 It's Wednesday, June the 10th, it's 11 o'clock. That could be only one thing, Trump week. I'm Tim Apachele, your host. And this week, like last week, and the week before last week, we have a whole list of things I know we're not gonna have enough time to get through. Some items that we've been on the national news discussing, everyone's seen it. But I'm gonna start right in with our guests. Good morning, everyone. Cynthia Sinclair and Stephanie Dalton. Unfortunately, Winston couldn't make it this morning. I'm gonna jump right in with Cynthia. I'm gonna jump in with you. And this item's called Jaw Dropping Moments this week. I'm gonna start off with the most jaw-dropping moment I thought, or the most obtuse moment that I saw Donald Trump engage with. And that is the comments he made about George Floyd. And he said the following. Hopefully George is looking down and saying, it's a great thing that's happening for our country. It's a great day for him. It's a great day for everybody. This is a great day in terms of equality. This is a lesson a week or week and a half away from the fact that we all witnessed a murderer on the streets in Minneapolis where a police officer's knee basically choked the life out of George Floyd. And no sooner than a week and a half later, excuse me, Donald Trump is boasting about how happy George Floyd is to see what's going on. Cynthia, am I missing something on this? No, you're not missing anything. And Kamala Harris came out with that comment afterwards. I was outraged. I think a million people were outraged when he said that. How dare he have the audacity to say something like that after the man is dead? Yeah, he's having a great day, he's dead. Was this putting fuel on the fire? Was this trying to inflame even further either cause more violence and property damage from the protesters? Or is this something that popped in his brain and he said it or was this planned? Well, he was reading from a script. So I think it was planned. They wrote it into the script. And I think what they were trying to do was say, look at all the great things that have happened because of his death. And I think that's sort of where they were trying to go with it, but they certainly missed the mark. And when Kamala Harris came out, she said, keep George Floyd's mouth, I mean, keep George Floyd out of your mouth until you can say black lives matter. And that's what she, that was her response to the president. So I asked this question almost every week and the answer is usually the same but I'm gonna ask it again. Does this help Donald Trump with his base and the independence by making comments like this? Does this substantiate and kind of rekindle the racism that has a good part of his population that follow him? Does that help? I believe so, yes, absolutely. Because it minimizes his death. And so it minimizes the reason behind the protests. And at least that's what I think. Okay, well, good point. Stephanie, I'm gonna bring out jaw dropping comment number two and that was just recently where we also in Buffalo, New York where a 75 year old senior and he's well known in the protest circle but he walked up to a policeman and he was shoved rather, I thought it was rather brisk shove and he fell back and then he tripped on his heels and he went down to the pavement and basically his head hit the pavement. And we all saw that take place. We all saw that there was blood coming out of this gentleman's ear. And basically he went unconscious. And here's what Donald Trump said in a tweet. He said, the Buffalo protestor shoved by police by Antifa, he labeled the guy as Antifa, a provocateur, 75 years old. He fell harder than he was pushed. Could be a setup. So Stephanie, here we have Donald Trump who I know where he got this information from. He got it off a conspiracy website and that was later picked up by One America News. And of course he watches that a lot. He likes it because they're truly dedicated to whatever Trump says and does versus, Fox isn't always reporting what he wants them to report. So Fox sometimes is not his favorite list of news shows but One America News it now is and they picked this directly up from the Treehouse blog which is an ultra conservative, right wing conspiracy theory blog site. That's where our president's getting his information from. So that resulted in this tweet of his. What were your thoughts about this? Well, I like that Cynthia said minimizing because it's just so utterly disrespectful of anybody. And I think I saw it, I saw it early. I'm sure it wasn't before anybody else. So I don't remember when it happened because we're here, right? We're many hours later. But I saw that happen. And then I saw maybe the guy after one or two went by that actually turned and reached over and started to bend down and was drawn back. And I understand that that's been acknowledged now. Somebody has studied this tape to look at the sequence of events. And now this was a 75 year old, clearly. And obviously balance is not a strength at that time. So he was easy to tip on his own reconnaissance, much less whether anybody pushed him. I don't know that they did, but it's just that Donald Trump is just unattainive to anybody's existence other than his own. But what he's doing is he's launching into yet another conspiracy theory again about this. And again, I agree with Cynthia. He's minimizing the horrific moment we saw and witnessed on TV. He's minimized that by trying to throw in a conspiracy theory and to say that this whole thing was staged. I don't think blood running out of a gentleman's ear is a staged event. I just don't think so. And he's been in the hospital for well over a week. He was hurt. He was hurt. It was very scary and it went through my mind. Oh my gosh. Are we gonna now have this white elderly man issue arise? I mean, it's being attended to, but many questions ran through my mind. But aren't we getting bored with this whole conspiracy thing? It is the same thing over and over. Well, that's a really good point. And when the GOP senators are approached by reporters, specifically about this event where the 75 year old gentleman was pushed down, if you watch their responses, it looks like they were all in a hypnotic days. They all claimed, oh, I never saw it. I never saw the tweet. I never saw the video. I have no idea what you're talking about. Senator after Senator after Senator basically shuffled along the corridor with their hands in their pocket going, I don't know. Well, if they don't know what the heck are they doing in Congress? Well, I think that the commentators on CNN talked about that they're not engaging it. And this is just a continuance of the established behavior, primarily to keep Trump off there, but with the tweets and to ruin their chances of re-election. They're just holding firm to get... Holding on to whatever they can hold on to. Yeah, that's the point. It's irresponsible to do that. They're not fulfilling their role to represent us. And so I don't know how many of them are going home to hear what the people want, but this is not representation of Americans and it's certainly no reflection of our values. And also Lindsey Graham has been very, very quiet. They're issues like, you know, so why are they doing this? Do they think that they can get through this and come out whole on the other side? I think that is our question. Are we gonna forgive all this and go on and forget it when we move on? Well, I think that is the plan and the strategy is that you will forget it because there's been so much of this for the last three and a half years that you can't quite remember it all unless someone summarizes it and you read it on someone's newsletter or in the newspaper of all the things that Donald Trump has done in the last three and a half years because you can't remember it all. It's too much. That's a good point. Yeah, so anyway, I agree. In any way, what he says is minimizing the issue for the people experiencing it and maximizing the value of that issue for Donald Trump's purposes. So that's what's going on. That's the formula he's working and he's very expert at doing that. So he's definitely a PR guy. Okay, Stephanie, thank you for your comments on this. I wanna bounce back to you, Cynthia, on the same topic. What were your observations and to what degree does Donald Trump get away of trying to create a conspiracy and that this guy was an Antifa setup and it was all staged and planned? And then also comment a little bit about your observations about the GOP senators as they're being asked by reporters what they thought of the whole tweet from Donald Trump on this specific issue. Right, well, I heard a friend of the man who was injured. I heard a friend of his being interviewed on TV this morning who just talked about what a Christian peace-loving guy this guy was. And what the story goes anyway that's come out is that he was trying to return a cop's helmet that he had found on the ground and that's why he had walked over to them, right? Saw it live. I happened to be watching the TV that day and so I saw it live as it happened and the man fell and the blood instantly came pouring out from the back of his head and then started pouring out of his ear. And there was two officers. The one on the left is the one who shoved him and the officer on the right is the one who bent down to try to help him. And it looks like maybe it was a supervisor or something right behind him who pushed him away, said, keep going, keep going. And he started to call it in and started to call for the medic. So it's not like they didn't do anything but it was just- So did it appear to be staged to you? Oh goodness, no, absolutely. Oh goodness, no. I think most of America thought, okay, this is not staged. There's no way it's staged. If you're a GOP Senator and you know what you saw, you know what you've been watching on TV, you know what Donald Trump tweeted, yet you're not gonna acknowledge it. What's the optics of that for those that are not totally committed to Donald Trump? What are the optics on that? Well, it just shows that they are totally sick of pants that just play to Trump and that's all they ever do. And that's why they wouldn't speak about it. But Lisa Murkowski, we have a little bit of a dip. She's kind of starting to call things for being wrong. She's called this for being wrong. She called Trump for being wrong on this one. So who knows, maybe she'll come around but she's done this in the past too where she puts out this front like, yeah, I don't agree with all that but then she ends up voting with all the Republicans. They call that straddling the fence. It's been seen and done for the last three and a half years, not only by her but a few other senators. Okay, I'm gonna jump onto the title of the show and that is Trump, Law and Order President. Okay, as we know, he's come out at the Rose Garden just after they cleared by St. John's Church. He cleared them out with tear gas, rubber bullets, mounted police, National Guard. And he quoted that he's a friend of the protesters and he's gonna still be the Law and Order President. Well, guess what? This week, a lot of generals and a lot of them that were former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff came out and said, not so fast, not so fast. Specifically, let me just cite some of them. Colin Powell, we know who he is. Martin Dempsey, Mike Mullen, Richard Myers, Michael Hayden. Of course, General James Mattis, he came out very strongly. He's former Chief of Staff for Donald Trump and even the current Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper, who was not ready to resign because he disagreed with the fact that Donald Trump is trying to militarize and use them against protesters and certainly many peaceful protesters. Your thoughts about all the generals coming out? Well, I was really glad to see that. I think General Kelly came out too. His most recent Chief of Staff came out and said it was wrong. Yeah, add his name to the list. That's correct, he did. Yeah, there's so many of them that came out against him that I'm hoping that's gonna make a difference because these are all very well-respected generals. These aren't just fly-by-night, oh, they're Democrats, partisan people. These are hardcore military men who made it to the level of general. And so I think that we really need to listen to what they have to say and hopefully his base, or at least the people that are on the fence about it, will listen also. Well, if you're a supporter of Trump and you're a veteran, that would catch my attention of all these generals, Chief of Staff, a multitude of generals coming out and saying the military is used against foreign countries to protect the United States, not to be used against their own citizens. Well, he tried to do the Insurrection Act of 1807 or whatever it was. That's what he tried to pull. Yeah, and that's what he tried to pull, but even that was not allowed because nobody would approve it and he can't do it all by himself. Well, he did ship them in to Washington, D.C. They came in by truck, they were ready to go. They can go to D.C. because they don't have an actual governor, right? Because it's like a territory, right? Yeah. And so it's not governed the exact same way, which is why he could get away with doing it in Washington, but he can't just do it anywhere. Yeah, Stephanie, let me ask you a question. Thank you, Cynthia, thank you very much. Stephanie, let me ask you a question. We know that Donald Trump, the last we have for years, we've seen the pattern of he runs up to a border on something and he pushes the law and he pushes on the Constitution to see where that flexible boundary snaps back or not snap back on him. Is this a case where Donald Trump wanted to see what he could get away with by trying to order in military to quell a peaceful protest, a citizens protest? Was this one of his examples of him trying to test the boundaries so that the next time he wants to use it, he'll see how much pushback he gets or doesn't get? I don't think it's testing anything. He's doing what he wants to do. It's the 82nd Airborne people that were waiting outside the District of Columbia's lines. I guess they were in Virginia. That's where most of the airplanes come in. But yeah, I think according to Muriel Bowser, this wasn't anything that was legal to do in the district which she's governor, mayor, county, everything because of the circumstances of it. But it functions as an ordinary city. And we in Hawaii ought to be sensitive to it because we get pushed into some crazy Pacific archipelago distant place in people's minds when we're a real state and but DC's not a real state only because it doesn't have a representative's but it does everything else that the state does. They pay taxes. It definitely pays taxes, you know? So this is the ticket. Anyway, I think that he's doing what he wants to do and he would have done it if he could have. So I'm not getting that it's testing anymore. I don't know that he ever tested. He's just like a bullet. He just goes forward and somehow he's impeded by circumstances or somebody grabbing. I mean, so what he did was outrageous and an insult according to Muriel Bowser, she's the one that fought this back. I mean, her mayorship is now a real tough gig because she's had to get on the phone with him. She's been upfront with him face to face. And remember, there were some consequences of this. She painted a bunch of stuff going down to the street, to the White House that isn't all pleasing to Mr. Trump. You mean Black Lives Matter, that yellow demarcation on the streets? And she confiscated the Lafayette Park that is now called not the French general that helped us who was really helpful and probably saved her grits. But anyway, it's Black Lives Matter Park. So I think this woman is stepping out. It's interesting. I don't know if there's gonna be an impact or an effect of this, but she's looking very strong and in a suitable manner. She's not making a big deal out of it, but she's saying it authoritatively and out of the base of power she has. Well, I brought up my question for a reason because there's a lot of folks and I'm not gonna quantify exactly who's who. Bill Maher comes to mind and there's a lot of people that believe that Donald Trump's not gonna leave the White House even if he's not re-elected. And so the question is, is this a run-up test to see, well, I'm not leaving and I'm gonna use the military to make sure I don't have to leave. So, I mean, Bill Maher is absolutely serious about it and... He was talked down from it by one of his guests. I can't, I think it was the reason. Michael Moore tried to talk him off the ledge on that one too, but you know. But it's something that a lot of people actually scratched their head about would he try to pull that? Oh, he'll pull a lot of stuff. That one could be. But he'll just barrage everybody with everything that was wrong with the election. And in the meantime, running up to it, he's trying to do everything to interfere with the Georgia problems and the Wisconsin problems. And oh, God, don't do mail because, you know, that is... That's a fraud, yeah. Cynthia, excuse me. That's committed a lot of fraud. He's a Republican person, but anyway, okay. Right. Cynthia, you know, I've listened to you for quite a while now, well over a year and a half, and you're concerned that Donald Trump's gonna try to pull a shenanigans on the election. And, you know, he kind of showed his hand about the mail-in ballots and how fraudulent they are gonna be. And basically, is he, you know, setting the stage for potential violence in the street if the election doesn't go his way? And he starts calling it fraud. And I've been cheated out of my reelection as president of the United States. Does it concern you that he does use the military or the Insurrection Act of 1807 as a test case or as maybe a warm-up? Does that come into your mind? Because I know, like I said, it's been in the mind of Bill Maher and a bunch of other Americans that are concerned about this. It's been in my mind just because I know the man and the way he is, you know. So, and then, yeah, Bill Maher, Trevor Noah, there's a lot of people talking about it. And think about it, Michael Cohen- Is this comedy or is this serious? Well, Michael Cohen was not joking when he said it. You know, to the Congress, he said it. That he's not gonna go peacefully. He's not gonna leave peacefully. So there's a couple of things that I think are important to think about here. And one of them is that when Ivanka Trump went over to China and got all those patents, she thought patents for election machines, voting machines, right? So where'd they go? Where have they been placed? Do they get placed in Georgia? And are they placed in the ones where, right now, the reason some districts in Georgia don't have any weight at all or an hour and some have, you know, six and seven hour weights. So is that by design or is that by accident? I have a lot of questions and I don't understand why a media, we don't have some New York Times editors or journalists going out there and researching this and finding out. I haven't been able to find out much as to where they went. But we do know that this new Dominion voting machines company is kind of a small company. There's not a lot you can find out about it. So as I was trying to find out more about where did her machines go and just exactly what's going on. So I kind of think that the reason he's against voting by mail is it's not as easy for him to cheat. There'll be a paper ballot. So maybe, you know, I don't know, compromise and have like we do here in Hawaii, you have a paper ballot and, you know, an electronic thing, but it's a paper ballot. So I wish every state had paper ballots. That'd be my inquiry. Alrighty, I'm gonna switch gears here. While I have you here, Cynthia, Roger Goodell from the NFL has reversed a long policy of, you know, not really endorsing taking a knee and he has reversed himself explicitly on that point and apologizing. I wish we would have listened to our team members, our players and has apologized profusely about it. Then of course, Donald Trump. Donald Trump had words to say about that, but this kind of sparked up from Drew Brees, who's the quarterback for the New Orleans and he said the following, I realize this is not an issue about the American flag. We can no longer use the flag to turn people away or distract them from the real issues that face our black communities. Donald Trump then immediately quoted or tweeted, old glory is to be revered, cherished and flown high. We should be standing up straight and tall, ideally with a salute or a hand on heart. There are other things you can protest, but not over the great American flag, no kneelings. So Donald Trump once again gets to wrap himself up in the American flag, completely changed the narrative about what it is and why Kaepernick took the knee, you know, a year and a half ago, why he did that in the first place was to protest the brutality of some police forces against the black community. Your thoughts? Well, I'm glad that he has been exonerated because he needed to be. And what he- Well, Roger Goodell didn't say his name specifically. No, he didn't, but I think he should have. And there's a lot of talk of even giving him a tryout to see if he can, I saw him being interviewed, Goodell was being interviewed and he said, well, I think he's been out of play for too long and Bobby's kind of trying to hedge on it. But there's some other teams that have talked about giving him another chance and taking off the thing because he was blackball forever. And so now they're gonna maybe give him another chance to play, which I think is right. But you know, I lived in the South for a long time. So all these people that are so pro flag, don't you dare disrespect the flag, you know? Now, if they go to a sports arena, they will stand for the National Anthem. But right around all that time that all this was happening, I was out there visiting and I was in a restaurant, a sports bar and the National Anthem came on. I stood up, not one single other person stood up. So I got on the, they have a little microphone there at this place, I got on the microphone and I gave them all a bad time for not standing up. You know, you want to claim that it's wrong for someone to kneel, yet you'll sit here and you will keep on eating and keep on making noise while the anthem's playing. Well, they don't want to spill any mustard or Coca-Cola on their pants. What can I say? That's right. All right, Stephanie, your thoughts on the NFL reversal, Roger Goodell and his statements and then Donald Trump's desperate attempt to reignite this issue and call it all about disrespect to the American flag. Yeah, I'll just raise it up to that level of incitement and onto another distraction which is certainly there's gonna be a move to stop playing the national anthem at sports events. So they brought that up and then I started thinking, well, why do we do that? So maybe there'll be a discussion about why are we even using it at sports events, okay? So I mean, that's a whole nother pathway we're going down here. Well, part of that is because the US military got a contract with the NFL to start broadcasting their recruitment commercials during breaks in play. And that was never the case before. And only until the recent years did the US military get an entryway and I'm sure they're paying very well to the NFL for it to broadcast the commercials and basically pump up patriotism to equal football. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think this is open now. So we're gonna be hearing a lot more about this and I would say perhaps that event is in jeopardy but it is a place for people to do what Kaepernick did. And he's been so punished for that and it has never been clear enough why they were punishing him so badly. But now I see the sacred ground of the flag and then the using of that to distract and to incite and to do conspiracy and to have all of these other things going on. That is what is the game here. And I wish we went, I mean, hopefully we can get through this without getting bogged down in it and without changing our cherished practices and what we're doing. Okay, we got less than a minute left. Stephanie, go ahead. What is the problem of two questions? I want the worry about how to get him out of the White House, okay? I want that problem so much. Well, the problem is if I get everyone you know to register and vote, that's the answer. Okay, we're down to seconds here. What's your prediction for the coming week? What do you think's on the horizon here? And I'll, a short answer please and I'll ask Cynthia too. Oh, for me, what's coming? I think we're going somewhere on the national anthem, okay? And that will be born more opportunity. In addition to that, I've started watching all of the shows because I don't want to get just stuck with a certain line of shows. But I noticed on the ones I had been watching, even the CNN I think, but they're playing Trump commercials, okay, for president. And one of the ways it comes across, they're beautifully done and you would have no notion that there were any issues. Yeah, I agree. Okay, Cynthia, I got a cut from you, Stephanie. Cynthia, your last quick thoughts about what's coming up this week. Oh gosh, the COVID stuff is gonna come back. We've had all these, we just opened up, so we're gonna see rises from that and then we're gonna also see rises from these protests. And so I'm gonna be curious to find out how long these protests will go. What is it, 15 days or something they've been going every day straight? So I'll be anxious to see where they go from here. All right, Cynthia, thank you so much. Thank you for joining us on Trump Week. Stephanie Dalton, thank you so much for your comments. They're always great ones. I wanna say thank you, we'll see you next Wednesday. I'm Tim Appachelle, the host for Trump Week, Wednesday, 11 o'clock, Trump Week, aloha.