 And I think we are live now. Look at that, what a great bunch of people. What a great gang. A lot of cool people and cool stuff to talk about. I'm gonna introduce everybody, Ron Sobel, who's actually a returning guest of mine, the Randy Rhodes Quiet Riot Years Documentary and Book. Fabulous. The best kept secret in music, the best kept documentary in the music industry. Just before somebody said, what, there's a Randy Rhodes documentary? I go, yeah, there it is. Go pick it up, go buy it. Mark Weiss. Oh boy, I'm gonna put up your book right now. You won't see it on your side. The Decade That Rocked. The Decade That Rocked, I know you have a copy of it somewhere there, right? In back of you. Look at that, right there. Bada boom, look at that. Behind me too, up on my shelf. No, but. Ready for my copy still. Ron, you didn't get it. I'm writing it down right now. And a new member to the gang, Missy, Missy Whitney. Hello, Kevin Dubrow and Quiet Riot. Keep on rolling the new book that's gonna be released. It's on pre-order right now. And I'm showing your book actually on the screen. You can't see it, but it's there, okay? Lots to talk about today. The first thing I wanna tell everybody about is how did you first meet Kevin? Before we get into everything, I just wanna know the different sort of eras or the different time periods so everybody could kind of get an idea of who met Kevin first and who met him last or whenever the case may be. I'll let Ron start off. Well, that's because I met him first. Yes, exactly. It was like September 1972. I was going to Valley College. I've told this story many times and my brother was a grade younger than me, 12th grade at Grand High School and he had met Kevin and he comes home. My brother comes home. Who else? My brother also happens to be Stanley, the guitarist for the Dickies. Yep. Pretty popular punk band, still going strong. Anyways, he says there's this guy named Kevin that's really in the humble pie like you are. You wanna meet him? I said, sure. Gaby Kevin's number. Try to make a long story short. It's not really that long a story. Call up Kevin. He says, yeah, come on over. Bring your stuff. Might bring my photographs and things like that. I go over to his house. He's got this tiny bedroom that he's sharing with his brother. It's like the bedroom, I don't know. It couldn't have been more than 100 square feet. Is that a lot for a man? Anyways, his pictures, he had pictures because he was a photographer too. I had just basically started out. I had a really crummy camera. So my pictures weren't very good. And Kevin's were like so much better than mine. And I just went, well, okay, I guess he doesn't wanna take any of my stuff, but we kind of developed this little bombs with through Humble Pie. And Kevin was, he was really a super fan. He was mailing people in England and trading like American clippings from magazines with people in England. And he taught me how to do this pen pal thing where I got records, I got photographs, I got all sorts of stuff from England. And I traded stuff that I had cut out from like Circus Magazine. Maybe some of your pictures went to England Mark. And that's kind of what happened. When I left Kevin's, I didn't think I'd hear from him again. But he called me up and said, hey, what are you doing? Let's go hang out. And from that on, we were, you know, took a little while to become best friends, but eventually that's where we became. Very, very cool. Missy, you're next. You know, I saw quite right play, you know, the very tail end. My first show was August 30th, 1979. As far as meeting Kevin, I met him sometime in 80 after Randy went to Ozzy. And it actually started out as pen pounds. I was terribly shy. So I found his address in the phone book and he lived in an apartment and I sent him letters and I sent him copies of photographs that I took of DeGro shows. And there was a lot. So I used to send it to him and then one day he wrote back. So I was pen pals first and he sent me discount tickets and then he started sending me more discount tickets and asked for my help to spread the word. And then one time he actually called the house. I lived at home. I was a teenager. And when I got on the phone, I didn't know who it was. And so he started sitting in slick black Cadillac and I just went, oh, it was so cool. I finally talked to him on the phone. And then after that, I had a DeGro shirt made because there was no merchandise back then. And I wore it to the Starwood one night. And so he knew it was me. And so he went and used a sound check. He walked over to me in the parking lot and he introduced himself in person. And I actually have a photo of that very first meeting in the book. So it was kind of a gradual pen pal thing. Very, very cool, Mark. Oh, well, the first time I saw or found out about it was at the Us Festival. I was there shooting for Ozzy. And there was, you know, Quiet Riot was one of the opening acts. Impressed by him, you know, I think I might have said, hi to one backstage, but that was about it. So then my next time, my real meeting was when they played the Madison Square Garden opening up for Black Sabbath, I think in October. And it was an assignment for Faces Magazine. It was like a new rock bag. And we wanted to do backstage stuff and a little more like Rolling Stone style photographs. And we want to do something with Quiet Riot. And I think Frankie kind of took advantage of the situation because they needed a single seat for banging your head. And they knew I was coming in there and he knew about me and all that. So, you know, he said, you know, their manager said, make sure you tell Mark to bring like a empty canvas so and bring some paint. So I followed instructions and I figured he was gonna do something, I didn't know what. And after, I don't know if it was after, I think it was before, during the after sound check, he just started going to town on it. And we ended up with this, this single seat. Yeah, the famous picture there. Yeah. And, you know, and then we became friends and I did other photos and- The slide show to my youth. The slide show to my youth. Mark Wise, thank you, go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, no. Did you come out and shoot at Kevin's house and Rossmore Street? Yeah, so then we became friends. And then anytime I, you know, I went on the road with him. I did photos, he got him in the magazine. So of course on their buddy, I get him in all these rock mags, circus hit parader faces and overseas mags. And, you know, I just was one of those, another band on my roster that I would, when they went on tour and they had a new album out or a video, I would make sure I was there. And we became, you know, friends. And then Kevin invited me to stay at his house, Rossmore, he gave me keys. Like whenever I needed a place to stay, whether it was there or he wasn't there. And, you know, we hung out, you know, did everything guys do in the 80s, you know, had, you know, went over, you know, we partied a little bit or a lot. And we, you know, that was my beginning of my relationship, which continued throughout the decades. All right, so now the book. This is, and I think I heard Rudy Sarzo say this. This is the missing link between Randy Rhodes' era quiet riot and mental health quiet riot. This is sort of like the De Bro era, right? The sort of the cultivating De Bro era that sort of created that mental health era. Missing, you want to talk about the book and how you got Mark and Ron involved. Oh, well, I can't take credit for Ron. Mark got involved, by the way. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Ron. Both of their names were on the cover because that's huge to have the two main photographers of the band. So that really made me very happy. I've been wanting to do this book for a long time, but as everyone knows, life gets in the way. Jobs commute and it just, it just never got around to it. I had pieces of it done. And then when Kevin died, I just really didn't want to do it anymore because I was just upset. And 2020 comes around and everyone's stuck at home. And one day I went out on a walk, I said, this is the year. This is the year I'm going to do it. I can work on it every single day. And so I sat down and I put on a 80 station. This needed a quiet ride and rat and Cinderella and whatever came on just to get me in the mood. Went through all my memorabilia and started trying to remember all the memories I wanted to share. At one point I maybe wanted a really great book cover. I have photos of DeBrow and they're decent, but there are no Ron Sobel and there are no Mark. And I thought, you know what, maybe I'll try to find one online. So I was looking around for a specific photo. I was looking for a photo of Kevin where you could see clearly the little gold charm necklace of his microphone stand. And I had given that to him for his birthday right before they went on stage to perform a solid gold TV show. And so I saw this photo shoot where he was wearing leopard and black and he was all bound and gagged with rope. And so I thought, okay, well, let me see who did this. And I looked Mark wise. No idea who he is. I'm so bad at keeping in touch. I find out Mark's the man. And I think it was a good thing I didn't know because I never would have picked up the phone. I've been way too intimidated. So I loved that photo and I thought, okay, I'm going to ask him, but I don't have money for this. And I know he's big time and he's in album covers and everything and I thought, well, I'll just go ahead and send him a quick note. And if I don't hear from him, at least I gave it a shot. And then actually he wrote back, which I was surprised. And he wrote and I wrote back, he kept asking me questions. And so I finally just picked up the phone because I'm on the West coast. He's on the East coast. And we talked and he's asked a bunch of questions. And he said, let me think about this. I have an idea. So I went back to working on my book. I was just going to put it out on Kindle. I was going to keep it very low heat. And then about a month later, cause Mark launched his book and he was busy, busy, busy. And all of a sudden he contacted me and said, look, I have a great idea for this book. Why don't we put some of my photos, not just the cover? And let's get ahold of Ron and see if he'll also contribute some photos. So Missy, let's go to Mark. What did you think? I want to hear Mark say on this. You're paraphrasing. You're paraphrasing here. Wait a second, Mark's right there. We can make this interactive. He's probably wants to know my point of view. Mark, okay. So I'm going to toss the ball to you, Mark. Okay, Missy sends you an email. What's the first thing that comes to your head? Well, I just, you know, I'm going to, you know, I figured it's a sale. I didn't know, you know, if she was self publishing or what the deal was. But you know, when I told her my prices, she says, oh, thanks anyway. I'm like, well, wait a minute. You know, let me know more about what you're doing. That's when I started asking the questions. And then she told me who she was. And I said, can you send me your manuscript? And she sent it to me and I read it and I fell in love with it. I thought it was very heartwarming and I knew Kevin and a lot of people don't know Kevin as he is. Well, that's what I want to hear. It was heartwarming. I like that word. Okay, go ahead. Well, you know, Kevin, you know, had a big mouth, but that's, that's him. You know, even if he just was working as a janitor, he had that same mouth. That's, it's his DNA and he just speaks his mind and he's, he's proud of it. And some, some rock stars and people don't take great to it. I got along with it. I gave him, I always like gave him credit for speaking his mind and we made fun. And that, that image that Missy was talking about, we tied him up with rope, with a gag in his mouth and Spencer, the, one of the shots we had Spencer, like, you know, hanging him with the noose, you know? So we were playing with it, you know? And he has sense of humor. That's why I liked him. And he, and I, you know, Kevin was always on your side. If he was, if he was your friend, you'd have your back. And I, how did you bring Ron into the picture now? So Ron, you know, you tell me when Mark contacts you, I, what did you think? Oh, hey, you know what? This is about time. Somebody did something about Kevin. I mean, what were you thinking? You want some photos and photos? No problem. I thought about it. I wanted to read it. I, I actually said, can I fact check it? And I never got a copy to fact check yet. Well, to be fair, honestly, I think until you read the book in the manuscript, you don't really realize this is not about this happened this day, this happened this day, et cetera. It's more about, it comes from more of an emotional period. Like we couldn't get into a particular club we were underage. So the next night we decided to sneak in. It's about fan stories. You know, someone's showing up at the PO box, not realizing it wasn't a physical fan club. So it's really not anything more than my personal experiences working with Kevin, working with Frankie, how I met Frankie. And so that's why it's more, it's more along the lines of, that's why I say my fan club ears, because it's more about how I wanted to have it. Yeah, I get that. This is basically social media before there was social media, right? That's what the fan clubs did. And I guess the kids of today don't understand that, right? And it's not their fault. There was no Facebook and Twitter. You couldn't get the word out. So, Missy, just tell me about how important the fan club was for bands back in the day. Honestly, it was the only connection the fans had with the band. Unless you were a photographer or you knew the band or you were their girlfriend or whatever. That's it. You couldn't get backstage. Now, if you're a groupie possibly, all that is a given. But true fans that weren't any of the above, they had no connection to the band. And I found that at first, I had an unofficial list of people because I was a fan and I was a little younger than the group. And I didn't really know any of them. So I went out and I made my own DeBrow fan list. And so I would go to the forum with some friends. I dragged all my friends with me. They had no choice. And we'd go to the forum and some scorpions or somebody would be playing. We'd sit in the car. We'd wait for everybody to go inside. And we'd get out with my little handmade, photocopied DeBrow rocks mailing list flyers and put them all over the cars. So I made an unofficial list first before I even met Kevin. I was still by mail. And then when mental health came out, that's when it got really bad and scary because the mail was pouring in. My sister and I would hear the video box. But I want you to pause. I want you to pause right there. Hold that thought, okay? Now, Ron DeBrow, a lot of people, it's just sort of like, what was DeBrow? I mean, a lot of people don't understand what DeBrow was. And people don't realize that it was actually, what was it, like a hundred shows he played? I mean, it was at least what, a year, two years when he was going under that name. It's a piece of history that no one really knows about. And Ron, you were there, right? I was there doing lights. I took a few promo pictures for DeBrow that had Chuck Wright and Bob Stefan and Frankie in the band. I think the first guitar player Kevin got was Greg Leon. Yes. And then there were a few others. I think Mitch Perry played with him. Mitch does the... Rotating musicians, rotating musicians. Yeah, he kind of had a rotating guitar players. I was going to USC film school at the time. So I would do the lights, but as far as like all the social stuff and who Kevin had in and out, I don't remember much about it. I really don't even remember when Carlos joined the band. I was just reading something online where it said they got the record deal and then they got Carlos. But I don't know if that's right. Maybe Missy knows. Missy? You know what, honey, you should say that because revolving musicians, one week it was one guy, there was five people in the band and there was four. Then Greg Leon is gone and now it's Mitch Perry. Now it's Gary Van Dyke on bass, it's Chuck Wright. I actually never got to know hardly any of them because they were coming and going so fast. So I just stuck with Kevin until Frankie got in the band because Frankie was so solid and he actually met me and introduced himself. So that's how I knew Frankie a lot better than the rest of the guys. Mark, have you ever heard of Dubro? Like other than the L.A. song? No, no. Same here, like same here. Like I was looking for these albums, right? I wasn't looking for Dubro, I couldn't find them back in the day when Randy Rhodes was popular with Ozzy. But Mark, you've never heard Dubro, the name, I was more of an L.A. thing, correct Missy? It is. In fact, that's just the whole point when Randy left and then eventually Rudy, Kevin told me I'm gonna name the band Dubro so I can call all the shots. And he seemed very happy with that. And that's when he started trying to fine-tune who the lineup was going to be. So when they got the record deal, and this is what Kevin told me, he said that they thought it'd be better to use the name Quiet Riot again. So it really wasn't a way is Dubro. The Quiet Riot that the world knows under mental health is Dubro. And a lot of the songs are written by Kevin too. You know what's interesting? So I'm just gonna throw out your thoughts here. When I was a young guy and Randy Rhodes passed away tragically, the first thing I wanted to gravitate towards was anything Quiet Riot. I was looking for the imports, right? And instead of the imports, I found this album, right? Before it actually went popular, right? Mental health. And now to your point, the songs, right? One song, Bang Your Head came from the snow era with Carlos, right? Another song, and maybe Ron remembers this more than anyone. And then there was another song, I think Carlos wrote. Oh boy, which one was it? Don't wanna let you go. Most of those songs they did in the Dubro set. And Slick Black Cadillac was from obviously Quiet Riot with Randy. This is what I'm trying to understand. If Dubro got signed, how did they get signed? Where Quiet Riot couldn't get signed? How did Dubro get signed? They had a producer that came along Spencer Proffer. He saw Dubro play and he thought Kevin sounded like Naughty Holder. And he thought he could do something with this band. And he signed him. Then he told him he wanted him to do Come Feel the Noise. They refused, but of course he was the producer so he kind of made them. Kevin told Frankie, okay, you're gonna do the drum track. I want you to mess it up. Frankie's playing the drum track and Kevin's through the glass of the door to the recording studio, trying to get Frankie to make a mistake. He's making faces and things like that. Frankie finishes the track. Kevin goes, what are you doing? You're supposed to mess it up. Frankie goes, I can't, it's not in my DNA. And then the rest is history with that song. Yeah, so Missy, Dubro gets signed, I guess based on what Ron said, right? They had the right songs, the right producer, the right timing. And then they switched to name, I would think that if they never switched a name to Quiet Riot, I would have never purchased this album. Right? I don't really even know why they went back to that name. Ron, maybe you might know this more than I do, but I kind of recall Kevin telling me that after Randy died, and this is what, it kind of went to Dubro, record deal, gonna change the name to Quiet Riot, Randy dies, and then Kevin said, Randy was supposed to come back and play under the name Quiet Riot with the record deal. And he was supposed to play on the song, right? I don't know, on Thunderbrack. That was what my understanding of the timeline was, because Kevin said, what makes it more disappointing and upsetting that Randy's gone, is that he was gonna rejoin the band. So that never happened. He wasn't gonna rejoin the band, he was gonna play like on one of the tracks. Okay, I kind of sworn he said he was hopeful he'd rejoin the band. I think, look, there's absolutely Kevin loved. There was a relationship there, right, Ron? Kevin and Missy, Kevin loved Randy, like to no end, right? I've interviewed Kelly Garny, and there was a division, right? There was, everybody was fighting for Randy's attention, Randy Rhodes, you know? Kelly wanted to grab him, and Kevin wanted to grab him, and then the whole fighting and the gun incidents, and then Kelly was out, and then Kevin finally got Randy, then Randy left. Mark, as a person, and now I just wanna talk about the person who Kevin was, what kind of person was he? Like we said, heartwarming, funny, outrageous. I mean, what kind of person was Kevin to you? Sarcastic, witty. He liked his women. That's, I don't know, I don't know what else. It was probably like. Well, did he make friends easily? Cause let me tell you, I've interviewed Kelly Rhodes, and he said, you know, he didn't make friends, like he was really rude to people, but he loved what he did. Like he wanted to be a rock star. He was, he persevered, you know? He, no matter what, no one's gonna stop him. He was, he was committed. Maybe that's what the word is. Yeah, I mean. That's your overnight success. If he liked you, then you were. Actually, Kevin liked me. I mean, I brought, you know, more his persona into the magazine, so he befriended me, you know? He, you know, I mean, I'm sure he liked me as a person, not just, you know, because I can get him in magazines. I mean, I took good photos and he liked them, and then he sees him in the magazine. So it goes both ways, you know? It's, it's a relationship that a photographer wants to get from an artist that's especially, it's starting to sell millions of records and getting the access. So I liked his personality. Like I remember going to the rainbow and, you know, piracy or, you know, Don or Dawkin, or they would say, where are you staying? Like, you know, what hotel are you staying? I say, I'm staying at Kevin's. And they were like, really? Why are you staying there? I'm like, you know, why not? You know, he's my buddy, you know? It's, he's like, you got to tell him to chill out on it. If you, you know, listen, it was good press. Everyone fed into it. And it was just Kevin being Kevin. Yeah. Missy, what was yours, his personality like to you? And I just, I want to establish sort of like a character, you know, that's why. You know what? I think one of the big reasons why Kevin and I got along well is because we were very business-like. I'm a very business-like person. And so was he. And since we had the exact same goal, we worked beautifully together. And I think most of it started as we're working together. Get the word out, you know, update on this. It was very fun. If I wanted something done, he was on it. If he needed something done for me, I was on it. But as time went on, we became friends. It's almost like that had to be the catalyst to then becoming friends. And, you know, he'd come up for Christmas. He'd give me a Christmas little demo tape wrapped up in Christmas paper. He would just do kind things and little things. I think part of that is because, I mean, I didn't ask for things. I just wanted to help. As time went on, he realized that I wasn't out to get something from him. And I think that makes the difference when he becomes loyal. He realizes you're there and you're not there to, you know, I want all backstage. I want free, I want whatever. I paid for all my tickets. I did all of that. It's like, this guy is trying to make it and I have no doubt he's going to. And your name is on the back of the album, right? Your name? It is. And on the original pressing, that's obviously it's original pressing. Kevin was actually very thrilled to call and tell me that my name was on there twice. And he really wanted me to understand that you're on there twice. You're a quiet, right squad. And you might have to run some of my best friend. Do you realize what that means to me? And I'm like, no, I'm totally grateful. Thank you. But he was really railing it in that, that there's only a handful of people who are thanked. And I was right there next to his best friend. And he was always very clear as much as he loved Randy to death in my communications with him, Ron's his best friend. He says, Ron's always been there for me. And he remember I was sitting at his table in his little apartment and he says, you know, Randy's great. Randy's great. And he's fluffing his hair and everything. He says, but Ron's soul has always been there for me. And he doesn't get it to be my best friend. And I think that's the whole thing. He has a tendency to go out there and meet a ton of people. And I'm sure it's got, you know, more popular than many more, but like with Mark, Mark started up, you know, doing photography, but it was the more of the person that Kevin gave the keys to, to come stay at his house anytime he wanted to because he got to know Mark and he was a solid and true guy. So Kevin would keep his guard up until he knew that you weren't somebody who was going to, you know, offend him or backstab him or do something. That seemed to be his mentality. And then once that was established, that's it for life. He was there for you for life. I always like, I always wished I could interview Kevin. Unfortunately, I didn't. I thought, I always thought, I loved this character. Even when I was a kid and he was mouth and off, I just love this character. I just love that sort of attitude. I don't know, I gravitate towards, I like Mark. I just, I prefer people who are more outspoken than people who are quiet, you know? Ron, you've told me so many times, but just quickly, you know, what are the things that stand out about his character that you just loved? Well, I thought it was cool. He kind of made the overture to be friends with me, fight then me be friends with him. That meant a lot to me before I even kind of knew what was going on. Kevin, if you were his friend, he had your back. He had mine many times. He was somebody who was like trying to get his goat or something. He was so quick-witted. You just couldn't get it over on him. He got me to get out of my house. I was living with my parents. I was 25, still living with my parents. He says, hey, some of you might know who Kim McNair is. I mean, I know you two do. All three of you probably. Kim was living with Kevin in an apartment and then Kim moved out and Kevin needed a roommate. He goes, you got to move in with me. You got to get out of your parents' house. Yeah, I'm kind of comfortable here. I'm still going to school. He goes, come on, we'll have so much fun. There'll be so many girls. I go, okay. That's always the motivator, isn't it? Yeah, so it was a motivator. And yes, I did need a lot of girls. That's cool. That's cool. Missy, now the book. I want to talk about, establish his character, who he was, because I think he gets lost between, with Randy Rhodes, he's always getting lost. But I mean, he was the driver of quiet, right? I mean, when I heard the original version of a snow banger head, the riff is there, but only Kevin took it to the next level and made it a real song. I mean, he was a musician and he wasn't even a born musician, right? Right, Ronnie kind of just fell into, I'm going to be a singer, right? Are you asking me? Well, I guess I'm asking you both. Well, I think that was just thinking of that. I heard, I heard Ronnie. While you were talking about that, I remember, I don't know where I saw this, but somebody in some interview somewhere said that Kevin was on the phone with Randy when Randy was in England and Randy was telling Kevin about these kids banging their heads. He called them, you know, Kevin hadn't heard that term before, headbangers. And right after that, Kevin wrote the lyrics to bang your head. Yeah, Missy. Okay, so quick synopsis of the book. So why should people pre-order this? It's on Indiegogo right now, right? It's still being funded, correct? What's going on? You already completed the first phase. We raised over 50% in the last two months, which was really great. And so now we want to just do the last bit, do all the pre-orders, and then we go to press because the book is pretty much done. It's just a matter of, you know, getting the funds. So it's not going to be, we're going to write it. It's been written, it's been edited, the photos have been chosen. We're just now going to get the layout done and then do the book. As far as why, first of all, the big thing is the de Brogue period. Like, like you said, I find it interesting whenever I come across a quiet riot fan, they either don't know about the Randy years depending on where they're coming from and how old they are, or they know about mental health. But when they find out that there was a period where Kevin played 107 shows as de Brogue and was looking, going through musicians and trying to find the right chemistry and writing a ton of songs and had that singular drive to make it, that era there, I was side by side as far as helping him promote the band. And so I was not someone that you hired. Hi, hello, corporate person. Please do the fan club. It's no, I'm a massive fan of the music. I'm the ideal candidate. And when he got the record deal, he called and asked me to meet up at the troubadour in the bar area. And I assisted on, what do you need? Do I have to go to the troubadour? He says, no, you gotta come down here. So I called some friends, cause I went everyone with friends. That's what you did back then. That was your social media. You dragged your friends everywhere and went down to the troubadour and Kevin saw me walk in and he grabbed my arm and pulled me over to a booth and sat me down and said, Spencer Proffer loves the music and he wants to sign us. And we were just both the giddy. And it's interesting because- It's like you made it, right? It's like you made it too, right? Yes, he knew that it was just important to me and I'm sure to all his friends. But you can only be so, you have to be a certain way with your guy friends. Everything has to be cool. Everything has to be hit. But here he's all, he might as well have been a teenage fan himself because he was so excited. And then he said, there's more, there's more. And I'm like, okay. He said, I wanna make you the official fan club president. He says, you've been doing it unofficially and now that we have a deal, I want you to be there and I need you to help me with this cause we're gonna be huge. And I know there's gonna be a lot of fans and I know you're gonna connect with them cause you're a fan too. So that's really, it's a bro up to that point, being a fan, sharing, getting the name out and my experiences working with Kevin before he was huge, meeting Frankie before he was big. I met him when he was in Monarch and then the album comes out and then it's how that explodes. It's getting fans down to the mental health video shoot. It's going to the feel the noise video shoot. And I was pretty much there for the beginning few albums. And you start getting older. You start going into twenties. You started having a life and getting married and unless you're someone's girlfriend or wife, you're kind of, I did my part. I was there to launch it and I was there to give birth, if you will. And then that was pretty much my era but it was the strongest and the coolest era of all in my life. There you go, that's true. Mark, August 1983, you get called to do the photo shoot at us festival. I think it was in August. August 83, right? The band in October, I think. October, us festival? I don't remember exactly. Or they're something like that. Okay. So Mark, you get called. I mean, how popular was, this is before mental health and come on feel the noise actually was a big hit. The band played at 11 a.m., something like that, right? What was, no sort of, sorry? Mental health, they're actually on the road by promoting acts of mental health was out. No, no, the videos, the videos weren't sort of like singles yet. They weren't like hits. It was sort of like the band was picking up steam but they weren't sort of up there yet. Right, exactly. Yeah. What was the sort of like, do you remember the fans and were they gravitating towards the band? What was the sort of like the mood like? Yeah, I mean, they played, I mean, musicians. I mean, they were like, they played flawlessly during that show with the energy and excitement. They put on a rock show in the morning. Motley, I think Motley was before. I think so too, yeah. And there was like 250,000 kids there and they loved them. And Kevin was just the rock star. I mean, there were all rock stars up there. You know, Carlos went on his shoulders. You know, Frankie was an animal up there and Rudy was just doing his posing and slapping the bass. It was just incredible performance. I think they really stole the show. And I think the Scorpions followed him and then Ozzy kind of ironic on the day I was there for Ozzy. And it was the first time I said eyes on Quiet Riot. Did you know their music before doing the photography? No, I never heard of Quiet Riot. Never heard of them. And Ron, were you there? I was there. There's a little backstage kind of feeling when I was there and Missy, I don't know if you were there, but Ron, tell me about what was going on backstage. The throwing up before the show, I don't know. Well, I was their lighting guy, but... There's no lighting, there's a morning shirt. And they didn't need lights to go on in the daytime. And we were back East when they got the call to... They got the gig because John Cougar, Mellencamp dropped out. So it was like last minute. And I can't remember exactly if I was supposed to sell t-shirts or take pictures, but I got to go. None of the other crew, the sound guy came. Nobody else came, but me and the sound guy in the band. I don't even think any roadies came. So there's a video that's out, or a DVD that's out of the Quiet Riot Us Festival show and you can see me in it. Oh yeah, cool. But anyways, like after that, they started to get their first support act on a big arena tour was for Loverboy. Yeah. So we were opening for Loverboy and they were blowing Loverboy off the stage. Loverboy kicked them off the tour. Canadian band. And just to plug this one more time. So before Missy's era, it was Ron's era. This is Randy Rhodes' Quiet Riot year, sort of the beginning of Quiet Riot. You know, all the sort of characters and the members and the artists and the people behind the scenes appearing in this documentary. The best kept secret or the best kept documentary in the music industry right here. So go and do yourself a favor, pick it up. I've seen it like five, six times. I'm a huge Randy Rhodes fan. And the book, and the book is amazing too, I mean. And the book is amazing too, yes, yes, yes. And your book too, and your book too, Mark. Your book too is great, yes. And yes, Ron's book at the company. Do you have your book there, Ron? Do you have your book that accompanies it? Does it what? The book that comes with the DVD. Do you have it in front of you? There it is. You can get it at redmatchproductions.com or ronsobel.com. Thank you. No. Like I said, I am overjoyed that I have two heavy hitters on this book because my stories are lovely, but with their photos, it's turned it into just a masterpiece. So thank you. I mean, I didn't want it to be a little paperback, you know, soft cover. Those don't really do it. You didn't do that, Mark. It's gonna be a kindle. Yeah, it deserved more. And I want it to be a hard cover. I want it to be glossy. I want it to look like my book, not as big. I mean, mine's 400 pages and coffee table, but it's gonna have the same look and feel of it and just have it so it's on everyone's shelves that people wanna know about it. And then when I called Ron up, he's like, you know, sure, I told him it wasn't a lot of money. You know, he worked with us and you know, we're gonna self publish it and you know, I've learned a lot by working with the publishing company that I'm with now about my book and I'm gonna see where we can go with it. And yeah, no, I think it's, you know, that's the way you do it today, right? It's just the way you do it today and it works. Small world story about Missy and my book. Missy's ex-husband was the graphic designer, Eddie Anderson on my book. Okay, there's a lot of connections. Also my, you know, back when you're young, you make up fancy titles. I called him my VP, a president, because I met him on one of those flyers that I stuck on the forum and he called me and he said, look, I can do graphic design. I work at a mailing house and I had a vision for that, the poster you put up, that yellow, quite right, I want you. And he helped me design that because that was the membership form for fans to join the fan club back then. So I went down to an army recruiting store. I got a poster and then I took the poster and we found a way to put the metal mask on front of it. And then we put quite right, I want you. That was my vision. I wanted on yellow and boom. So he actually designed that for me too. So Danny and I are still great friends. He's very talented. Whose idea was it for the metal mask anyways? Don't know, do you know what I'm on? Was the album cover designer. Oh yeah, that's, that was, yeah. He put him on the cover. That's the artist. Took a picture of himself. He got that red, I'm not sure if it was red or if he painted it red. He always looks like Kevin. He always looked like Kevin there. That's Kevin. Yeah, that's Kevin, right? But Missy has a story about the video shoot when they made the original one that she talks about in the book. I thought it was kind of interesting. Where is that? And you have it, right? Oh, the metal mask, yeah. I have the one that you see on the shelf behind me that you can just buy that one. Yeah, I see it, yeah. That's what it looks like on the album cover. But at the time of the video shoot, the college, the CalArts College where they filmed it, they had the students of the art college make the masks for us. And we were supposed to wear them at the very end. And then it showed as if metal health made us all turn into these mental patients with the masks. After the video shoot was over, we were supposed to walk out of the auditorium and hand back our masks. And the good news was that I was, I handed mine in, but my sister didn't. So we have one left from that video shoot. And I'm actually using it in my little photo that you posted earlier. That's the real metal mask from that video shoot. Very cool. I think it's a wonderful kind. I don't think there's any more. Yeah, I know it's very cool. Mark, I want to ask you this. So I think it's the end of metal health Kevin mouth soft, right? He sort of, he sees all the other bands getting signed. You know, he thinks he's in a lousy deal with Spencer, right? You know, he thinks that Spence Proffer took more than he should have. And he lashes out in the press not once, but multiple times. I remember buying these magazines. What was the journalistic sort of community thinking about this? What were the thoughts of the journalistic community at the time? Like, oh my God, it's Kevin. Oh my God. Were the anxious to get more quotes for him? Did they want to ruin his career? I mean, it was missing. And then I want to ask you, Missy, did you tell him to like to stop? Stop, please, just stop now. Mark, Mark, feel free to answer first. Well, he liked it. You know, I mean, he, and the journalist liked it. It was like a love, love relationship because it's not, he wasn't pissed that they wrote it because he said it. He stands behind everything he ever said and more. You know, he was like, you know, he turned regular rock mags into like the Star magazine, you know, and like TMZ before there was TMZ. Yeah. He loved it. Did it help sell records? I don't know, probably. You know, you get in the press, people talk about you. You know, people love you. They hate you. At the end of the day, they'll buy the record if they like the music. Did he piss journalists off? Did you rub them the wrong way, perhaps? I don't think he pissed journalists off. He just pissed his band members up. All right, okay. You rubbed the fans the wrong way. It was kind of like, they pretty much kind of went downhill after that and Kevin admits it, you know, later on. Yeah. And did anybody actually tell him, Kevin, can you just please just, just a little calmer, you know, not as specific or anything? Nobody could tell Kevin anything. No. Don't tell Kevin anything. So there was no point of no turning. It was, it was public. I mean, you know, in the magazines, it was like, they come out every month. So it takes a month to get there, but it travels. So these little feuds would go on for months, not like if it was today, it would be on Twitter and Facebook and then two days later, they'd be gone. These lingered. So these things lingered and then someone else would do an interview and then a month later would appear in a magazine and that's how it was. It just kind of kept going. It wasn't forgotten about. Yeah. People forget is like magazines, what had like a two month lead time before the, the story was actually published to the time of the interview or something like that. Right? Oh yeah. Yeah. Not only that, but do you know what's interesting is that before Kevin made it big and the whole band that was who Kevin was. He had opinions about everything. I actually found that really refreshing. It was so PC. It's kind of boring. Yeah, I agree. We never really thought of anything. So when Kevin was being Kevin, now it's being amplified and now he's getting a bunch of crap for it. And obviously like Ron said, he kind of regrets it, but he didn't realize he had to restrain who Kevin was. And like Ron said, you don't tell Kevin what to do. I never would. In fact, most of the time if you would complain about them giving him that kind of coverage, I'd say too bad. That's how you feel. There you go. Because he has an opinion. It's refreshing. Ron, when, when, okay. First of all, the album went number one, right? The album in, I don't know if it was November, I can't remember November, I remember. It went number one. And then, I mean, when you're number one, where else can you go? Right? But down. It probably would have been better if they had a slow rise instead of that explosion to the top. But, What was the downfall? What was the downfall? And I remember, I was actually, I was happy when Kevin was coming out these quotes. I was laughing. I love the opinionated sort of, like you said, the anti-PC sort of, spokesman. I loved it. I got a kick out of it, but the majority of the people didn't, right? Do you think that was the, one of the reasons why everything started going down or was it because they didn't build slowly? I probably, one of the things is not building slowly. I mean, relatively speaking, from when the record came out, I think it was in March to November. I don't know if you'd call that slow to number one, but nobody would have suspected it to go to number one. It's probably, look, it's Kevin's mouth. Most people would have to say it was Kevin's mouth. And the second record wasn't as good as the first. And another big mistake was doing, mama, we're all crazy now. People would make, you know, they get a lot of backlash that, oh, they have to do another Selaid song as a single. That didn't help at all. What about him? And I've seen him in interviews. He starts, you know, piling around too much and getting on everybody's nerves and Rudy Sarza leaves. Was the drugs now a part of it? Did the drugs start playing a role and start of amplifying his character? I don't like talking about the drugs, but since you got it on. No, no, no, no. I mean, look, you don't have to, you don't have to. No, no, it's, he spoke about it. I mean, I could read quotes about it, right? Okay. Well, Kevin was, he was, you know, out there. So he took it a little too far, too much, parting and thinking he was immortal and we're number one and everybody loves us. I can do whatever I want. It, it, it, you can't. Yeah. He started pissing off people that had influence over record buyers. And I know, okay, this story I hate to tell, but I'm going to tell it because I don't think I've ever gone public with it. Since it is part of the fall, I think, Kevin would have me make a bunch of iced tea and put it in the Jack Daniels bottle. This was public in People Magazine because the, I didn't realize it, that was the writer from People Magazine was in the dressing room when I was making the tea to put in the Jack Daniels bottle and what did she do? She writes about it. And guess who finds out about that? David Lee Roth. What does David Lee Roth do when they're on stage for the 1984 tour? He holds his bottle of Jack Daniels up and goes, this ain't no quiet riot. Oh. Yeah. So that didn't help either. And again, I'm not, I'm not like, I mean, it's a public that, you know, I mean, he talked about it. He goes, I didn't do as much drugs as David Lee Roth did, but I did do drugs. I mean, he said that, you know, many interviews. Missy, what's your, if you want to comment, you can comment. If you don't want to comment, that's cool too. Honestly, I was spared. I believe during the time, I mean, I'm not sure what he was doing when we were working together, but he was very clear headed and he took care of business. I put a swarm one time. I heard him say he didn't really start getting involved with drugs till he was like 28. And I knew him before that. So I knew the clear headed business focus, we're going to get a record deal guy. And he also knows that it's true to this day. I don't drink, I don't smoke. What do you do at a man's song? I don't do any of that stuff. It just never occurred to me. So I think if he was doing anything, even if it was a small amount, he kept it from him. I may have put him on a pedestal as the singer and I worked for him, but he put me on a pedestal as I'm not going to ruin her innocence with the other side of my life. And that's exactly how the relationship was. I heard about it later on. There was some stuff with Frankie that he was worried about, Kevin, which that was a documentary that's well known. And then when he died, it was still pretty much a shock because I still had him caught in that place where he's not going to take it that far, is he? But by then I was married, I moved on, I did my part. And so I really wasn't in the reeds of it. I wasn't watching him do this. And I'm actually quite grateful because I got to see, in my opinion, the- Another side. Kevin then. Yeah. And then I read the sweetness of Kevin and the kindness of Kevin. How about you, Mark? Okay, you're backstage. I wasn't there for the rest of- Mark was backstage. He was back of everything that was going on there. I mean, did you sort of see that sense, that see, you know, man, there's a little too hyper for me or maybe you just were so happy back then you didn't even care? Yeah, I was happy and I didn't care. But, you know, I mean, I had fun with Kevin. I just, I was not an abuser, you know? I liked everything Kevin liked, but I just knew when to do it and whatnot too. When, you know, and I wouldn't, I wouldn't, it's not in my DNA to mouth off. So it's like, you know, cocaine accentuates what you like to do, you know? I mean, it made me a little more shattier, which I liked because I'm quite a guy. So, you know, it got me, it's easier to talk to girls when you're doing it, you know? And, you know, you get a little creative, I guess, you feel you are anyway. And so I, you know, I partook and edit as a recreational drug, you know, and I didn't abuse it. Kevin took it too far, like, you know, Ron said. And the reason why I bring it up, I'll tell you why I bring it up, because that sort of like was the end game for him, right? That was sort of like his demise, right? At the end of the day, it was, you know, the drugs. And it's, like I said, this is a kind of music, this is an artist that I've always wanted to interview. Like, I think it'd be one of the greatest interviews ever. I just, you know, I just always wanted to meet Kevin de Brogne. That's all. Oh, you know what, Jimmy? I want to say one thing too about the book, the stars. In the very beginning of the introduction, I put in there sex, drugs and rock and roll minus the sex and the drugs. That's what this book is about. It was about the rock and roll and in the fan side. So if anyone's wondering, it's not going to be the usual, well, I got drunk and I did this or, you know, I was having sex, not going to be that at all. It really is from a fan, pure fan, who ended up being the head of a fan club and understood the rest of the fans. And like, like Mark has said before, it's kind of pure and innocent. And because that's really the story that hasn't only been told. It's just more about that. It's, you know, the book's out there on the CD side of life. Just go to a rock and roll band. They'll tell you all about it. This is a little bit of a different angle and cause this from my perspective. Well, that's what I want to hear. That's what I want to hear. You know, I want to hear the other side. For so many years, we heard that one sort of dark side. I want to hear the good stuff, you know? It's not even an angle. It's just Missy's story, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's not made up. It's just there. She's got notes going back and forth. It's her recollections. Obviously you can hear it like she remembers everything. And so it's- And I love the guys. There's nothing bad about the guys in the boat because I've had pure love and respect for all of them. And that's how they will always be in my mind. And there, yeah. The letters that Mark talked about, I did put in the handful of letters that Kevin wrote to me in his little stationery. Said, I thought I'd drop you a lion. And it's a little lion on the side of the stationery. So I have his letters telling me who's in the band and what's going on. So I love having those letters. That's, again, something that social media doesn't provide anymore. You know what's amazing? I talked about Kelly Garny and Randy Rhodes always together. And then Kevin sort of jealous of that sort of relationship. And he wanted Randy for himself. Right, Ron? Am I wrong about this? No, you're right. But so Randy tragically passes the sad passing of Randy Rhodes. And what happens in, and I spoke to Kelly about this, is he develops this relationship with Kelly. After hating him for so many years, they sort of become friends. And I find that, I don't know, it's kind of like they've come full circle and they've bonded over the tragedy of Randy, right? And they were friends up until he died. And I thought that was very touching. A lot of letters are going back and forth between Kelly and Kevin. And I don't know, I thought, Ron, did you hear about that? Or I'm sure you know about that, right? Well, Kevin moved to Las Vegas and Kelly was living in Las Vegas. So that's kind of part of the reason he became friends with them again, because there was somebody there that he knew. Because later on, it started going, like at the very end, it started going south. As far as I was told, how Kelly watches this and wants to defend himself, that's fine. But that's what I was told and what I saw with Kevin. Okay, all right, fair enough. I mean, when I spoke to Kelly, and I'm not, that was at the very end. It wasn't like they didn't have a good time. Kevin trusted Kelly, he gave him the keys to his house when he was out of town to take care of things, so. All right. Also, Jimmy, also, Kevin's just a jealous person. He didn't like me seeing other bands. So, when I told him I saw Monarch, boy, I got an earlobe for seeing Monarch, but then when I said the drum was phenomenal, and then did Frankie on his band a few weeks later, and he was all thrilled to death, because I'm sure you heard about it from other people. And then now his number one fan, also thinks Frank is great, and then boom. But yeah, no, he, the first thing I said was, I went and saw a band called Monarch. I was a little nervous about saying that, because I only saw his band. He said, why? Why were you seeing another band? And he was joking on the phone, but Kevin was very particular. He wants your loyalty. You're my number one fan, and that's your job. And it was kind of a funny thing, but he can be very jealous in that way, too. So I think that's part of his personality. That's a pretty cool one. You had a hand in Frankie joining, would you say that? You know what? I'm gonna tell you this, Ron. From my memory, we were at the Starwood because Monarch opened for quiet ride three nights in a row. And I think on the second or third night, Frankie walked over with discount tickets. You know, I'll dress down. We were always standing in line early. We were in front. We'd get there two hours ahead of time. We wanted to be in the front, and I refused to be anywhere but the front. He walked over, and I said to my friends, I said, that's the drummer from Monarch, because I recognized him from the nights before. And Frank comes over, introduces himself. He says, do you have discount tickets? We're like, oh yeah, we already do. He says, well, I'm really impressed that you guys come and you see Kevin right up front. I'm really impressed with that. I said, would you consider coming to see my band, Monarch? And I said, I'm like, we'll think about it. Because again, I had a feeling that Kevin wouldn't approve. And he said, we're playing at a place called Flippers. That roller rink place with a band on the side. So I gathered my friends and we snuck to Flippers. And we watched them play. And Frankie was pointing his drumstick and smiling. He was so happy that we made it, but he was so good. So I took a leap and I called Kevin. I said, I went to go see a band, Monarch. Why? Why are you seeing another band? And then I said, well, the drummer, Frankie Vanilla, is just phenomenal. He's got this big sound. And I think it was a week, maybe two weeks. He called up, guess who's my band now? Guess who's the new drummer? Guess who's my band now? And I said, oh, Frankie Vanilla, Frankie Vanilla. He always talks about this quick little spurts of talking and I went, really? He said, yeah, yeah. But then I saw later on that Randy told him about him. So I mean, who knows? I think my timing was beautiful because it seemed like I influenced, but I'm not going to take that kind of credit. You know, I like that. Same with me. I mean, when I grew up, I used to go see bands like you did and you never knew if they're going to become big or not. And this is innocence to it all. And I'll tell you something else. And LA was probably 21 years old to go to bars, right? Yes. I would assume, right? Here it's 18. You're like going at 16 to bars and watching bands. So like you're talking about innocent and naive, you know, there we were, right? What about Frankie? Like, I mean, that was a great story, Mark. What was it like for, you know, taking pictures of Frankie? What was he like? Was it easy to work with? He was protective over Kevin and the band. He knew Kevin liked me. I think Frankie liked me, otherwise he wouldn't like let me do all these photo shoots. But, you know, he's very business, you know? He was very business. He wasn't really super warm, but he was business and straight and just to the point. And that was our relationship over the decades, really. Smart guy, amazing track record. I mean, when I found out recently what he's done where he came from, again, like, I didn't know what he did. And like, I mean, these guys are rock warriors and they paid their dues. It's like, and it ends up being in the perfect storm with the perfect band, with the perfect songs. And you got this perfect drummer that just added what Quiet Riot needed. It was the perfect drummer for Quiet Riot. I mean, who knows if, you know, I mean, I'm sure Quiet Riot would have become big, but he just was the cement and just, he was the guy. Look, that drum pattern for Come On, Feel the Noise, right? That is, that's what we think of when we think of Come On, Feel the Noise. It's that intro drum, that beat. I've talked to Frankie a lot of times and it's exactly like you said, he's business. But when he loves you, he loves you. He will hold on to you, he's very loyal. And, you know, it's very sad that he passed Run. Your feelings on Frankie or comments or? Well, to tell you the truth, Frankie was kind of jealous a little bit because of my relationship with Kevin because I knew him for so long before and it was like, oh, this guy's playing, doing our lights. He's just Kevin's friend. You know, I'd get that a lot. So I had to prove myself, which I did with my 1200 light, 1200 light, light show, which lasted about a day because it costs too much, but they didn't know it at the time. And actually that's one of the reasons I got fired from doing the lights. And Frankie was a little behind that, but I got over it and actually then firing me was the best thing that could have happened to me because I ended up making way much more money doing real estate than I would have if I was, you know. So just to backtrack a little bit, the band comes off the road for metal health, they go on the road for condition critical and massive lights, right? Is that what it was? Well, after metal health, they said, okay, we want you to make us the biggest light show you can. So they asked you, they asked you that. They asked you. They asked me and I did it, but then it had to start getting cut down because all the Kevin backlash was starting and maybe they had played and toured too much before they came out with their second album. So the tickets weren't selling. So we had to cut the light show down. So actually for, actually, so I got fired before the third record came out and I was pretty pissed about it. And so for like a year, I wasn't friends with Kevin. And they kicked Kevin out of the band. How do you do that? I don't know. So you have enemies as your friend. Okay. Kevin starts up, then Kevin gets back together with Frankie. They start quiet right again. I actually executive produce the record down to the bone, which is a bonus. If you buy my book, you get that as a bonus. So after that. Did I forget to mention the DVD? Thank you. After that, Kevin and I push Marks too. I don't have his book, but Mark, you can hold. Actually, I have a picture of his book and you guys won't see it, but boom. There you go. The decade that I rocked. That's like the commercial. That's like the commercial in between the chat. Go ahead. Go ahead. Anyway, after Frankie and I, after Kevin passed, we became a lot better friends. He kept quiet right going. I went to the very first, and I didn't go to the very first renew and quiet ride show without Kevin, but I went to the first one they had like locally at the Canyon Club. And I kind of, you know, we became way better friends with Frankie then, but we could never quite, he kept telling me, come on over to the house, I'll cook you pasta, but I never quite got there. And unfortunately he passed. Yeah. And Missy, when did you leave? Like what era, what time period? The third album, the second album, when did you leave? Well, the quiet ride fan club got really big after mental health. That was when it was just like, you know, overflowing. And I worked with Warren Etter, their manager a lot. And I told them the fans really wanted a fan club. They wanted merchandise. And he said, okay, well, why don't you put something together? So I did. I went and did like prototypes of things I would want as a fan and put it together and then made that membership form quiet ride want you. And I was gonna charge $10 a package. Now at the time Warren said, I don't think you're gonna get anyone to pay $10 a package. I said, you don't read the letters like I do. He says, I'll tell you what, put it out there, you know, email the membership forms. If you get a hundred in the next month, we'll put everything in production, all the stuff you designed and we'll go from there. I said, great. So we put it together, the merchandise thing and sent it off. And a month goes by, made an appointment to go back and see him. And I sat there across from his desk in his home office and I couldn't wait for him to get off the phone because I was busting out the seams. And he said, you didn't get a hundred, did you? I said, no, you were right. I go, we got 400. And I clocked out, ego envelope of checks written by, by parents for their kids and everybody and just massive amount. Now it was all payable to quite right squad, which was a non-existent entity at the time. The more simple opening the account, deposit the checks, we'll take care of it. And then after that, it just got put on hold. Quite right was getting so big. I don't think Warren could now deal with a fan club branch. So it took about six months and people were really kind, but they were writing going, did you get my money, do you know what it's gonna happen? And I kind of got depressed because, you know, I'm like, Kevin, I want to get this stuff done. And I kept leaving messages from Warren and finally just look at this is what we're gonna do because it's such a big success. We're going to get a fan club company that'll make them merchandise and ship it. And all you have to do is write the monthly newsletters because you have a rapport with the fans and we're gonna fulfill it that way. And I said, great, you know, because I was like 1920, I was pretty young. And so that's what we're going to do. But then that kind of fell through. And to this day, I don't know why. I don't know whether it decided to just go with tour merchandise and they didn't want to do this anymore. There was like one or two letters that they rubber stamped my name on saying, hey, here's your checks back, you know, there's stale data and we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna start all fresh here again. And it just disappeared. So by the time like the second album came and all that, there really wasn't much for me to do anymore. There was no fan club really to run anymore. Kevin went from his apartment to a house in Hollywood Hills. I went there a lot. And once he went to Rossmore, I kind of, and that's where Mark came in. I never even went to his house in Rossmore and we were just kind of keeping in touch here and there. And he was on the road more. Everyone had their new friends and their girlfriends and their lives and I had mine. So I pretty much was there like a, what do you call it, shooting star, you know, with the big meeting up time. Well, you were there at the best time, yeah, yeah. The cultivating of- And then after that, I didn't go, I didn't go and really see any of the shows later on. Again, because you know, I had my own life and I felt kind of weird. Unless you're married to somebody in the band or you've got some kind of official capacity, it started to feel strange to show up as a, you know, a fan later in her years. And so when Kevin died, there was no way I could ever go see him with another singer. I feel the same way about Queen. I can't go see Queen. Well, I think that's a good point right there. You know, I have a hard time. Even when Frankie, when I interviewed him and he was coming out of these albums with all these singers and they're rotating singers, you know, quite right without Kevin is just not quite right, in my opinion. You know, I mean, to each his own, right? If people want to love the band, great, but it's just not the same. It's just not the same. And I told Frankie I supported what they were doing. Yeah. And I'm sure with some level of he wondered why it didn't show up, even to just say hi. But to be up front of the stage for 105 shows and not having to be Kevin, it would be too hard for me. Yeah, I got it. It would be way too hard. All right. And you know, Frankie got me through Kevin's death. He's the one who wrote to me. Wow. And Kevin thought about you and reached out because I lost my voice after Kevin died. I literally lost my voice. And so I sent him an email and I said, I'm so angry that Kevin died. And he, he wrote back and he was, you know, he just lost his best friend and his livelihood and he's consoling me. That's the kind of guy Frankie is. Yeah. You know, Ron, I wanted to do this, Kevin Dubrow. After we did the Randy Rhodes interview with you and your documentary, I wanted to do something on Kevin. I think just timing wise, it just happened perfectly. I was telling you for a while. That's great that all you guys are here talking about Kevin. One last question. A lot of people are asking about Randy Rhodes. Okay, Mark, you took pictures of Randy back and we're going back. We're backtracking a little bit because I know a lot of people are asking about this. And maybe everybody could just sort of weigh in on Randy Rhodes, just to give everybody a little bit of glimpse more of Randy. Mark, you took pictures of Randy. I'm assuming it was Blizzard of Oz in the US, right? Just tell me what that experience was like. Well, I mean, unfortunately, I only photographed him backstage one time. I did one photo shoot with Ozzie and Randy and Rudy and Tommy Aldridge. And it was at the Capitol Theater of Paseguin. Sadly, that was the photo, Rolling Stone used when he passed. Yeah, yeah. So it was a quick moment. It was right before the show. I liked him. You know, he was very quiet. And I shot him maybe a handful of times live. You know, I shot the whole show and, you know, I did some things. But that's really it. I didn't really get to know him. I know, you know, Kevin used to, when I used to stay at Kevin's house, he used to show me postcards that he wrote, that Randy wrote to him when he was out with Ozzie saying how he wished he was with him and, you know, that he loved him. And, you know, we're gonna get back together and do stuff. And, you know, so he showed me those postcards. It was amazing when I stayed there and just kept them in his drawers. I wish I would have took a picture of them or something. But, you know, I respected his privacy and left him there in the drawer. And, you know, and he shared him with me. And that's cool. So, you know, for Kevin to feel that way about someone, he must be pretty special, you know, for someone that doesn't like too many people, you know? Aside from his talent, I'm assuming he was a special person. I'm sure Ron knows him. Those are the letters, look at that. I've got some of the pictures. They're not in my book though. This is the, like a test copy of the book and I had to take them out for legal reasons. Wow. Wow. So, I'll take my copy later, Ron. So, Ron, what are those exactly? Are those handwritten letters or what are they? Letters from Randy to Kevin. Ah, that's like the Holy Grail right there. Wow. So, Ron, Kevin's mom had them and she let me use them, but I couldn't put them in the book. Okay. All right. You want to weigh in on that sort of Randy Rhodes and as a person and his relationship with Kevin. Kevin loved Randy like there was no tomorrow. He thought he was like a gift to himself. Like how do, how is it that I get to play with him? He was pretty disappointed when Randy went to Ozzy, but he knew the choir riot really was kind of at a dead end. So Randy had to do it. Randy was a great guy. He was really funny. Most people know this. Everybody always says this is an interview. At least that I've seen. He had his own sense of humor. A lot of people say, you know, I don't know if you know this. Everybody always says this is an interview. At least that I've seen. He had his own sense of humor. A lot of it was kind of based on. Like the show green acres. He liked a lot of his little words and, and special, um, inside jokes. Or, you know, naming. People or naming situations after things that happened on green acres. Yeah. I think that's what he was. I don't know what he was. And he was like, I don't know what he was. I think Ron Noble movies was an expression to him. And Kelly had, I think. Well, your bone movies was a title was what porn movies were called. That's what you call it. I don't know where this one came from. He would call people like that guy's an Ed, but I forgot where the Ed was from. But it's from something on TV. I can't remember what maybe Wilbur, the horse. Remember the pig. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's talking horse. Wilbur. Yeah. Wilbur. Mr. Ed. That's possible. Um, It was Mr. Haney, I think on green acres. And Arnold the pig. So. Anyways. Yeah. I'm missing. You want to just your, your, the Randy Rhodes, your. How you perceived him and how he was to you and how he was to Kevin and. Yeah. One thing I do know from Kevin. Is reading a lot of interviews on him. He always said that Randy wanted to please everyone. He wanted to make everybody happy, right? He just so. That, that was a big part of it. Clearly. Yeah. Maybe that's why opposites attract. Actually. When I first saw a quiet riot. I was a Randy fan, like, who is it? You know, and, uh, in fact, right now in the go-go campaign, there's a, a snippet from the book that Mark is doing the layout right now. And there's a picture of me wearing a black and white polka dotted vest and bowtie that my mom made for me. I got photos of Randy and she had no pattern and she designed it so I can wear it to the show. And I did. And, um, I was like 15 or 16 at the time and I'm all, you know, big eyed and excited. The first time I saw him play at the star baby, I did stand right behind him after the set was over. I'm five nine and he's very petite. And, um, someone bumped into his arm and spilled his drink on my skirt. He apologized. I was just like in heaven. And that was the only interaction with Randy. And then I saw them in shows and took photos. Uh, when I did wear the polka dotted vest, however, because it was exactly like his, he actually during a solo came down, kneeled down on the stage and pointed to his cheek a few times. And until I understood he wanted me to give him a kiss on the cheek because I was wearing his exact outfit and I did. And then he smiled and blushed like and got up and finished his solo. That's my interaction with Randy. So I'll always be the more of the fans. Yeah. All right. On that note, I think we've pretty much covered everything. I look forward to your book and, and to all, and of course, once again, the Randy Rhodes quite right here. Right. The DVD available online mark wise. I haven't paid him to do that. No, the decade that rock, that's incredible. Incredible. By the way, Mark, I looked at over the other day and it's just incredible pictures and stories. Look at that. Look at that. Just that, that's just beautiful, beautiful. And of course your book and I'm going to put your book up here, Missy. Keep on rolling behind me. Eight by 10 of it behind me, but it's just a, just eight by 10. I have a picture up right now. People can actually see the picture right now in the book. And that was a, that was a photo Mark and I, he said, what photo do you want to use out of that photo shoot? And I said, the one where he's got his hands like, he's no angel kind of a thing. And Mark was great. That was the one I wanted to use too. So Mark and I are on the same page when it comes to how this book is coming together. I couldn't ask for a better partner. So thank you, Mark. What'd you want to say? No, I just want everyone to go to Indiegogo because I want to, I want this book to be exactly how me and Missy for see it. We don't want any outside corporate people like saying it's got to be this or that. Cause one of the things with my book, I needed to help. But, you know, certain pictures I wanted in and they said, no, and you know, this is our total vision. And I just, we're just looking to raise a little bit more money so we can self publish it. And so I, I urge people to go to Indiegogo when you get things, you get photos, you get, you know, picks and the, the, the poster that Missy was talking about earlier, like, you know, and it's, and we're just talking, you know, five, $10, you know, for certain packages just to help out and then or, or you can like, you know, get a pre-order of the book and you get goodies with it too. You know, I get, I apologize to everybody. There's, we got a full house here. So I can't get to all your texts. People are just texting away and, and I can't get to them all. I appreciate everybody though watching and I really want to do the show on Kevin to preserve his history. And I think it's a really cool that you've done this book and you've preserved his history because it's an important history in hard rock and heavy metal. It is. It truly is. Thank you. All right. Thank everybody. Thank everybody for watching. And Mark always a pleasure, Mark. And all the people who already bought packages. Thank you. I know you're out there watching. Yes. You know, so you're watching. So thank you for watching. Thanks again, Ron. Thank you so much. You're on. All right guys, have yourself a wonderful day. And you know what? Happy new year. Yes. Bye everyone. Take care.