 Welcome to our Evolve UX at Drupal North. This is going to be a fast user experience feedback session and we're going to look at a bunch of Drupal projects and help out on the UX part of them. So before we begin, my name is Suzanne Dergacheva. I work at Evolve Web. This is my partner Alex. He also works at Evolve Web and we've run our Drupal shop for 10 years. We love teaching people about Drupal and doing some projects. We've probably heard from us already at the conference, lots of us here. So to explain a little bit about this event, because this is actually something bigger than Drupal North, Evolve UX is something we run almost monthly here in Montreal. We've also run this workshop in Ottawa and we're taking it to Toronto in September. So we have a quick video to explain the process that we're going to run through today and the next hour. It was produced this week so I haven't even seen it. Yeah, this is brand new stuff guys. Evolve UX is about improving your prototype. You need to know what to do to make the next version right away. And here's where you can get that. You can take your project to the next level. Attendees make content and present it to the crowd. Then we speak in three rounds. First the audience gives its fast impression. Then people describe what they like about it. The crowd gives its feedback on how to improve it, what to change, do differently and why. It's about networking and meeting other great people. It's a wonderful community and everybody helps each other out. You should definitely come and check it out because there's a lot of great things to be learned. Put that music on in the background and then we'll, yeah. Okay, so you heard what we're going to do. We're going to do four demos today. We're going to try and fit them all in. We'll do a very quick demo. Then you guys are going to give your first impressions, like the first thing that pops into your head. Kind of like the hashtag, the tweet that you would tweet if you were to see this. Then we're going to do what you like. Do around that and then constructive criticism. The presenter doesn't respond when you guys give feedback. They just take it all in, maybe take notes. It's up to you actually to provide the content. You're a key part of this. We're going to do the first one. Anika and Tim are going to come up and present a design. I'll have to take it away. This is a practice run of sorts. This is a practice run of sorts because we are showing you how the process works. We have ringers who have done this before. We were contacted a couple of months back for a Drupal 7 to Drupal 8 upgrade for the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. The mandate was a mix of, well, we've got to take our Drupal 7 site and bring it to the future. Also, of course, we want to make sure that it reflects our up-to-date brands consistent with the university guidelines and really sets the tone for how procedures and well-known this program is. This is their existing website. The brief is very brief, as they say. We had their existing website here for showing a hero image with some news. We have some more news. It's a very events-driven organization. They really are like evolving, actually, bringing their networking events forward. At the same time, they've got a lot of content varied about the programs for undergraduate, graduate, admissions, about their faculty. They have several Nobel Prize-winning people on staff, either as professors or professor emeritus. This is something that wasn't coming through very much. There's a lot of, of course, intranet, directory, all these standard things. It was responsive for some definition, but it was clearly not super optimized for that. This is where we came in and we had to win this pitch. We did some design work on spec, which we haven't been doing much, but it was a bit of an experiment. These guys decided to come in and both shape things up a little bit, but at the same time reflect the fact that it's still a university faculty and it has to be consistent with the norms of the university. This is my colleagues, Anika and Tim. We wanted to show off some of the stuff that they had going on at the university and we felt that they really liked the idea of videos, we really liked the idea of videos. We had a video inspirational, motivational background image and then we moved right into the events and news and things like the dynamic content so that when the students come back it's going to be more interesting. We also had a little social area of the page so that people could easily connect on social media and then at the bottom we had more generic information that a first-time user might need to find coming in. We took the content that they already had on their website and we just formatted it a little bit more differently so that it could reflect their goals. Okay, so now we start with the feedback. First of all, what are the first keywords that pop into your head when you hear about this project? Is it global? Education. Okay, now let's try two phrases of two words of more. What is a tweet that you would say to summarize what you've seen? Keep in mind that it's a very valuable part of this process because often what we think we're presenting, a redesign of a home page, somebody else may be focused on entirely different such as like, wow, this thing is totally orange or something like that, like an orange website. So, yeah, let's give you some way of what you're seeing us present. Oh, it's dynamic. It feels like it presents a community and a law firm. I feel like a law firm, like a law firm kind of, you know, designed here. So it's very like also, it's very businessy. It's not just academic. It's a beautiful architecture, like the architectural features that come across service. It's been dashed more than I think in events, blogs, the view highlights are reflected under the page, which is actually in the case of the home page. Okay, any last thoughts? Well, I said before the actors, so the second one makes me think Princeton is more respectable than I thought. Okay, now please listen to the next round, which is the positive feedback. What's being presented? What do you think works well? What are the things we have to say? I like the typography. It's very, it fits the institution. It's very clean. First. The photo is like, there's a lot of photos of actual people. So like, it's not just, you feel like the institution is probably more about the people than the actual institution. The fonts and the layout of the photos and some backgrounds seems to be more heartless. They feel like less than straight forward. More artistic sensibility. I feel like it's kind of like a sales funnel where it takes you step by step into what they try to market. And then at the end of the day, it's like a call to action. You know, admissions, here you go, sign up for the university. So like they show you features of the thing and then kind of like a call to action at the end, at the bottom of the page. David? I like the, in the typography, the use of uppercase in a small size. I mean, there's a lot of good in the typography. And the grid, the whole fit, the white space between the pictures too. So there's something different about this that I like. Any graphics designers in the room? Okay. Great. Keep your head up. Keep your head up. Okay. It's up. Any feedback? There's one thing I haven't considered about it. Uh-oh. We're so on about the framework where you say positive. Oh. Okay. So in my experience, there's a difference between graphic design and graphic design. So it seems like it has this sort of print look to it. I feel like the, the typography does a really good job of capturing the kind of the history of Princeton and kind of adding that, that prestige factor to it. But the layout also helps it kind of act like a model there. So you kind of have this past and future. Okay. Yeah. I like the, there's like these little graphical elements that sit in, sit in the boxes. There's a, like there's, it's, it's very dynamic with the, the, the white tax like on the background image and then you're switching between and then also the dynamic, like the boxes aren't lined up. Like if you scroll, I think it's down. There is, you kind of break the grid slightly. And it seems like all of this stuff can still be, like it's, it's very maintainable too. So yeah, there's a, there's a lot of things designing details. Okay. Let's move into some criticism. I know you've all been holding back. So we can take it. What do you have that could be improved? Questions or challenges? Yes. Some, I think there might be some contrast issues here and there with some of the buttons being either like the writing on the top of the background image or maybe the light on the orange. I don't know if you guys are aware of that. Okay. So contrast issues, maybe accessibility concerns there. The great buttons, the social media there, they seem in the light. I'm not sure if they, they didn't have the, we can't point them. May I? So in the events area, you kind of like alternate between events with pictures, not, sorry, not events above the news. You alternate like news that has a picture and then something that doesn't. So that would be interesting for editorial, like you have to figure out how to alternate content. So for a demo, it makes sense. You can pull it off, but in real life, does that translate? Great. Jorge? Can we see if it's done, the mobile version will go inside? I mean, if it's done. Just resize the window guys. Okay. In the meantime, other things? Matt? Why can't you stay there? That's political science. I'm not supposed to answer the question. It's a bit confusing in terms of content. I think that's what the comment is about. I would say something similar. Invert? Well, I think you might be doing it. I would want to see it at a different size. I mean, from my point of view, the thing that I always try to look for at the top of my list is the accessibility. So if you're supposed to be able to go up to 300%, so command class or whatever, control class to see what happens. I have a couple more comments. Ian? Some of them. As long as they're a bit, kind of, word-of-spell, they're quite good to be global. You can hear what we're talking about. It doesn't feel the same. And last one. Julie, you have something? Just in terms of, like, competing events over time, maybe have an alternate display with more than three events. I don't know what the size is, but sometimes it's more than three events in a week. Okay, great. Thank you so much, everyone, for your feedback. So guys, as a point of process, what you guys saw is people would sometimes ask a question. And this format has a very strict rule. The presenter, which I broke, of course. The presenter is not allowed to respond to questions. The idea is that they have the three to six minutes to explain everything, talk about what kind of feedback that they want, talk about the work, hopefully not talk about themselves too much. And then the game is played by the crowd and by the MC. So that's a very important part. And then another very important part that you may not have seen is that we were very busy taking notes on our phones for all of the feedback. So it's very easy for a presenter to be flummoxed and forget to do that, so don't forget to do it. You were texting the whole time. Okay, so our next presenter is Mayuki from Okasi. And she's going to be presenting a project that I've been working on. Sorry, I'm short. Okay, so this is a website called SettleNet.org. Okasi is one of a few umbrella organizations across Canada that support other organizations that help out settlement workers, which are essentially people that work with newcomers to Canada like immigrants and refugees and help them settle into life in Canada. So one of the projects that Okasi, which is an Ontario organization, is working on is this website. So the website is meant mostly for settlement workers. Settlement workers right now in Canada, they have a problem where a lot of the agencies, they don't talk to each other. The settlement workers don't talk to each other. There's not a lot of communication happening. So all the different organizations across the country, they have their own processes and like some of the organizations could probably be doing the work better but they don't know any other way to do it so they end up just following their usual processes. The hope is that this website would allow settlement workers across the country to communicate with each other, exchange information ideas and learn from each other and overall improve the quality of settlement services in Canada. So just to give you the development side of things, so this site was not, they didn't have a designer on board at the beginning. I'm a web designer. I started on this project in December. From a design point of view, the only thing I've worked on right now is getting the branding into the site. Before that it was just pure development work being done on it. So it's a type of site where, so this is the homepage, and it's a type of site where you need to log in to really access content. So what happens when you log in is this is the dashboard page. Yeah, so when you log in, this is what you see. So there's three main sections, learn, connect and library. So the other issue is settlement workers apparently aren't comfortable actually interacting online too much but they have found in the past that they are comfortable when it comes to talking about professional development. And settlement workers are really interested in learning so they can do their work better so that's why there's a section about learning. The connect section is where we're hoping that settlement workers will interact a lot with each other and exchange ideas and form groups and whatnot. And library section is resources that are from various agencies across the country which settlement workers will hopefully use find useful in their work. And then there's a browse section where you can browse the network by region or by categories. So there's a whole bunch of categories under this section. And yeah, so the reading section. And the other thing is so users can also add content and add further so you go here. So this user is the basic user level. You can do these things but also if you request further access you can actually add resources and you can also start a group. So we're sort of working on still straightening out but most of the site is content, user content driven. That's the goal. And just to give you an idea, so if you were to say, so this is a dashboard. So this is like finding out what's going on on the site right now. Yeah. And then like say you go in the learn section so you get a list of courses, webinars and events you can go in to say an event. See more about it. Yeah. And then so a lot of the content we're expecting there are going to be the links. There are most, a lot of the content is probably going to be links that are actually outside the site but at least this gives them a place for various settlement workers to collect all the links so that people can get to the very scattered, currently scattered links across the web. So yeah. So we soft launched this site in end of March. So we're still working on it but any feedback people here have would be greatly appreciated. Could you click through some of the other tabs? Sure. So, oh wait, actually so these are announcements discussions. We have these filters where you can filter the content using groups. And yeah the library it mostly looks like this and then like you can go to the page in, sorry it's still working on this page. But yeah, so essentially that's the basic idea. Okay, great. Thank you. So again, what are your first impressions? What did we just see? We have to describe it in a few words. Groups. Learning Connect. Learning Connect. It was informative portal. Internet for community of experts. Reference tool. Any other way to describe this Nathan? Indispensable tool for settlement markers. Indispensable tool. I mean that's what you're trying to do for the rate. Yeah. New speed. What was that? New speed. New speed. Community of practice. Community of practice. Modification. Okay, let's move into some positive feedback. What did you like about what we just saw? I really enjoyed the the sensitivity layout with the light like the little dots. And the weights that we used like a header and body count. Yeah. I like the highly usable with clear type hierarchy between inside and outside of abstracts. Nice and large. I like the feedback that's in the calls available. The feedback list. The lack of big math imagery. Lack of big math imagery. Yeah. It's very usable. I can say the design is clean and professional. Julie? The color palette intuitively just feels warm and it's not, there's a lot of information but it's a bit overwhelming. I think because it's warm and the green seems front in colors. There's no aggressive brands anywhere. I like the hierarchy. The way things are presented. It's very hierarchical. So it kind of brings community. Hierarchical, that's good. Anika? I think it has a common pattern. It feels very standard and there's a common pattern. It's easy to find what you're looking for. The search is where it usually is and the email is in the application. Again, I like the application. I like that it feels like it could be useful and I could use it. And you're not trying to sell these stuff. It's not commercial. Okay, and last one. Alex? I like the fact that it's developer driven as a utilitarian tool and then you're coming later on and making it exciting as a signal of value and craftsmanship later. If you did it the other way around it would probably not be as valuable. Okay, let's move into the constructive criticism. What do we think could be better? Questions that came out that you don't understand? Feedback? Yes? The system to manage a span The secondary navigation elements blend into the background a lot. So the top navigation was great. I was talking about the secondary navigation I managed by info. Oh, here. That's blending into the background so it might well be missed or it's not clear whether I should be interacting with the film. I wonder if there's a linear journey or not like it's supposed to take a set-on worker from the first time they're on the website maybe have a newsletter email kind of thing and then taking him from there like kind of like Yeah, increasing the interest and signing him up in the future and stuff. So one of there's like a linear kind of process that's being followed here. Yeah. I like to see people's spaces not be really like I was going to just act to that but because it's consistent like all the profile images it seems like there's not a lot of community like engagement happening because it seems like it's the same percent or it's the same icon for the profile. I was wondering if a lot of the information seems to be organized geographically if geography was really the most important mechanism because it seems like a lot of this content would just be the same across regions. I would change that instead of the way activity is something like use basically the use of the articles. Sorry, say that again. Latest activity I would change the title to users? No, the latest activity is the section of the article. I'll say news or live news. This is just reference to articles but it's not activity specifically. Yes. I feel like the main activities that you talked about the Learn Connect library it feels a little varied just being to drop down menus it's not front and center in terms of getting to those activities. Matt, we're in the back. Following up on the comment about how all the user looks the same. Even if you can upload a picture like most users never do so like randomly generating some things they look a little different and the same person is commenting in different discussions you can identify them visually. Alex? I just thought about that. My info is all profile stuff so you could vary it under the icon in the top right corner. Ad content could probably be buried under an expanded plus icon in the top but the plus by itself isn't strong or clear enough I would add something like contribute or something like that called action. I like your welcome to settlement.org It's lovely but it's the kind of thing I would expect to be able to collapse or disappear after I'm done with it because I don't need to come back to it all the time I don't know if that's in there. Go back to your search for anything I love the idea of the tabs a little country so maybe for here and I like the filters what I don't like as much is having such large cards for each search result it looks good on a design but it may not be very practical but people just want to find what they're looking for find a way to give people if you really want several different layouts and default to probably asking your one that I personally don't like I get a cognitive distance from having two search boxes that you really need to ask yourself that someone who hasn't commented yet Kristen I saw your hand up I'm sorry you've sold them all okay the latest activities I'm assuming would use a test if people are interested in this so my experience is that it's a limited value if you're waiting for someone to come to the site and then look at the latest activity it would be better to have like you listen there but have some sort of an outreach there so they can subscribe to that if they're truly interested in that and then that pulls them to the site firstly having to wait for them to happen to visit the site for whatever reason and then see it so really it's just the addition of the ability to subscribe to that okay thanks everyone for your feedback that's what I want myself to be what I'm talking about today is a site that actually hasn't been done yet before you start because I always forget to do this for myself this is Catherine I work for an organization called Action Canada for Sexual Health and Rights and we just rebuilt our main website and it's gorgeous and wonderful and we spent months and months on content audit and everything else and then right at the end of it or during the rebuilding of this site there was a thing, Ontario people might recall that there was a deal with Sexite Curriculum being thrown out and we happen to have produced a massive shiny pink book called Beyond the Basics that's an entire curriculum for Sexite from infants up to old people and it has aside from the 600 page book then we have a companion guide that's another 500 pages of additional resources that teachers might want after going through the book and creating their curriculum so we created a thing called the online hub that's called Beyond the Basics and just about the time we were launching this website it was a WordPress site that included just a whole lot of PDFs that you have to log in to get so after you bought the book then you can log in and have conversations with other sex educators we made it to only register people because we didn't want a bunch of yappers coming in saying good things but that site was hacked so what I've done also to bring it into line with all of our shiny new Drupalite sites that we're doing for everything else I've got a very basic Drupalite site that is just you log in and get access to the book resources so that's all it is but what we want it to be is really a place where sex educators can come and discuss things and blog about how they're using our materials and also to promote the book and we're also producing an ebook so we'll have hopefully some audience members through that so this is what it is now basically all the design went into the book itself so all I've done here is grab bits and pieces from the book itself and then people come here and log in we've added a few webinars we want to add more video content and probably highlight that more could you show us the pages as you were talking about them? yeah so this is after you've logged in you just get this welcome thing and then the resources are okay we're sure okay so we have to click on each actually there's more so you get basically all of the pages from the book because in the main book and each of those is just a PDF to download like I said we have not done anything with the slides no more so okay thank you Catherine what did we just hear? let's reframe this what's the tweet? the sex education book the reference info or the sex education your resources that's the right one basic site that's beyond the basics okay what do we like about this overall project what do we like about the concept, the content, what we've seen what are good things I really like the home page it's not dull or anything like that yeah it's interactive what else is good, Julie? is there a graphic element in the book itself that you can purpose on today? oh that would be a good one for the next round okay questions like that are there good things? I like that yeah should we stop at both pages of this page? I like the fact that it's not WordPress same the front page was very inviting and I felt like there was a clear call to action in the top if you scroll up to the top this just seems very inviting get your copy, it's very clear of what I have to do it feels very friendly and useful contrasting colors and they repeat it and they cover effects below okay let's switch into let's switch into constructive criticism so what could be better, what questions do we have I think there are way too many calls to action as a user what do I do, I purchase the book do I donate, do I register there's way too many paths that go through and also to use the word purchase I don't know if it's really enticing to buy the book maybe a preview of the book could be given for free to stimulate reciprocity with the users and then the user would buy the book they like it yeah what else yes beyond the basics and we consider adding chapter titles or section titles to the chapter so you know what content you're looking at on the home page it's not entirely clear that it's a book I don't even see the word book over on there Aiden there was a script based typographic headline on the interior pages so I would suggest going to that clean rounded stare that's on the home page because script fonts are challenging at small screen sizes and I don't think it's so I get it's meant to embody the brand sort of representation in graphic styles and the book with those hand drawn elements but I think maybe including some of those illustrated elements would be a better way to characterize those items back into the library can you speak up a little bit I'm kind of sure I like targeting because it seems on the one hand that it's targeting young people because it shows like a new soul image and color and so forth but those people are not necessarily the ones that would click to buy a book so if it's targeting them for education I think it should be more prominent to for them to practice the information by the way if it's targeting parents probably that's good to have to buy a book I don't know Alex the IA right now is pretty much centered on the chapters but I imagine that someone coming here would probably want to be able to search the categorizer filter based on other things also like topics or media types or things like that Andrew building on that the levels seem important the modularity of the content seems important so some visitors are maybe interested in some levels more than others I don't know if they already understand what a level means but on the home page perhaps maybe on the home page somewhere there should be a number of contents of that sidebar that you completely expanded so that there's a big picture of everything that's there and how it's building on what Alex has said a way of filtering that down to either only the skimmer level that they need in more of the page range that it applies to media content that says level one is for this level two is for that Yes, the middle section here I'll have your hands up Sure I see there's a search but there's actually a search inside the book I mean the contents in PDFs are to know what it does and also I imagine this part of the plan is to put the content actually in web pages that would yes Kristen? I think that basically in the PDFs in the page so that is distributable and okay well I think educators really like to have printable things but I think maybe something where they can click they'd like to mix it naturally also so to click the things they're interested in and then have them all in one download instead of one by one that is the breadcrumbs that's home and out so I don't think people know it now Alex you can say one thing not against I'd rather say nothing about it okay, last comment Ruth so I'm just picking up from the point today I'm just going to do a project where it's Sunday curfew that this is actually a part of the idea where if you're increasing downloads instead of having them inserted into the various categories you just have a section like a column somewhere which has all the downloads so if it's referenced in the content you could link to it or you could just say there's a download and it's all there in one place okay great thanks everyone for your feedback hey guys so just while Jorge is setting up I just wanted to point out so what we saw is a design prototype that we showed you in InVision so clearly that was just part of a design process then we saw like a really quite finished app that was in the stage where they were just adding branding and styling and I think it was quite useful to see what kind of feedback that received and here Catherine just showed an app that clearly she's beginning to develop it it's iteration 2 out of 12 maybe it has the content there which is really useful because basically she's presenting the idea she's presenting what am I trying to do and then we kind of said the obvious things to make sure you do as you do this is A, B, C and D so this is really great sometimes though we have the polar opposite where we have Jorge here who presents a web application that he has been working on for a good two years now maybe more and so this is the great thing about Jorge is that he's always improving he's a designer front end developer, back end developer businessman, car lover and of course evolving web alumni so with that said we'll give it to Jorge well thank you so much Alex sorry and that was great in the hospital thanks to the back end so yeah as Alex said I used to work at the evolving web I once asked them for break to give a shot to these projects somehow it has survived to the last two years so here I go so long story short sorry oh sorry so long story short my car broke and started to find different ways to get the next one it's a deal with those things so I'm really into math numbers that kind of things so I start to analyze different options and then I included why not seeing how about new cars I was never expecting something like a new car coming from Cuba where I had a 1958 car so I started to explore options and then I said ok I'm going to try to give it a shot to releases somehow seems to be cheaper in some cases and then I thought to build something like a tool where you say ok let's say I want to see what options have in the market for $200 a month vehicle so I kind of with that approach built these websites two years and a half ago so the thing with this cause that's why the name came from it's that everything is based on a monthly point of view the payments of the cars that's why so doing a hard switch to people to all the side I noticed that the audience that was coming to the website was more interested not in new cars but on what is known as a lease takeover let's say you go to a dealership you get a car signed for the next four years let's say it's a coupe you have only two doors for you and your partner somehow you figure out you have triplets and then it's not going to feed anymore but you have three years left in the contract so the lease takeover thing you actually need to find someone either in Kijiji or somewhere who is willing to take over your contract so based on that concept we created a section called the lease takeover marketplace is the one I'm going to present the site it's pretty wide it's the one that's crucial for us right now do you make the fund too or please oh the fund sure so disclaimer that banner on the top is one of our main sources of revenues it's the one on part of us so you're going to see it anywhere as a kind of disclaimer we cannot take it out no matter what because we survive because of many things and that included basically assume the website starts here to make things simpler so this page is in right now is the front of our lease takeover marketplace that's how we publicly know it and our customer too basically targets two types of customers one is the the old vehicle who just know that we're going to have triplets and the other one it's the person who is looking for leasing a car but not with a dealership he's trying to go after either from a used car perspective or from like a leasing perspective so basically this page it's the one that welcomes a huge stream of our customers we spend a lot of ad words and marketing sending people to this page so whatever feedback you have it's going to be priceless for us because we really need it basically here we welcome them to come over post your lease with us we have some side upsells that we offer but just listing on the website it's free so here we have filters there are some kind of hidden then we somehow market the latest complete transfer we've seen listings that go away in less than 24 hours some others that take even a year to go out because maybe the person got screwed out when he signed the contract because car sales people are really complicated yeah and then we have some like a small summary of what we have in market place like we have some feature listing like the recent ones and then some top deals are available right now so this is the I will say the desktop version on the website we have like 75% of our traffic comes from portable devices we have to take care of them too we have this blue call to action in many places inviting people to lease over the car because we have multiple sections on the website not only the marketplace but our main purpose is to help them get the vehicle actually transferred so this is our landing page from here on I will consider that the footer of the websites that these local deals and the brand new car deals this is like spread all across the pages of the website in the same proportion like we have a lot of campaigns targeting this specific page we analyze conversion in multiple ways but we're looking forward to optimize or create different variants of this marketplace so basically that's it like customers can do a small preview of what each one of these things have included if they click on it they can go and see all the details this is how we actually display the vehicles available to transfer and basically I won't take much of the time that's it, thank you so much hey, thanks Jorge one or two people give your tweet what did we just see different least transfer okay, positive feedback what did we like we know exactly what this website is for like there's no confusion as to the point or the business here I think that the aesthetics elicit like trust if you like to talk a little bit the price is here yeah it's a little hierarchy see where they kind of want you to look at each type even like the filters, even though it's hidden it's a different color so it kind of brings your eye to the origin to pay attention to how to filter great, good filtering good color yeah, the right point to the action business here there's a search statement that you're looking for as you base it on eZicro just like the right thing I just like the general look and feel it does really set on it's very focused on what you're it looks like a car website yeah alright, let's move into some criticism, what could be better what questions does this bring up maybe specifically about these pages for filters you can choose like a car or a van but there's some crossovers that you might be interested and also I wish there was it's not I couldn't find the electric car so I keep feeling I'm interested in electric or hybrid or something like that David? at the beginning we saw another screen for about a minute but what was that that was the home previously okay I'd like to slow them again, there are three buttons a blue button and two black buttons those three buttons don't make sense to me yet totally why would I click on one or the other I'm just saying there's something to consider there I don't know if I want to acquire a lease from the deco worker at the place is that process done entirely through the website got that the first one is there's a lot of information about French people in French there's a lot of what? English very much and I second that the electric car was hated so the secondary text that's supporting the titling but the secondary text is quite long so it's basically going to be invisible and talking on the secondary actions possibly because we've got the primary color action poster leased in the secondary actions I think might be for living a little bit and the same comment with the secondary text on the lease table for filters I don't think you need to explain if you're a filter user you don't need to put a big long sentence the same if you're explaining it just like three words of sort of filter back here we haven't heard from you yet oh you're stretching yeah I wonder how many images are there but I don't want to see a button on the main page if you download one or bring it to them Alec? You've got a where it shows the last sold or last but I would want to see some more evidence of activity and along with that some sort of sense of urgency so these things are going quick maybe three people are looking at this particular lease act now they'll see the sense of activity or urgency Andrew? These specials are cities I was surprised to find that I expect that geography is a determining factor like it's confusing either specials or something that are changing frequently so they shouldn't be in the menu or geography is a factor a navigational factor and if there may be an opportunity to take that out of the menu we'll use IP or protection or some form of opt-in we could use geography explicitly but potentially inviscidly help bring that I think there's a lot of calls to action when we go on the other page when there's the statistic of 3,000 Canadian users I think that should be emphasized more with a bigger font the other page actually with the secondary text more than 3,000 plus Canadians use every single day I think the 3,000 should be pretty prominent in the page and the text should be just minimized and the Y posted with us it just should there should be text there instead of having to click on it and then find out it should be immediately visible to the user as a bullet point or something okay thanks everyone for your feedback session but if you like this format we do have a meetup group that you can join to do more of this so if you want to present your concept what you're working on this is a meetup group in Toronto in Montreal but we're also taking this to Toronto in September we've done this a couple of times in Ottawa wherever you're from we'll be able to do this again soon and thanks David for coming David's one of the founders of the Evolvilex concept and yeah this is really fun I think the next thing we're doing now is a group photo out in the lobby so yeah thanks everyone for doing this workshop with us