 Blue for fires for pollution. Welcome, everyone. We are streaming now for today's episode. I wanted to give a special thank you to everybody who sent me good morning. What's that messages? Oh, I'm only half serious because this morning before, well, depending on where you live in the world, it was like, my phone was like buzzing in a weird way where I knew it wasn't text messages. I don't know. I have like some other thing for WhatsApp, you know? So I was like, what is happening? You know, where you kind of like look at the phone to make sure it's not an emergency. And I was like, good morning. Good morning. What in the world? Because we had a story yesterday about this is like a very, very popular thing to do in India. And it's like so many people send like gifts along with the message. Good morning. That it's like eating up people's phone storage. It's like a whole thing. And so, yes. And then one person sent one to me via Twitter. So, and I still was like, well, that's nice. Good morning. Oh, I see what you're doing. See what you're doing. Yeah. That's how it goes. People get an idea and they go. Even you, Ola. I know you watch the show. Ola. The person is so nice. Their name is Hello. Wait. Isn't that the snowman from? No, that's Olaf. Oh, yeah. Ola the snowman. I just, I watch a lot of frozen because of my kid. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to know the lore as much as you're just sort of subjected to it. I get it. All right. So we're at the time. So whenever you guys are ready. Okay. So you start off. Well, so Scott's going to play the music. Yeah. But you're going to read, you're going to read the Patreon. Read first. Scott follows with the music. It dips down and you introduce your. Oh, you want me to do you assume. Oh, it said, it said SJ. So I thought. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. Sorry. I mean Scott. Okay. So I read that. Then I'm going to play the music as soon as you hear the duck. Yes. Okay. Sure. I knew. You know, it says, it says if, you know, let's not make it seem like we literally cannot live without Tom. I mean, I don't want to live without Tom, but I feel like we can. Yeah. It's already bad enough that you could say this is a meritless show. And I hate. No. Don't ever say. It's a show without merit. It just is. It's a show without merit. It is. It technically is technically, but not. Literally. So let's make this happen. All right, Roger. You get on your end. Yes. Okay. So you're going to hit record right. I'm going to recording now. I already recording. I'll cut out this little bit when I send you the file. And I'll count it down to three, two, one and go. So here we go. Three, two, one. Go. Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more. Head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the daily tech news for January 24th. It's a Wednesday. I'm Sarah Lane and this is already a weird show because Tom Merritt is not joining us. He has the day off. He'll be back tomorrow and nobody should panic because I am not doing this alone. I couldn't do this alone because I've got Scott Johnson with me. Oh, I don't know that that's true. I think you probably would kill it, but I'm happy to be here not only to support anything you want to do, but also to provide my snap commentary on the issues of the day. It's going to be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this is, hey, we've been doing this on Wednesday for a while now. And it's, it's a little bit weird also because I'm not at my normal studio feline. I'm up in San Francisco where I'm working. I'll be back home tomorrow. So everything's going to go back to normal tomorrow. But you know who is normal, probably the most normal of all of us is producer Roger Chang, who's also. Thank you. Never have heard the word normal and my name used together in the same sense. I was going to ask. That's pretty awesome. All right. Listen, we'll take normal. We'll take abnormal. We'll take whatever, but we're glad that you're behind the scenes over there, dude. Thank you. Well, we've got some normal news and some less normal news. We'll let you find out for yourself with starting with a few tech things. Come on, Sarah, get it together. AMD announced it'll integrate the semi-custom Silicon unit, which designs chips for game consoles and other devices into their larger graphics business, the Radeon Technologies Group. The semi-custom unit was previously part of the enterprise and embedded group and will now report to Senior Vice President Mike Rayfield. Hmm. It's good to see AMD in the news with so much intel talk. It's nice to see some positive talk about who's making chips these days. The European Commission announced a 9997 million Euro fine against Qualcomm for what they're calling anti-competitive behavior. Not just calling it that. They're determining it to be that. The fine stems from a 2015 investigation into Qualcomm reportedly offering lower licensing payments to Apple in exchange for exclusivity for the use of their modem chipsets from 2011 through 2016. The fine represents 4.9% of Qualcomm's 2017 turnover. Apple released Security Update 2018-001, which patches meltdown vulnerabilities for Mac OS, Hi Sierra, Sierra and El Capitan. Patches to Spectre are not specifically mentioned in the released notes, but the update does include patches to speculative execution vulnerabilities. So probably in there. And now we know how far back they go. Sorry, Snow Leopard. Hold out. You're screwed. This year, Google IOs Developer Conference is set for May 8th. Put it on your calendar. That is through the 10th at the shoreline amphitheater in Mountain View, California. Isn't that the same as the last two years where everyone got sunburned? Yeah. It's huge. I mean, it's a perfect place for Google because their headquarters are so close by. But yeah, it's a big outdoor, if it's a nice day, sunny, hot amphitheater. Also, do we think that Android P is Android Pineapple? That's the best guess I have. Well, it's the least candy sounding thing they've done. I know there's been talk of them getting away from desserts and things like that. So why not? I like a good pineapple. I like pineapple juice. Maybe I'll like Android pineapple. I don't know. I don't either, but we'll find out soon enough. Obviously, as the day gets closer, we'll probably hear a lot more about what Google's expected to announce. Now, here are some more top stories. All right. Well, Stripe is in the news. Ending support for Bitcoin payments. That's right. On April 23rd, that will be the last day you can make a Bitcoin transaction using Stripe or Stripe services. They are citing the cryptocurrency's and long transaction times, among other things. A decision likely to anger the easily provoked crypto fans out there. I know there's a bunch listening to the show. Very curious about that feedback. Stripe started talking about Bitcoin back in 2014 after the coin first topped $1,000 and people really started taking it seriously. The company insists, though, despite them dropping it in April, that this doesn't mean anything. That they are still optimistic about the cryptocurrency ecosystem moving forward. Well, nothing says optimism like saying we will no longer support this currency because it's volatile. I kind of don't buy that line. If they were confident in it or felt like things had a momentum they were good with, there would be no reason to drop it. There might be reasons to tweak how they handle it or to maybe partition it off in a way that makes the service easier to use between it and normal transference of regular money or regular currencies. Instead, I'm just left feeling like they're like, this is too volatile, too weird. It puts us in a potentially precarious situation and we don't want that here at Stripe as my gut feeling on this. I know that a lot of folks who are in the crypto game, as I like to say, do complain about long transaction times and the fact that a currency that you're trying to, I don't know, transfer to a wallet. That might take so long that the price is completely different by the time it gets to its destination and a company like Stripe that's no good for them if that's the business that they're in. And we are, I mean, we're in that era where this is a little bit of revolutionary era. This isn't like, okay, now where everything's calmed down and we can kind of get our heads around it. So it's going to be volatile for a while and honestly, I don't blame them. I could probably back off a little bit too. This seems like it could change any minute, any day, any hour. So why do you want to tie your wagon to that? Yeah, we'll tie your wagon to another Apple software update. This one is the first iOS 11.3 developer beta with new features for the iPhone and the iPad. A free public beta version, the company says will be available in the future. We don't have a date yet, but this is sort of unlike Apple to say, here's what's coming, here's what you're going to have and we're going to give you lots of information before you even have it rather than be secretive as it has in the past. Among the new features, Apple previewed iOS 11.3 with ability to turn off throttling of older iPhones and settings. This is kind of the controversial battery thing. It's turned on by default. Some of the folks that I know who get real fired up about iOS stuff on Twitter have complained that first of all shouldn't be turned on by default and that you should get a notification anytime you're being throttled, but not everybody agrees with that. Some other new features new Animoji and business chat and messages. Well, thank goodness there's a new Animoji. I'm actually kind of I mean, look some people listening to the show are like, Scott, you've been on here long enough that we know you're a little bit of an Apple fanboy. At the very least I use a lot of Apple stuff and so I don't want to sound like an apologist here, but I actually think that the way they handled this battery thing was pretty good. I mean, we would like to have known about it before, right? I don't like when things are being done or switched off behind the scenes and and and users aren't being told about it. So to find out about it the way that we did was kind of a bummer but them deciding to then go as transparent as possible in this new version and say it's a toggleable thing, I think is great. I'm not even I don't really have a problem with it being on my default. There's actually a reason that they did this performance hit means that, you know, people batteries are going to last longer and you're going to have to not feel bad about that as soon as you might otherwise. So I guess I kind of I feel like this is just about the rightest thing you could do barring, you know, the future future iPhones being a little bit better and better and battery tech, which isn't really an Apple problem. It's an everybody problem. So this is an interesting combination of that transparency mixed with, hey, also we're going to let you know early what some of these features are going to be. Feels like a a side of Apple we don't see every day. I also I'm with you if something is in settings like, okay, maybe I wish something was turned on by default when it's turned off. I mean, I don't know, but that's what settings are for. If you don't want to go in your settings and know what's there and know what your options are, then okay, well, you can live in a blissfully unaware world, but I don't think you can really get mad at Apple for offering a feature that it didn't have before. It's it's giving you more than what it had before because so many people were upset. Well, yeah, I agree. Google is about to give you more as well. They've announced a new version of G Suite designed for universities and other educational institutions called G Suite Enterprise for Education. Nice and boring, like always Google, that's fine. The new offering gives organizations an advanced security center for threat detection, mobile device management and the ability to host hangout calls with up to 50 participants. I would actually like to see how that goes. On top of the usual G Suite web apps, G Suite Enterprise for Education costs four bucks per user per month. Nice and cheap. I think this is great. They're generally speaking Google initiatives and education I think are really good and this is a solid one. A 50 person hangout could be very beneficial for certain kinds of classes. I know my daughter's got a couple of very remote classes that don't require classroom time as much as it does collaboration with other students at weird times. The idea that you could get most of her class in on a call with this teacher when needed in a remote way is pretty nifty. I think this is great. Yeah, Google does great stuff for educational institutions, both hardware software. Anytime I see a story like this I just think I wish I had all the stuff when I was still in school. Not that I couldn't go back, but it's just a very collaborative world now. I love the idea. First I said 50 participants in a hangout. That sounds like chaos. Let's say it's a small lecture. I've been in lots of those classes before where 50 students is not that small of a class particularly in college. One would assume like small Google hangouts, the host would have the ability to mute everyone or open it only to select people. That seems really cool, but I'm with you, man. Some of the stuff they're doing with kids like high school alone, my son can at any time, I can as his dad get on a phone app and go, well, you're showing four tardies in this class and you're missing three papers for this one. That's crazy. I would have loved that. Maybe I would have hated it because my grades sucked in high school. Imagine if we had those tools then. They don't know how good they have it. Yeah, kids. Say thank you. Tech has saved you. And your dad knows when you're skipping school. AT&T is calling on Congress for a national net neutrality law. Net neutrality law, rather. The company bought a series of full-page ads today in major newspapers, Washington Post, New York Times, with AT&T CEO Randall Stevenson proposing an Internet Bill of Rights that could help guarantee an open Internet, not just with telecom and cable companies but also tech companies. Think Google or Facebook. Many states are also moving to pass their own net neutrality rules. We talked about Montana the other day to replace the federal regulations passed by the FCC in December. Now critics, and I know I'm channeling Tom Merritt here, it's just, you know, how could we do a net neutrality story without him? But hey, news is news. Critics argue that AT&T's push is conveniently silent on paid prioritization and including companies like Facebook and Google seems like an attempt to muddy the debate a bit by conflating net neutrality with online privacy concerns. It's a little like asking Klingons to design the next enterprise. That's maybe a little extreme, but the idea is that they stand like other, you know, telcos and anybody else involved in the actual carriage of this data, they stand to gain a lot or to lose a lot or to be affected by any of these net neutrality changes that happen up or down the pole. So regardless of the politics involved, I'm all for a bill of rights kind of idea. I'm all for this idea of net neutrality as I have it in my head, but something tells me it's not the same as what AT&T has in their head. I'm going to step in and say it's a little rich for a company that spent untold sums of money to defeat net neutrality at the FCC to just turn around and say like, oh, we really need net neutrality for everyone. We need the internet bill of rights or a net neutrality bill of rights. So it's, you know, anyone with a good healthy level of skepticism is going to say sounds good on the face of it, but let's look at it and examine the issue a little more deeply. Yeah, I agree. And if they're not addressing the issue of paid tiers in this, you're not really having a conversation about net neutrality, it turns out. That was okay, because Tom's ghost is in here watching us right now, by the way. Can't you ever take a day off? So he's trying to make sure we get this right. Tom, we hope we did okay. We summoned him by saying net neutrality and he's like pops into this spreadsheet. Yeah. If I had to guess and I mean, you know, I just, you know, been trying to absorb this information all day, like what is AT&T doing here? It seems like AT&T is really worried that with all this state versus federal stuff going on and the states possibly getting enough power that this will turn into you know, illegal headaches for companies like AT&T that this strategy gets them out of that hot water. Yeah. That's what it seems like more than AT&T saying no, net neutrality is great. We're totally into it. Now let's throw Google and Facebook into the mix as well. Definitely a strike while it's hot moment and they're taking advantage of it. We'll see how it all pans out. Facebook in the news confirmed it's acquired. Confirm.io I forgot about that domain. Anyway, a startup with an API to verify government-issued identification cards the company launched in 2015 and uses mobile biometrics and facial recognition to confirm ID card information. Confirm.io announced plans. It would wind down current authentication software offerings and Facebook now owns them. I don't exactly have a good theory as to how they'll use this outside of I don't know, authentication to use their services. Well, you know, if somebody gets locked out of their account and you've got a top-notch biometric way to have that user be like, yes, it's me and Facebook has indicated that it wants to do more of that. Yeah, when I first read the story, I was like what do they care about government-issued IDs for? But it's not that. It's just that Confirm.io was doing that and was doing it well. So it's really it's the API that Facebook now has access to. Yeah, they have the money, so why not? Why not? All right, let's talk about Meg Whitman because she's got a new job. She is CEO or will be soon of a new venture backed by Katzenberg focused on short-form premium content customized for mobile. Okay, video, hard to say. We don't really know details within. Whitman announced last November she was stepping down a CEO at Hewlett Packard Enterprise though will remain on its board of directors. She starts her new rule on March 1st. It's based in Los Angeles, which is the headquarters for Katzenberg's holding company Winder Co. Well, okay. Meg's got a new job. We were talking a little bit about this in the pre-show that you know, if she was leaving HP to go to this new venture, we probably would have heard about that a couple of months ago. The fact that somebody who's very deep in the enterprise world and has been for decades really kind of going the start of routes. You know, it's Jeffrey Katzenberg, so there's money there, but it sounds like complete 180 from what she knows and has done for so long, which might not be a bad thing. Maybe she needed to change, but I would look at this more from the Katzenberg angle. He's, you know, one third of the founder of DreamWorks, very successful film executive for decades. Dude has a lot of money and all of his expertise is in film production and making hits and making deals. And this is probably something cool, different and attempt to maybe outdo Disney with Disney's streaming service is a pure guess on my part because I think a lot of people are going to start poking around in that space, but I think that's the guy you watch to kind of see what news we get out of this, given that she seems to be making what's, I mean, it feels like a 180 in terms of focus and rumors where people didn't like her very well at HP, so let's see if they like her over at Katzenberg USA. Let's see. Yeah, short form content optimized for mobile. I mean, I don't hate it yet. Especially from somebody associated with DreamWorks. Okay, everybody to get the tech headlines each day. You know, we have daily tech headlines too. Yes, we do. Head over to daily tech news dailytechheadlines.com I've never read this before, so please forgive me for screwing yet another thing up in the show. Hey, so Scott and Roger YouTube is in the news today for two very different things. Scott, you want to talk about the sort of good stuff or the bad stuff first? Well, all right. So we live in a weird YouTube time. There's a lot of YouTube news and none of it's great. Some of it's about demonetization. Some of it's about advertisers being put off by what more popular YouTubers are doing with their content. There's the recent I always want to say Aaron Paul. Sorry. And I want to then I want to say Ron Paul. It's the other Paul, whatever his name it. Logan Paul. Thank you. Two first names throws me off first backwards. Anyway, he in the light of things like that, high profile stuff like that, it does turn out that I guess maybe YouTube is interested in turning over new leaf or at the very least presenting a kinder gentler YouTube sources tell Bloomberg that YouTube is asked musicians not to disparage the company exchange for promotional support. Recently YouTube has been giving some musicians what's said to be a couple of hundred thousand dollars to produce videos and promote their work on billboards sources say YouTube's non disparagement agreement goes beyond a requirement not to criticize YouTube dozens of musicians sign a position in 2016 pushing for Congress to make YouTube and other free music services more responsible for policing copyright violations. So there's the music bit of it. They're making other efforts to try to encourage content creation that is not just nasty negative prank based all of that stuff. It's weird though that these are unnamed sources talking to Bloomberg about these non disparagement agreements which are very common in business. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've signed something saying if you leave this company you're not going to do these things or say bad things about the company. We're all used to that but for it to be kind of vague about not just saying something bad about YouTube but there might be more to it. Some folks have pointed to the fact that Morgan Spurlock YouTube had picked up a sequel to his Super Size Me movie and they had made a deal and he had come out publicly about some sexual harassment allegations that according to sources that blindsided the company that could be something that is part of this deal. Sure, you don't want creators who are monetizing on your network to be speaking ill of the network but then you also have creators saying well, okay, then you've got to make free music services a better deal for musicians. The fact that there are deals with some creators to get promotion and then those creators could never say anything bad just makes me wonder. The way this is going to play out for me is they're going to take it slow and they're going to poke here and there to see what the ultimate future of YouTube in these relationships are. The problem is they're more than just YouTube as a platform that you now work for. They're more than just an employee. Some people go from I'm making dumb video game movies on YouTube, oh my gosh I went viral and a year later I'm pulling in six figures from YouTube and I'm a huge sensation on there. Suddenly, you are not able to talk critically about the platform that isn't just your employer. They're just this ubiquitous thing. They're like Kleenex, they're like Band-Aid. They're so big you think of Internet video, you think of YouTube. So it's like me on a Twitch stream, I want to always feel like I can say man I really wish Twitch would fix this or I really wish Twitch would fix that. I want to be vocal about those things because that platform while it's benefitting me should benefit my viewers as well and improving is a good thing and I don't know what the limits are like what's disparaging and what isn't so this is dangerous territory and I feel like they're tiptoeing a little bit. Well and we're talking about yeah exactly if somebody is successful on YouTube and is monetizing and that's something like the Logan Paul incident that you mentioned something that a lot of folks thought was offensive tends to make advertisers go to. In fact, YouTube last year lost a bunch of advertisers kind of a backlash really over creators that were monetizing stuff that people thought was inappropriate or at the very least objectionable. So there's a creators for change summit happening in London. YouTube has had this program I believe since 2016 and announced that this year it will invest $5 million into the program including production and marketing support. Creators for change some details on who this might include Dina Tokyo is a British beauty vlogger who used her interview series Your Average Muslim to challenge perceptions about Muslim women. Another was Elfresh the Lion. I really need to spend more time on YouTube. These people sound great. There's a brilliant rapper of Sikh descent who created a two part track to challenge racism and so on. So these are creators that should be highlighted and I think YouTube is they should be backing more of this kind of behavior. It is a PR stunt if you want to be kind of cynical about YouTube. YouTube has had a tough time with people who are casually watching a video and saying, that's not cool. I don't like this. It shouldn't be on the network. YouTube needs to do something better about it. But then more importantly, advertisers saying we're not paying for this stuff. Goodwill was probably mandatory. I think at this stage to sum things up, I think YouTube is now in a position where they have to appease most of their customers. Their customers are not me as a creator. Their customers are not advertisers need to be happy and as this becomes more mainstream and everybody's got a YouTube channel and every major celebrity is using YouTube for their careers or whatever, it becomes more and more a question as to what can be considered content okay enough for Coke to advertise on or whoever it may be. That's who they're going to have to answer to. So if we see more stringent policies or them backing off this being a more open platform and closing it a little you really don't have to blame so much as you do the revenue stream which is their advertisers. So that's kind of the world we're in now how the shakes out in the next couple years will be very interesting. 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Scott, we were talking Tom and Veronica and I were talking on Monday about this whole idea of the cashier free Amazon store and we had an interesting actually in our YouTube comments funny enough a comment from Dano Manion who wrote, one thing I want to mention about the just walking out and automatically getting charged we should worry about is when prices are marked incorrectly one thing I love about self checkout is discovering how often the prices are mismarked get ready for a pricing game when we no longer have a visual reference of prices before we pay for things. Companies will double down on the lazy card and expect us to not put up a fight when we realize we were overcharged or it could be an opportunity to fix issues like this I'm not sure if they'll expect companies to work hard to do that though so are things mismarked all the time? I mean I run into this, sure I was at a Smith's locally it's a popular grocery chain here in Salt Lake City and got up to the self checkout area and there were two or three items that I'd gotten like an extreme sale on the shelf they were not registering properly had to wait for a guy, came over and says oh, you're right, these are wrong if I just walked out of there and something went blip and I wasn't able to find out until I got a receipt in my email two days later that would probably fire me up a little bit that being said, I get the feeling Amazon knows I think this is something they know and they know this is going to be a thing people will be skeptical about they're going to have to go overboard with showing us that they know how to do it right they do that now with returns they don't put you through the ringer if you've got to return something they barely ask you why they just want to make this an easy transaction I don't see how this is going to be any different so yes, I'm putting a little bit of trust on the corporate side and there's no reason they have to not flub on this but they've earned it with me I think it'll be okay it's an occasional mismarking between taking something off the shelf and it being incorrect at the register that's probably going to keep happening on some level but it's already part of life and yes, I agree with you Scott that maybe this is why Amazon took so long to get things going I wanted to make sure that that was not an issue that was going to make people lose confidence in the idea there better be a clarion call to all other big chains, Kroger, you listening whoever else out there listening to me y'all need to get a system going or else they're going to eat your lunch they have clear goals in the future this seems like something they're going to want in every town, USA and then out into the rest of the world and when they do that, you're all going to be pissed at Amazon again because they had an idea faster than you did I know they got deep pockets but I'm telling you right now you've got to come up with a way to match this and you've got to do it soon because they're lucky enough to not need transition they just go and have a store and that's how it's worked from day one they've got to start doing it now or else we're not going to have any competition in this market I really want to take a trip to Seattle and try this out and you know I was thinking originally it was like yeah because my local grocery store is like especially on Sunday afternoons because I always go on Sunday because I like to hurt myself the lines are crazy long and it's just a madhouse so I think like oh yeah you just free up the whole bottleneck checking out but also what about those times that I've really gone deep on the cookies and the wine and the mac and cheese it's like I don't have to look anybody in the eye I just leave I've bought my items and cashier doesn't look down and say like crazy cat lady got it I picked up a couple of action figures in the toy department no one has to look at that anymore no more embarrassment less friction less friction and shame alright well that is it for this edition of Daily Tech news show we got through it guys Scott couldn't have done it without you nobody I would rather have on a show without Merit than you so what's been happening since last time we saw you well I have a cool announcement that I made this morning on my morning show I may as well let people know about it here but there are a lot of shows you can go watch on Twitch live streams of people playing Dungeons and Dragons well we've been begged for years why isn't there a frog pants thing where I can watch live people I already like from your network playing a game of D&D or something like it and we finally decided it was time to make this happen so if you head on over to therewillbedungeons.com you'll find all the details you need to know about this Saturday's premiere it's a three hour event we're starting it 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it was awesome and thanks to everybody who joined us as usual you got titles roger yes we have I will also have a little signal I have a recording that I have to step out but I'll hang out as long as I can as soon as someone gives you the finger you have to go gotcha got it so apple leaves snow leopard out in the cold net neutrality with the ghost of Tom's past striped strips off bitcoin your dad knows when you're skipping school say net neutrality three times and Tom appears a kindler gentler youtube hand $5 million for change that's friction and shame $5 million for change is pretty good that's pretty good yeah I just like the change reference air quotes telephone and telegraph chips ahoy musicians can't agree to disagree with youtube youtube is like Kleenex the advert I mean customers always write we live in perilous times youtube time we live in perilous youtube times um I'm easy I I I like less friction and shame I know I said that and I was talking about amazon go but it just sounds like what's the shame about but I also liked stripes strips off bitcoin and I really like your dad knows when you're skipping school yeah that one's pretty good right I know so less friction and shame well with that less friction that means I'm terrified by it alright alright alright that stripes strips off bitcoin not bad net neutrality with the ghost of Tom's past not really okay guys I gotta jump off worries thanks see you tomorrow alright uh what should I get what should I get just because it fits the main topic but I the change one that I which one does the change oh five million dollars for change yeah that's good I liked about the the reference to change because change is money and also change is change and I don't know double in double in tundra oh I shouldn't do that that's concerned listen savor for Patrick he loves it do it on Tuesday you won't care alright thanks to everyone for watching I'm gonna stop the stream off early because I'm not since Tom's not here is gonna take me just a little bit longer to get the show out the door uh thanks again tomorrow we have Justin Robert Young and don't forget Friday is our round table show with Chris Ashley and um Shannon Morse it'll be a good show it should be good um the files in your uh is in a PM in Slack uh you'll have to do whatever you do with your your ID threes and stuff but other than that it's ready to go uh level 8 and all that so you don't have to do any editing thank you alright see you guys manana