 Jerome, if you want to start rolling. So I have 6.04. I'd like to call the July 13th, 2021 regular governing board meeting of CB Fever to order. Thanks for everybody that have showed up here and that are attending remotely. This is a bit awkward, but thankfully, there was this amazing gigantic television monitor that I'm using with my laptop and I'm hoping that that's gonna work. So we have Orca here physically and we have Orca in the meeting as well. Oops, I forgot one step. I have to start the, actually, no, I don't have to start the recording because Orca's recording. Okay. You're gonna get us on that? Yeah, probably. So I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna look at you and then I'll look down at my agenda back and forth. So if I look weird, that's what I'm doing. Okay, are there any additions or changes to the agenda? Okay, hearing none, let's move along. Now public comments, any commentary from folks about items that are not on the agenda? Okay, hearing none. I move that we approve the consent agenda which includes the approval of the minutes from June 8th, June 10th, and July 6th. Second. Okay, seconded by Siobhan. Any further discussion? If Allen's okay with it, I'm okay with it. Okay, so Allen's okay with it so I will declare that unanimous under Allen's dictatorial decree. Please don't let the minutes reflect that, Christian. Does it turn a phrase in? Okay. Speaking of minutes, do we have somebody who's taking minutes? Yes, Christian from CBRVC is here. Thank you, Christian. Clerk's report, I believe Jeremy sent a report. Oops, if I can find it. He said he didn't have anything to report except that those minutes were there. Oh, well, that makes things rather a lot easier. Does anybody have any sort of clerk-related questions that they would like to ask or have resolved? I'm gonna take that as a no. Hold on one second. I'm having a bit of a network lag from Google. Hold on. Is it Starlink? No, this is Google doing it because we're on the Berlin elementary connection right now. I'm just having issues with Gmail. It wouldn't be a CV5 per meeting without internet trouble. That's true. Anybody else having internet trouble that they wanna talk about while I'm... Oh, well, we had a regular... Waitesfield's Champlain Valley Telecom and Wild Cable and not as fast up as I'd like to see. It's way more stable than that Starlink. We had our semi-annual outage degradation and I got a technician who actually did talk down to me from CCI and gave me his name so I could text him next time I put in a ticket. And he actually told me, yeah, I had to replace the plugs, which they never admit, so. Well, that's cool. Here we go. Okay, sorry about that, folks. Okay. Upgrade from validated communications. I've now got eight megs. Wow. That's like a special... Put her down. That's like getting up from your crawling position and starting walking, right? You're... So, yeah, sorry about that. That's as good as I've ever gotten. There you go. Well, hopefully we'll sort that out before too long. All right, financial report. Ray, did you want to present that? Well, I'd defer to Phil if he's prepared, otherwise I will. Oh, okay. Sure, I can present it. It's, I believe, it was sent around. The current bank balance is just under $70,000. It's $69,520, then it includes $25. $25, excuse me, $25 in savings and $69,495 in checking. We do have a few invoices do, three of them, for some administrative services, legal services and advertising, that total $1,111 all together. There have been no checks cut since the last time we've met. So there's been no change to the financial reports. And there's been no cash in that since the last time we've met. Any questions? I have a quick comment and an apology. Yeah, I have some checks to cut. So there are some outstanding bills to pay that's because I'm the holder of the checking account that's actually authorized to write the checks. I need to get on that and do that. There is also a, I think I got it yesterday, another bill from Primer Piper Eggleston for some other work that they did since the last bill that we got. So we can add that to our list of checks to go out. But that should be approved by the executive committee before I write that check. So we'll do that quite soon. All right, any other questions for Phil or any financial related concerns? Okay, moving right along, product managers report. Jerry, I can aim, so actually you're in, you're in the shot. Where am I? I'm up there somewhere. You're up on the top of the line. There we go. Yeah, so we're on the cusp of some action here. We, one of the most important things that happened recently is that we got information from the public service department on what they require in order to execute the grants that we've already been awarded because they've been moving the goalposts a bit. Very even, uncertain on the field we were playing on, let alone moving the goalposts. So now we have better information and we can, we can. Can you get closer to the mic? Oh, sure. Which mic? Here, I'm going to mute mine and Tommy can turn yours back on. There we go. Okay, shall I do that again for you, David? You're good? Can you hear me? No, you're muted in time. Still muted, Tom. How about that? Are we good now? Are we good now? Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay, so let me do that again later. Okay, now I have feedback going on. I turned the audio off. Thank you. We are on the cusp of moving forward here with our grants. PSD has notified us of what we think are that finally the final set of requirements that they require in order to execute the grants that we've already been awarded. So we're working on that with a small group of us are having a meeting tomorrow, I believe, to coordinate moving forward on that so that we can get these grants executed. We have, we are ready to give a notice to proceed on the poll inventory and we've already, David has, David Healy has already provided to one of the contractors, some of the information that we're holding so that they can set up their system and prepare to move forward with that. We, for the high level design, we have a letter, a draft letter that's been going around the executive committee getting that ready to go out to the select boards asking them for information on any properties that they might be able to lease to us that we could use either for hubs or cabinets or whatever services might be available. So that's getting ready to go out the door. The other piece of information that's part of the action that's going on right now is that we've been having weekly coordination meetings with WEC, which is a very good thing. We've been meeting with a small team over at WEC and it's been invaluable just to spend 45 minutes in the room with them talking over how we're going to move forward in our coordination in our use of WEC polls in area A, B, and C. So this is really important time, it's time well spent that we're doing with WEC. I think that's all that I have to report right now, but if anybody has a question, I can step up with something. Yeah, Bill? Yeah, Michael, I heard you say you're having weekly coordination meetings, but you cut out, at least on my end, with who? With WEC. With WEC? With WEC, thank you. Washington Electrical Hall. Sorry, my accent gets in the way. Any other questions for Jerry? The second question is what the nature of the initial information that the PSB is requesting? Well, I've just easily gotten no big deal. It's easily gotten no big deal, but it needs to thread a very specific set of needles. And it's also going to require, and we'll talk about this later on, it's going to require some detailed grant administration work that will need to be done and some proof of ability to do that kind of high detail grant information work, but it's nothing that we can't be able to do. It's so, I don't see any problems fulfilling what they're requesting. Anything else for Jerry? Okay. Thanks, Jerry. Anything else that you have that you think we need to know? No, I think we're good for right now, okay, cool. All right, moving along, Waterbury's application to join CBFiber. This was surprising, and the only reason it is on the agenda is because I had a Google alert set up for CBFiber, which if you don't know, a Google alert will periodically search for terms or whatever and just send you an email when new items appear with those search terms. It's a great way to get news items and rather than having to trawl through news sites and such. So I checked CBFiber on Friday, I think it was Saturday, and it said, Waterbury was a member of CBFiber and was looking for delegates to go serve on the CBFiber board. And I was thinking, huh, that sounds interesting and probably something that I should have known about. So I went back and I dug through minutes in Waterbury and they approved this. I believe it was their April 12th meeting. So the select board unanimously approved the application to join CBFiber and at no point did anyone communicate that to anyone here. So if somebody else heard about it, that's, I mean, maybe that was my ball or somebody's ball drop, but. So I don't know that it's a terribly hard decision to make. It's sort of unfortunate that we didn't get to include them in some of our strategic planning so that we'll necessarily be thinking of them a bit later in the process. But the reality there is that they are extensively cabled. David, what was the figure? They're like 90% at 25, three or better, something like that. So we probably wouldn't have been stampeding towards them anyways, but I think there are some areas that incidental to Duxbury in particular, I think maybe some possibilities when we're doing those on Moretown, I suppose. There will be some addresses that we'll be able to get as part of the other, part of the other towns. Yeah, Ken? Yeah, as a part of some of my middle state work, there's also parts of town in Woods Waterbury Center, maybe in Waterbury Center, and there's a challenge there that they all have buried utilities. So we're gonna have to figure out what that means for us. Well, yeah, if we were ever to try to serve Waterbury Center there, I mean, they only just did all that utility work and dug up the roads and ran all that stuff this is a year and a half ago. And the reason I know that is because the first time I met with Waterbury folks in Waterbury, actually in Duxbury folks too, they were digging up the roads. And I said, well, hold on, while you're digging up the roads, can you quick just add some conduit for fiber? We can do this down the road if necessary. They said, yeah, no, that's already gone to the general contractor and they've already bought all this stuff. So we were a bit late. So, no, I mean, everything downtown is gonna be underground, just like parts of Bury City and Montpelier and parts of Berlin too, to be fair. So I think we'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. Those are gonna be the more, some of the more dense areas. So, rather expensive. We'll have to see how we can fit those in later on. Any other thoughts on, yeah, R.D., R.D., go ahead. It's frozen. Sorry, I mean, were you recognizing me? You froze there for me. Yeah. Do I understand that Waterbury is already a part of the district? Okay. They thought they were. So we admitted them in April? We did not. No, they thought they could just vote and that they were part of it. But because they didn't tell us anything that this had happened, we will formally accept them as of today if everybody is amenable to that. So I didn't know if R.D. had anything to say. He's on quite a bit of a delay, but. Well. Go ahead. Unless I'm missing something, we haven't included Waterbury in any of our plans and schedules. Yeah, that is a, that's a true statement. The, we will have- Is that correct? That's correct. We'll have to back them in and figure out how to include them in a later phase. I mean, but they're, yeah, they're not part of any of our initial schedule. So we will have, if we decide to add them, we will have to think about how they, how they'll contribute to our build plan. If I may, my concern is that in backing them in, we don't back Cabot out. No, there's, there's basically- By which I mean that I hope that the acknowledgement of Waterbury's membership in the district doesn't mean a delay in the FTP Cabot's expectation. I mean, we're pretty much on the fringe as it is. And I'm concerned that, you know, that adjustments of the schedule might be to our disadvantage. So that is yet to be determined to be completely straightforward, but that's basically impossible because Waterbury doesn't have that many places that we would be targeting in the first place. So I would say that the likelihood that Cabot would be, would get bumped in to get Waterbury addresses. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it's basically zero. So it's hard for me to do the back and forth with the almost four second delay between you and me, but happy to have any other questions if you have them. I have Alan Ray and Ken. Yeah, so Jeremy, in the original note you sent around, email you sent around, you reported that M. Bard made a motion to join CV Fiber as an interested party. Do you know what that language an interested party, was that purposeful on the part of Waterbury? That was a, I think that was a misquote in their minutes. It was to express their interest to us that they wanted to join. The word interest should not have been as an interested party. That was just a sloppy note-taking. So by all accounts, by their officials. So have we, go ahead. Have we in fact had an official request from them to join CV Fiber? Have we received paperwork saying, here's the motion made and approved by the select board? No, no, but they're advertising in local newspapers asking for CV Fiber delegates. So they, somebody skipped a step. It is definitely 100% in their minutes. But no, they did not do that, the affirmative step of reaching out to me or anyone for that matter and saying, this is what we want. Well, it seems to me that it's putting the cart before the horse for us to take any action tonight on this until we receive a formal application or formal notice that the town select board has voted to join CV Fiber. I mean, we have nothing to act on except hearsay at this point. Well, hearsay and all of the official minutes and I just posted something from their website specifically saying that we should, that they're joining CV Fiber. So, I mean, I'm happy to hear, I'm happy to slow this down a bit. But I definitely want to hear from anybody else if they have any other thoughts. I've got Ray Kenchuk and Ray Kenchuk, Siobhan and John. Ray, you're up. I wonder if I'm on a delay? No, you're not. Okay, Ray, can I go on to somebody else and come back to you? No, I'm playing what I want to say. So my view of the world was to move to admit Quaterbury into a CV Fiber communications union district without condition subject to confirmation of their formal motion to join CV Fiber. Second. Okay. So a motion by Ray and a second by Siobhan. Let's go back to, let's go to Ken. So I have Ken, Chuck, Siobhan and John. Motion on the table. Yeah, and my comment is somewhat related and Quaterbury is going to join the same way to a body that is members like Montpelier and Barry and Berlin. And at some point we need to be more something, more formal, more structured about what it means to be a member where your population is largely served at 25, three or better. And I'm not volunteering at this point, but I probably will in the fairly near future to begin a parallel set of discussions to identify what it will require for CV Fiber to actually begin action in those areas. And it gets to RD's point, I have no, I mean, I'm representing Montpelier and I have no expectation that CV Fiber is going to take any action and invest any money in Montpelier until our unserved and underserved areas are well on their way. We have the plan in place, but that said, I still represent Montpelier and folks represent Barry and Berlin. And if we bring in Waterbury, we need to have this. And it also is going for the areas, for the towns that have a significant but maybe not overwhelming proportion that are also served. We've got to have that planning process begun. So in inviting Waterbury, and I'm not sure I actually grew the motion, I'm not sure we accept them. I think we send communication to Waterbury telling them that we are prepared to accept them. But again, the reason I'm bringing it up now is there needs to be some of that communication that needs to be clarity to them that they are not going to be immediately on the list to provide service to their unserved and underserved, well, to their served area. And we have to be very careful about their unserved and underserved area because it may be really challenging to provide them service. Okay, thanks for that, Ken. And Ray, I can answer your question quickly. Was there a requirement that towns be a member by a certain date for some aspects of H360 purposes? So there was the date of June 1st. This was whether towns not in communications union districts could be served by projects not spearheaded by CUDs. So if there was an existing provider, Waterbury was not in a CUD as of June 1st. Consequently, if they join a CUD later, they could be covered by either of those provisions because they would be a member of a CUD or not before June 1st. That was the only date constraint, the date constraint that was in H360. So it doesn't make them ineligible for anything in particular. I've got Chuck, then Siobhan. My comment is on reviewing the statutes around admission of new members. Basically, we get to determine any sort of terms and conditions, including financial obligations that we deem appropriate to allow their admission. And so I do wonder if contrary to Ray's motion, whether it would make sense for us to consider some conditions whether financial or process or otherwise to admit them. Financial to me maybe doesn't feel that fair since to Ken's point, we're probably not actually going to prioritize service anywhere there anytime soon. Then again, they have ARPA funds, but on the flip side to that, maybe there is some expectation setting of like, look you're going to end up in one of the later tiers of our ability to deliver. And we'll consider you when there are opportunities to go through Waterbury territory to reach underserved territories of other communities. But in the meantime, the remainder of Waterbury will remain near the end of the list. Okay, thanks Chuck. So I've got Shrivan, Tom, and then back to you Ray. I just wanted to say we've talked about courting Waterbury for years. We've been asking them and we've given presentations to them and tried to get them to join for a long time. So we wanted them and so there's that. The other thing is I think our priorities and the way we've been approaching our criteria for how we're trying to get maximum take rates and still serve our core underserved and unserved populations. I think we're approaching that really well and I don't think Waterbury's inclusion changes that because they just become part of the mix and their data is this and the other data is this. And because we've put in tons of work in what we consider our priorities, I don't think it's going to be just letting Waterbury in isn't going to change all of that in some significant way. I'm done. Thanks Shrivan, Tom. So looking down the line, do we want Waterbury in our team name, yes. Just a question about what happened after that. I'm not hearing you very well, Tom. Say that again, Ken. I'm not hearing that at all. Can you hear me better? Mm-hmm. Yes. Great. So yeah, I was saying that 10 years down the line, I think we're going to want Waterbury in our district as we have mentioned several other places in the past and whether we wait for a while before letting them in or let them in now and then, you know, see about planning as planning develops, then I think it makes obviously a lot more sense to go with the latter there. But to address Ken's concerns, actually I think it's something better to bring up perhaps in a later section where we go about going public. But I think there are other components here of how this might play out in the future and where we're going to end up laying line and when that probably aren't best discussed in this time right now. That's it. Thanks, Doug. So we'll do Phil and then Ray. It's two items. First is what's the impact on our current planning? It seems like we've already at least put plans in place for pole inventories and high level design is queuing up. So I see somebody coming at this stage would certainly have an impact there. And it does seem like if they want, if they want to be part of it, it seems like we do, this is like last minute to get them in to be under one cohesive plan and not sort of patched in at a later time. With that said, it seems it is premature and we should, even if we take their request as if it was made to us, we want to make sure they understand what they're, what they're signing on for and make sure they understand our timeline before, you know, we get too far into it. Thank you. Thanks, Bill. Ray. Yeah, so several things. Chuck is right with regard to the bit about conditions. One could apply conditions to anybody's entry and my motion talked about without conditions specifically because of that. And I think it's meant for places that are joining perhaps in like EC5 or where they already have a significant debt load and there may be an impact, right? Both on the district as well as on the town. And so that's not inconsequential. With regard to expectations, none of our 20 times have any idea what our plans are. They don't know if they're first or last or whatever. We've just not made that, you know, available to anybody. And so with regard to, you know, setting up their expectations, Barry City doesn't know, Montpelier doesn't know, Berlin doesn't know, they don't know, period. We're about to reveal, I think, hopefully area A, but we haven't revealed anything else. And with regard to the plans, you know, this is kind of like, with regard to our plans, this is kind of like making battle plans. And the things about battle plans is, as soon as the first shots are fired, all those plans, you go out the window, right? And so as we're moving forward, trying to implement our plans because of money and contracts and other kinds of things, those things are not going to happen in the way we are currently envisioning them. I think Waterbury has some value to us. Well, one is they're getting about a million and a half an opera fund. So maybe there's a source of some money. Second, I think that they add some weight to our district like Montpelier does and Barry City and Berlin do. I think they add political weight to our district. And so I'm for embracing them and whether we do it tonight or we do it some other time, I am concerned about whether this June 1st thing is a bit. And they perhaps in April, they were seeing H360 roll out and seeing deadlines being imposed. Perhaps they had some expectations if they're going to beat the deadline and not be left out of something. And so I'm a little bit concerned about when this is effective. But I'm willing to go either way, but there was a motion on the floor and hopefully we'll see it subject to the confirmation that there has been a formal motion and adoption by Woodbury. Okay, so I think if I can tackle a couple of these sort of lingering remnants before we maybe go towards voting. So April 4th, April 12th, whatever in April, that was the day that they voted to apply to join CB5er. That is not the date that they joined at CB5er. They're not a member town just yet. So therefore they would not be held, and it would not be under that provision of H360. I don't think that loses them anything. If anything else, they're benefiting because they could look at a project that's not a CUD project as long as it's providing universal access that connects underserved folks in Waterbury. Somebody else could still come in because they weren't part of the CUD at that date. I'm not sure that's that big of a deal. And so the question was, well, wait a minute, we don't have, and I forgot who asked that, I'm sorry, we don't have them built into any of our poll audits or high level design or detailed design. We don't have that grant money to do that work for Waterbury. However, like David said in the chat, they do. So if we know what the differential costs are for the poll audit and the high level design, I would say at a minimum, we can say, this is what it's gonna cost for us to start thinking about Waterbury as part of our strategic vision. I mean, otherwise we're gonna get to it later and it is gonna be a bolt-on. And a bolt-on in terms of a network design is not gonna look great. So if we can figure out what that cost is and we come back to them and say, this is what it's gonna take, we can probably make it optional for them. We just ask the select board. So we could probably leave raise motion the same, admit them without any conditions, but then say, if you want to be part of this, if you wanna be part of the current kind of strategic planning, then you have to step up because we weren't expecting you. So if you're making a meal for 20 people and a 21st person shows up, hopefully they've brought some dishes to pass. I guess maybe that's the best way to put this. Yeah, at my house, I would have enough food for 35, but yeah, I take your point. So had we applied to the PSD for grants that would include all of Washington County and unaffiliated towns contiguous to us, I could totally get behind that metaphor that like food for everybody, but we're not, there's a lot of money coming our way, but we're not quite that unconstrained and remind me next time you're having dinner, I'm coming up. Any other thoughts on this? How are folks feeling about the motion, Phil? You contradicted yourself. You said, except the motions are stood without conditions and then that sent us you out of the conditions, right? So it seems like those are conditions. No, so I'm saying we admit them, they're in, period. Let's do that. And then we go back to them and say, there's two paths that Waterbury can take. They can be part of our current strategic planning and join in the high level design and it would be in a better situation with the poll audit and everything that's happening imminently, but they're gonna need to pony up the differential cost for that. That's one way. Or they don't pay and we get to them when we get to them and have a probably substandard design when it comes to bolting them on later. Tom? Let's see if I can just talk through yours. Yeah. And it seems like there's levels in between there where they can be included in the high level of design but not included in the construction until a later phase of development to kind of address some of R&D's concerns about Cabot. That is one of the options in there is yeah, we're gonna include you in this design if you can bring your plate to the table but it doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna get served first. Okay, Alan? Yeah, I'm really gonna urge caution on this because we're dealing with issues of municipality forming with the graces of the state and it's not a light thing that we can just create rules and ways of doing things when there are requirements that it seems to me have not been met. I'm looking at 3082 admission of district members in the CUD statutes and it says the legislative body of any non-member municipality which desires to be admitted to the district shall make application for admission to the board. Has that happened? I don't think so. You know, we don't want to three years from now being involved in some kind of crazy lawsuit where somebody starts digging up the history of how Waterbury joined CV Fiber and somebody finds out that the statutes really weren't followed and they were never really a proper member of the municipality. So I think this is, we should slow down on this not just for us but also for Waterbury. I think Waterbury hasn't done what it needs to do to be considered. I don't think the issue is really ripe as it were for our deliberation and decision at this point. And the provision at the end of raise motion you don't feel like that satisfies that satisfies it making this contingent on them properly applying? That's correct. I don't think it's proper. I don't think it's proper for us to take action when something that doesn't yet exist. I mean, the statute says they have to submit an application. They have to make application. It doesn't say oral. It doesn't say written. It doesn't say on blue paper, black paper. But I think most people would assume that it means somebody from the, in this case the select board would contact CV Fiber and say we would like to be admitted and here's how the decision of Waterbury was made to request that we be a member. And it seems like there just hasn't been any of that. And I think it puts in peril any action that we might take. Thanks, Alan. Yeah, so with that note, I think I would vote against this and after voting against it put another motion to invite the town of Waterbury to submit an application to join CV Fiber. Any other thoughts? We have some folks that we haven't heard from yet. Jerry, if you wanna hear if you can speak if Tom can unmute him, I have to. Just following up on what Ken just said, I know that we've spoken to them in the past but it's been quite a while and gone quite a way. They might not understand whether it was in it Tuesday and planning that we would go forward with. And we don't need to go forward with it. They might not really know where sign up or necessary. And I have to notice that they tend to get in the car. And they don't have public meetings to see how we operate and what we do. But it may be a little more homework and make sure they understand what they're moving into. So yeah, the last time I had an interaction with folks from Waterbury was Steve Lutzfeich, their planning director who was at a RPC meeting connected to Bolton. Remember we were talking about Bolton back in March? I think it was. Bolton was talking about joining and I had never heard from them again. Steve was there and it wasn't long after that that he then, after Bonnie from CBRPC put out the email to all of the member towns and then they went and did this and unfortunately did not properly communicate this to us at that point. So Tim, I saw you showing your face there. Do you have something you wanna add? I was gonna join in, I've been listening with what came off obviously, trying to cook dinner at the same time when I've had here. So if they came to a vote, I probably would not vote to keep on having each community join in. Just like Roxbury comes from when you started this way back three years ago. And had we had five towns, seven towns in the beginning, I just always wonder like would we be there by now already versus having everybody join in and make such a monster of this versus started up and slowly add towns much like somebody just recently mentioned, I think Alan, but I wouldn't be voting in for this. It sounds like, especially the way this was presented. Waterberry didn't come to you, correct Jeremy? No, this was me finding, essentially finding a newspaper article that was reporting on it. Right, so my two senses is at some point like we gotta stop adding towns and just like this whole meeting is talking about Waterberry. We're taking focus away from the driving force of getting up and going quicker. That's just my two sense. I know it's a simplistic view, but that's just my overall picture of it. Okay, anything else? It looks like we are coming to the point where we're just about to vote. Hi, this is David from Duxbury. I'm curious and maybe this isn't, maybe if we do consider it later, that would be like when they do a formal application we could have further discussion, but I do wonder what the effect would be on the business model of where CB fiber, like I don't know of any businesses that are looking to limit their customer base. And I think we need to consider, I think Siobhan was saying, I think I agree with her perspective. We have our models and frameworks for how we prioritize and figure out where we lay fiber and connect customers first. And I don't think we wanna three years from now be kicking ourselves for not admitting Waterberry when it's gonna be probably for the business model to be more conducive to success. So that's my two cents. Thanks. So if I'm reading the room right, I mean, even if this motion goes down, I expect at some point rather soon we will admit Waterberry. But I think the checkbox that we're checking here is a procedural one. And if it's raising Alan's hackles, I'm going to take that quite seriously. So let's call the question. I'm gonna do a roll call. If I need to split a tie at the end, otherwise I will cast a vote at the end, if that's okay with everybody. But Christian, if you wanna write this down, that's fine. Otherwise I can communicate this to you later. It's your call. We'll see how fast we go. So let's start with, I'm just going in order of my screen. So Tom. I'm sorry. So that's a no. Negative. Okay. And I should probably restate the motion. This is to admit Waterberry without conditions subject to them applying. What Ray's motion was in the chat. John Morse, John Morse is a yes. Siobhan? No. Okay, Siobhan is a no. Ray? No. Ray is a no. Josh? No. Josh is a no. Chuck? Yes. Okay, R.D. R.D. Eno. To clarify, we're saying that it's subject to they're making a formal application. If that's part of the motion, then I would say yes. Okay. I have Henry as a yes. Ken? No. And Tim Sullivan? No. And I will vote no as well. Not that I need to go one way or the other. Okay. So the motion is declined. So let me follow up with Waterberry again. We'll get them in here to the next meeting. Maybe we'll have a special meeting, just something short. And we'll sort this out in a bit. And I will put on the table informally what the various paths might be and how they might share their federal largesse. Okay. Moving right along. RFP for accounting services. Oops. And my TV is about to go into standby. So hold on a second. Hopefully that sorts it out. Okay. That's apparently not going to do that. Because it's a touchscreen. This is like a 54 inch or like a 60 inch touchscreen. It blows my mind. So play like for Fruit Ninja with actual weapons probably, right? Okay. RFP for accounting services. Right? This is yours? Well, actually the prime mover for this is Tom. Tom, do you want to speak to this? Oh, no, you can go ahead. He says go ahead. Just put your headset on and go ahead and talk. You have here, but the whereas is essentially saying, you know, there are a number of accounting capabilities that we don't have in-house, but need to be achieved in order for us to go after things like take rates and realize they are not going to this rate. What's going on before rates at any rate? And also accounting best practices, restricting ourselves to using governmental accountability standards. And so to that effect, it seems that now is definitely the time, if not earlier for us to get serious about accounting and find someone who can do that work for us. So it is hereby moved that the CV Fire Governing Board requests the finance committee to draft and the executive committee to refine, issue and publicize a request for proposals for an accounting contractor whose prime responsibilities will be to properly structure, maintain and keep the CV Fire books, prepare and aid in the management of our budget, prepare for audits, and aid in the design of our subscription rate structure. Okay. Tom moves. I'll second. Oh, I beat you to a truck. So Tom moved, I seconded it. Any further discussion about this? Oh, I have a quick question. Is this in our budget as it stands? Is it in our budget as it stands? Yeah, Jerry? Not really, but it should be a component of any grant that we get granted minister and the large aspect of this is grant administration. So there should be a percentage of any grant that we get that allows for funds to be used for grant administration. Oh, we haven't. You couldn't hear. Oh, they didn't hear me. Okay, so let me try this again. Okay, good. So any grant that we get typically part, there's a percentage of a grant that allows you to use the grant funds for grant administration. So the bulk of the funding for this, if not all of the funding for this would probably come through that percentage of whatever grants we have. There really isn't much in the budget as was put before to be able to sustain something like this. It would need grant funding to be sustainable. Okay. Good question, Josh. Any other questions about this? Yeah, Siobhan? So is there anything in this motion that would preclude us being able to participate in anything Vicuda might come up with as a centralized possible accounting thing that they've been talking about? Or would this make that difficult for us to kind of sashay in there? Well, I mean, I think we have to get started even if Vicuda doesn't move on it. I mean, and if they have an offering that they go into altogether, this is not us contracting with anyone yet. This is us putting out the RFP. It's really getting the ball rolling. I would love, man, would I love to see a statewide all the CUDs share an accountant and they can do the same sort of books and everybody's books look exactly the same because that would be really easy then when the CUDs are handing books off and handing audits off to the state for checking and double checking. So when their finance folks are looking at it, they're saying, okay, well, looks the same as the last one. Check, check, check, check, check. Go on to the next one. It's all in the same format. That would be terrific. I think this is us trying to get a little bit of a head of steam in the event that Vakuta or the state choose not to go that route. I think that would be silly, but I think that that's my thought about this anyways. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that we weren't, I did think that the wording would lock us out of anything, but I just wanted to make sure that we kind of had that sit there just in case. So am I interpreting that correctly? Ray, Tom, Jerry, everybody that's, they touched this? Does that seem like we're not getting locked out of any choices? I don't see how we're getting locked out. Okay. All right. So yeah, we should be good. Somebody just had their hand up. Yeah, Phil. And this really speaks to a concern that the public service board has with our ability to meet the grant requirements that was spoken to earlier. So this is something we have to do. And from what I understand from the motion, it's just in our P at this point and maybe that could be used, but we could to get them up to speed faster as well. That's true. All right. Any other thoughts on the accounting RFP? Okay. Any objections to adopting this resolution or adopting this motion as moved? Okay. I'm going to take that as unanimous consent. Thanks everybody. Let's move on then. Grant anticipation notes treasury ruling request. Ray, do you want to take a crack at this? Sure. So you hopefully saw the email that I sent out earlier with regard to this and preparation for this. And the good news is, this is OBE. So we're taken by events. I was looking to get CB fiber authority in use of CB fiber of CUD and filing this treasury request for ruling on what I, about grant anticipation notes. But after doing all the preparation work and everything ECFX Flynn on behalf of the CUDA submitted it already. So it's done. And so we don't have to spend any more time on it. And if you really want to know more, read my email. All right. So this agenda item is moot. That's what I'm hearing from you, Ray. Moot. Moot. Okay. We're mooting on town ARPA funds. There was a discussion that I've not had a chance to get back to a question about how to approach towns for ARPA funds and presentations. And I was meaning to respond to that and I kind of lost the thread. I can kind of tell you, I haven't heard, I heard unofficially from middle sex, I think. But we're going to be, I need to work with their attorney to see what, because apparently he has some concerns with the language as presented, which any good attorney is gonna take a crack at it and throw some red lines in there and change the thing. So I don't see that as being a big concern. And there were some of you that wanted to approach your towns and talk about this too. And Becky, I think maybe that was you that sent that first email. And if you could maybe just for my own foggy brain, if you wanna tell me like where you're at or what you're hoping to do and how we can support that. I don't know if I said the first one, but our select board asked if I could do some sort of presentation to them, just letting them know sort of where we are, what we're doing, what the plans are, because they definitely wanna look into how do they wanna allocate the ARPA funds. So I thought with the PowerPoint presentation that has been circulated, if that's approved and allowed to go public, that that might be a good starting point perhaps to get them some more information. But I wanna coordinate with some of you that have a longer tenure than I do. Sure. And I've presented to Woodbury in the past and they initially wanted to join. And if you think that presentation will be sufficient and that's great, I think we can probably use that as a starting point. I'm happy to participate in that as necessary. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Go ahead, Ray. So as part of pulling together the presentation as I'm referring to it, we have been working, we worked with RD for example, because he was doing a presentation to Cabot and modeling after what Chuck had done and a little bit of what David had done, we have pulled together something that's contextual, in other words, for the particular town and we're happy to pull together something for Woodbury or for any other town. And basically that talks more specifically about Woodbury. Now, we haven't been revealing our plans to the kind of detail folks would like in terms of when, in terms of exactly when, but we can give years and frankly, we're going to do an awful lot in 21 and 22. And I think people will be happy with what our plans are. Always contingent upon A, B and C, right? So we're happy to do that. I think it's about 10, 12 slides or something. And so anybody has any requests? We're happy Chuck and I and John Walters were working on those. Okay, anybody else looking to reach out to towns, looking for some support or looking for custom, customizing the presentation, anything like that, happy to do that, Tom? Just similar, looking to reach out to the town and provide a presentation. I haven't spoken to them other than just kind of an introductory, hey, we're thinking about this. And that was several months ago. So it'll be good to follow up and provide that. Yeah, so I would say if you want to take the reins and schedule a time, that would probably be a, Becky, if you wanted to do that too, schedule a time with the select board, sometimes trying to get them early, it's probably a better bet. And that way everybody can schedule around that in advance. Yeah, right? Yeah, so what I'll do is, I think I'll send out to the board the presentation we did for Bayer for Cabot and for RD. And you have an idea of what's in there. And then if you want some customization for your town, then we're happy to work with you. Cool. Shimon, sorry, you're hiding an effort. I'm over here. I've already done a small presentation tailored for Orange that I cobbled together from other information that we had floating around. And what I need now is a formal document requesting an amount of money. They're ready for that. They just need to know, but they need some kind of formal piece of paper that they can talk about and discuss and move forward with. That's where we're at. Okay, well, we have the MOU that we approved previously. And that is coming out. So can I go ahead? So should I go ahead and propose that to them? That's what we had previously agreed to hear as a starting point. Any final contract is gonna need to come back to the board for approval. But yeah, send it over to them and say that this is our starting point. Okay, cool, cool, cool, thanks. Sure. Hey, David. David Wentz. Hi, so I sort of have a question just about what the requirements are for the ARPA funding related to being able to, whether or not we are going to need to be able to track the use of the fund for town-specific benefit or beneficiaries. I was reading the legislation and the Treasury guidance and it's not very clear on that or I wasn't able to find any clarity, but it seems to say that money is meant to be spent for the benefits of the, whatever the local government area, whether it's county or town. And so I'm just wondering if that's something that we have answers for. I know our Treasurer and Duxbury had kind of questions about that. And I mean, related to that, I guess, whether we'd be able to, like if that kind of tracking is required, if we're ready to do that kind of tracking and also what that means in terms of timelines of spending and not mixing pots of money. And so not mixing grant funding that we have for the other kind of high level design work and stuff that's already planned because there is stuff that's very clear in the Treasury guidance that it can't be, it needs to be additional. There needs to be kind of additionality of funding. It can't be replacing stuff that's already been budgeted. So I just want to know if we know, kind of have answers to that or if that's something we need to get kind of more clarity on. Yeah, so I'm not, I'm not a lawyer. Not hopefully never thought that I was. My read of this and the rules that I'd seen allow towns to essentially delegate the funds for this purpose. And we, and part of our projects, part of the grants that we're doing for this state already require us to describe at a very concrete detail level what we're doing in each town. And we already know right now that we do not have enough funding right now today. Even with the H, yeah, even with some of the H360 funding, we are not going to have the entire amount of money necessary to do all the things that we're hoping to do. So there will always be room for the ARPA funds. And yeah, and so we, yeah, we will need to, we will still need to be reporting back to the state because the state is passing these through to the town. And the town would then be passing these through to us. And it would be our responsibility. And it's actually in the MOU that we would take upon ourselves the responsibility for managing that documentation. All right. So I see, so John had his hand up and then I see Josh in the chat and then Chuck. John Morris, if you want to unmute. Sorry about that, slow mouse. So I think Marshfield's kind of at the other end of the spectrum on this, they're pretty much planning to wait quite a bit of time, possibly discussing this at town meeting. And so I'm not feeling like I wanna push them to act on this unless CB fiber needs imminent action. But I was also interested in just having an idea of the order of magnitude of what's considered reasonable for a town to contribute. Well, that's a good question. I mean, some towns are contemplating sending the entirety of the ARPA funds that they're getting to this project. I think in part so that they don't have to do the accounting, but in part because they believe in what we're trying to do. There's other towns that are looking at, how can we essentially cover the costs of this portion of the project for the town? So like, can I cover the, just the poll audit for this town? It depends on their appetite. It depends on what their, what they're hoping to do. In this case, we don't get across the finish line, the long strategic finish line, even with all of the grant money that we are seeing, which is a lot. We're not getting all the way across the finish line, regardless. So this is one of those cases of every little bit helps. Anything that towns share with this grant money has the effect of driving the money has the effect of driving down the monthly rate for literally everyone in the district, because that's money that we don't have to be paying interest on. And I forget the figures. It was something like 43% of the, is that right rate 43% of the monthly, monthly charges that EC fiber charges to their folks are just debt service. So if we make debt service go away substantially, we're talking about easily sub $50 rates. All right. So I've got a Josh and then Chuck. Yeah. So I had actually kind of presentation to the, the board of very town back in May, I believe it was. And expressed, you know, our desire for them to delegate some of the art funds to this project. And then also gave them the, they wanted to know what, what we were essentially asking for. And I gave them the larger of the numbers, but also told them that, you know, we'd be happy with whatever the town would be willing to get towards this project. They almost seemed a bit put back by that, or at least I should say the chair of the support did, stating that in an earlier meeting, he said that he had the view Jeremy, you said that we would never be asking for money. So for him, he was very like, why are you asking for money? And so it was also, it was a weird computational moment within my presentation, but that's kind of how it went. And I'm kind of hearing now that, you know, they're not really planning on putting a lot of funds here. And I also believe that the, the majority of the town of Barry is the majority well-served. Yeah, that's, that's true. Then there are some addresses that aren't, but yeah. So to be clear, you know, the very town select board is really conservative. I don't think that's a surprise to anybody. And second of all, when I talked to your select board, when I talked to your select board chair, I, that was not the language that I used. I'm never going to, we're never going to come and ask for property tax dollars because it is against the law for us to do so. If they're getting a grant of, you know, this pre federal money, slush funds, whatever, you know, and they are looking for ways to spend it, then yeah, we're going to come ask for it. But on the other hand, Barry town probably has other infrastructure that they might use these funds on. And we, I would not, I would certainly not argue with them to do that. I mean, we're not really going to Montpelier that because I know they have a lot of deferred maintenance on sewer and water projects that I think they're intending to use these funds for. So I, thanks for going and reaching out to them about that, Josh, if we don't end up getting funds from them, we're going to plow forward. It's just that if the towns decide to join, join with us hand in hand and provide some money, we're going to be able to do that. But like I said before, it literally drives everyone's rates down. So I mean, that's, that's the biggest argument that I can make to anyone going back to, to talk to select boards or city councils about this. All right. So I've got a Chuck then, then John. My point is specifically about a comment David. W meant made. We've made a comment to the same effect and chat just now, but I believe we should not allow ourselves to get into the business where any of this money comes with strings for how we use it for a specific community. I strongly believe we need to hold a firm line as Jeremy just so gracefully worded it that, you know, any contribution helps us drive down rates across the entire district helps us achieve the vision of building this network that we need to build. And so we need to be able to pass the entire district and, and, and getting service to those underserved. But that we need to, you know, not make any obligations on ourselves to do specific things for specific towns. And that's even inclusive of reporting. Except in as much as we would be reporting about our build out that Chuck, I can John and then David went again. Yeah, I guess I'm going to go the other way on this because it's hard for me to imagine a municipality contributing significant amounts of dollars without there being some specific benefit to their residents that, you know, most, I mean, Montpelier rights not going to contribute play well, but, but other towns, they're going to have residents that have projects that they want funded. So I was curious whether it's possible that something like connection fees, the hardware that may be necessary for in home installation, whether that can be a basis for the these dollars because they say, man, maybe I'm wrong. And maybe you've gotten some feedback that with the message that your contribution is going to lower rates for everybody. And that's satisfying to a select board. If that's the case, then fine. I just have a hard time imagining a select board when they see their menu of opportunities that they'll say, oh, sure, we'll do that. Thanks, Ken. John and then David. So my second question is about the any restrictions on, on how these funds are used. I hear you talking about how Berry town might have to have a lot of other infrastructure uses for this money is a small town like Marshfield likely to not be able to figure out how to use this money. Is it so restricted or are all of the other people who might come to the town also going to be able to come up with projects that could be funded by these funds? Yeah. So there are a handful of specific specific kinds of projects that these can fund. So water wastewater broadband being among them. I think there's a there's a couple others. COVID relief related, you know, rental rental assistance. So folks don't get evicted things like that. So there's, yeah, there are other, there are other options out there and the all of the towns have received, you know, advice from the league of cities and towns with a kind of a breakdown of what this looks like. And the league's advice was slow down and like, like, and Marshfield is taking that advice. Other towns are saying, let's let's get this rolling. So I don't know that that answers your question well, but there is if you go to vlct.org, there is a like a frequently asked question for the ARPA funds for towns. And that gives a rather short not lawyer explanation of how the funds can be used. So that might be a place to start. So you get a sense of what sorts of projects could we also see like low income renters? I mean, that's that seems like a really good way of spending this these funds too. And I would certainly, you know, even though we're about to do some incredible work, I would certainly not want to stand in the way of funding projects like that. That would that would feel that would feel kind of gross to me. Honestly, David, you're up next. Sure. Thanks. I have two points. The first is I agree with Chuck, what you're saying and in principle and Jeremy, what you were saying, that's definitely should like would be great. But it may there may be rules and regulations that we that we could run afoul of and that could affect our ability to get other federal funding. And so I think we need to just be very careful and make sure we do get a lawyer and a legal kind of opinion about if, because I mean, I deal with a lot of federal grants, very large ones. And when something is earmarked for a program area or for a particular like funding stream, we create separate budgets, separate budget codes for those, for those activities and we need to track those and report them very carefully that they've been used for the intended purpose, whatever that earmark is. And so if, if this funding, if the ARPA funding, if they see a town money that goes to the town as an earmark that it's supposed to be used to benefit that town, we definitely need to know if, if we need to be able to track it, have our separate budget code. And so between our kind of treasurer and our lawyers, I think we just need to get very kind of clear guidance on before we accept money from towns, because if, if we do need to track it, we just need to be very careful. We don't run afoul of any of those, those rules and that they're very clear. And then the second point is about just on approaching towns. I do think there's, and we've already gotten these in Duxbury as they've discussed it at the select board, these questions have come up just about kind of the expectations and hopefully like there is this runway to be able to take it slow because I think releasing the plan and some sort of like clarity about four different towns. I wouldn't want us to be in a position where a town gives us money and then finds out afterward that they're not going to be served for two years or something. And then, and then it create a big negative kind of bad blood or bad publicity for CV fiber. So I don't know how to kind of balance that in terms of the timing, but I do think it would be good for us to be able to be kind of open and upfront with towns about the timing, when things will happen, what this funding would be used for or what we're currently funding if we don't need to kind of earmark it specifically, but what's currently happening and what their expectation should be. Because I do think there's a danger like if Duxbury all the sudden, I would actually tell them, okay, don't decide yet, because if they voted for it now and then found out later that the timing might be delayed or not, what they were expecting when they voted on it, I would be worried that then there'd be a backlash against CV fiber. So for any town that, depending on the timing. Sure. And so Mr. Finance Chair, Ray, would you, I think maybe during the Executive Committee meeting or Finance Committee meeting, I think we should authorize reaching out to Krista again and getting maybe getting some of David Wenz questions answered. So in terms of what the formalities are, when a town hands us a check that they've just been handed through this funding mechanism, what are our roles and responsibilities in terms of commingling those funds in a larger project? Do we indeed, if these are earmarked in that traditional sense for a specific location, do we need to then account for each town differently? So maybe I'll put that on the... I got it. You don't need to put that. Okay. Yeah. So we'll do that. I'm not actually with the traffic. Okay. Sure. Yeah. So let's see if we can get that answered definitively. I think it's okay because all of the other districts, I mean all the other districts are doing it too. Well, you know, like jumping off cliffs and such. And the folks at the department, the Public Service Department all also think that this is a rational and straightforward thing to do. But David, I think you're right. Let's be cautious and engage a lawyer and make sure that we are... that we're stepping along the path that we're going to be able to justify when we have to produce documentation at the end of each year. Okay. Any other... Do I have anybody else? I don't have anybody else on the list. Okay. Any other questions about town ARPA funds that we should be talking about? Okay. Let's continue on. Update on grants. Jerry gave a pretty decent update on what we're looking at for the H-315 documentation, the upcoming H-360 documentation. I remain in a sort of, I don't know, power struggle, federal SAM system, system for what? Awards management. Getting that to accept our address change and CVFever versus Central for my internet or whatever. I'm going to have to go and make a call to the federal bureaucracy and use a federal help desk number. I have no idea what that's going to look like. I'm expecting it to be really bad and I'm doing that tomorrow. There's some... The next steps for... Some of the next steps for the state grants being dispersed to us are being held up by that process. So, certainly if there's anything else. Any other updates on grants? Any folks have questions about or want to add? Okay. Cool. Moving along. The going public presentation. So, the basic decision here is do we take this presentation that Ray has spearheaded and put together with a lot of feedback and do we start advertising this? I'm not sure we need to go into executive session. My opinion is that the material that's in there is informative enough without revealing anything that's too terribly sensitive. That's my own thought. Ray, you want to make the motion just so we can have it and move forward if we need to? Sure. Move the information contained in the presentation. Less inclusion of Waterbury and respective data. Data 12 July 2021 is declassified and may be used in such a manner in such settings as the executive committee may determine. Second. Okay. Moved by Ray. Seconded by Siobhan. Two comments. One comment. One. A little more strategic. Just to provide a little more context on the purpose here. The reason we're going down this path is we have historically deemed and this is more for the benefit of those newer amongst us. We have deemed the order in which we build to be a something that if it were to go public would be a detrimental to our ability to actually achieve our goals. And so this does start to contain the first tidbits of what order we would build in with the exception of some grant specific projects we have done to date. But this goes a little more broadly in terms of that. So, you know, we are a public body and our information should be public by default. And so where Ray uses the term declassified, you know, I want to make sure that it's in that context of its information we have previously as a body found to be confidential and we are now deciding that some subset of it we are ready to allow to be public because we are far enough along that it no longer represents a detriment to our ability to achieve our goals. The second thing, a little more tactically, I think we should amend the motion to ensure that the executive committee and or the communications committee may determine. So I'll accept that as a friendly amendment. Good for you, Siobhan. Okay. Okay, so friendly amended to be so executive committee and the comms committee. Any other, yeah, Tom. I'm not sure how to have an open discussion about how whether or not to go public with things we haven't yet gotten public with the things I want to discuss. Yeah, so this is where we may have the executive session to discuss things that are trade secrets because if we need to be talking about these things so that we can make this discussion this decision. Okay, I just lost my big screen. So I guess I'm of the opinion that we should do that. We should first have the discussion about what to go public with before we decide to go public with it. Did Joe hear that? I guess I asked the question. I asked the question, Tom. If it came to a vote, I would vote for it to go public as it is right now. There are aspects of it that I think it is good for us as a board to discuss so that we're all doing that with eyes wide open and knowing what it is that we're voting about. So what I'm hearing was that I don't think we ought to have it in areas B, C and D for example and so that we understand that. That doesn't necessarily hold us up on voting for this, but it does we should have a discussion. And I think that that discussion perhaps ought to start in the PVC and work its way to the board so we can really air that thing out. But I'm open to whatever the board wants to do. My view of the world is I'd like to get this done, this motion done so we can move on. I'm open to whatever anybody wants to do. Alan. So when I look through this it seems to me there are only two slides that we really need to focus on in terms of a big decision about whether we're releasing some trade secret that we might not want to. And those two slides are numbers 13 and 14. I think they're the ones that you've sort of referenced in your in your last comment here the different areas. I think everything else in here is either so detailed that it's not going to matter that so much information is being given out because it's just a picture of how huge a job we have in front of us. I think the one place where there is the detail that might have strategic value for somebody competing against us are these two slides 13 and 14 and maybe that's where a bigger discussion should be had on a committee level and then brought back again before the board at another time. But I think everything is fine really and doesn't need to be discussed except 13 and 14. Chuck. 15. Yeah. I look at 15 like I look at so many of these other charts for most people this is not going to mean very much. It just doesn't seem all that strategic to me. Maybe I'm not being cynical enough on this one but I just that seems so general number 15. Maybe the numbers I'm looking at or different page numbers are different from yours. I see three charts that have area A, area B, and area C on them. And I see in the index on the left side of the PowerPoint screen I see number yeah I'm sorry number well I see number 12 I see number 13 and then 14 looks fine to me it's just really those two 12 and 13. So what we're talking about just to be clear is the first of all the identification of the towns that are in area A and the the lack of identifying who the towns are for areas B and C although we mentioned B has seven towns and C has five towns and then we get into the chart which talks about which reveals for example that it's our anticipation that areas A and B will be for the underserved in 2022 and that area C will be completed for the underserved in 2023 and that's a huge amount of information we have 20 cities and towns and what we're saying there is that 5, 7, and 12 is 17 of them are going to be completed for the underserved by the end of 2023 and so that's not that's not nothing I think it's meaningful it's meaningful if you go after our funds it's meaningful for others really thinking about this it doesn't mention area D which are the other towns yet right I'll defer now to Chuck Go ahead Chuck Thanks Ryan So the first comment I was going to make was the slide 12 that has the map of area A that is definitely information we have deemed as a body to be confidential as it would be detrimental to our ability to accomplish our goals I also see that I actually disagree with you Alan I don't think 13 has much that is even it's the slide entitled construction priorities it gives some general statistics about area B and C I don't even think that even has enough information to be something we need to hold close personally it's obviously up to the body to determine that but my take on that would be that so it really for me it's slide 12 in conjunction with slides 15 through 17 and in hand with each other the map as well as the actual build schedule that now references that map being the critical facet of that and then I would also argue that slides 9 and 10 were pieces of information we also deemed and I believe redacted from pieces of information we submitted to the state to public records requests and so I believe those are ones we technically did also deem the costs associated by community I believe we did deem those as things we had not allowed to go public in the past as well my memory could be inaccurate on that but that's my vague recollection so I see those as the big drivers of that but I don't think other than what I've just described there's anything else here that we can make a concrete argument that we have kept private in the past if I could just follow up with that Chuck I agree with you I only included the B and C the slide that had B and C because it's such a contrast to A and it seemed to me that that was sort of all of one package I think it is the slide A slide that's the one that's the most challenging as it were alright thanks Alan Jerry? Tom can you light me up? Thanks so I just want to put this in perspective it could be as soon as three weeks two weeks, three weeks we're going to have trucks out in area A with a placard on the side with a safety fiber so it's not going to be a secret anymore so between now and then there'll probably be a press release area A is not going to be a closely held secret in the extremely near future we're talking days so I don't know that we're harming ourselves in any way by agreeing now to allow this to be something that we can use publicly next time I've always assumed Jerry that what you said was going to be the trigger for when the information would be released and that we wouldn't even have to have a discussion about it that when we started actually going door to door we're doing pole inventories have trucks out there with a placard on it saying CV fiber I've just assumed that when that happens there's no reason to talk about whether we should be withholding the information because at that point it really is to my mind it's moot at that point the information has to be released because we're providing it by the presence of vehicles or people going into certain areas so I think you might be right and that's what I've always assumed would sort of force the issue and we really we wouldn't need to have a meeting to decide it because it would have been decided by the actions we had taken so that's the question are you opposed to revealing area A I am now until there are people out doing the work that makes it obvious that that's where the build out is I guess so I want to do a quick let me do a quick straw poll because I want to get a sense of the room how many folks so I'm hearing from Alan that we should maybe slow down on revealing area A so just on the issue of revealing what area A is you just show hands or pipe up or what what have you if you are against revealing what those what those that area A is just show me your hands or let me know I would be happy to hear you mean at the current moment Jerry is that right Jeremy you mean at the current moment at the current moment today yes yep okay one two not a motion but in terms of the prevailing wins if there is a I think it's time I'm not sure that it's necessarily going to be going to be three weeks but it will be imminent I also think there is probably a little bit of wisdom in giving the towns a little bit of a running start and also giving the comms committee a chance to be out there and be talking about the things that are happening imminently before the trucks roll that's my thought so any other thoughts one way or the other we have a motion on the table friendly amended this is Henry I just think we should approve the motion and and trust that the executive and the comms committee will make the right decisions as to when to release the information I mean all we're doing is saying this is the information we want them to to release and it's up to them when they release it and how they release it and I trust them so let's just get the motion and pass it yeah that's that's a good point Henry the wording of the motion doesn't actually release it as of today it allows the executive committee or the comms committee to sort out how they're going to use that any other thoughts okay are you ready to should we do a should we do a roll call if folks want to vote for or against this I guess that's more of a question for the folks that had their hands up are there any are there any objections to adopting the motion as presented okay the motion passes unanimously then so we will the executive committee and the comms committee will then use this information as we go to or ramp up to having the trucks roll and are actually out there doing some work thanks for that everybody alright so nothing else on we just confirmed that Alan isn't frozen okay I just finally said I just wanted to make sure his concerns were addressed he was going to vote against it but Worcester's internet preempted him I voted earlier so yeah I heard about a third of the last few minutes so I looked at the motion and I think as long as the judgment of the executive committee and the comms committee is thrown into the mix that's what's important for me frankly I think that's fine okay thank you Alan sounds good appreciate it okay so that brings us to the end of our regularly scheduled stuff let's do round table let's start with Tom Tom is that John Morris we're going to be another couple minutes wrapping up John's good, Siobhan Ray we have an executive committee on Monday the PDC on Thursday so we have agendas that we need to get together work is accelerating a lot of different funds and hanging there and on that note yeah well I'm thinking about it if you have any other agenda items for the executive committee meeting on Monday please get that to me Asap Josh thanks Josh, Phil good thank you I would just like to say a very heartfelt thank you Ray and John Walters for taking that presentation to the finish line I got sort of inundated with work in the last week and a half and had very little time to contribute and they did the lion's share that work so thank you both very very much I think it came out great and I'm really looking forward to starting to your communities with this content a bit more thanks Chuck RD thanks to Ray and John for putting the PowerPoint presentation is very helpful to me thanks to Chuck for designing the the I recall magnet and I just want to note for the record whether we approve the minutes of June 8th, 10th and July 6th this evening but with respect to the minutes of July 6th I would need to abstain because I wasn't present and I don't recall that there was a vote taken and I was able to register that abstention thanks for that RD that was just a that was a unanimous consent so there may have been folks abstaining from those but it passed regardless let's see John anything you'd like to add John Walters okay I'm all good thank you thanks Becky I'm all set thanks Alan the audio tonight was really problematic and I think even from the mother ship Jeremy things were things were not coming through consistently and clearly for me I'll see if there were problems on my end of the line but I think other people were having problems as well okay we'll see if we can figure out some other something else for next time if we need to that was that was going to be my question at the end but all right yeah there's plenty of open seats here at the school by the way the saying and the and I was telling Jerry that the bandwidth between he and I is much better than usual in person all right Jerry I'm great work everybody and it's great to see things moving along I just have one question what's the schedule like for the three-cut high level design when do we expect to see some early deliverables from that yeah so what I can tell you is that the contracts are under negotiation for the high level design and my expectation is that we're not going to see anything until beginning sometime in August and probably till the last half of August and not the front half thank you thanks for all your work hi Tim am I up you're up it cut out for a second on your side I think I think anybody that was having audio problems mentioned also their video looked very pixelated so I presume it's just their individual lines having problems because I could hear everything except for when people have and video problems they were also having audio problems so I would just suggest that maybe when people have to talk that have a poor line quality they just shut off the video that will give the audio a lot more bandwidth temporarily and the only other thing I just wanted to tell you Jeremy if you're doing these in person now I think I submitted to you choices for cameras I don't know if you got a chance to look it all over and if you want to one-on-one just reach out to me discuss things for the in person solutions we can discuss that another day that is a really good idea and I'm going to put that on as a quick discussion item for the Executive Committee just so we can see if we want to if we want to invest in that that might be something that we could make a use of so thank you for that reminder Tim I appreciate it okay that's all for me thanks David Wendt I'll set thanks everyone for all the hard work thanks David and so and thanks again to everybody that's doing anything at all a lot of heavy lifting going on here you'll cliche many hands, light work and such and we will hopefully sort out these hybrid meetings before long but maybe I can incentivize folks if you come to the next meeting that we have at Berlin Elementary I'll buy the first round across the street so how about that what's across the street that's like a plan so hey it's it's Berlin we're almost at the town center Jerry this is behind us alright so I've got I will declare us adjourned at 7.48pm thanks everybody have a great night