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Like talking about like spider-man homecoming is it better than Avengers 1 is it better than Civil War, right? Yeah Yeah, I think it's unfair to judge a solo movie with a crossover movie like that because there's so much built-in history That goes into a crossover movie like that that it's like you you just it's just a different animal. I mean Okay, you can always compare one movie the other which one's better Citizen Kane or the Godfather, right? So in that respect you can say let's compare these two as movies But I get what you're saying which is the temptation is to say of the Marvel universe And then suddenly there's a different set of expectations a different set of things that the movies were trying to achieve and You can't really it's not apples to apples anymore So I mean I can compare the Godfather 2 to the 1997 King of the Rig Exactly, exactly. No, exactly. And then that's the problem with which movie is better It's like well in what respect to be you know If you want to say I like this one better than the other one and leave it at that It's fine if you want to start getting into a debate about it Then you have to start saying well, what do you mean by better? What are the criteria? What are we actually comparing things can be good in different ways people didn't bring different experiences into their view Yeah Spider-man is like winner-soldier. Yeah, it all fireman is no Casablanca No Although I would but the King of the Ring I had a costume. Oh, you would you would do that I don't need control. You get it. Yes. Yes, indeed Casablanca is the perfect movie If you had Casablanca Like a movie that basically, you know, it's Casablanca mixed over with like the wrestler We're king of the ring king of the ring Matilda the original Matilda won't the boxing kangaroo. I thought we had more time, but we have to start the show Hey, Justin you want to try something you ready to you want to experiment? Yeah, what up? Why don't you read line three and then I'll start the music You three got it. All right. Are you ready? Yeah The Daily Tech News I Give you a three-two count. Sorry. Catch it. Wait, you're gonna give me a three-two. Yeah, you give me. I give you Okay, how about I point? Let's do that. I got down. I can get there. All right. Three two The Daily Tech News show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, July 13th Thursday the 13 2017 I've done very pretty me Justin Robert Young host of politics politics politics night attack weird things 1-800 wrestling hotline Monday The creator of co-creator of action news the card game and so much more welcome to the show Justin I really got to stop doing stuff like I gotta I gotta knock it off. You're channeling the voice inside my own head Yes, geez. Yeah. No it listen it is as always an honor and a pleasure to be a part of this program We are gonna follow up a tiny bit on that neutrality from yesterday at the very end of the show But for those of you who are like got enough Don't worry. Most of the show is about luxury phones and putting diamonds on them Well, not most of the show. We've got other stuff though. Let's start with a few tech things. You should know AMD announced prices for its new thread ripper CPUs the 16-core 1950 X will sell for a thousand bucks the 12-core 1920 X will sell for $799 and those are both Significantly cheaper than comparable Intel parts AMD says they'll begin shipping Ryzen thread ripper CPUs and motherboards in early August and Pre-orders for the Alienware area 51 systems that contain the chips begin July 27th LG has sent a press release for an announcement on Thursday August 31st a day before the IFA show begins in Berlin The image on the invite suggests a V possibly meaning a V series of phones Which are usually announced at this time of year and now here are some more top stories We'll discuss a little more Uber has agreed to merge its Russian ride hailing business with the yandex's ride hailing business Yandex is the top search engine in Russia But also like many search engines has other businesses and they had a ride hailing business that was pretty successful So they're teaming up with uber the combined company will cover 127 cities across six countries mostly Former Soviet Republics Russia Azerbaijan Armenia Belarus Georgia and Kazakhstan actually all of them are former Soviet Republics now I'm thinking about yandex will own 59.3% of the combined company So they'll have the controlling interest to uber keeps 36.6% the rest is going to be owned by employees Yandex estimates the combined company will start with about five to six percent of market share in the Russian taxi Industry so this looks a lot similar to a deal that uber made with a Chinese company to effectively pull out of them Operating the business but still owning a fair portion of it We would imagine probably contributing some kind of tech framework, right? Yeah, I would I would assume so They're obviously gonna they're gonna merge their their tech that and that never had goes goes without problems So that'll be interesting I wonder how it's gone over in China and China it felt much more like an abandonment to me Where they just couldn't get going whereas this feels like they had a significant presence But they realized that they could probably make more money and cut their costs a little more which they need to do these days by combining with yandex so I Don't think you can look at this as a kind of a fallout It's tempting as it might be to say oh this is because of colonic or all the controversies This is probably a move that if they had had no other issues over the past two years Would be seen as a perfectly legitimate business move and deciding. Hey, you know it problematic market Maybe a native company is better to operate in it and yeah, you're right for uber Specifically if some of the rumors that maybe they're pushing closer and closer to an IPO They want to maybe pull in a little bit of the unrestrained growth Urge and and pull into the let's be as close to profitability as possible. Yeah, yeah Bloomberg reports oculus plans to announce a wireless VR headset later this year for as little as $200 shipping in 2018 the device supposedly code named Pacific would be lighter than the Samsung gear VR. It would run a snapdragon chip, but not have positional tracking Facebook has said it's working on a device code named Santa Cruz which would be a wireless version of Oculus Rift Yeah, so this is this is not something Facebook has denied working on a standalone device But they were talking at the Oculus Rift level and talking about it being a little farther out Bloomberg sources seem to say that they've basically taken the gear VR and put put something in it Instead of a phone so that you don't need to put a phone in in it, but it's also standalone So you just charge it and connect it to internet and you can put it on Wherever the the article kind of talks about how this would be the sort of thing you can carry with you on a plane For instance and just put on you wouldn't have to put your phone in it or attach it to a computer or anything like that so 200 bucks definitely the price point that gets people to adopt this sort of thing and gets rid of a lot of the other objections when it's like Well, I don't have the right phone, or I don't want to have to plug it into anything Yes, and Channel tracking and what I would hope that as Oculus Rift moves forward understanding where they are at the marketplace That is a priority for them I do believe that the future of this entire market is in something that is not connected to a computer, but There really really needs to be an emphasis if you are going to charge a significant amount of money And I would say $200 is on the light end of that To have the best possible experience This is effectively and this is effectively the gear VR or a a Google Daydream Experience that I'm putting the phone in there I don't quite know if that juice is worth the squeeze for people. It's a travel device. Okay? You've traveled enough You know what a pain it is to prop that tablet up on the tray table To squint at that little screen that they gave you to try to figure out how to get your laptop to work I mean throw this thing on in a hotel room in an airplane And suddenly you've got a big hundred inch screen Wherever you are with good quality headphones sound potentially I Can see there being a market. It's not the widespread VR market necessarily, but there could be a market for that yes, I can understand that dream experience and and I Would much rather squint at a screen than be the the guy with the gigantic goggles on in What do people do on planes Justin they put on eye patches This thing could have a have an automatic sensor that said oh when we see your eyes closed We just turn off just Sleeper with your eye patches on this is on the other end. You know like a baseball, of course They have the Mendoza line as the yes ending of who's a good I would say for public embarrassment I'm going to set the Google glass line and this falls But how much would you pay for the Google glass line to be crossed I I don't know man when you're sitting on a plane I don't think anybody cares. I don't I really don't and when you're alone in your hotel room. Nobody cares When you're yet, but even then are we really clamoring for a more high fidelity experience? In Odell room, maybe we are where we will say yeah Mark Sullivan at Fast Company has a source who says that Apple is working to add a Rear-facing 3d laser system to the iPhone possibly by this autumn so it could be in the next iPhone Maybe the system would add better depth detection for augmented reality and improve autofocus KGI analysts Ming-chi close previously reported lasers would be used for the front-facing camera for 3d selfie effects and facial recognition so seems pretty likely that Apple is messing with lasers on the phone somehow and Lumentum finis are and a company called to six are expected to provide the parts the VC SEL parts for these and Lumentum and finis are both publicly discussed upcoming large part orders That was causing a lot of people to go away. Does that Apple? So lending go even another little piece of credence to this Now this is something that I think really could break into a device market So let's understand these are Apple rumors either it's going to be in this one or it's going to be in the next one Ming-chi quo has a very very good track record stuff like this But let's let's take our last conversation right about a standalone device about Justin's crippling worry about embarrassment in public Yeah, okay number one There's a reason why glass holes became glass. Oh, don't act like this is just me being the school marm, right? All right. All right fair enough fair enough Persistent problem with that product that I believe with something else that would be bulky if Apple got into this space and let's imagine that Apple was able to do something that looked good and fashionable In terms of an AR version a heads-up display that took advantage of a lot of the AR stuff that they are already putting into phones I think that tech like this is More likely in an AR heads-up display situation Able to break into the market then let's say a standalone phone-less version of That kind of VR of well and and the and the reason that you're probably right is People when given the choice between buy a thing that does this one thing or buy the thing that does a version of that plus a Bunch of other things will buy the thing that does multiple things. That's been proven time and again, right? That's why we don't have a lot of mp3 players for sale anymore, but I do Think that the other thing to consider here is that Apple may not go after the headset right away I'm I'm I'm not sure whether iPhone with iOS 11 and AR kit Will have a even a third-party accessory That is approved by Apple to stick that thing on your head all of the demonstrations all of the early AR buzz Generally revolve around things you can do with it in your hand rather than VR like experiences I I totally agree and and I think that it is not first up to bat I think that they are going to prove a our kit as its own thing and then I Think it is it is a feta complete that they will put that on your head because ultimately that's at some point, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but when we talk about the future of what is something that you want to permanently wear on your face or wear On your face for long stretches during the day or even have a consistently a consistent relationship where you want to put it on You know multiple times a week. I think that that that to me is closer to where It gains widespread availability Hmm Google in other words Apple will make something nicer that that you won't be embarrassed to wear in public Not only like let's take a look at it, right? I just think that that That juice is worth the squeeze that like that that the idea of Just imagine if we could actually have what Google promised us in that first Google glass display, right? where it was just Directions in in free floating in the center of your vision And and less obtrusive right? I mean that's the key don't put something that's gonna be like hanging over my face Yeah, and then doesn't give me more than a postage stamp of that I think you look like a board get a key party. Yeah. Yeah speaking of Google They launched its backup and sync from Google tool which replaces both the Google Drive and Google photos desktop app Desktop apps it can automatically back up holders as well as photos from USB devices and SD cards Files will be accessible on Google Drive for many device and photos from Google photos G suite users are advised to wait for the drive files system a drive files stream meant for businesses next year Yeah, so this is uh, this is A nice kind of a side side line here is this is a continuing trend of of Google to say These are our consumer tools. These are our business tools Yeah, whereas in the past you sort of just blurred from one end to the other right you were a google drive user And if you're a g-suite user you use the same login sometimes for the google drive So uh, they're trying to differentiate that while simplifying and I think this is mostly a great move just to say Hey, guess what when you're taking data and putting it in our cloud You only need one tool We don't care if it's a spreadsheet or it's your photos or whatever and your photos will show up in google photos And your spreadsheets will show up in google drive, but you only need the one tool to make it happen for you What really struck me about this is I still feel that one of the great Misses for google was not just getting into this space free drop box. Uh, I mean it has to be close to 10 years ago, uh, they were in prime position To to launch the infinite store everything and then pay a little extra if you are using it for Enterprise or business level back then infinite storage for them was the reason why they could afford to break the paradigm with gmail You know their whole ideal is never delete an email again This was something that I very very very much think they have to look back on and say man We could have got into this harder early US general services administration has removed kaspersky labs from its list of approved vendors Uh, it doesn't mean a government agency could not use kaspersky, but they'd have to jump through a lot of hoops Probably not worth it. Uh to be able to use them. So that's going to reduce kaspersky's business Quite a bit us intelligence and law enforcement officials expressed concern about kaspersky to congress last month kaspersky has been denying That there is any concern. They say they don't have any ties to any foreign government Or any government all uh and claim that it is being unjustly accused Now this is a story that we almost didn't put it Right. Yeah, because a lot of this has to do with well, what do you think are the real motivations of the government? What do you think is really going on with kaspersky? Uh, there's there's been rumors about kaspersky being related to the fsb Intelligence agency in russia, etc. etc. And those are all social and political stories. There's not really too much technology here except that If kaspersky can't be used by the government that might affect your job, especially if you're a government contractor, right? Yeah, uh, it could also mean that kaspersky starts losing funds And kaspersky has been one of the leaders in identifying malware and fighting malware around the world And if they don't have as much funds, they can't do as much of that Yeah, you know and and and there's really not a ton more to say than that other than What this feels like to me is Jostling and jockeying amongst Uh government contractors, uh, you know government contractors buy hard Make their money because they get government contracts and and they Are uh, do whatever by whatever means necessary to get more of them and to have them grow year on year If kaspersky now finds itself in an unsavory political situation being a russian company in a climate where Russia is is obviously in in A bit of the crosshairs with elements of our government then They are going to be easy pickings and it's a shame because by all General accounts it seems like they are a first in class company when it comes to cyber security in a time when we need cyber security More than ever. Yeah, so whether the u.s. Government should or should not be doing this We'll leave two other shows to discuss until There is evidence that kaspersky has done something Yeah, and by evidence. I don't mean someone saying they did but like, you know vetted Other security researchers going well. Actually. Yeah, you know what there they are So we'll we'll leave that to that Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes You can get it several ways if you're in the us amazon echo flash briefings available Anywhere in the world you can get the anchor app anchor dot fm or you can subscribe to the podcast That is the least fettered way to get it at daily tech headlines dot com Oh, um, I don't like the fetters. No, don't prefer the fetters unless it's fetterer My wife is a big fan of and good luck to mr. Roger He's doing well at what is what is this week the wimbledon's Wimbledon not done right ton wibbled ton Wimbledon It's spelled with a d or you did you pronounce it with a d? Is that what you're saying? We'll leave that to the grammar girl podcast until such time as there's evidence about which way we should It matters in your time. Yeah, let's talk about luxury phones because that's something we all can identify with Should I best put diamonds on my cell phone? Well, you've got one less option today rich people luxury phone maker Virtue will shut down its uk manufacturing operations in the layoff 200 workers vertu began not recently you might want to say, oh, yes I'm startup that thought they could make a ton of no vertu has been going since 1998. It used to be part of nokia nokia sold it to a private equity company in in 2012 Company called eqt then eqt sold it on to a chinese company in 2015 called godin holdings and most recently that company sold it to a Turkish exile who lives in paris mr. Marat hakan uzan in 2016 And uzan has not been able to make a go of it So he's shutting down for now although uzan hopes to resurrect the company in the future. He still holds the name Uh, the the license to use the name all of that So this may be not the end of vertu, but Justin One of the things that I read I think it was in the verge story Was that the fact that you can get a third party to take any phone you want a galaxy s8 an iphone whatever And put diamonds on it or make it louis vitan case or the fact that you can modify an existing cool phone Meant that a lot of people weren't willing to pay Thousands of dollars for the vertu phone even though it had a sapphire screen and ran android and all this stuff I guess that is what is fascinating to me is that now The technology and by the technology I mean specifically the operating system and everything else that you can do with it because we live in a world Where what you want to do on your phone the worth of your phone beyond its ostentatious? Look is really what it can do for you These are very powerful machines and for many people and I would take a wild guess A lot of people who also think it would be smart to put $10,000 worth of diamonds on a phone Uh This is their primary computer so Are you willing to be? possibly behind On the the grand curve of technology to be uh To be uh, uh, you know balling and blingin With with a phone that might not be a top of the line Android or a top of the line iphone and what I said to you during our little meeting beforehand Was that I think the bigger issue is that the iphone is Luxury the the the richest people have an iphone or and I'll amend that to say also a top and A galaxy right all right all right So when we were when we were talking about that my immediate response was but an iphone ain't luxury an iphone cost you a thousand dollars tops Which I know sounds like luxury to you and me, but we're talking about virtue phones costing an excess of $30,000 sometimes right so this is the people who are like no, I don't I'm not gonna buy a piddly little thing I want to buy something really valuable So to me it's not about the iphone itself being luxury I don't think they buy the iphone because the iphone is luxury. I bet people are doing this with the galaxy s8 too I think what they're saying is I don't want an older version of android. I don't care about 24 7 concierge help Yeah, I don't care about hand assembled processors What I care about is the operating system. I want the most recent Usable operating system and then I'll pay 30 000 to have somebody Put jewels on it or whatever else I want to do I guess that's what i'm saying though is that that It's amazing and it really is a testament to kind of where we are as a culture that You're right The coolest most luxurious thing you can have Is an up-to-date i a up-to-date os that has all the cool apps like that that's that is Luxury and and to a certain extent between android and and the iphone You know that has been kind of democratized Uh, there is my mom living on a fixed income in an assisted living place with her Son paying for her subscription to the cell phone service Has a an iphone that costs zero dollars, you know, because it was part of a year contract Same same operating system. She's using the same operating system as somebody who could afford to drop 30 000 on a phone As warren buffett. I don't know what operates. Yeah, right. I don't know warren buffett seems like he's more sensible about his Money, but yeah, yeah, somebody asked buffett, uh, some kind of kardashian Yes, that's as kim kardashia. He's getting into snapchat kerfuffles uh I mean it really is kind of uh to me a c change and really we talk very often in broad strokes about how the nerds won Well, guess what? This is a huge part of a huge element of that because what we are seeing is You know watches watches are always going to cost a lot of money because they are this Mechanical thing where you are going to value how handmade it is Unless somebody hand makes or hand codes An operating system argument here's where something would be worth 30 000 Let's go into a fantasy splinter universe where steve jobs is Healthy alive for whatever reason through scandal run out of apple again Yeah, he assembles a group of people that create or johnny ive leaves apple, right? And and also takes a bunch of ios devs and says you want to know what I am building the brand new phone The iphone's passe here is a luxury only Unique design by johnny ive I am I am making my own The the os that apple would never let me supervise This is going to be 30 000. What and I think what's interesting about that is it's hard to visualize what that would be able to do That apple can't that would be worth walling off and charging more for and I and I think that's the point is What makes a good user interface for any phone at any level? Makes a good user interface for a luxury phone, which is why people are like, yeah, I'm not going to buy this ver 2 I'm going to take a good user interface phone and I'm going to put my own stamp on it You know, I'm going to bedazzle it or I don't bedazzling is not what celebrity rich people do I'm guessing but you know what I mean like I can modify it with a case Essentially, but the with the innard when I buy a phone. I'm just buying the innards in that situation And and really no matter what's on the inside or the outside of it The people that have the kind of money that are spending it on this. What do they really want it for? How fast is instagram run? How fast how how efficient is the email? Am I going to make sure that I get every email the people is that camera work for my selfie? Yeah camera work, right? And that's where you want to talk about another triumph of the app store the app store for both google and and ios Are the reason why? This other market doesn't exist because let's say johnny i've left Let's say that he made a gorgeous phone that is better looking than anything else It's got to run either ios or or Otherwise who else is making all these apps for yeah microsoft's at the door going Hey, you know i'm getting those apps from people getting those developers. That's that's harder than it looks Yeah, we're microsoft we can literally throw money around like almost no company in the history of western civilization And we couldn't build an app store. Yeah for phones anyway Well folks, uh, I hope that helps the few of you who are worried about where to get your diamond encrusted phones Uh, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories to vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com a couple emails here before we get out of the way Hunter from finally not so humid wisconsin says not sure if this applies to the diy Versus di fm discussion. That's do it for me if you're not aware I refuse to apply my own screen protectors to my devices No matter what I do There's always some kind of dust or bubble on the screen when i'm finished So I have resorted to purchasing them at radio shack and paying to have them put it on for me Is it just me or do these things give you guys trouble as well? I have never really been able to uh, uh I've given up on dust. I've given up on dust and sweat. I'm a very greasy man and It's my uh, my my laptop or my phone It's it's it's a losing battle. I'm always looking so you're like no screen protector. Forget it. I just give up No, I don't yeah I mean, I have a I have a case right so uh, as long as I don't drop it right on its face But also when it comes to phone man Oh jeez. I I have a death grip. I I I never I'll never let it go. I don't even use a case on my phone right now I'm the wrong person to ask here, but when I did put these screen protectors on my pda's reaching back here Uh, yeah, I never could get it bubble free either. I know what he's talking about Do you want to take the next one? Sure. Yeah, uh, I like the metaphor as the internet as a gaggle of boats Lashed together on the open ocean to create an island The island exists because each person has built their boats and connected them to the boats nearby If you want goods from one side of the island you got to pass through the territories of the other boats to get there If everyone starts walling off their section of the island and charging for passage then the island becomes difficult to navigate So much so that people don't want to leave their side of the island to get things because it's too much hassle I do not agree that since internet doesn't fully fit in the telecom service or info service buckets Maybe we need a new bucket. Sorry. I do agree that just because it doesn't fit into the telecom service or info service buckets Maybe we do need a new bucket What things do you feel like that bucket needs to cover? I kind of feel like data caps should be included as much as network prioritization does Thank you for the wonderful informative content every day Uh, thank you josh schneider for that and uh josh and I had a lovely email conversation about this stuff I thought his expression of the metaphor of the internet as a gaggle of boats was so well put uh way better than my Fumbling attempts to make a lake metaphor yesterday. This is this is really good And then yeah, what what what kind of thing needs to go into these buckets is a is a great thought I mean data caps is not a net neutrality Thing but it's the kind of thing that doesn't apply to telecommunications or information services that maybe you would consider At least identifying In in some kind of new regulation about internet you may say that you know data data caps are allowed And however, if they're if they're too restrictive, you can there'll be a complaint process with the ftc, right? I mean you you can do all kinds of things if you're writing from scratch that identify Particularly things about the internet that are specific to how the internet works Yeah, and I think that the reasonable minds can disagree on exactly what we want of sure law, right? But I do think that there is no it is to me A fairly non political issue To say if you believe that the government should totally control the internet or you believe that the internet should be wild and free uh We should have the government should have a Fair and understandable idea of what it is You know, uh, even even if just on the far libertarian side So we can know what it should and shouldn't restrict Or on the the more authoritarian side do say because we need to know what we can how we need to keep these companies in line So, uh, uh, uh, there is no doubt that it needs its own bucket and that we need to understand Yeah, I mean Everything that you have done to educate people on this and every other version of your show about What is the internet technically? and where companies decide to put in at sometimes reasonable other times artificial roadblocks that trigger payment is very very very important for us to get a better idea of and On one hand you can only hope that as you know politicians cycle and we get younger politicians in there that have grown up with the internet Or have a little bit more of a curiosity as to how these things work that maybe we will get a better idea but I do think that it is high time high past time That we Take this out of we stop trying to regulate the internet like it's a foreign system because yes You know what? Ajit Pai is right. It doesn't make sense to regulate the internet like it's a telecommunications service It also doesn't make sense to regulate it like it's cable television service Which is the other option right now. So neither one of them make sense That's kind of the conclusion that I came to anyway And that and that's the other thing is that I will I will put down the bet that when we uh measure from stem to stern the entire history of telephone usage wired telephone usage or or Over the air telephone usage and uh cable usage that the internet will dwarf it The internet will will go on far longer than either of the with those two industries Will largely because the internet can replicate both of those industries So we need to start thinking of it as its own thing because it will eventually subsume both. Yeah You know what's going to subsume your brain these days though. That's the new game action news at actionnewsgame.com Oh man, um, all right. 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Uh, uh, it's it's a it's a it's a gross thing that we shouldn't use Is the title but it's my favorite way to describe somebody with google glass on there. All right, all right All right, uh, I got a um One more thing lasers some kind of kardashian In russia yandex drives uber right Uh in russia yandex ubers you Once laser credence Um Putin a r on your head diamond phone also loses the dog vote Sorry diamond club no diamond phone for you Get this vr on this plane It's the allen parson's iphone Like the allen parson's project. Yeah Um one more thing lasers Kapersky says nyet two government influence Pacific rift Tom thinks vr on the plane is a good idea just disagrees I kind of like one more thing lasers One more thing lasers Yeah, because there could be lasers coming out of both sides of this thing Yeah Could be lasers all around even in your eyes when you're not looking especially when you're not looking um Diamonds are forever virtue not so much So uh I promised That I would tell a story That was told to me yesterday as I started talking about The monica lawinsky card in action news friend contacted me and uh Told me a story about meeting monica lawinsky. Oh really I can tell that story here if you would like it's not gross or weird Okay So thank you for that reassurance I just want to make sure that that you i'm not i'm not putting anything on the after show that that that Shouldn't be there. Okay So friend of mine is at a uh a bit of a a suare he works in the And uh, this is like a big end of the year gala got it and uh everybody from uh, this is an international media conglomerate a lot of people are there one of the people that uh Got effectively an editor at large uh thing That uh, I don't know. I don't know. It was like she wrote like guest Columns or something like that. All right. All right was monica lawinsky And so gotcha. Yeah, which makes perfect sense, right? Right and this was a writer the kind of person you hire as an editor at large or guest columnist It's yeah, so in doing the cyber bullying thing and and uh good work good work by monica and certainly somebody that Knows well what it's like to have that happen so uh The part of the gala is there are people there in power that are constantly mingling and moving around and Making sure people are talking and meeting each other and stuff like that So my friend Is uh at a stable and he's having a good time And next thing you know, this person in power comes by and says Oh for the purposes of this What we'll call them, uh Eduardo Okay, Eduardo Uh, uh, have you uh, I really need you to meet this person and in tow Is monica lawinsky you have to eat monica sure because writing columns for us So now my buddy Eduardo has A real question You have just been introduced by somebody very high up in your company monica lawinsky. Mm-hmm How do you I mean like because it would be rude to be like, oh my god You're you right like yeah, you're playing it. You're that monica lawinsky But you don't want to totally underplay it to to offend you don't want to pretend like you don't know who she is right Yeah, it's very very awkward and this is a this is a so the opening gambit would for me would be like Oh, it's very nice to meet you right So where does Eduardo go with this? Eduardo Because a lot of this is high celebrity You know the the the media organization does deal with celebrities a lot He has found in general that You either usually first come in with a compliment of the work And then you immediately make it as normal as possible, right? But since he doesn't want to even hint around her fame I'm a big fan of your work says knots. Yeah, that's probably down where you want to go, right? He instead says, uh, oh hi I'm Eduardo. I do this job at this company Uh, uh What do you do? So totally plays it. Yeah, he underplayed. Okay Assuming that she would look at that as a kindness That like, okay, like I'm giving you control of the conversation here. Yes, right You talk about whatever you want Of course, everybody knows who you are. I'm asking what you do here. Yeah, you know, like what are your columns about not Yeah, okay. So it's like that's how he met it. I'm sure how he met he meant it like You can now, uh, uh, either I'm the only person on the planet who doesn't know who you are or I am being very nice and you can you can go ahead and and and take the conversation Uh, she immediately becomes offended. Oh geez Uh, which I also anticipated when he said, what do you do? Yeah, because She being an intelligent human being knows that he does know who she is And takes it as I'm going to pretend that that you're not that important So at that point he goes in to, uh, uh An immediate let me just make the conversation kind of rude, right? Okay, where she lives, uh, but they were in Let's say new york and uh, he was like Like, oh, uh, how long you here for and she's like, you know pretty quick vacation about a week Okay, uh, where are you staying? Oh at this hotel Oh, wow that hotel, uh, you know, they have the most amazing champagne cocktails Have you had one of their champagne cocktails yet? Good move. Good move. Yeah. No Oh, she's done. She doesn't want to talk to him. She's just done just over it, right? Right most awkward conversation He's ever had in his entire life and now Not but minutes after being introduced to Monica Lewinsky He immediately finds himself trying to find any opportunity to extircate himself from a conversation with Monica Lewinsky Right and she's not she's not gonna do him the kindness of like, oh, I'm so sorry. It was really nice to meet you I have to go say hi to someone, right? She's just letting him hang because she had to be brought over there by the power that be so she So now she can't leave, right? It's at that point that he realized something that his brain probably realized immediately upon meeting her That Monica Lewinsky in 2016 Is that this big fancy party? meeting big fancy people wearing what he later confirmed through online research Is an almost carbon copy of a blue cocktail dress I don't even know how that bears on his Gambit and her reaction, but it sure just makes everything that much extra So he's panicked. He's like, how do I go? How do I go? How do I go? And then he realizes it and now he's totally frozen Yeah, I do what to do because now that's all he can where'd you get that? Yeah, you know, I mean complimenting the outfit is usually a very good, uh, route to go, right? Sure But it's not like oh, look at that. It really Yeah, but no that was it was just uh, so yeah, I mean it's 2016 Could he go with the like, uh, so, uh, is that a blue dress or is it really white and gold? That's a great white and gold dress you have Which one do you see? I mean, listen, there I have I have a tremendous amount of, uh, Eddie from Monica Lewinsky, uh, somebody actually I think rightly made Rose, uh, the the issue on Twitter today that that he wishes that we had not Put that put her name on the card Uh, initially her name wasn't on the card for action news Uh, and really the story that you have to read does not mention her name. It just meant that Uh, a a then little known website drudgerport.com, right? It's more about the breaking of the story than it is about her Yeah, it's not about her you know Unfortunately, we're in a situation with uh, with with you know that kind of infamy is like She became one of the most famous people on the planet In in the last days of the monoculture like few people will be as famous or his name recognized as Monica Lewinsky the Forever right and until we have some other media hegemony. Yeah, I mean No, I imagine she'll be uh, the the teapot dome scandal of a future generation where you're like I kind of remember that name, but what was it again? Yeah, I mean, would you say Monica Lewinsky was bigger than Watergate globally, right? Like Name recognition wise. I don't know. I think that would be hard to say about that one I don't know. Watergate got a lot of traction over a globally Yeah, I mean if that's true, which it may be it would only be because of the pervasiveness of media being wider That would be my argument is that everybody was just more connected globally Yeah, because everybody who followed news Watergate was much bigger. But yeah, there are people in the world who just they didn't have televisions in 1972 People I mean people overseas who might not know exactly what Watergate is knows Generally, it's a political scandal involving the president. Yeah And I think the same thing is true of Monica Lewinsky. Well, yeah, so I don't think one is one is higher than the other I think probably about the same Oh, no, I would I would think so Well, because well if you control for inflation, so to speak maybe Well, also, it's just a more it's a story more prone to threat You know because locally if you don't care about american politics You could care if the president got impeached every day. I don't know man I don't know when the soviet union is still a cold war threat and the president of the united states resigns That's a big deal worldwide versus the president got impeached, but he didn't resign. Also, there's no soviet union No, but again again, you guys are only thinking of the actual Consequences, I'm thinking. No, I'm not I'm thinking of like I live in a country that is going to get blown up by one of these two people So I'm one of these days And one of them just fell from power. I'm worried, right? That's that's that's how I'm thinking of it I'm I'm thinking of it as the story with The more salacious aspect I disagree. I think because the impact of watergate What like basically what tom was alluding to Was probably more More near and dear to most people than uh, it's fun. Watergate happened Free cnn free internet. Yeah, but everyone so this is the thing how you know watergate is Is a cultural mean globally every time there's a political scandal no matter what country it is They add the word gait, okay? That's because that's because a journalist in dc nerds are lazy and I Don't these aren't american journalists. These are journalists in australia south africa in europe in canada latin america I know what you're getting at justin though is that Lewinsky story appeals to people who don't care about politics And I guess what I was trying to say is more people cared about politics in that particular case of nixon But you're not wrong that if I'm somebody in 1972 is like I don't even want to know if the world's gonna blow up I don't want to know. Yeah, they ignore watergate. Whereas that same person In the same conditions goes way. He did what exactly and it becomes a way to judge america and america's puritanical culture, right? Yeah, yeah, but that's that's anything america does that has a country fall flat on its face Right, I mean, it's I would say it's not just monocle winsky. It's the x on valdez. It's uh, you know bp Oil spill in the gulf. I mean, it's it's a multitude of things. I don't think that's a stand I think the standard is like whether or not you can ask a person In any country in any global capital around the planet And ask them do you know monocle winsky? Do you know watergate and see who what has a bigger ranking a name recognition? I think is I'd be curious. You know kv says where would the trump stuff fit in? I I don't think that the the trump stuff Trump getting elected Would dwarf anything that's happening afterward globally Like trump getting elected is still the big story Is it I think now it's just trump It's just the guy Or me I shouldn't say no no I take that back not the guy but trump the The experience right because really when people say trump it's not just him they're talking about everything that's attached To him including him but like whether it's family members, whether it's associates, whether it's the government It's it's I'll tell you what's true right now is that you can't have a rational conversation about it Yeah, that I agree that that that was sort of true about nixon. It really was I think people forget how true it was But I think it's I think it's even It's a kind of the same thing as what we're talking about like because of the the spread of media It's it's amplified because of that Um, well, hey everybody Thanks for hanging around. 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