 So let's see, recording is already started. So I will open the six town select board meeting for Monday, March 7, 2022 to order. Greg, any agenda additions or changes from staff. Nothing from staff. Okay, anything from orders members. I just wanted to make one clarification, although the agenda says executive session at the bottom, there's no no anticipation of any executive session need there. So we will likely not do that. So, okay. Okay, so no changes. So let's move forward to public to be heard public to be heard as a time for residents to or those attending the meeting to bring up issues issues with the select that are not on the agenda. If you'd like to speak during public to be heard you can either raise your hand using the the raise your hand feature in zoom, or if you're on the phone, I will give you an opportunity to speak when we get to that point. So if you would like to address the board please be brief, please be civil, please refrain from using an appropriate language. Please address your remarks to me as a select board chair. Please do not attack other members of the public or town staff. And if you are not the recognized speaker, please keep yourself muted and leave off your, your camera to avoid unnecessary distraction. And let's move on. Okay, so I see David scoping has his hand up. David, go ahead. Yes, I just, it's just a reminder as we all know, we're in the middle of a climate crisis and one of the things I mentioned recently, the fact we're all in it together and I'm not doing anything that you're not doing so I am not up here. I'm saying that you've got to follow me. In fact, we have to work together. One of the things that the Energy Committee is working on is we would really like to find someone capable of of being a part of a new position which would be basically be someone skilled to help the community as at large lower its overall carbon footprint. And we, if we wait for the state or the federal government, we'll probably find that we've passed the last tipping point, and we're only halfway to the goal so I think communities are in a position to to step forward and I intend with my committee to keep working on this to to come back with you to come back to you. Hopefully, sooner rather than later, with some requests, etc, and suggestions so with that, I thank you very much for your time. And thank you. Take care. Yep, thank you, David. Okay, are there any other members of the public who wish to speak. See there's at least one participant who's on the phone. If you would like to speak go ahead. Okay, I don't see any other hands up to let's move on to the first item of business 5a consider approval of new name and signage at public works facility. Greg, who's going to cover this one. I'm going to turn it over to Aaron Martin. As many of you know, Dennis Lutz, who has been an absolute institution in Essex for the past 30 some odd years is retiring this summer, and will be a tremendous loss to Essex, but I will deserve retirement and rest for Dennis. I think about ways we can, we can honor him and show him some appreciation for all he has done for the community. And to that end, Aaron Martin and the public works crew have a proposal to talk to you. Aaron, you're muted. There we are. Hear me now. All right. So, if any of you know where our facility is located off of Sand Hill Road. I've been here 16 years I've never known why there wasn't a sign out front to note where we are located. That is something that has been coming a long time at least in my mind I want to get out there. I have talked with the fire chief we're going to coordinate any signage with him as well but I thought it'd be a wonderful opportunity to everything you see there. And everything at my office and our engineering staff. This this man has dedicated his, his whole career to this community. Mentoring all his staff mentoring mentoring myself. And I thought this was the least we could do for him to acknowledge our appreciation for him. Dedicating his career here so in your memo, you do have a layout of the sign would be looking at this may change. We will allow you will keep you up to date on what it's going to look like this was kind of the first draft to go around of it. And what to tonight here we're looking for the select board to approve the name change for our complex over there off of Sand Hill Road. All right there it is. All right, great. Thanks Aaron. Any select work member comments or questions. And someone that was here when Dennis first started. It's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned we should honor Dennis for office hard work over the 37 years. Thank you Don Patrick. Back to the same sentiments. Dennis has been an honor and a pleasure to work with you anytime I've had a question the reply has been immediate and oftentimes extensive I remember getting maps of sewer corridors. The first time I showed up at your office and to be honest it's stuck with me since it's been not just an honor to work with you but it's been an honor for our entire community to have had you giving so much of yourself for such a long period of time. Very lucky to have you. Thanks Patrick Sue. Yeah I mean everybody's already said but I think Dennis has had such a positive imprint on our on our community and I'm hoping that Aaron is ready to dust off his data as well because I love your data. Dennis I love the all the information that you share in such a clear concise way so we are going to miss you. And I think this is the least that we can do is, is put your name on something and hopefully brings a smile to your face when you, when you walk or drive by. Thanks to Tracy. Hi everybody else. Dennis you've always been very thorough very detail oriented you've always been willing to take the time to explain things to anybody who asks a question isn't in as a new board member last year. It's extremely helpful to have you take that extra step to explain in detail and anticipate questions that will come up. Whenever you have anything in the packet it's always thorough. It's always detailed and you are very appreciated. Thank you. Same same for me I absolutely totally totally appreciate the fact that Dennis you take every question I have seriously you you answer it you you are or you explain to me why my question isn't isn't relevant or appropriate. There's also on it wanted to mention that there was a time where we were worried about how long meetings were getting. And, and we started putting more and more stuff on a consent agenda, so that we didn't have to have a big long discussion. And I'm sitting there saying wait a minute we're not going to hear from Dennis tonight that's my favorite part of the meeting is to listen to Dennis talk because he always knows what's going on and he's got a good attitude about everything. And so I just wanted to share that that I felt cheated when we started moving some of your items to the consent agenda, because again I wanted to listen to you talk. Dennis. Oh you're muted Dennis. Dennis you're muted. I learned about this late last week and it was a complete surprise and I really do appreciate it. It's a real honor but at the same point. I have to say that it's shared by so many people because you know the information that I provide a lot of time comes from Aaron and comes from Dan who's going to be on and from any and other people on the staff. And our employees work really hard. You know we don't always get it right. It's really hard. When you have a large community like this to to really get it right. We try hard at that and that's one thing that I'm proud of. Thank you Dennis. It was beautiful. Okay anybody else have any other comments members of the public or other staff members. Irene. I don't have a lot to add congratulations. I'm glad you'll be with us for a few more months at least. Echoing everything the other selectman said for 12 years you taught me a whole lot about public works that I wouldn't know otherwise. I would just ask that the select were considered if we ever do move the public works facility and or improve it that we continue to name it after Dennis what's because right now it needs a lot of upgrades. And I want to make sure that as we upgrade it we don't forget all this wet and energy and years that Dennis put in. Thanks again. Thanks. Greg. It's too bad we have to have this conversation on zoom, not in person not not to track it all from things that have said but sometimes make it a little bit nicer to be said in person. And we do fully intend to have a ceremony at some point, once the sign is in and installed and get together in person and really give Dennis some of that recognition and order that he deserves face to face. Just wanted everybody to be aware that that is also what it was. Thank you. Margaret Smith. I've been trying to figure out how to say thank you for Dennis to Dennis and how much he will be missed. And I almost came and talked to him yesterday morning at the Jericho cafe where I was having breakfast with my son but I decided not to interrupt his, his conversations. My only comment as far as the sign is that I would love to see a slightly different font on Dennis's name. So that it was a little more apparent just just thinking about signage and graphic design. Anyway, so thank you thank you Dennis. Thank you Margaret. Any other comments. I don't see any other hands up. That's Margaret still. Okay, so I believe there is a motion. In the packet. Mr Chairman, I'd like to make the motion. Go ahead, Don make the motion that to select for to prove the new public work sign placement and dedication of the town of Essex public works facility to Dennis elutz. Thank you, Don. Do I have a second second. Thank you, Pat. Any further discussion. This is an awesome thing. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay, motion passes five zero. Thank you everyone. Yes, wonderful. Okay, moving on to item five be considered one time waiver to purchasing policy for replacement of public works vehicle. So are we going to hear from Dennis. If you'd like you can hear from me as well. I'm going to try and man, he's more than welcome to issue before the select word tonight is whether to allow public works, a one time waiver of the town's purchasing policy to purchase a truck truck body and associate a plow equipment. By obtaining three qualified quotes versus the formal sealed bid process. Public works is in the process of replacing one of our trucks and have run into a few complications due to what's currently going on within the automotive industry. The first problem being, as you folks may have heard, getting parts pieces and components for these trucks and manufacturing plants ability to assemble these to meet the current demand is just not happening. We've also been till that takes a little bit longer time frame to get these larger trucks in because I have the retool set up and whatnot. Staff has been informed that lead time can be anywhere from six to 12 months for these larger trucks. And then you add on the plow equipment and the dump bodies. We're looking at an additional three to six months which puts us out nine months to over a year before we can actually take possession of the plow vehicle. The other issue involves the state of Vermont's fleet bidding process, which they have put on delay for undetermined, undetermined length of time. These dealerships have been given an allotment of vehicles from the manufacturers that they'll be receiving for remainder of this year and into next. And they're just not willing to commit to the state bid process which locks in prices for the state to purchase vehicles and municipalities to piggyback on that bid system. And that means that the town of Essex is going to be purchasing new vehicle at retail price, and we're going to have to wait this undetermined amount of time to take possession of the vehicle. Another concern with with using the purchasing policy as it is for the formal bidding process is the lead time. I mean that's key. We can't be down for a vehicle for very long. It's already we're already be pushing a year without this new vehicle. So if the suck would allow this one time waiver to the current purchasing policy. It would allow us to solicit three quotes from qualified vendors for the truck chassis and for the truck body and associated plow equipment. And we can get this hopefully get this truck purchase now and get it going so we can get in the queue. So we're not waiting that extended period of time. As you see in your cost section of your memo. We've already solicited three quotes for the trucks. We've also received three quotes from the truck body vendors and the associated plow equipment that goes on these on this vehicle. We only received two quotes back with the lowest being 91800. And the staff's recommendation that if the select word allows to go to go forward with these purchases. So we can get our truck in the queue and get it get it get it built. Additionally, Charlie boys trucking local truck vendor here in town was asked if they would directly purchase our existing cloud truck rather than trading it into any of the other dealers and they seemed they seemed eager. They seemed like they would bite on that. And right now that the value of that vehicle as it sits is $45,000. So when you walk through all the math. Add and subtract. We're looking at a replacement vehicle in the amount of 109,050 dollars. Add in the warranty and multi-year service contract it's we're going to be in and around the $115,000 range. So I believe I provided all the numbers on those quotes we did receive and provided a recommendation to the board. I have Dan robert the highway superintendent here to address or answer any questions technical questions you may have. And it's like Dennis has his hands up I'm sure he wants to comment. Dennis. I just want to say that a lot of credit does go to Dan who's on Dan robert. This is a slightly different truck than what we've used before. It's been a truck that's basically known as a low pro and it's a great cloud truck. It's an intermediate, you know between a pickup and a larger truck. But it has its limitations, especially for multi use purposes. And Dan look carefully at this. I know he spent a good time, it was free time over the last couple months, you know, looking into various options and this is actually a truck that will be a little bit different than the low pro. And it will provide us with the capability to not only put an in body sander basically slide it in, as opposed to a dump truck body that holds the salt directly, but also allows us to interchange that with other units. So if we have to put chloride down in the back roads and put a tank on the back or do other things. It's a much more flexible vehicle that still has the same capability as the low pro so it's. I wanted to mention that because that's a great credit credit to Dan. He's on and we wouldn't be here asking for this if he hadn't really done all his homework to try to come up with the best possible truck for the crew and he's, he's done it from the beginning, falling to now being the superintendent so he knows your equipment really well. And you can answer any questions you have as far as the vehicle or why the route we're going is what we're choosing. Thank you. Dennis. Okay, any board member questions. Sue. Yeah, so I don't really have a question on the request for the waiver but I do just have a question on the bids for the truck bodies with the plow equipment, there were two bids that came in and it looks like you guys selected the lower cost one from Viking. Let me say the seas at 91 eight like Aaron mentioned the, the, the second one which is a little bit higher has a higher max capacity. And I was wondering, is there, you know, is that 10,500 max capacity of the lower price to one adequate or are we, you know, being a penny, whatever the expression is. You know, it is there a reason that we would need that 16,000 pound max capacity of the one that costs a little bit more. We have that Mr robert's address that if he's, if he's able. Yeah, Aaron, I got it. If we get into the higher weight rating that will tend to put CDL drivers in it versus like summer help or individuals that we hire that don't have their CDL yet. It just puts a higher truck capacity on it and puts it outside of the weight range for whether it be a CDL driver or not. So it sounds like there's actually benefits with going with the, the one that has the lower capacity. Correct. And I, I hate to see us put too much weight on it and then not intentionally but accidentally overload it more than it should be. So I think the lower weight rating is, is safer for everybody. All right, that's awesome. I bigger isn't always better. So I appreciate that. All right, thanks, Don. I must have answered it. Thanks. Okay. All right, any other board member questions. See any hands up any questions from the public. Don't see any hands up so somebody have the motion handy. Patrick. I believe I do. I'll motion the select board grant public works a one time waiver to the purchasing policy to purchase the truck and body as noted in this memorandum due to the availability of trucks in the market and the timeline of possessing the truck before next winter season. Truck. Thank you. Thank you. Tracy for the second. Any further discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Opposed. Okay, motion passes five zero. Thanks guys. Thank you. Good work on that. All right. Okay, then the next business item is discussion and possible action on town of Essex rule requiring wearing face coverings indoors and public spaces. At our last meeting, we discussed, well, the current situation is that the, the Essex mask rule is in effect until March 22. But at our last meeting we discussed the possibility every discussed, establishing a criteria for lifting the mask rule as there's some some indication that that the current case numbers and so forth are declining and we wanted to we were looking at using the CDC guidance and we had discussed the possibility of having the five days in a row of being in the moderate community transmission range on the CDC's website. Two days later the CDC changed their criteria and since then and I actually can't say I shouldn't say since then but we're currently in the medium category. I have not I can't say that I have looked every day to see where we were and unfortunately the CDC's website no longer shows a timeline trend of of where you know what the the classification is. So, I don't think we have unless you know I we didn't ask anybody to go start taking screenshots of every every day with with dates and stuff so we improve that we're actually we're in that range but we have that discussion. Other things that have happened since our last meeting, the school district, the Essex Westford school district has gone to masks optional starting today. Just anecdotally my wife's a teacher she said that about 80% of kids are still wearing masks, just an anecdotal aside there. The other thing that has happened is the state of Vermont has said that they will change their recommendation around surrounding indoor masking on March 14. I think I've gotten all that right. So, I guess, given that is the question before us maybe. How do we react to this change in the CDC's criteria. We were what we want to and and also the information from the other entities, both locally and statewide. Where do we want to go. Any select board member comments on that. Who's going to be first that that go ahead. I always like going first. You know was obviously the timing was maybe not unfortunate but definitely having it changed so quickly after our last meeting. You're taking a look at the why the CDC change their recommendations, you know, taking into account the less severe nature of the more dominant strain of the virus, and their decision to include hospital capacity to also reflect how this variant is less severe. You know obviously put us right into that medium category that I think all of us. Certainly I felt comfortable with saying if we were in for a period of time, then we should drop the mass recommendation. I am not a fan of moving goalposts. In this case, it feels like the field has changed, but I still think that the intent behind our recommendation previous to this remains the same. Which is, if we feel that our community is in kind of what the CDC would consider a medium range of, you know, can the community handle this can the hospitals handle it. It looks like we're there. So I'm amenable to dropping our mask mandate. If we feel that we want to give people a few days to sort of move into it. I'm also would certainly entertain, you know, having a few day lead up. Love to hear the other board my recommendations but that's kind of where I'm sitting with it right now. Thanks Patrick Tracy. I echo everything that Pat said, I will take responsibility for including the immediate enactment of the masking requirement. I don't think that that was prudent. We should have communicated out to the business community. I haven't yet come to a decision whether we should give a couple days to speak with the businesses directly reach out to them. I get a hold of the economic development commission to use their contacts, or whether, you know, if we rescind it tonight that that it just be immediate. I would look to other board members for their thoughts on that. I'm not sure that it's as important to reach out if we're ending it as it was to enact it. But those are, that's where I'm at. Thanks Tracy. Yeah, so I mean we're in a little bit of a weird situation because the original metrics are still showing that we're high. And I get that there's this pivot that's occurred. I appreciate, you know, that there are people that that is what, you know, their core competency is and they're making this pivot. So I guess I, I would lean towards adopting the new metrics that have come out from the CDC as our guidance and based on that. You know, it's basically saying that not everyone needs to wear a mask right that only people that are. It's a little bit odd because it puts the responsibility on the people that have the biggest possibility of having, you know, a severe illness, which is, it almost feels a little backwards but you know, without, you know, we would admit we're not the scientists, we're not the medical community. We're, we're looking for guidance and this is the guidance that we have at this point. So I would lean towards following the new criteria and based on the new criteria. It appears that it doesn't make sense for everyone to be required to wear a mask. Any thoughts on timing. I would think we roll it back with some sort of, we roll it back, you know, effective tomorrow with some sort of messaging that is that every business obviously has their own right to manage it however they want to manage, right. So, you know, even though there's not something coming from at the municipal level of a retailer or business owner wants to retain having a mask requirement that's their prerogative right so I think we want to just reinforce that we're, you know, we're, we're, we would, if we, if we choose we are lifting it for the overall municipality but there's no reason that it can't be continued internally at a, at a business. Thanks to Don any comments. Just thinking. I agree with what everyone has said about following the CDC guidelines. But I'd like to see maybe a compromise as we had proposed the 21st in the state is saying I'd rather see us go with the state on the 14th. That gives people time to prepare for our changing our decisions. I'd like to hear from the public, because there's a lot of them here tonight and I'm assuming that's what they're here for so. So is your hand backup. Yeah, I just had another question so we had it when we set the criteria at our last meeting, we indicated that it had to be at a certain level for a sustained five days, given that we don't have the data to, to really back up the data we have been at that medium level for five days. I mean, I think we could make assumptions but we don't, we haven't tracked it for five days. Does it make sense to ensure that we do reach that that five day and maybe that aligns better with what Don is suggesting which is the 14th which is next Monday right. Right. Yeah, and there was an important point that you made to that that businesses still have will still have the right to maintain their own safety policies as will the town, I mean the the mask mandate for municipal buildings is in the preview of the town manager. And is not it wasn't the this mask rule being put in place that that caused the requirement for masking in the in municipal buildings and I see Greg has his hand up and let him let him talk in a minute here but I just wanted to I mean I want to make it clear. We do we should we will we do need to make it clear that we are not prohibiting anyone from having their own mask rule or their own safety rules. We're just lifting the. We would just be if we do it, lifting the requirement imposed by the town, any business can still maintain whatever safety requirements they want. Greg, do you want to comment. Yeah, thank you. As far as the tracking it for five days. Unfortunately, I think that's going to be hard to do with what the CDC has set up right now. As Andy mentioned, there's no day to day timeline. I'm going to pull it up right now the last update, either May, March 3 or March 5. There's two dates on there. But either way, it doesn't seem to be updated every single day so it's not even as if you can go on and track it every day. So just letting you know that as you weigh the decision about to move forward and as far as making that decision based on length of time. Thanks, Greg. Okay, so I will move on to the public any comments from the public. Michael Dimitrov. Yeah, I would, I would advocate for dropping the mask mandate as soon as possible. I just think it's time, you know, I was supportive of all this stuff up until recently, but we're pushing two years. And, you know, as someone else mentioned the Omicron variant, you know, as is I think the tendency with these viruses it's less, less virulent, and I just think it's enough to get back to normal or whatever the new normal is. So, I would advocate for dropping the mask mandate as soon as possible. Thank you, Michael. David's coping. I certainly would not ever expect that we would have a situation where some people were required to mask and some some people were not. So if you were going to drop it, you would drop it for everyone because walking into the grocery store and seeing half people masked and half people on masks is it doesn't flip my boat so you know, with dropping it for everyone if you're going to drop it at all. So we can't prohibit anybody from wearing a mask. My, my, my mother is currently in hospice care and I will continue to wear a mask when I'm out in public. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I should think a mask would always be legal. I mean, if I want to wear mine for the next five years just hide my face in the public. I certainly have the right to do that. Yeah, I like the fact that I don't have to shave every day. Thanks, David. You, mangas. I just wanted to say that I think it's time to get back to personal choice and to drop the mandate and let the people that want to mask continually mask that's that's fine. But I think we're at the point now where this has just gone on long enough, and it just needs to be brought back to the point of personal choice. Thank you. You. Any other comments. I don't see any other. I'm on the phone line. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. I also agree with everybody that I think the time kind of it's coming to make it at least mask optional. I feel like the people that are going to wear them are going to continue where I'm from here, which I feel like we should have the option. I appreciate you listening and so thank you. All right, thank you. Irene runner. So I related I'm okay with you ditching the mask mandate or keeping it for a little while longer but what I really want to do is get back into the building for meetings and I don't remember the select works. I don't want to shut people out of meetings and only hold them remotely but maybe you can refresh by memory. But my preference would be that you open up town hall and let us come master unmasked or required masks or whatever to meetings in person because the energy is totally different in the room and it is your own thing. Thanks. Yep, we are we're having that we are having that discussion and we should, we will, we should have that people will have talked publicly about it after we decide what we're going to do here, what we're going to do there. So, okay, thank you. Okay, anyone else don't see any other hands if you're on the phone go ahead and speak up. Okay, I don't see any other hands up. Sue. I was just going to make the motion if that's okay. Okay. Well, do we do we I think we need to still resolve the question of timing right. So what do you know I guess I guess I'll go ahead and start as I'm, I'm, I don't want to put us in a situation where anybody feels like they have a conflict with regard to you know, oh the select board dropped this last night and we're going to a business and saying, well, the business owner not knowing that it's okay for you know, that I don't know what kind of conflicts, but it could arise and I think there's some reasonableness to aligning it with the state. Saying that it would, you know be on the 14th that the guidance would change to allow us time to have that communication. What do others think. I saw Sue nodding her head. Yeah, I agree with that. Anybody. Tracy. Yeah, you know, Andy just pointed something out that leads me to the 14th. I don't want anyone to go into a business and have a put a business owner in that situation where they think it's still in place. The resident or the customer knows about this meeting and something happens or you know, I don't think it's fair to two business owners or employees to be put into that position so I'm, I'm fine with the 14th. Thanks Tracy. Pat or Don, any comments on timing. I agree with what's been said. 14th is my idea so I'm good with them. Alrighty. Alrighty. All right, so you want to have a go with the motion with the date included. Yep, I will. So, I make a motion that the select board lift the town of Essex rule requiring wearing face coverings indoors in public spaces. Effective March 14 2022. Thanks to have a second. Second. Thank you Don. Any further discussion. Greg, any concerns with how that's been worded. I think that's fine. All right, great. Okay. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay, motion passes five zero. We will lift the last main date effective week from today. Okay, thank you. Moving on to consent agenda. I will go ahead and move approval of the consent agenda. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any further discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay. Motion passes five zero reading file. Any board member comments? You know what we didn't. Yeah, right now. Right. Go ahead. I see your hand. Go ahead. I just wanted to say thank you to staff for putting together the post. I think it's very helpful. Great feedback. And I, it's something that I really hope will continue into the future. Okay. Thanks, Tracy. I wanted to thank the ethics police department and the ethics community justice center for the wonderful presentation they did on Saturday. I'm sorry. So many people missed it. Hopefully they'll redo it. It was wonderful. It was informative and it was extremely interactive. So I do appreciate all the effort that went into it. Oh, yeah, that was the know your rights thing. It was. Yeah, yeah, I wish I could have made that that. Yeah, that sounded really great. Pat. One more. Thank you both. Actually, I guess it's two to our voters and to our town staff for passing the budget, keeping us going another year. And for all of our staff, Greg, you know, in the midst of a lot of change, it was a pretty heroic lift to get everything together with you. Our compliments to Courtney, all the heads of the departments as well. Just please let them know that the work was appreciated. Thank you. I'd be happy to absolutely. Yep. That was, that was great stuff. And then the other thing that I know Greg had sent out. And email asking about. Meetings going forward, whether we wanted to. Start meeting in person again. And the intent of the, I'm just going to be transparent here that the intent was for scheduling purposes. So it wasn't an illegal email of communications. It was about scheduling. And so. I think most of the responses were yes, we want to be in person. Because of the, the energy, the connection with, with people in the room and so forth. So is anybody, anybody have any concerns with doing that? I know Greg, you mentioned that you, that for now you'd prefer continuation of masking. We're going to be talking about that as a management team tomorrow taking the select boards decisions night into consideration. And so I'll have more on that. As some of you have said, it'll be personal decision and certainly if anybody prefers to wear a mask and meet in person, that is absolutely completely okay. And also if anyone's prefers to attend remotely, we will still have that hybrid setup. Yeah, yeah, there is no, there is no, no intent to write force anybody to come to the meeting if all board members, if you'd like to, you know, as, as we've been before, if you'd like to not attend in person, that's fine. There was a question, I guess I got an email today, someone asking whether we were going to continue allowing the public to participate remotely. And I think that's an absolute, that we'll be doing that as well. So the, the amount of participation we get, you know, so there's 31 people in the meeting right now, we've, if we had that every, every meeting in the, in the meeting room, we'd be having to build a new meeting room. Because that's, that'd be kind of crowded and you know, some other meetings get much larger than that. So, yeah, we definitely will continue with the remote access for both members or board members and for, and for the public. So I think the consensus is the meeting scheduled for two weeks from tonight, if you're, if you're so inclined, you may intend to attend in person, both to the board and to the public. So, all right, thank you for that. Any other board member comments? Okay, we're, we're coming in under an hour here. I think this is potentially a record. Or we could just hang out. Anybody want to make a motion? I make the motion we adjourn. Thank you, Don. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Sue. It was non-debatable motion. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed. Thank you, everyone.