 What do you eat a cat? I would eat a cat if I knew it was killed humanely. If it was in a country where I was accepted, I wouldn't really mind if I knew it wasn't like fortunate to death. So would you eat a human being if they were killed humanely? If it was legal and it wasn't... I'm not even joking. So we're talking about a sandwich here. Do you eat animals? Do you eat animals this Christmas? Yeah, I eat chicken, bacon, beef. Bacon's not an actual animal. I like pig. See what they do? They get you thinking of animals as products. I eat every animal. So even dogs? Yeah. You mean every animal they tell you to eat? Society tells you to eat. Interesting, you said every animal, right? How many are there? Life, cow, pig, chicken. Lamb? Yeah, fish. Fish is disgusting. I just ate salmon. So cats, would you eat a cat? I would eat a cat if I knew it was killed humanely. If it was in a country where I was accepted, I wouldn't really mind it as long as it wasn't like orchards and stuff. So would you eat a human being if they were killed humanely? If it was legal and it wasn't... I'm not even joking. So what I'm saying is like, if they want to live, it's okay to kill them even if you think it's like, humane. I've got a mic on. It's all right, brother. Use it up for you. Oh no, I wouldn't kill a human if they wanted to live. If they wanted to live, okay. So we've got no for a human. You've got no for a human? Hmm? Would you kill a human? Even if they didn't feel pain? Just for a burger. Look, if they didn't feel pain, I think I probably would kill them. It depends on the situation. Oh, of course. Well, I'm saying for a burger or something trivial. Probably not for a burger. Probably not. Probably not. There was a difference between a human being, and a cow. That justifies stabbing the cow, but not stabbing the human being. What's the moral difference? Humans are self-aware. The cow doesn't know it's a cow, so the cow just knows it's kind of there. Let me ask you this. If a human being was about as self-aware as a cow, would they do exist? Human beings like this? Some disability? Would it be okay to kill them for a burger? If every human was like that, then yeah. But if we were like something special, like aliens, and the humans were like cows, then yeah, probably. So if they're humans with cow minds, it's okay to kill them for burgers? I'm asking, what is it about cows that makes it okay to stab them in the neck and cut their head off for burgers? For their taste-nice. What do cows do for us? They give us burgers for us. One sec, you said that because they taste-nice, right? Yeah, yeah. If a human being tastes-nice cooked up, you wouldn't cut their head off and eat them, would you? Well, we would never know. I'm just saying, like, random person, you wouldn't cut their head off and eat them because they taste-nice. So if a human's right, and you do eat cows, trying to figure out what that is, you said, what do they do for us? Cows? Like, do you think if someone does something for you, that's the only reason they have moral value? Not really. I mean, I don't know. Like, do I have to do something for you in order for you not to respect my rights? Probably not. Human rights, you just have them, don't you? Yeah. You have them. Some countries, people don't have them. But in this country, we have them. That's where cows don't. So do you think that we shouldn't eat any animal? Like, what do you think should happen? Yeah, like, what do you think should happen? So it sounds like you got to a point where you're like, okay, what's the solution then? Yeah, what do you think the solution is? Well, I don't think it's right to take animals and cut their heads off for a sandwich. I think they deserve rights just like we do. But not the same kind of rights. Like, don't do something bad to them. That's what I'm saying. They don't need driver's licence and that. Exploiting them for our trivial purposes at all. Is there anywhere to kill them without hurting them? Like, I'm sure some places do. When you talk about animal rights, because you're talking about animal welfare, don't be cruel to them. When I say animal rights, they have a right to their life as well. So even if you killed them without suffering, if I did that to him right now and he wants to continue his life, it's murder, you know? Like, I know that there's like, free-range chickens that get to live first. Free-range is a marketing point. It's a lot to do with labelling and propaganda and that. But let's just say there was a chicken out there roaming, right? And he came and you painlessly took their life for a sandwich. I'd say that, would you say that's justified? I mean, they won't really know once they're gone. If it didn't hurt, I'm sure they're not going to miss much. A lot of people get killed, they don't know they're gone either. They get killed, we'll look to the back of their head. Is that okay? No, but like, that's because... So what's the difference then? I still think that human, like, self-aware thing applies. Yeah, but some humans aren't. No, I know, but that's different because like, they came from a self-aware human. I'm sure there's someone that cares for that retarded person. What do you mean about self-aware? Like, they know, like, we know we're human. Like, a chicken doesn't know he's a chicken. He just kind of knows he's living and he's doing his thing. Like, the person who's not self-aware, I'm sure they have a mum or a dad or like a carer or something. Yeah, but you can be aware of the world, right? You can be aware of your experience, right? So, try to picture, you're aware of your experience, you suffer, you feel pain, you don't want to die. But you don't know who you are or what you are. They can still experience all these things that matter. They still feel. They still feel. So do you think it's really self-awareness or awareness that matters or sentience that matters? I think it's just like, we're more conscious. We're more conscious. Yeah, like, you know, we know we're... If we were a little less conscious... I think it's the same for animals. Like, if I had a baby cow, I wouldn't want to kill it because I care for it, but then there's cows I don't care for. So I think it goes for like... For humans, I don't care for like, I mean, I got to know you. I don't care for like, a lot of people. Like, personally, but I don't want to see them harmed or enslaved or killed, especially for like, but we're talking about a sandwich here. We're talking about, you can eat something else, eh? And they lose their entire life. I've been vegan for 10 years. 10 years. That's good for you, but like, I've never seen an animal get killed, so... Can I show you? Quickly? I'll show you what happens inside slaughterhouses. This is the dairy industry. When they stop producing milk, they drag them away. This is one, limping in, spent dairy cows. They're trying to get out of this box. It's called a knot box. That was nice. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Like, when you pay for that, like in Australia, that's what you're generally paying for. We're talking about situations of like, like hypotheticals where if you killed an animal without pain, is it okay? And I'm saying no. But that's not, that's not where you get meat from anyway. I don't, I don't know. I feel like if like 10 people stopped it, it would still continue anyway. I don't know the exact... I don't know if it's ever going to stop. If we don't murder someone today, someone's going to get murdered today. True? Well, I'm not actually doing the murdering. I'm just enjoying the... You're paying someone to... So if you pay me to do the killing, is that still murder? No. I think it's... Without you, you stopped your support of the industry, you know what I mean? When you consume products... So you're a vegan for 10 years? Yeah. So what do you eat? Like, can you tell us your daily goals? So I'll eat like, basically everything that I used to eat except veganised. So if I want yoga, I eat vegan yoga. If I want a sandwich, I make a vegan sandwich with vegan cheese or I get like some... Make a vegan burger. We just went to Rolls, the Vietnamese restaurant. We got vegan, lemongrass, chicken rolls. We got fowl buns. We have tofu in there, you know? Like, so you can go to... We just get a vegan burger. There's heaps of stuff around there. Oh yeah, I've had those. Like the vegetarian one. But if you want oats, what do you want? You know, bread and pasta and rice and tofu and vegan meats. Can you not have bread? Yeah, I have the bread, so you can... Most bread is vegan. Log. But it's basically, you veganise your own... what you usually eat. What do you eat now? Um... Chicken. I'm bulking, so... Chicken? Yeah. Look, I feel bad for killing animals. I actually hunted a bird once. In Lebanon, I went to Lebanon and I went hunting. My mate, one of my best mates was like hunting and then hunting was massive over there. Birds. Yeah, yeah. I killed like three of them. How'd you feel? At the time, I didn't... You didn't feel anything at the time? I didn't feel anything. Was it hunting better? At the time, I was numb. Wouldn't you consider hunting better than the farms because they died just in the wild? Just ask yourself that question. Is it better for me to hunt you or better for you to be... I would rather die just a year than I would be like stuck in a great dungeon for. It might be better than being in a dungeon being tortured, but it's not good to kill you, is it? No, but... Yeah. So why do we do it when there's another option? I guess there's another... I don't know. I don't think many people would get behind that option. Well, I'm not just asking you, man. Well, I... Everyone else. I want to know what you... I do, but you have a conscience. You don't go and copy people that do bad s***, do you? Yeah. I mean, like, you've got to walk your own path. If you think something's wrong... Exactly. It's a matrix. It's the matrix. I got that on my phone. It's a matrix. They trick you. They don't show you the slaughterhouse I just did. They don't show you that old growing up, do they? You ever see that? Why don't they show you? Because they don't want me to stop eating meat. They want you to buy their product. They're torturing animals. You're eating chopped up corpses. S*** knows what it does to your body. And, you know, when you watch it, if you feel bad, you're like, I don't want to see that. That's bad, right? But you're paying for it. They're tricking you to pay for it. Honestly, personally, I don't think I'll be vegan anytime soon. Maybe I might choose to do it. Just minding the seed, brother. Just minding the seed. I love that. I love that. Mind the seed. Do what you want. I get what you're coming from. I don't know if we'll ever be truly gone of all evil in the world, so I think you might as well just... What you can control, though, is what you put in your mouth. Hello. Hello. Hey, friends. Hey, friends. Anyways, have a good Christmas, brother. No worries, man. Good talking to you, man, eh? Take care. No worries, brother. It's good talking to you, eh? Enjoy your Christmas.