 It's time for MacGeekGab and listener Brad brings us our quick tip of the week by saying I recently had an application that stopped generating its sound and banner notifications. I resolved this by visiting the notification system settings pane and right-clicking the targeted application and selecting reset notifications dot dot dot. A further note of interest is that the notifications actually configure and are found in a p-list which we'll put in the show notes at macgeekgab.com. I had no idea that this reset notifications per application even existed let alone how to find it right click in system settings on the app in the notifications list. More quick tips like this plus your questions answered today on MacGeekGab 1015 for Monday, December 25th. Merry Christmas 2023. Greetings folks and welcome to MacGeekGab. Indeed we are the show where you send in your quick tips like that your questions that we sometimes answer hopefully answer your cool stuff found correctly. Well that's you know you let us know that's the beauty you send all this stuff into feedback at macgeekgab.com we assemble it we string it together loosely into an agenda such that we each have a great chance of learning at least five new things every single time we get together and here on this cold Christmas morning here in Durham, New Hampshire I'm Dave Hamilton. Oh and here in South Dakota not quite snowing yet I'm Adam Christensen in here also in Southern New Hampshire where it's I don't know if it's colder or warmer than South Dakota it's pilot Pete gonna be back I don't know the weather I just fly him you fly over the weather Pete that's right that's my goal that's that's how it works yeah yep yeah that reset notifications thing did you did either of you know about that no clue no I saw that that's brilliant this is what I love about doing this show one of the things there's many things in fact that I love about doing the show but that's like like routinely we've been doing this 18 and a half years I know that feature hasn't been there for 18 and a half years but like it's been there for a while do you know it's not been there 18 and a half years well I know that the system that macOS has not had a notification center so so yes I that I do know yes and system settings wasn't there correct 18 years ago but I bet I bet that's been there a couple of OS versions at least I get right like of course yeah per app that's brilliant yep yep it's per app and you get little choices when you go in there and um yeah actually let me open it up because there was there was something if I go into notifications and I right click on reset notifications it is hopefully not gonna break my computer uh I see my cpu pegging oh there it goes it asked me are you sure you want to reset the app will have to request permission to send notifications you won't receive notifications from this app until then which is great it's an interesting thing to go look in your notifications list and system preferences system settings I found one at the very top of the list that had an icon that also looked like system settings and was like one of those websites that tries to scam you into you know installing their antivirus software or whatever so right you know fascinating to go look in there and and see what you've got more conware conware there you go is that you you don't fly for conware do you oh I was gonna say is that is that Nicholas Cage movie con here that's right yeah no these are the people that try to get you to like you see put put their crappy software on your computer and ruin your day and ruin your day yeah exactly but like they make you think that like by using the system settings icon and it appears in your notification center like it looks legit so yep yep all right uh Pete you got a quick tip for us I do I've got a two for today Dave oh give me two quick tips in one first of all you can put or create a list or a smart list in context which is really nice I like I prefer a smart list because for example holiday cards so I create a new smart list called holiday cards oddly enough and then all you have to do is somewhere in that list I put the word holiday in notes so anybody's contact that I've put the word holiday in notes they show up on that list all right well wait that's brilliant I yeah I mean I've done smart things in like mail and finder and never even dawned on me that that could exist in context yeah so that that's what I do and you could do it other ways you know to be you know like I have one for medical and the smart list is uh anyone whose title is doctor what so aside from you Dave my other doctor Dave yeah um what a callback that's brilliant yeah so um but yeah so you can create all these really you can get really uh granular you can drill down and set up separate people in your contacts in really great ways using smart list or a regular list I mean you can you can manually add them in list I prefer a smart list sure sure but uh then like for my other show I created a list of people who donate directly to the site because I didn't have a way to contact them easily so I've created that and then what you do is you right click on here's tip number two right click on that smart list and select send email to the name of that smart list and it will create an email and put all the people in that smart list in the address bar you can also print envelopes from contacts nowadays so you could print envelopes from a smart list that you put holiday in the notes and okay yeah save a bunch of time so yeah I would I would caution that when you do send an email to a smart list it's going to put all those email addresses in the two window instead of the bcc window so if you don't want to share everybody's address then you know drag them down to the bcc bravo charlotte yeah yeah yeah but uh yeah so that there's your two for for christmas morning happy christmas everybody i like that that's good yeah yeah huh yeah do you have any any ways you use smart lists or like is this a new feature for you too adam no i mean i think we talked about uh a couple episodes ago hi i will sometimes use it to archive photos in photo library so i'll go in and make a smart album right and say right give me everything from the past year and then make an archive of that and then that's my i'm now safe to delete last year's photos if i want like the blurry ones and not so great ones from my existing photo library so i'm not taking up space with photos that are not really great but i still want to save yeah yeah cool tati has a quick tip about email for us he uh he says you know sometimes you copy text out of a one email message and paste it into another and sometimes if that text is part of a reply chain you get all of the quote bars the the vertical lines that that show you all of that all seventeen of them yeah you can remove those one at a time by highlighting the text and or you could highlight the whole email and it will start it will just remove them from everything in the email and then uh i think it's it's in one of the menus but but todd says you use the uh option command and the apostrophe key and that will start removing quote lines if you remove the option key from that and just to command apostrophe it will add quote lines so you can control these back and forth if you like yeah it's a good tip it's it's one of those things that i use routinely and it never thought to share here on the show but it's super helpful that yes you can you can take those out and you can get them all the way down to nothing so yep yep and you can also go to the message menu and choose make plain text if you wind up pasting in something that has like weird formatting from a previous email and it will remove all the formatting from that message and truly just make it plain text for you to ship off to whomever you want to that's how i've always gotten rid of those is just make it plain text and then and then put it back in and reformat it yeah but that's so much simpler very cool simply yeah there's another one for me yep i love it no it's great um we talked last episode about um creating apps from web pages a little bit and i mentioned the the apps from bzg apps coherence and unite and i also mentioned that i had never used the the new thing in sonoma where you can add to doc and essentially just create a safari you know an application based on a safari uh window and so i went and messed around with that after we finished the show and it's great we have a google doc that we keep all of our like running agenda in if you're watching the live stream it's at mackeycup.com slash show notes you can see us editing it and it's just a google doc uh i saved that into a i went to the file menu in safari and i chose add to doc and now i have it there in my doc and you can even go into the preferences and give it a little icon it saves these things into your um home applications folder is where those live so you can go and delete them and and manage them and all of those things they're not like buried in the system somewhere that never for you to see and it works great and it works the way i would want it to work when i click a link inside this app it opens it in safari it doesn't like open another tab in the app which i like you might want that it doesn't do that it opens it in safari but handy and very like very reliable and all that good stuff and what's funny is later that day i was lamenting how there was no macos app for threads the new social media network or whatever from uh from meta and i was like yeah whatever you know it's fine and then in our chat uh unprompted by me listener andrew says uh as i've left twitter and moved to threads i was lamenting the fact that there was no macos app for threads so i created one with add to doc and i'm thinking how come this didn't dawn on me when i had exactly the same thought moments after using the add to doc feature for different purposes and what's great about this add to doc thing for something like threads is once you've created this web app there uh you can scroll you can resize the window and take advantage of threads formatting as though it were say on an iphone and when you you know you make the window sort of narrow enough it gets rid of all the extraneous stuff and formats like you're viewing it on an iphone and makes it really feel like an app so uh think about that with i mean use it with threads but also everything else that you might that you might run all the time so good right have you guys done anything with these yet i haven't but nope that's something to play with it is something to play with yeah yeah yeah uh where are we here oh you know yeah it back in episode 10 11 we again we're talking about the maneuver that we all do and might wind up doing after the the holidays here as we get you know new toys and gizmos and and all of that that need to be plugged in uh underneath our desks the maneuver that we do when we have something under the desk a cable under the desk and we need to kind of loop it up and over the the top of the desk and without it falling and ed shared a name for this he says i think maybe it is called cable nastix because sometimes it seems like gymnastics to get it done i like this this might have to go on a t-shirt i that that's that's a cable cable nastix ed is good we did get a bunch of comments about this though do you have a you weren't here for episode 10 11 adam so i like you know you know this maneuver of which we speak yes no yeah i know exactly what you're talking about mostly it involves me lying under something and trying to fish a cable up and then somehow precariously hook it on the edge of the desk and hope it doesn't fall and then it always does it always does yeah it involves you know some form of of uh religious deity based um uh please to to keep that cable hanging ever so there are no help they are no help that's right yes the spiders the land of spiders and dust bunnies yeah um but uh soccer dad says uh has a has a tip for us and says uh attaching your cable to a straightened metal coat hanger has frequently worked for me i even use this method for running cables in conduits and that's kind of brilliant oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so that that made me just that made me just think of something that seems obvious but i don't know i didn't think that till just now yes don't they make like special tools for fishing cables through like walls of course it's called a fish tape fish tape yeah why wouldn't we get one of those i know i i know adam because wouldn't that work i mean you don't have to be going through a wall you could go no you don't have to be going through a wall that is correct yep yep yep yep um or we could follow listener bruce's suggestion where he says uh i suggest using a common bean bag you can fit the bean bag into the palm of your hand use your thumb to hold the cable in place on the bean bag then reach up and place the bean bag on top of the cable on the desk so that the bean bags now holding the cable you can safely let go come around to the top and retrieve your thing i this is smart i i can't always like depending on how much room you have a lot of times you're you know kind of trying to do the hook thing but but if you've got the room the bean bag thing makes perfect sense so thank you for that bruce um yeah that's good that's good my my favorite i think comes from Teresa who really embraces the fact that the the first time that you do this is definitely not going to be the last time that you do this in that location anyone who has set up computers on a desktop has had this annoying experience if the desk is against a wall and you're alone it becomes a trial of wills will the wire win dave mentioned he was having fun in games getting wires to his desktop and i remembered having to stop and leave this tip which may help others depending on the wires in question check out the various sizes of 3m command strip wall hangers for pictures it's very easy to stick them on the back of the desk near the top making sure they are sideways so normally you would hang a command strip vertically this is sticking it on horizontally and if you've never used command strips before oh my gosh these things are amazing they save you from having to tack into your walls often it's awesome uh so uh you should be able to wedge the wire into the hanger because they are plastic and will give a little it will stay there while you get to the top of the desk reach over and grab it to plug it in where you need it and they're also clear and are little visual clutter and of course they're on the back the back of your desk so yeah they uh yeah yeah they're they're just little they're they're sticky pieces they're pieces of plastic with with sticky backs that have little hooks on them and the idea here is you have the hooks sideways and you just use the the the hook is you know sort of a v shape and you sort of wedge the thing into the hook and you're good to go and you can even leave it like that if you really want so that if you unplug the cable like if it's something for your phone where you're not always plugged in the cable doesn't fall it's just waiting there for you the next time you need it so yeah and then Allison wrote with a hint too yeah yeah honey can you help me with this please right yeah yeah so is that if you're not alone i mean if you're not alone yeah most the time you are though that's the problem of course you are why is that like what why is it that it's rare that there's anyone there i i know why because you don't want to pay the divorce attorney when you try to set up a computer with your wife or your husband exactly oh the other the other one is i tend to get uh foul mouthed and frustrated and my family doesn't like to be around me when that's going on right but if you could solve the the problem of having to perform cable nastics you might be less foul mouthed and frustrated well there's that um i want to comment on this that the command hook thing i just did this recently for um when we set up our christmas tree because we had to put it where we wanted to put in an area where it's nowhere near an outlet so i had to run like a an electrical cord along the wall and i use these command strip uh hooks yep cord clips to route that cable so what's great about that tip is not only can you use those for getting the cable up there but they're great for just routing cables around your wherever you need to route them yeah pretty inexpensively too like you're not you know putting in panduit or or fishing wires through walls or yeah yeah i mean it's not quite as you know clean as the conduit stuff if you get the long you know pieces of that but yeah of course of course it works and uh what's great about the command strip stuff right is that has that little pull tab so it's not going to like ruin your wall or your surface or whatever like that when you need to go remove it when you need to remove it yeah they're great for paint with you yeah i i did not know about command strips until we moved my daughter into her dorm room at her freshman year of college and she's like oh yeah we just got to get a bunch of command strips and i'm like how's that what's that and she's like i'm like oh yeah you just tack into the wall and then when you move out you take the screw out of the nail out of the wall and you put some toothpaste over it and you're good to go like everybody else does and uh which is another tip if you don't know of that one yep uh i only do it if you're not planning on moving back into that same place because it doesn't actually like you know that's not it's not like spackle where it just hides it visually but uh and she's like no command strips i'm like what and they they really they work amazingly well and like you said adam they have this little pull tab that releases them with generally without stripping the paint off the wall yeah yeah so you have a decent paint job it yeah paint job it yeah it might strip the paint off of dorm room walls because you know it's like one thin thin coat uh you know yeah so and well and i've got one other kind of tip i did not a techie tip whatever you mentioned conduit which brought me back to when we put our pool in many years ago you had over 150 feet of conduit well how are you going to get the line through that well watch the electrician and the way he did it is laid the conduit and he took twine uh he put the twine in on one end and he ran the shop back on the other and it sucked the twine through and then he tied it to the to the electrical cable and we were able to get it started that way so that's how we got i never yeah you've blown my mind here yeah like i i've i've known about like keeping string in conduit right like you always want to leave string in conduit so that you you know you can pull a cable through whatever and how do you get it there but how do you get the string there in the first place fact used to shop back like of course yeah dude yeah yep that would do it so tie it on the other hand any tips tie it on the other end first before you suck at the shop back because otherwise you need to bring the shop back to the other side you're gonna have a ball of string inside your shop back right that's right yeah whoops yeah huh brilliant oh i love this very cool great that's good i i think we should get onto some christmas questions stave okay john asks i'm upgrading my home wi-fi network uh from a wi-fi five deco setup to the wi-fi six e deco setup and uh he says well my password for my wi-fi five network was and is excellent i've been hesitant about changing it periodically because i have about 4500 iot devices uh all our home kid or matter devices or whatever i may i may have uh embellished their folks that i think he said 45 but it becomes like 4500 when you have to change the uh the the the wi-fi credentials on everyone he says but i know it's going to be a huge pain to migrate them all to my new network if i use a new password i also have dozens of automations etc etc i figured before i do anything rash i'd ask your opinion on whether it makes sense to change the ssid and password with my new network or make the new one exactly the same my current password is 20 random alphanumeric characters but it's the same as i set up almost six years ago i use one password to store all these things what do you guys think adam you want to can i put you on the spot what would you have advice for this i just keep the same password oh yeah same i mean here's the thing like i'm assuming he's like me and when he set it up that password is only on that wi-fi wi-fi network and it's only ever been used on that wi-fi network so unless that's been compromised in some way which seems highly unlikely um there's an i see very little risk yeah not changing i mean i know the best practices change your password frequently that is one area where i tend to not to because again i move to the practice of not using the same password everywhere i have different passwords they're very long i use 24 characters random with one password in like good luck yeah like yeah yeah yeah it also depends on the threat environment you're in you know if you're on two acres alone you know you're nowhere near as much as in an apartment building uh for everybody's network is there that's fair yeah yeah no but yeah my advice matches yours adam absolutely leave the leave the password the same dear heaven like i can't even imagine what my life would be like if i had to change the password every time i like tested a new wi-fi system or something i always about foul mouth and frustrated you talk about foul mouth and frustrated yeah exactly yeah uh yeah no no thank you um i years ago the and i'm curious what you guys use for your wi-fi passwords i use uh the the minimum for the original like wpa like the their web rather um was it required a minimum of 10 characters and so i standardized not just for myself but for clients that i was working with at the time because i knew they needed to have a password they would not forget because they were going to need it for their devices in the future and when a friend arrived at their house like all those things so for myself and all of my clients uh i standardized on something that we all know that is 10 digits long and that is your phone number with area code hit me in the us anyway seven digit phone number three digit area code and so this was back in the days of course when everybody had like a house number that's less common these days but but like the practice works and so that that's our password is our well now old house number but everybody knows it and it's fine and it works out great and uh but that's always been it so yeah yeah yeah Dave you taught me that and it's still mine is it really it's 17 years later yeah that yeah still yeah my old landline number yeah makes it so much easier how about you adam do you have a terrible to guess and and and communicate i guess terrible to communicate would be the password oh yeah no you you would never guess my wife fast it's randomly generated 24 character long from but i mean now with with what apple's built in like if someone comes over it's like tap the thing i also just i have a guest one that's not as difficult but with the guest one i also uh well i don't have it in this house i had it in my old house i printed it out as a qr code and stuck it on the wall and it just said guest wi-fi and you could walk over and scan the qr code and yes it would get you on the guest wi-fi network at my house yes so no one ever had to type the password yep no here in the studio i have um a qr code i put it on the beer fridge because i figured that everyone will see that comes over to rehearse or podcast in the studio so yep and i do have i do maintain a separate guest network from got it home network yeah yeah i i probably only family gets the home network yeah that's smart i probably should do that i i haven't i just give everybody my home network it's fine yeah um speaking of my home network my general setup is that i have a technology router it's these days it's the rt 6600 ax and then i often will leave the most of the time i leave the wi-fi on that disabled and i use whatever my you know favorite wi-fi mesh du jour is for a long time it's been iro and and that's kind of been my default just because it's so smart and and great at doing things but it had been a while since i tested synology's mesh and i thought you know i need to give this another shot the last time the last couple of times i tested synology's mesh it it did not go well that it was and it was it was immature is probably the right term to use so i did i moved over to synology's mesh and my my way of doing this is i set up you know the secondary mesh with a different name same password by the way but different name so you know it'd be my network name dash Synology or something and then i use it only on my devices and for a day or two and make sure everything is seems okay and then i rename it to match my main network name and then go into in this case the iro setup and change that network's name to something else so all of my devices just naturally flow to you know the network that i want to test as the primary and i have to say the Synology meshing has truly matured not only is it super reliable and we've had absolutely zero problems with it but the entire setup process of it is so much better than it used to be i remember doing it in the past i had to log in manually to each of the mesh points and update the firmware to match the firmware that was on my main router and i thought okay well you know i've got some time like i'll do this and it did it for me it found the mesh point and it was like hang on i gotta update the software on this and it's like oh look at you go like of course you know so really like my opinion on Synology mesh has has changed and and this is thanks to a lot of you who have been using it and said you know you should give this another shake and and so i did and it's it's been fine um truly we haven't had any issues it are the the the back of our house um like the patio that we have which is on the ground floor off the back of our house uh is interesting because the way our house is it's on a little bit of a slope and the the front of our our house appears to be two stories the back of our house because of the slope appears to be three our finished basement sort of comes out on the back but what that means is the back of my first story my basement story is all concrete other than like doors and windows and wi-fi does not go through concrete at all i would assume that concrete is probably surrounded on three sides by piles of dirt as well and and piles of dirt but even on the one side where it's not surrounded by piles of dirt the concrete and you know presumably the rebar in there that's holding a gauge going on bouncing things going around yeah correct it's all around like even with a door there like if i get perfect line of sight through a glass door i'm okay but otherwise it is no bueno so finding the right place to position a mesh access point to get to the outdoors because i like to have wi-fi on my patio for like sonos and things like that is always a trick so we're you know refighting that particular trick but other than that no no issue and that that has nothing to do with sonology that has everything to do with just physics you know so yeah yeah so my trick on that dave is i actually have the uh the mesh router sitting on a windowsill up on the third floor on the back of the house yes i was going to tell you the same thing so i'm using orbeez i used to use eero as well but i switched to orbeez when we came over here and um to get to my office it's a little distance but i have window to window sight of my daughter's room so there's like one in the window over there in the window over here they just yeah that's what i need to do i they we have a perfect window to put it in but it's in our perfect window for wi-fi location but it's in our living room right yeah and it's like a bay window and it's it's really kind of a visual uh you know like it's a thing and so yeah it's like oh what's that oh it's you probably need to get k i think they make outdoor ones now too they do you sit it just like outside but i need to get signal to it somehow like i would need to run ethernet to the outside like that's the the problem is getting you know my problem is getting wi-fi to the outside it's not a very long haul it's just a tricky haul is what it is yeah yeah but yeah yeah i gotta i gotta think more about this there's maybe even just putting it up near a window upstairs in the house would be enough to do yeah so if i was really smart the old owner here had run a bunch of ethernet over the roof in the other house oh it's really poorly done but there is an ethernet cable that sits out goes from inside to outside yeah and i could probably just bury a cable over here to the yeah just yeah take a trench and you know a shallow trench and lay it doesn't need to be very deep if you get they make direct burial ethernet cable and i've i've we have it here the previous owner did it here and i i did it with my father-in-law uh at his house he he wound up he had this house on an island and he wound up buying the neighbor's house and he didn't want to pay for two internet connections i'm like yeah obviously and so we buried it maybe four inches maybe uh on the on the parts that you would walk over right the parts where he wanted grass and then there was woods in between the two houses we literally just laid the cable on top of the leaves in the woods until we got you know to the edge of the woods near the the the second house and and you know that buried it for as long as we needed to and and that was that and it's fine that direct burial cable will deal with you know ice and snow and all of those things and then survive very very well uh so yeah no that direct burial cable is no joke i will say though put something on either end of that cable to insulate you from lightning grounded yet because it otherwise any lightning strike close by that becomes you know your lightning rod if you will and blows up things on either end i use the apc protect net adapters um and they just they're in line ethernet surge protectors is what they are um there are ones from ubiquity and i can't remember the name of it somebody was talking about it in the i think in the in discord but um but ubiquity makes them too and you know they're somewhere between 10 and 25 dollars a piece and and put you know get two of them one on either end please you know but yep yep cool yep cool abby honestly my mesh wi-fi with gigabit ethernet works yeah really you're able to get gigabit um gigabit you know internet connectivity i have we have gigabit here so is that what we're on right is that what you're on right now doing our our live streams and all that okay wow if you had told me that's what you were doing i would have freaked out but so you know you zoom calls all day and it works it works great i mean honestly what i'm getting out here is probably more like 300 400 at that point i'm not getting the full 900 but yeah well you don't need that much like you know right now i mean i'm streaming video out for this show and i can see that my upstream is about 240k so it's more about the latency excuse me the latency of it which clearly is not an issue so yeah yeah yeah yeah i didn't realize that Synology had mesh routers now they have for quite some time yeah yeah great by me yeah you can mesh with everything except the the 1900 ac so the 6600 can be a router and or a mesh access point the 2600 can be a router or mesh access point and then there's the the mr 2200 ac which really truly was built to be an access point but i think you can also kind of use it as a standalone router if you really wanted to wow okay and then there's the wrx 560 which is the newest one and that also is a router or a mesh access point so yeah no it's it's very smooth and slick i've been i've been impressed with it yeah so in fact it was getting your vpn set up last week p that sort of dug me back into srm the Synology router manager i was like you know it's i'm like i'm in here now i'm not like i didn't add it to yours i added to mine it was like ah you know like my head's in this i might as well just kind of keep tugging on this thread so it really wasn't it wasn't that difficult they made it easy i don't know where are we here um cure it i think cure it thank you yeah cure it has a nice little networking tip so i'm writing about the second the internet service in my house which may not apply to 95 of the audience i i'm not convinced of this with most of us relying on our home internet connection for some portion of our jobs i think what cure it shares with us is relevant to more than more than just five percent of us it says uh i have high speed xfinity service in the house which is spread in our rather large home with a router and multiple access points generally we get eight to nine hundred gigs down and is very reliable the problem is we are very much internet dependent household our two daughters frequently visit and work from home and i also do a lot of remote work as well two to three times a year because of weather or some construction the internet goes down for several hours and uh sometimes a day or two it's not frequent but when it happens it feels catastrophic so i wanted a backup plan but it was very hesitant uh and to do something that was expensive and high maintenance whenever i looked i got a t-mobile home internet box for 50 bucks a month i installed it myself at a great location there's an app on the phone that helps you figure out where your best reception is then i hooked up five euro pros on sale at amazon on black friday so the cost was 500 bucks for the euro pros and 50 a month for the t-mobile box and it is amazing i get anywhere uh everywhere everywhere in the house i get 600 meg download speeds and both internets are independent from others so i can jump from one wi-fi network to the other mine is an expensive solution he says but if someone like me doesn't want any blackout times it's perfect so um you you this works there are a couple of ways to make this less expensive one of them cure it is definitely not going to want to hear because xfinity in most locations offers their own version of this which is much less expensive and it automatically kicks in when your you know cable internet comes out you may not have this available to you cure it so perhaps uh this wasn't an option but yes it's it's doable the other thing is some routers and the synology routers are amongst them will allow you to set up not one but two internet like wan connections and have them either do uh load balancing or failover and you pick the primary in the second area when one fails it just automatically cuts over you don't have to switch wi-fi networks etc etc obviously your solution is robust because you can pick which one you want to be on that you don't quite get that with the others but yeah have have either of you messed with like the t-mobile home internet no i was going to say i actually appreciate it when my internet goes out because it means i get free time off you go you you could sorry my internet's down people yeah i work today for the next five hours all right yeah you could have this though you could have a backup connection that is is private and yours and no one knows about so when when your primary internet goes down you can still netflix yourself so yeah yeah i mean i can still netflix on my you know on my cell phone connection usually like usually oh that's fair that's down my you know frozen isn't down or whatever yeah so you know i in a pinch wi-fi hot spotted or whatever and that's enough for me but i mean he's talking about a whole family you know with multiple people needing you know it's not a one-off thing right yeah uh but yeah i know it's it's it's a good thing i mean and i think we've already talked about this in the past the other thing that you would want to support that and i'm assuming he's got it is battery backups for your routers yep yep and i recommend a a battery backup that is dedicated just for your router and your wi-fi access point well initially i put one on like my whole network rack of things but when when you're also running you know a a sonology disk station or three that have you know spinning hard drives in them that battery power doesn't last very long you might get 15 20 minutes out of it whereas if you're only running your router these are very low power devices you get you know hours or sometimes days depending on how much battery power you have and and that can be a game changer uh so yeah yeah get get two ups and dedicate one for the low power stuff yeah yeah that's good advice i like it yeah you can with the sonology routers you can connect you can tether your phone to them via usb and have your phones wi-fi or your phone's hot spot it's not wi-fi from your phone but shared via your you know sonology router too obviously you know you may wind up using lots more data on your phone than you normally would so you know be prepared for that but that it does work in a pinch yeah all right david shall i shall yeah you want to take us to david yeah yeah to date i bring my i he says today i bring my iphone 15 oh let me start higher sorry i am a one carry on i set you up for failure traveler yeah so this is it he's traveling he's got one duffel bag he says today i bring my iphone 15 usb c air pods pro and my tiny anchor nano charger the phone charges overnight the air pods while i shower and eat breakfast i will need to travel with my m1 macbook pro from time to time but don't want to lug that huge charger i'm thinking about it i don't need to fast charge overnight is fine my ai engine informs me that the m1 pro can run indefinitely at 30 watts so i'm thinking about getting the anchor 47 watt to usb port charger um which is folds and gallium night tried i think yeah fast charger that in so it's super small and he says i assume that running that overnight the charger will adapt to push the full 47 watts to the laptop when the phone tops itself off do you think this is sufficient or should i bump up to a larger 65 watt charger for more headroom i i think the 47 watt is going to be fine i i i basically do this now i do it with an m1 air uh sorry now an m2 air so it less it consumes less power than a macbook pro but i did have that that m1 macbook pro for a short stint and it charges fine like you said it will even charge on a 30 watt charger it like it's not like the intel days where you i i think the intel like the the 16 inch intel macbook pro i don't think 30 watts was enough to even hold the charge like it would it would delay the inevitable but i think that was in no that's an i mean i have that's the machine i have it's a 96 watt machine yeah you're right right yeah exactly right exactly and i and i know this because i have a dock that supplies that but if and i haven't have it plugged in now because if my battery is totally dead and i connect it even to that that anchor dock that should supply 95 watts i got a bunch of other stuff plugged into it it doesn't provide enough power i have to plug in at least to get the battery up enough where the machine will come on and then it can kind of hold the charge it will charge it slowly but yeah nope but the new machines they don't require a ton of power no they're super efficient i you know i was thinking about you the other day i don't oh i was packing to just go overnight to boston and i don't even think i brought a charger for my laptop with me i'm sure i had something that could have done it but it like i was going away overnight and my laptop was charged like there was no world where i was going to need all that juice that was in the old days when you couldn't do that correct and i was thinking about those old days and i was thinking about you adam because i know you aren't yet on an intel laptop and i thought you know that i've learned to take for granted all right you weren't yet on an apple silicon laptop i've learned to take for granted the you know 15 to 20 hours of actual battery life on a laptop and i think if you were in a scenario where you were traveling more that would probably be the thing that tips the scales for you know for someone oh i'm close i i'm of course you're close i understand i'm trying to remember is it 2018 or 2019 yeah i remember which it is i think it's 20 it's 2019 okay last the last of the until i think yeah so santa didn't bring you a new laptop this morning is what i mean santa could bring me a new laptop i just chosen that you know this has actually been serving me and continues to serve me so i don't see a real need like davis saying if i suddenly was traveling more you know and i have an m1 for work so that's right i forgot that your yes i could do that but i mean that's not my that's not my machine that's my work machine right right okay yeah so you're you right so you yeah you've experienced it you've experienced it that's the right word yeah yeah i mean honestly i've often thought about replacing this with a desktop machine because i it does i don't go anywhere with it anymore and when i do travel my ipad works great i probably get a new ipad i'll probably get a new m series ipad before i get a new laptop be honest that's interesting yeah i use i love my ipad with it with the keyboard and um the only problem now is that i have i can't even remember which generation i think it's a second gen yeah 11 inch ipad pro um and the only problem there is somehow it now has a little tiny hairline crack down in the lower part of the display oh and part of the pixel have gone out so it's it's starting to die okay literally die to the point where like i'm like i should probably displace this so so i i mean i know of of people like you that that when you travel you are comfortable leaving the house with just an ipad what is that like i maybe i should ask a more specific question that i hadn't really sat down to prep but my my fear my concern in doing that is i would need to do something that is difficult if not impossible to do on an ipad like you know a server would go down and i would need to like ssh in and and work with it there and i know that there are i mean i have the prompt app from panic on my phone and my ipad like with the keyboard on your ipad it are things like that functional like could you really okay yeah the the only thing that i can't do on it and again i'm not generally traveling for work anymore yeah is the only thing that i can't do is as you know as a web developer i set up i like having set up a local dev environment so i run a patchy i run sure a db and everything locally on my laptop when i'm doing development that you can't do on an ipad obviously yeah but yeah that's just me being lazy though because like there's so many web based i could set up a web you could set up a cloud based dev server like most people do that's right yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's just me that's just a me thing i just haven't wanted to change my my workflow but i mean honestly it'd be probably better to set something like if you did that s3 server you know yeah yeah yeah exactly if you did that or linode or something um yeah would could you then from your ipad if the dev server was was living on a different machine somewhere could you do most of the development or at least in a pinch do enough from your ipad alone got ftp client you know i've got transmit still ftp client still works so like all that stuff super simple you know like like you said ssh i mean honestly i could set up my server environment on my sonology i just haven't done that even oh that's right using docker you know yes yes of course like or just set up straight like there's a million ways to do this to solve this problem i just haven't but yeah that that accepted you would be you would be able to be functional with your job and and everything else just on the ipad yeah i i need to i need to open that door again for myself it is so tempting to do that to try that yeah because i have my biggest thing has always been recording my other show yeah but i have because streamyard the way it works it takes the file up i we've had several guests record from an ipad and the microphone on that is even really good yeah obviously you could take a hub and plug it into the ipad so i can use these nice microphones there's no reason not to do it and it's certainly lighter than my macbook pro 60 inch yeah and that's the thing i've always had like a small macbook air so it like the difference for me between an ipad with a keyboard and a 13 inch or now i guess it's a 14 inch air it i mean there's a difference don't get me wrong but it's not a massive difference you know so but the keyboards now for the ipads come with track pads oh yeah and you know you set up the hub and huh i'm pretty sure if i'm not mistaken that jason snel still does oh yeah his entire podcast production flow on an ipad pro totally that's right yeah yeah he does he does that just cost me a lot of money son of a gun yeah that's true we teach you how to spend a lot of money to make yourself feel really good about a marginal gain of something yeah that's right lighter backpack a lighter backpack that there you go that's right yep yeah all right this is um this is good i like this oh i also wanted to mention i told you guys earlier so anchor i love them like these nano chargers are all their chargers are incredible and i love their cables too and so like i maintain because my family is constantly oh i need a i need a new cable i just started maintaining a store here behind me anchor store i like buy like patches of cables in like tens or yeah 20s and and chargers i have extra and nano chargers and yeah inevitably one of my family members is going to go i oh i need a new charger ever it's like that all right come to the store do you make them pay you well i mean you know there's a convenience fee as well in addition to the cost like you know it's right here same day delivery part of their problem is they like those long 10 foot cables and those things i mean anchor makes great ones and they're not too expensive but they don't last you know they'll last about a year or so yeah yeah they're just too long yeah they're too long there's too much strain on them when they're pulling them around it's when they're yeah yanking them around yeah exactly yep all right um let's see i want to let's yeah let's do yon here has uh has a question it says over the years i've had multiple personal and work max and multiple time machine backups for each computer on separate hard drives some of these hard drives are quite old and i'm worried they'll stop working at some point yeah i that's not a worry it's a it's a win not an if uh can i consolidate the data from each of these time machine hard drives onto one new drive an ssd or rotational for example can i just copy and paste the latest time machine backup from each time machine hard drive onto the new ssd will all of the files move over what do you think adam yep i mean this is something that came up in a similar way on the maccast back in september uh i had somebody who just wanted to know i'm getting that you know i have a time machine drive it's 500 gigabytes i want to move to a larger one i'm getting a five terabyte drive can i migrate all that stuff over and when i did the research for it what i found was an article from our friends at clean my mac 10 um yeah i have we'll get a link to it but okay link to it in the in the maccast from the 918 episode if you want to look for that too you can find the find the link i'll put links to all of it here yep yeah okay um but also in the show notes for mac geek have obviously mech of course com slash show notes um but yeah so they had a process where you could do this but it was an older article and you definitely could when it was mac west extended journal uh partitioning format so there's a whole process for doing it you have to kind of modify some of the permissions the ownership of the drive so that you can move things around um and you can move the file over the backup backup db file and then reset it back up and it should just work i haven't personally tried it or done it but i would presume that it does and i think it used to work that way i wasn't unsure about the new apfs system only because i'm pretty sure apfs has a special way of like handling data and linking at least from the research that i did um but the one recommendation i thought you could do is you could probably set up the new drive as you know and just let it do its thing and it might actually bring over that historical indexing i seem to think that i did that one time with a drive but um you know for me like i i've always felt the last thing i'll add to this is for me personally because i have other forms of backup that maintain an archive specifically you know some of the things we talked about with how i'm using chrono sync and other things i've never had this attachment i mean people have a strong attachment to their time machine history for some reason and i very rarely have ever had to go back in my time machine history to like get something every once in a while but my theory is you know if i deleted it three months ago then i deleted it for a reason like it didn't get accidentally deleted right i'm not expecting that file to be there it's great that time machine might have that file but so i'm not attached to my time history so i just would get a new drive plug it in and just let it do its thing and start start from that point forward but yeah that's just me i that seems to be where i go to yeah yeah yeah same i i would i would start new i would not attempt to move my time machine around but i and i'm like you i i am of the belief that if it if i deleted it three months ago and i haven't needed it in three months like it i'm i'm good however there there is an exception that i experienced to this exact rule and time machine i believe was the thing that saved my bacon i had not done a like a speaking presentation for several months it might have been like six months or something just the way a schedule worked or whatever and then i had one coming up and i'm like yeah i'm just going to redo you know i'm going to do the the one on wi-fi i need to update it but you know i'll start with the bones of of what i had and i went and looked and my presentations folder the entirety of it was just not there i'm like what and i looked and i looked in recent backups and i can't remember if it was time machine or if it was like a clone of an old drive or something that where i finally found it i must have accidentally deleted it at some point and because it wasn't something that i needed to access regularly i just i lost it but thankfully i was able to to bring it back and everything was good so i i mean i do get that there is a value to this and that's what backups are for and all of that but time machine is so darn unreliable for me that i've learned that i can't keep a time machine back up like if i keep one for a year that's long for me you know i once it gets corrupted i just wipe it out and start from scratch it's like yeah whatever it's done so yeah if i were in uh yon's scenario here i would just like you said adam start on the new drive but don't throw away the old drive yet correct right like that's your archive and and let it sit and someday maybe a year from now you say okay well i don't need that around anymore and you let it go but all that said i think copying a time machine backup um folder if you will is especially if it well yeah this is we're talking about on a on a direct attached drive i know john used to he would back up he has two disk stations so he backs up his mac to one of them this is jambron backs up his mac to one of them and then uses like synology's hyper backup or something to copy his backup from one disk station to the other and then when it would get corrupted he would just copy it back and resume backing up to the restored backup of his backup right and so he was able to maintain a very long history by by doing this but time machine is very different when it's backing up to a network drive in terms of what it needs on the disk what you said about needing the right file structure and all of that when it's direct attached i i believe you are right so that's just from the research that i did yeah pfs works differently under the hood with how it connects things up so i don't know if you can just direct copy there might be a way to clone it to maintain right yeah stuff like it would require more research than i was able to figure out but what time machine does for a network drive is it creates a disk image and then within that disk image it does all its magic and all john was doing was just restoring the disk image with all its magic intact because that's how disk images are so yeah because i'm looking at i'm looking at mine right now and i have i don't know how many different yeah files on here going back to 2022 and each one of them have a back dash hd data thing in it and i don't know maybe it would work yeah yeah maybe yeah no because like with it uses hard links is what time machine relies on which are kind of like aliases in in a sense but at one level deeper i'll say a hard link when you save a file on your drive it saves it to wherever it saves it and then it puts in the directory a link to the where that file actually lives like there's the there's the directory entry that says you know here's dave's test file dot html or whatever and and then it points to where the actual data for the file is so there's the directory entry and then there's the actual data for the file with time machine it creates another entry in the directory that points to the same file and that way that's how it rolls things forward without making multiple copies of the same thing it only makes cop you know new copies copies of new things or change things and and so migrating i think if you were to copy a time machine folder to a new drive it would take up infinitely more space because it would copy every version of that file forward right so yeah yeah yeah i i i think i gave you on bad advice of just yeah copy it you'll be fine i think you'll test it maybe fair yeah fair maybe the finder's smart and is like oh this is a time machine volume hold my beer let me you know yeah i don't honestly never tried it and i couldn't find any definitive answers in all the research that i did so yeah well the other thing that i'll add is i have three time machine backup locations i have a little thumb drive then i have another little uh oh gosh don't get old it's bad for your memory solid state drive ssd yep that's i think two terabytes something like that and i use that and then i have my disk station so i i have it rotate through three different places so with all the opportunity for cruft and corruption i'm hoping that one of those will work yeah i think i need something i i just use a difference you know like i said different strategy for what i call archive backups like we've talked about i use i have my croto sync that goes to my drobo and doesn't delete you know is set to not delete so it keeps anything that i've ever needed yeah yeah yeah and same thing with then i have also back plays which does the same thing it yeah it has its own history and i that's where i've recovered that scenario that you described Dave i've done it through back plays i've just went oh crud now there's that presentation yeah like i've had to recover like old old client websites like some client contacts me but again i also don't generally have those on my my drobo as well so yeah that's interesting just doing a sync that never a one-way sync that never deletes that never carries forward a delete and i like that all right yeah i was just gonna say the last thing about that the thing about drobo i would be careful about is i had a power supply going my drobo and not now i'm host you know because they got that some of them have different little power supplies and i didn't have anything laying around yeah i mean you don't have a new inbox drobo three just sitting on a shelf that you never did i don't i see one on the store shelf behind you there maybe you could send me there's a convenience fee for adam store recently added yeah that's right yeah but i mean that that's even gonna be dead here in a few months we talked about that too i'm yeah moving everything over to a new sinology soon here i think yep yeah yeah that's where i'm going so yeah you want to take us to mark p i do we had a geek challenge answered this week oh man and you know what i can't tell you mark why didn't you write me five years ago i've been trying to figure out why did mark read your mark read your future mind yeah there's there's an app for this or i want to create a i'm gonna create this app and it'll be brilliant we'll make a billion dollars and yeah no so my problem was i wanted to be able to send debbie a text right now it's three o'clock in the morning i'm on the airplane we're taking off on time i'll see you in the morning but i didn't want to wake her up at three in the morning she gets a little cranky so you know seven a.m seven thirty when she gets up with her son to get him off to school i want that text to arrive how do i send a text later mark writes in uh and i lost it there it is uh i have not done this for some time all right long and short of it that's it yeah okay i have not done this sometime for some time but pretty sure you can still send an email to a text a cell phone number you need to know that format format for example at and t's is the number at txt.att.net and i found a list pete that i put in the show notes thank you that that translates most i don't want to say every but many phone carriers uh email to sms gateways so that's in the show notes right you know at mackeykev.com so yes like right and yeah and so you can do it even mint mobile is on there and yeah and and all of those and it he gave me one and i clicked on it and it it turns out the website has changed a little bit it's now later dot i o so set up an account they have uh uh several pricing plans free you can send up the 30 emails a month 10 maximum contacts per account 10 maximum recipients per email and you can send up to a one year in the future it goes all the way up to enterprise which is you know $83 a month but for $40 a year $33 33 cents a month you can create a thousand emails per month 10,000 maximum contacts per account 500 maximum recipients per email 100 megabyte attachment per account 20 i'm sorry yeah per account i think for your purposes pete even the free account the free account is going to be just fine absolutely totally with the paid one you can send in a text to somebody up to 25 years hence that gets creepy pete yeah yeah that's creepy no right wait well yeah yeah my dad uncle bob sent me an email yeah send me a text so but you can it isn't just one and send it later this morning you can send them on a recurring basis every saturday morning i wanted to you know yeah remind me to do this remind me so you get a text obviously from an email address but later this is brilliant yeah so cool um and it works with any email address so you know have fun with your duck dot com email and i like it i yeah no i would i i think the free one would solve this problem because you you know you're it's probably going to be a handful of people that you would be sending these to and you just load them up and and then you're off to the races later dot i o that this is brilliant yep somebody else's server that's the cloud yep and you know i just didn't think about creating it as a web website web side server function yeah yeah cool another fortune passed up dave because i just didn't think of it in time uh you know here's my here's my thing i i always say if you want an idea to be worth a hundred dollars write it on a hundred dollar bill because there you go by themselves ideas are worth nothing it's all about implementation right you got to execute and you and and you really need to just grind it out so just because someone has already implemented this idea doesn't mean that there's not a better way to do it a better you know implementation i mean look at you know we weren't the first mac podcast adam was or maybe shan k was but you know like and we certainly weren't the first mac website with mac observer we weren't you know but it didn't matter like you you know you you you you do it your way and any business can can thrive you don't you don't need to wait for the best idea you need to have a decent idea and you need to be willing to put your nose to the grindstone and ignore all the naysayers and just grind it out and of course i will i will say this because i know it from personal experience the worst naysayer is the one that sounds just like me in my own head so yeah look where zoom ended up yeah right they weren't the first no by a long shot not by a long shot yep microsoft slash skype squandered the first to market lead by like somehow i don't know how they were dumb they were dumb yeah we're just dumb yep i agree they got too complacent like a lot of people do so yep yeah that's it yeah you think because no one else is you know you just because you can't see your competition in the rearview mirror doesn't mean you think oh they're they're fine i've always said you know the the new company has to move much faster and have far more momentum to catch up to where the market is and then if they're a company that's used to working at that speed they will keep moving at that speed when they catch you and then they will move past you and zoom there's no better example of this than apple right right right iphone yeah yeah yeah i mean i guess we could argue that they were first to market with their first product right like they pre-built ready to go out of the box works for you mostly personal computer i think apple like we could an argument can be made pretty succinctly that that they did that first it was not the first personal computer but it was the first for the every person but then again that's kind of what apple does is they're the first for the every person yeah yep yep now you're right that's blackberry about how the uh right right they had the market cornered yep yep um adam you cost me money the out yep but thankfully not not it not a terrible amount uh because i bought this um on a black friday sale but months ago before you joined the show like uh you know full time uh you mentioned the wireless carplay adapter from carlink and it's like the carlink kit or whatever so i bought the 5.0 carlink kit 5.0 on amazon black friday and i was gonna like give it to myself as a christmas present but i couldn't wait because i needed to see if it was gonna work holy cow it works ridiculously well it like you just you plug it in you you pair up with your phone and then it's fun and there's even a little web interface on it i don't know if you knew about this that you can update the firmware and tweak some settings and like all of those things it's fun and it works and yeah it takes a second to connect i mean it's not yes super fast but i've heard the same thing about built-in wireless carplay i don't know how it compares but yeah it's like magic you once you got it set up and plugged in like i've mentioned for me it works 90% of the time and occasionally it'll work out but usually yeah that just involves unplugging it for a couple seconds and plugging it back in yes yeah it really amazing and i was concerned with battery life right you know because i'm used to using carplay when my phone is plugged in for obvious reasons and charging so i was like well what's this going to be like i had a shortly after i got it i had a rehearsal down in massachusetts which is about a two hour drive each way and i so i used i used this for that whole day and i looked at my battery strength when i got you know got in the car and it was at 83% when i got home so this is after driving down driving back and at a you know three hour rehearsal where my phone is like you know also sort of like burning its battery as it does and you know i was like using it i'm sure i checked my email when i got there and i probably checked before i left and all that stuff 20% of my battery was used that's it for four hours of driving and you know two to three hours of just normal phone time that that's not terrible and what i realized as i dug into this is that apple demands of people like manufacturers who are putting carplay in as a like you know from the manufacturer thing wireless carplay if the car has a gps antenna in it carplay must be given access to use that gps antenna when wireless carplay is active so that the phone's battery isn't being burned down and also so that you're not relying on you know the phone if it's in somebody's pocket or whatever like they want the experience to be good so they mandate this the car link kit at least the version 5.0 is one of the few of these aftermarket you know sort of hacky janky carplay wireless things that uses the car's gps if the car has it not every car does yeah my car does and so i think that's a big part of why it's not chewing up so much of the battery and i had no idea about any of this until after i bought it because then i started researching i'm like okay why is this working and it is interesting i parked my car in a garage and uh it i can guarantee that it's not using the phone's gps because it takes my carplay far longer than it used to to triangulate my position as i'm driving out of the neighborhood i mean it you know it takes a minute it's not a huge deal but it used to be exact like i would drive out of my garage and i would show where i was like on my driveway and now it's like you're somewhere in this vicinity and it's like oh it's not using the phone's gps it's truly relying on the cars and the car has had first of all the car's been off so now it's got to sync up and it's garaged so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a great little thing i mean they're really quirky but i i mean just the fact that they work is pure magic it's magic so now for battery though you don't have one of these janky in-car wireless charging that's because i have one of these and my wife has one in her car i don't know if anybody experiences they don't they don't work like they have to be so precision aligned and you're driving so the phone's like bouncing and then the phone mine the phone moves over and it suddenly starts stops charging to the point where i won't do it because there's no way i'm putting velcro on the back of my phone sure but like where i've wanted to just like velcro like put velcro strips so that it would stay in the exact right like if it's off by a millimeter that thing doesn't work i wonder i think in my wife's car i wonder if you could get like so i'm thinking magsafe here right one of those little rings just a ring with it with with a with a with you know sticky tape magnetic ring yeah yeah the magnetic ring on the charger part yeah correct because i think you can get those i think that would work well i've seen them for like um phone cases that don't for phones that don't have their own magsafe you can like sort of retrofit your phone with magsafe or whatever and so like i yeah i think you could they may not sell it somebody's actually gonna sell it to you for exactly what this purpose yeah i i think that i would do that for sure yeah yeah yeah yeah no my car doesn't have that my car doesn't have that yeah it's not worth it i mean i don't know maybe people can have different opinions are certain cars are better than others but because it doesn't have the magsafe alignment thing and maybe it works better with android phones i don't know but with sure my iphone and it's been two cars one's a Honda one's a Ford so i don't think it's i don't i think it's just yeah whatever cheapo chi charging mat they put in there but i think mostly what the problem is you're driving so of course it's gonna move around vibrating and your phone's gonna move around right it absolutely eventually it starts out great and then eventually just moves off the pad and you can see it on the headset display it's like stop charging and so you move it over charging oh this sounds safe yeah that sounds great yeah well i actually have a magsafe charging event mounted you know so it plugs into that so that would charge my phone and then i can uh i but i could either plug it into my phone or plug it into the the magsafe charger but i'd like to be able to plug it into the magsafe charger and then do wireless carplay yeah that's the way to go no this thing is great and i i did use velcro once i proved that the carlink kit adapter worked you know like you said 90 i would even say like 95 percent of the time like it's fairly reliable occasionally i like i think twice since i've had it in the last month i've had to do the little you know unplug you have a 5.0 i think i have a 3.0 all right okay yeah maybe it's better one piece of advice i read and i immediately ignored this of course was they said if you get it and once you get it to the point where it's working never update the firmware like unless you have a reason to don't update the firmware for the sake of updating the firmware because you're a nerd and so obviously the first thing i did was i updated the firmware because duh but that does sound like good advice like you know so yeah yeah i haven't touched mine i think i did update it when i first got it because it was just out of date with sure whatever the current version was and i want to start at the current point but i have not updated the firmware since yeah it's probably smart yeah if it ain't broke fix it till it is all right thanks for hanging out with us everybody it's been uh we we we i we i thought we we had so many other things we were gonna do and yet here we are already running it an hour and 20 minutes so i gotta circle back one quick thing okay roddell and discord said he you know he'd been using later died i o he uses reminder guru dot com also oh we will put that link in the show notes too okay yeah reminder guru i like it yeah reminder guru somehow somehow we'll get there yeah reminder guru dot com okay great thanks for hanging out with us folks it's been as always it's been fun it's been real it's been real fun it has been what a way to spend a christmas morning of course we record this before christmas as you as you might guess but it will be released on christmas morning and you can listen at your leisure whenever you like we recorded it just for you again thanks for hanging out with us thanks to cash fly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you go check out so there i was pete's podcast about aviation you can check out business brain and gig gab uh with the shows that i do you might hear me do my first ever solo podcast episode coming up uh maybe even this week on gig gap so stay tuned for i know times they change adam do you have any uh lasting advice for everyone to hopefully last them the week yep just like santa dropping off your gifts don't get caught where is the thing oh i did it i didn't play the uh i didn't play the outro i can't believe i didn't play the outro okay well that's fine it's done it's over great minds think alike yep santa don't get caught yep yep yep