 Oh, hello my friends and when I say my friends I Mean it really do. I'm Tom erot host of daily tech news show with me my co-host and producer miss Sarah Lane Hello everybody Hello everyone welcome welcome to our show. This is something we I don't know that I've ever done We do a quarterly analyst hangout where we we answer questions And we sometimes will have the analysts join us on the hangout. It's kind of a regular update But this time we're kind of doing a an off cycle update So this is not an analyst hangout. This is just a public update of what's going on with DTNS because we got a few updates we've got a few questions and We have some announcements. Do I am I missing anything questions? Announcements updates announcements and updates are kind of the same thing Yes, right Well, well, sure announcement might be new update might be something you've heard of but has changed Okay, let's let's go with that. Here's something you've heard of but has changed patreon tier system I mentioned this briefly on the show today, but I I think it's worth mentioning a lot Which is and and I will go in a little more detail than I did on DTNS You can now through patreon choose different tiers at the same dollar amount That makes sense So if I'm if I'm backing someone at five dollars The I can have a five dollar tier that gets me a stuffed animal once a month or a five dollar tier That gets me a pizza once a month and I can decide i'm giving five dollars. Do I want a stuffed animal or pizza? So more choice with tiers So we do not do stuffed animals or pizzas at DTNS. I'm sad to inform everyone. Yeah, when you said the stuffed animal thing I was like how long have I been at the same? Yeah, that's not a thing we do But what we do is provide you the option to have either good day internet or just DTNS In your rss feed through patreon So what that means Is that you have the rss feed which you can get out of patreon that's customized to you If you're a backer at the co-executive producer level it include the monthly bonus show If you're a backer at just the dollar level it usually has just included good day internet But a lot of people say Yes, we know good day internet has DTNS inside it But we just want DTNS. So I've kind of jimmied together A thing through feed burner to satisfy that demand But patreon has made it much easier. So now you can choose Do I want good day internet or do I want just DTNS through patreon and the reason you get through patreon? There's no ads in the patreon feed It just comes right to you and it's much nicer to get it through patreon than through this feed burner link Because it's going to be it's going to be backed by patreon's whole cdn and everything So that's what you need to do if you like getting good day internet in your rss feed is nothing Don't do anything. Don't leave the house. Don't eat Stay put All right, you can move you should probably go to work. Uh, but But you don't have to change anything with your patreon feed however If you are someone who wants just DTNS You can go to the patreon, uh, you can go change your tier to say well, I'm giving $10 But I want to be giving $10 for DT just getting DTNS not not getting good day internet. Does that all make sense? Yes all right So I hope it makes sense to everybody. There are questions. I know Some of those questions might be the following for instance And I you know what I realized I didn't put this the discord. I'm going to put the discord now too So if anybody's in the discord they can go hang out there Sorry discord. We're behind but we're talking about the new feeds So the questions might be Such things as hey, what about that jimmy feed burner feed that you made What are you gonna do? You're gonna keep doing that, right? And the answer is I would like to not have to keep doing that Because now there are three places I'm publishing the show and When there are more places there are more chances for me to mess something up That's how I look at it the fewer places. I have to put something the fewer times. I'm going to screw it up So I would like to stop doing that special feed burner feed There's only a couple hundred people using it anyway I'm not going to stop using it immediately. I want to give people a chance to switch over So it'll at least be Let's say at least december before I decide to stop doing it and I'll keep checking in on that But I would like you to switch because eventually I'm going to stop updating that feed Now roger brought up a really good question when we were talking about this yesterday Which was what if you want to get both good day internet and just dts and the answer is Right now you could because you can use that feed burner feed under the patreon system. You can't So I'm going to make you choose. That's that's just what I'm going to I'm going to be like that And I hope you can understand um Well, hopefully those who like both um Will like them in the order that they're recorded. Well, and the way I look at it is Good day internet has dts in it. So it's not like you're missing something if you change the day internet Yeah And I I guess there are people who'd like to have the option each day which one to listen to But I don't know what we're gonna say roger. Oh, no, I was just saying I To make it clear for captain jack in the chat room who had a question about the dts stuff that Does it include shannon's threat wire across changing the subject? Okay. Oh, sorry Well, no, I mean we'll get to that. We'll get to that question. I just I just want to make sure that That we're we're good with With that so you either get gdi which is the pre Show and post show right or you just get the regular show both without ads. Yes, correct Right, and then all the other audio content or all the other content that would come down those rss Feeds normally would still be there correct and that answers captain jack's question, which is if you are if you choose dts or gdi You still get the threat wire cross post you still get the editor's desk You still get the bonus show whatever would normally go into that level will still go into it unless I screw something up But the expected behavior is that it will all go through there because the way it works now is When I go and publish something I'll get a bunch of check boxes for all the tiers And so when I publish good day internet, I uncheck all the dts tiers and when I publish dts I uncheck all the gdi tiers and when I publish threat wire or the editor's desk I don't uncheck any tiers except if they're not supposed to go to that level so it's it's really just a way of Ensuring fans of gdi We'll get gi and since the show is part of it. It's not like you're missing the show. Yeah, no, it's it's more for Making it a easier on our end To deliver dts without gdi to patrons who want it Because right now it's held together by gum and foil Not sticky enough No, not so much just yeah, yeah So, okay That so there there's that that's an update, right? Yes. Good um Here's a question. I mentioned we'd have a question What do you think? What would you think? Let me see how to phrase this. What would you think people of the internet? If we changed our milestones from being dollar amounts To being patron amounts So what you mean by that is instead of saying if we get to this monetary number based on collective patron participation It would be something like if we get to 40 000 patrons then this great thing happens. Correct. Also, you're a little crunchy So you might okay But yes, that is correct. So right now it's at 20 000 dollars. We'll bring back the round table Uh, and so instead we'd say at 5000 patrons will do this cool milestone and one of the reasons I want to do that is because I have said before when we talked about making the public feed had ads uh that having Having milestones traps you a little bit right like you if I don't want to be greedy I only want to have a milestone for the amount that it takes to pay for that milestone, right? Like if if we're going to it's going to cost money to bring on sarah Then I want a milestone that pays to bring on sarah. That's why we did that milestone that way If we do patron oriented milestones though, we don't lock ourselves in it's not it's not exactly like We can we can be more flexible and it's not like well, why do you need money for that? Right it divorces that and makes it easier for to say like oh well if we get to 5000 patrons We'll throw a party. I'm not saying we'll throw a party, but you know It it frees us up to from that equation in my head of like no if it if we're asking for money for this It has to be that um And I I think that just loosens things up. Also There is a phenomena and I learned this at patreon Where if you have a dollar amount at a certain point people stop thinking about People start to think they shouldn't support you like it goes back it kind of you get crosstalk And we kind of want to just get that out of people's head All right So if somebody were to say but tom what if the milestone that you're trying to reach will cost a specific monetary amount Why go to the patron model? Then how do we all know if we've got enough? That's not to make sure that that I've I make the amount of people Uh make sense Yeah, all right. Yeah, and we we've hired a brand new Financial manager named Otis who will uh look oh Oh, we're in for something good. Yeah Yeah, Otis is um looking out the solution for us right yeah finances or You know, he's he'll get there. Yeah, he'll get there. Yeah. He has a lot of enthusiasm Sure for patrons. Yeah, yes Uh, so Yeah, but W. Scottis one says that makes sense. That's good. That's a good first reaction But feed feedback at daily tech news show dot com if you have other reactions Uh, we probably would do it starting with the new year is my guess Just kind of switch over then we might do it earlier depends Well, we are halfway through november. So, uh with you know, some good messaging and uh opportunity for feedback from everybody Who has some? Um or questions and and and to try to smooth along the process. I think first of the year sounds about right So the other thing we need to do uh is learn from my mistakes when we added ads to the public feed Uh and make sure we talk about it on the show On the dTNS show for the people who only get dTNS because there are those who support us on patreon But only listen to dTNS so remind me to mention it there. So we don't have those folks out Uh, yeah, I think we tend to we cover a lot of stuff on gdi and we have a little bit more time to do so And we forget that sometimes if you just listen to dTNS you might not know My theory on that was If you're that invested in the show you care, you probably listen to gdi, but of course that Is not always the case um The other thing is what cool milestones could we do now if we free ourselves up from that that way of thinking my And it's all in my head by the way What what should we do should you know, should we what kind of of patron drives could we have? We could do charity drives Love that idea That's something that uh, and I know giving day is coming up soon. Uh, it's like in a week. So it might be Tuesday Yeah, it's a tuesday. I believe after black friday, right, right, right um I mean we could we could maybe come up with something small like that, but I love that idea of taking Saying like hey if we get to 5500 patrons We'll give $500 to girls who code Or you know Fire wildfire relief or you know anything like we could we could decide what it is But that was an idea that patreon gave me a patreon Oh, that sounds pretty neat. Yeah, it's uh, and I think it's uh Supporting it cause while also supporting the show. Yeah And and and that's the kind of thing that we could do regularly we could we could you know Move it around to different different deserving organizations. Um I also uh want to start Being more formal about what patrons dtns backs If that makes any sense it does but Short of reading a lot of names out loud. What were you thinking? Well, right now The daily tech news show account backs a lot of people's patreons Because I backed them when it was just me And I think I've added a few over the years But it's just it's just my decision. It was like things like oh, I want to back that So the show backs people other people's patreons I was thinking what if we made it what if we came up with a system And I don't know what the system would be yet, but it's just an idea. I have what if we had a system where we could sort of formally Maybe every quarter or so back patreons on purpose like this is a smaller patreon that we all agree deserves a boost Cool, you know and we and and daily tech news show will become a patron of that show or effort And we'll give them a little spotlight because we'll mention it on the show and that sort of thing Well, okay. Um, I mean that's I I'm thrilled about doing that. Um, especially because there's so many good Creative campaigns happening on patreon What uh, yeah, like how our is the audience incentivized to help rally behind something that they aren't sure is going to be You know, it's kind of like I don't know that that's a A milestone or anything Right, it's just it's just a good will. Yeah, it's just a thing we could do. Yeah, okay Got it. Got it. Yeah, it's not tied to like a certain about it. Yeah Or maybe maybe if you play if you're back if you're a member at a certain tier On the patreon then then you get to nominate them or something. I don't know. Yeah, that'd be cool like that Hmm Just kick and just throw in ideas around I like that idea W. Scott as one says that sounds cool on a totally unrelated note. I have a patreon I think we'd probably get a lot of those guys there as well. Yeah, me too Yeah, that that would be fun. Uh, that would be fun to share the love I like those kinds of ideas charity, you know backing other people's patreons. Um, but yeah, we could even we could have cooler milestones We could we can have quarterly milestones for things like that like charities But then we could also have milestones. We're like, oh if we got to 10 000 patrons will I see I hate to do like I will do a party because then it's like but then not everybody on the patron gets to come to the party So but I like throw an event, you know What if we had some sort of uh I don't know. I mean, I don't want to sign you guys up for something that you don't want to do but We had sort of like a fun I don't know Gdiathon or something where it's like, okay. Well, maybe we're not actually having a party somewhere Okay, but we're we're we're we're on a stream for a you know A extended amount of time and it's it's different format than than anything else that we're providing Good day all day I like that G dad Yeah, it's the acronym when we're funny the g dad jokes Yeah, no, I like that if we get to a certain number of patrons will do good day all day Like yeah, and there could be a fair amount of participation or I don't know. Of course. Yeah, you know, however If we get maybe it's if we get to 6,000 patrons will do six hours seven thousand seven hours There you go. Something like that. Yes, right. Yes, our pain is your game as I say that There was uh, yeah, it's uh, anyway, you mentioned learning um getting a lot of tips from patreon And I did as well. It's really interesting to hear How you see a lot of the same types of milestones But the but the projects and the creative output is so different and it just depends on The people or the person or the team, you know behind each one that You do end up getting a lot of really good ideas even from people who are who are making completely different things Yeah Yeah, and it'd be fun to highlight Uh highlight people who are who are in different spaces Because we're we've we've put dts labs and the round table on hold for the time being Uh, but we're gonna try we're gonna try different things because those didn't seem to light the fire Necessarily, uh, it doesn't mean they're bad or we'll never do them again It just means that you know, we've we tried that for a year We're gonna we're gonna try some new stuff now Like the editor's desk Actually, sarah, I I hesitate to put you on the spot But i'm doing the has it i'm doing the editor's desk audio once a week because it's that perfect marriage of Me sitting down and recording for 20 minutes something that's in my head anyway That people find interesting like I wonder what other things like that We could find like we're that sweet spot where it's like hey, here's you know, here's a periodic bonus content And I don't want to say it doesn't take preparation, but it like builds on the preparation that I already do right It's not extra preparation. It's like, oh, here's another way to benefit from that preparation that I do every day for the show I don't I don't know what that is what other things that is um Well, besides just more of that because obviously I mean that could that could apply to you can expand I don't know every day. There's at least a few topics that probably would work really well as editor editor's desk material Uh, or so there's I was thinking that's about me. That's why I started to want to put you on the spot No, I I see what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, I'm I'm thinking Well, I mean I've always liked the idea of because there's so much Besides when we're all together doing this there's so much, you know solitude at least on my side That happens where it's like I'm talking to everybody online I'm available and and there's information going back and forth but I am in kind of my little silo of organization and and And committing things to memory and and understanding stories So yeah, is there some sort of a live stream that makes that compelling? And I know that uh some of our um Friends and colleagues do stuff like that. Yeah Uh, you know, I I would hate to sort of have a live stream and it just be you know, a bunch of typing and maybe You know, because sometimes you do have to be sort of quiet and focused But I wouldn't mind something like that if that was I don't know a little bit of a bird's eye view of What things look like? Yeah, like a behind the scenes kind of yeah. Yeah, it's bts content. Yeah behind the scenes So that would be you know anything where it's like, well, I'm here. Anyway, I'm already doing all of the stuff I can kind of talk through it out loud. I mean, I'm talking to myself half the time anyway, so um, that might be something that We could try See if anybody Thinks it's interesting. Yeah, you know, I mean even if it's not interesting Hang out together a little bit more The uh, the spy cams on your desks and that's green savers were some of the biggest page drivers in the world It's true. Although tom those were back in the day when it was, you know, every 10 seconds, you know A still image would refresh. So I don't know That that The voyeurism of it all is it's so easy now. Yeah, it's too easy. It's too easy We could we could try it, you know and just see Yeah Yeah, give it a whirl. There's no reason not to. Yeah Uh, and I would say I don't know which tier gets access to that um What's your price serially? I mean, I don't think it should be that high. Yeah I don't know five dollars. Yeah the five dollar tier. All right. I mean that sounds You know, I don't I don't want to be like this amazing content is you know Very restricted because it's like I want to be realistic to the problem is you can almost never bring something up a tier Because people hate it when you raise prices, right? Yeah, you don't want to overvalue it where it's like really that much for that Yeah Um, yeah, all right. That's why I put editor's desk at five dollars. That seems that seems right too. Um Okay Good. Well, uh, that's the updates announcements Oh, actually, that's the updates and questions and brainstorming But we have an announcement Uh, roger Is putting together our end of year shows if you're unfamiliar Uh, since buzz out loud days through tech news today and now a daily tech news show every year We prerecord Shows to play during the holiday break for multiple reasons for one reason not as much news breaks during that time So it's not a bad time to to take off for another reason. We want to break You know, we need to to to keep ourselves sane and that's a good time to do it so We always do a prediction show And because we always do a prediction show, we always do a predictions results show where we check in on our predictions from the year before what We also generally do is a listener co-host show. That's our actual q4 analyst hangout too So roger tell them what they win. Well, not what they would tell them about that You get to be part of the the dts crew for that one episode and you get to join us ask questions and As well as have a general conversation As we do as the rest of the do co-contributors on the show What we would need is people who are available at that time Uh frame and that that is still tbd because if you have to figure out what works for a majority of the people But also people are interested in being part of it. I think we'll generally pick a time That's going to work for us and then we tell people like okay if you're available at this time Let us know And uh, I think the last we had five people Did we have we have five? They weren't all three or four, but yeah um But it's a chance for us to get to know you too. So if you want to do this Keep in mind that we're going to be asking you about yourself. Like, you know, what do you do? How'd you get in technology? What does technology mean to you that that sort of thing? But if that sounds cool, that sounds fun prepare yourself I mean we were going to give out The details, but I guess we need to figure out when it's going to be You have to figure out time and Keep an ear out then Yeah, probably we probably won't Hopefully we'll figure out by the end of this month. Yeah, I figured out soon Um, what's what's the other so we got predictions predictions results listener co-host Enter retro We're gonna do a retro show again. That's awesome. I have a I have a reverb effect to skip too late Uh retro retro show where we did like last year, which was really awesome. Everyone enjoyed We took a um, I think a month out of 1983 and uh did a Did a very fun filled report on all the news breaking and events Uh that happened the world technology back in 83 Yeah, so this year we're not doing 83. We'll do a different year. Yeah I've been leaning towards something in the the end of the 80s more of the 16-bit Amiga Atari ST era, but uh Yeah, we'll see what uh what people will enjoy I'll let us know you can feedback at daily tech news show dot com and if you want to be part of the The listener go show hold off until we know what day it's going to be And keep an eye out on the patreon and listen on the show and we'll we'll tell you in emails Commodore before hacks any other, uh any other Holiday shows or is that it? Uh, that's four that I need to block out for that because the 25th is uh, Is christmas 24th is christmas eve. Yeah, so we need 24th 26 27 20th. Okay So that's all we just those are the four shows that'll be coming up in the holiday times So keep an eye out for that Unless you also want to do New Year's Eve Maybe okay, uh, we got one little bit of brainstorming before we wrap up here. W. Scottis one says Maybe have a tier where someone writes a blog post or makes a podcast audio file that once a week recaps the big tech stories from dts That week Not like this we can tech and in that it's not a round table But it's presented in the style of dts where you just read or write a summary of the story and maybe have a quick opinion That way people can feel caught up. So it's like So it's daily tech headlines, but weekly version Well, I think what he's saying is we still do it in the 30 minute Okay Form but it's over the past week So it would be as if you made a dts out of the stories you had previously that week Well, and we do that to a certain extent at least in written form with our newsletters Right. Um, I mean I when it's my newsletter week I usually kind of go in and you know I I pick stories that that jump out at me when I look at it in the week rather than daily so that I mean That I mean I I'd be open to that. Yeah, there is the newsletter W. Scott is one is saying yeah, there is the newsletter So that kind of fulfills what he's talking about a little bit, right? I guess it just would be presented differently If you preferred the audio version of the same thing Yeah, no wrong ideas and brains for me. Absolutely. Good idea. Uh, keep the ideas coming We've gotten some great ones from people by the way Some of them aren't necessarily for milestones, but they're just good ideas for content that we might do So please keep them coming and thank you for that feedback at daily tech news show dot com anything else before we wrap up Uh, nothing except to say Thanks everybody for being so great and your feedback always helps and We really appreciate it and take everything into consideration and keep up the good work being a great community Yay Really great audience Awesome. We're so lucky to have you We are we absolutely are I can't believe we're still going almost five years. We're gonna be celebrating five years of dts next year It's incredible. Thanks everybody. Talk to you soon