing we're using the information or the data that we have available uh which is uh at the at the mine site level yeah and from from in a way to perhaps tackle the question the first one would be it really depends on what that scope three data is needed for if it's to assign certain um uh responsibility to a company or a company says i want to i want to be responsible with my scope threes then perhaps the level of um of like full verifiability is relevant but you know you can you can do work to minimize already that and then order a magnitude or um uh a second use of scope three would be uh more for just um uh end user disclosure uh in in the let's say a point of sale of a product to make a decision uh it needs to be within a range of of trust and a third one which is a lot more granular is when you're really absorbing the the embedded carbon of of a product i'm becoming responsible of that scope three in there um we see that the need for for very very robust calculation is uh more important and then what we showed in many ways is like the the mechanics that can be leveraged to be able to create that um but it doesn't necessarily address one of the issues that you mentioned which is some of producers are you know scattered throughout the supply chain they might not have a sophistication to be able to do very very robust calculation i think that eventually the most important thing to scale this is identify clearly the incentives and allow that those incentives to sort of like um spread throughout the supply chain so everyone has the incentive to be able to contribute to the data comments of whatever is passing through the supply chain um we think that that um you know making it very useful friendly to be able to participate to be able to disclose is important um but yeah something at the probably end of the supply chain or somewhere in the middle the right intention to be there for all the players to to participate in a rich data um that's just a a high level view i mean there's other ways of coupling um scope three uh but they're less attached to like the the core supply chain and the business to business interactions and more to sectorial uh data insight that could be derived and fall down to you know products and that that relates more for industrial disclosure to let's say national subnational and then they are making calculations around that um and that's very important because you can derive certain insights from that that information but not not at the product trading level. Thanks a lot. This quick question maybe for Kyle um one of the things I found really interesting about this presentation is the focus on governance the slides where you kind of showed the governance stack what were some of the different resources examples that you that you looked to to design your governance um stack uh that that some people on this on this call including me would find useful. Yeah a very good question um we've been working with the trust over IP foundation very closely um and that's that's the the primary resource to start from uh from that model perspective um as far as filling in the uh governance frameworks at the different layers uh that's been more challenging um for layer the best examples that I have seen so far are uh Goliath uh for those familiar with Goliath which is the global uh legal entity identifier foundation they have uh created a governance framework it's still draft um last I checked and they the the draft is for a verified legal entity identifier credential and then they have some other governance when you look at their documentation it's not it's based on the trust over IP but it's not necessarily split into a different document at each level there's a bit of combination which is acceptable um it's just uh you need to um you know kind of have all of those pieces in there um the other one uh that the um is that I looked at is a group called YOMA and that is uh youth I can't remember what it stands for but it's uh out of South Africa Nikki Hickman uh trust over IP has been working a lot on that and uh that's a good example also following the trust over IP model at layer one you know looking at sovereigns governance framework you know is a good example um I haven't looked specifically at layer two uh governance frameworks yet those would be one specific to wallets and exchanges yeah I'm not seeing any more questions hand raised I see one in the chat um sorry if I missed any other ones this one is from Steven um do you um do you foresee Dow's playing a role in the verification piece yeah at some point yeah it's so from our perspective from the BTC government perspective um we're not we're looking more on the carbon accounting side of things we're not uh as focused on the um tokenization and monetization uh portion of this uh but uh beyond this use case uh there's definitely possibilities uh for that and my understanding of of Dow's is that they are a sort of a consortium of of um actors that have agreed to work together um we are doing something similar in terms of all of the uh amazing government governance work that Kyle is doing uh with the team um but yeah I'm not sure that the Dow um framework is is one that that we're uh it's sort of entertaining at the moment but great so um do we have any as the Prasad is a question from you a quick reaction you know um I saw Kyle pasting um VLEI related thing so in the in the uh credential verifiable in the demo that we have seen is there a legal entity identifier uh as an attribute in that no uh good question though um we we've been looking at that um one of the things that we need to do at a minimum is put the facility or site name into the credential um ideally with the organization but it might early in this pilot it might just be a simple string uh with some mapping um and so that that's something that um uh for to go with that credential we also are um this is probably more related to that the uh legal entity identifier is in BC we actually have a production system called org book and it's uh written on Aries uh VCR um I think I got that right verifiable credential registry um and that actually holds uh business registrations uh for uh organizations in BC and so uh Copper Mountain Mine the company has an actual record already done in the org book that can be used it's just going to be up to the verifier in our pilot example for the open climate system to actually want that or or not and with or what they're going to do with it um that could also be a potential where we can expand and scale um but speaking more to Glyph that the idea of their standard is that it's uh it's an international standard for uh organizational information um and so we're not using that in the pilot yet um that's another place to possibly expand yeah so um I'm offering uh Kyle here that uh in in future if you are thinking of using Glyph's VLEI um you know uh you know we uh from IBM we're already doing something on that so we can collaborate and you know we can accelerate that that can cheer you for BC okay thanks Prasad okay do we have any additional questions okay I'm not seeing any hands raised we've already gone 15 minutes over I just want to say that I really appreciate the work that you all are doing um it's uh you know it's I think really encouraging for for all of us to see um it's the the the progress you're making a kind of in real life um and in these systems taking shape it's it's incredibly exciting um and so I can't thank you all enough I think this is uh definitely by far the uh the best presentation uh and and Q and A that we've had uh so far this year um and that's not a surprise uh with with the work that you guys are doing um thank you so much again all this information this video is going to be shared uh on LinkedIn and on the Climate Action Accounting SIG website um there's uh obviously contact information in the video which is which has been recording and um you know I appreciate the um the opportunity and the spirit of collaboration it sounds like some good connections were made um so very big you know useful call fantastic I thank you thank you every thank you everybody for for coming and joining and sharing thanks Sterwood great great job on on the same great uh great to see a lot of familiar faces and names uh and really really pleasure to be here so um again we're going to be posting more information around open climate a lot of this work in the coming weeks or months and um happy to do a follow-up later in the year perhaps more on the technical dive into it we love it all right thanks everyone thanks everyone thanks Sherrod thanks everyone thanks Dancy thanks Kyle