 So I have a couple of questions. Ray, I wanted to start with you because you're fresh in my mind. A lot of the stuff that you talked about was the library engaging with other libraries, media. What's the patron involvement like? Are people posting book faces back at you? Do you have people in your community who are getting on board? What's that like? We actually did set up a display one time calling for people to check out books and do their own book faces. Unfortunately, there was none posted. But when we had the Berlin Game of Thrones thing out, people posted. People sat on the throne and then they used the hashtag. So it was, again, I think it's the medium that you're asking for. In terms of the book faces, we have patrons waiting for our next book face. Oh, I can't wait for you to shoot. What are you going to do next? And that's kind of what is my challenge is pushing the limit. How can I shoot another book face that's going to top the next one? Bryce, the alt library, I don't know a lot about the background of that. How do you get to play with the things that you get to play with, it seems like, on a regular basis? Sure, so I was lucky when I came on board at SPL because a lot of things were already in place. So I worked with Amy and Calm to kind of niched out what we wanted everything to look like. And it was really the thing that's most valuable about that setup, I think, is that there aren't many checks and balances or anything like that. So it's just you have this third party platform and you can just go in and post some kind of idea. And then it's live. So I'm able to go through ideas and get feedback from the online community quicker versus just having folks come into the library or doing traditional programs and everything. So we're able to cycle through more quickly. But it's really that structure that's valuable. And we spent probably, was it a year? I think it may have taken a year to get all the branding and everything hammered out. But now it just takes a couple of minutes to post something and try out new ideas. I know you guys have questions. I actually have two questions for Amy or Bryce. For your Meetup accounts, are you guys collecting statistics somehow? How are you gauging the success of Meetup and whether or not it's worth for a library to invest in? So good question. So Meetup Pro does give you some more options with the analytics. Even with the regular version, you can just track membership. So seeing that increase is one metric. Also RSVPs show more engagement as do comments. I would say in terms of success, eventually you want to convert people to be library users and multi-service users. So one of the things, the whole library one that I mentioned has done, sorry, not anything allowed, that librarian looked at the interests of her members and saw travel was there. So she told them about our passport services and travel books at one of her events. She was able to see if they were interested in crafting or magazines or travel. I already said travel. Anyway, that's a good question because I think it's not just any one metric because members, if people don't engage, aren't as valuable. And if they don't convert to library users, it's not as valuable. So I would think you would want to look at a couple of different levels. Thank you. And you had mentioned that the music event that you had, all of the people who came were non-traditional library users. How did you gauge that? How did you capture that information? Oh, that's a great question. So that librarian did surveys with the people who came to that event since it was a new thing. So she was able to get feedback of how they heard about it and that it was all coming through meetup and not dirt-traditional. They were walking into the library or using the library website to hear. Sorry, I think I got you off. Sorry about that. And a lot of times, too, I'll ask folks that attend different on-ground workshops, how they heard. Some folks are the returning patrons. But every now and again, with a certain event, we'll get this influx of folks where I haven't seen them before. So I'll ask them, how did you learn about the program? So a lot of it is that word of mouth, and especially with different kind of artist communities and friend of a friend. We've done different things like cassette tape splicing and stuff like that where it's out there on the site and then people may find out about it later on and then they're like, oh, when is that gonna happen again? Do you still have 400 cassette tapes at your desk or whatever it might be? So where do you store all the cassette tapes? So my second question, I think, Bryce, you touched on it very briefly about sort of reaching the elusive 20 to 30-something age group, and I'm currently doing research about that. And I sort of wanna know your experience. Do you feel that meetup is actually a great way to sort of outreach to this age group? Are these members attending multiple events and coming back, or is it more of a one-off event? You don't really see them again. Like how are you seeing this age group? So it's really, there's a lot of different variables and it depends on the content and what folks in the community, what their interests are. So certain things like, if it's kind of more like music and collaborative kind of creativity and everything, a lot of times that'll attract a different crowd than say the fitness stuff. And then we have people that, just looking at technology and they don't have a Facebook account or anything like that because they don't wanna be friends with their mom. So it's interesting to see how things change because what people that come to, and even when we started using meetup because it was something that I wasn't super familiar with but then I was like, oh, meetup is like, that's something that people are using in the past and that's like done with, right? But the way that we're going about with advertising on there and everything, it's something that has some new twists to it. So I think it creates more of a maybe a spark with certain programs and everything but I don't have a definite answer with connecting with overall those age groups. It seems like there's so many different kind of interests and almost like clicks so you have folks that go to our board gaming event, well anything with alcohol does well but the folks that, so board games and beers and everything. So a lot of things like that, it'll draw into a different crowd and it's just we're just putting out the information and creating the events and everything and tying it back to library services and so it helps show kind of how different our users are. So I think by going through and doing different types of programs and just doing them more quickly and being experimental, that's how you create more of a buzz and that's how you come across kind of interesting and exciting discoveries and that's when you get like another library that calls you and be like, did you do this? Did this really happen? And it's like, yeah and then you can give little tips and everything. So actually if any of you ever have an idea that you think would be something that an old library could do that maybe your library can't do at the moment because there's certain restrictions and everything, feel free to send us an email. Maybe we'll throw it out there and see what happens and maybe it could turn into something. So you steal all the ideas? I think he's advocating to steal. I think he wants our ideas. All the things. I think he's asking you to give them away. Send me ideas that you cannot do at your library and I will do them at mine. He has no red tape. He can do whatever he wants. Here's why Bryce is coercing you. We're all on the same side, right? That's a lie. Can't we all just get along? I just have a comment for Ray. Well, Berlin Game Library's Instagram account like really it really influenced Los Gatos Library to start a strong social media campaign and so thank you for the inspiration and it's weird because you're like younger than me and I'm like fanboying out or I'm totally geeking out because you do such a good job. Thank you. I totally appreciate the compliment. My question is I'm really impressed by your stop motion videos and so like what apps are you using for that and what other kind of like what other influences or what kind of like websites can we look at to get influences on ideas for social media? I highly suggest to answer the second part of your question is to follow Instagram themselves because they do a great job of highlighting accounts across the board and I got a lot of my inspiration from some of the posts that they post. In fact, every weekend they do what's called a weekend hashtag campaign where they encourage users to post something along a certain theme. Like I'm pretty sure Halloween's coming up so they're gonna do something along the lines of spooky posts. Participate in it, look at the hashtag and you'll see a lot of Instagram users posting some very creative stuff. As far as the stop motion videos, most of them if not all are made through a simple free app, it's called iMotion. That's one of the comments that I get a lot on our account is what did you use to make that and how did you make it? It's called iMotion. There's a second app that you could get along with iMotion, it's called iMotion Remote. Basically, you take individual pictures and then the app stitches them together but just the act of pressing your phone creates a little camera shake. So this secondary app called iMotion Remote, you could use a second device to actually take the pictures so then you have your phone staying still and my setup for my phone is simply a lamp. Tape to a, or a selfie stick, tape to a lamp so then my camera stays, or my phone stays still while I take the pictures and usually just have a white poster board as the bottom just to make it look crisp. Is that the industry standard, right? No, no, no, not at all. That actually, you guys have all been talking about kind of ways that you discover things and I wanted to ask Nicole and Angela, how do you come across the fads or trends or trads or fens that you were sort of talking about? I'm just not that cool. Where do you get these things? Well, I think a lot of it is inherent to being teen librarians too. We're both teen librarians and even when you don't want them to talk to you about things, they talk to you about things and I think it's really helpful to make yourself available to them. I know a lot of times, like most libraries have a teen area, I know when they're there, I'm just like walking around just chatting with them. They're usually on their phone. I'm like, oh, what are you playing over there? Or, it really just happens a lot with conversation. I have family members that are that age so that helps to kind of tap them for information. My own kids are only three and seven so they don't really give me much of anything. At least not yet. I mean, they give me something but they don't give me helpful or useful information. So yeah, so I really get connected with your, for me, it's the teen group. I think being a teen librarian is inherent with keeping up with the things that are going on right now, Angela. Yeah, I'm playing this really addictive game that I'll play for the next week because of them. Additionally, if you've seen the video about pineapple pen, that's something where you're like, I was pineapple pen in like three weeks. It's gonna be all over Facebook and you'd be like, oh, I wish I was on that. They're with it for the whole fad stage and then once it gets to their parents' accounts, it's not cool. So I hang out with them a lot. Also the internet, like I saw Alt Library meetup group last year and I was like, oh, we gotta steal this idea and not tell them about it and it'll be ours. And we were waiting to hire our adult services librarian to come in. I was like, the first thing before she got hired, I sent her a link to Alt Library. She was like, we need to do this. So the internet, I steal many, I don't know if you saw my meme presentation, I steal a lot of things from the internet. I think we have time for one more question. Somebody's holding my mic out there. I got the mic. She has a mic. Is this on? Can you hear me? Yes. I was quickly for Ray. What percentage of your time has spent dedicated to the Instagram account? Don't tell my supervisor this, but not joking. I would say I had to give her a ballpark figure not too long ago and I said about an hour of time a week. Only because now I got a promotion so I'm doing supervision so I can't spend too much time creating content. Whereas in my previous position, I had set tasks and I would run through them each day just so I could get some time to create some videos or to shoot a book face. It varies. It's hard to say. Sometimes a book face will take me five minutes to shoot. Other times it'll take me 15 minutes to shoot. A stop motion video. Initially when I started doing stop motion, I just have all these supplies and not have a game plan and just shoot. But now I have a vision, sometimes even storyboard stuff so when I get to actual shooting of it, it's actually relatively quick. All right, so I hate to cut this off because this is a really good discussion. We are gonna have kind of a meet and greet activity after the event.