 I was the one who was about to get stabbed! Yeah, I mean, I was the one who was about to get stabbed! No, but Dancel, you're not listening to what I just said. I'm asking Cornward, would you re- Okay. Um... Hey, Denzel. Morning, everyone. My name is Denzel Shicey. I'm happy to be here. Oh, I know this guy! I know this guy! I know him! Um, so today, I was brutally attacked by a, uh, Frederick Rollins. Oh... Um... I did have my weapon out. I begged him to de-escalate and I said, please don't, don't do this. And he struck me with a wrench once in my calf. I warned him again to de-escalate and he just kept on swinging until I blacked out. Um... Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that, you know, it's, you know, on record that I did try to de-escalate. He did not listen to me. He just repeatedly beat me. That guy's psycho! Uh, with a wrench. Over and over again. He got started with two? He's psycho! I was, I didn't want to shoot him. Should have shot him after the first wrench. I'm not gonna lie. We're usually getting wrenched once. I mean, you're usually down. Yeah, I know. You're lucky to survive that first one. Yeah, I'm built different. Next time I will warn him, hopefully, six times is enough of a warning. And, um, you know, and, uh, thank you so much. Dan, are you telling me the guy who has one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. We get the picture. Uh, incidents against both civilians and police officers where he's committed violent felonies against them, attacked you? Yeah, he did. Um, he also attempted to attack me at Moseley's. Uh, you guys want to look at report number? Give me one second. Oh, shit. I never would have guessed, Dan. That's crazy. Okay, guys. Uh, there was a situation at Moseley's where the same, same guy, uh, before he attacked me, I got to shoot him in the face. So. Hang on, hang on, hang on. If we want to do this, I mean, you're opening the floor to do this in front of everybody right now. And with what actually happened, Denzel, and the reason why we're looking into it is because he was shot execution style. So there you go. Okay. You open the floor. You wanted to say this in front of everybody. You want to make a point that this guy is dangerous, Cornward. I can see what you're doing too. I'm not going to stand there and take yours as shit. Okay. If you are going to, yeah, if you are going to shoot somebody, okay, to neutralize them. The reason why we're having firearms training is to teach this, by the way, but you aim for the Santa mass. Okay. It staggers them. You can get a little bit further away if you need to. You don't shoot them in the head or like you just said, shoot them in the face. Not as an officer. Well, I mean, to be fair, if he shoots it, if he shoots it in the chin. Can I rebuttal? Okay, go ahead. Real quick. It says, it says Lito, correct? In SOPs, Lito? Not Lito, chess, Lito, not Lito. Okay. Okay. So why couldn't this have been brought up yesterday, Denzel, when we were talking about it in private? Why did you decide to bring it up? No, no, no. I was just, I was just saying, I was just, you know, trying to, I was just quoting SOPs. That's it. Better tell me again, we just shoot to kill. Yeah, so you shoot, you shoot, you shoot expecting to kill. Yeah, so you should never shoot if you don't want to kill the guy, right? But you also do not shoot them in the head fucking execution style. Do not do that shit, guys. Shoot to disable. Yeah, you're shooting to neutralize is the term, okay? Yes. I mean... Now, I understand standing there and saying this guy is a known maniac. We know that. We don't have an issue with the fact that you guys use lethal force. It's the manner in which it happened. And that's the conversation that we were trying to have. So if you're standing up here trying to tell us, hey, this guy is dangerous. Thank you for doing so. We are all very well aware, all right? But I'm not, I'm not going to stand there and have that, okay? I mean, to be fair, execution style... He wasn't on his knees. That's execution style. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like... I feel like it's the same guy. Yeah, I feel like execution style is like... Yeah, I think you need a little bit of... I'm just doing... No, we're just... It's just a conversation. It's not... I had a speech. I had a speech today and I'm not even going to fucking do the speech anymore. I just want to, you know, because... That's execution style. Now, right there was execution style. God! God, what do you think this city... Execution style can also be considered holding a gun a few feet from someone's face and shooting them in it. Like you just said you did. Yeah, but also like... We had a knife out. Yeah, and I felt like this far away. Hey! Hey, look. I suppose the difference between shooting him in his chest as opposed to shooting him in his head. Because if he shoots me in the chest, I can still stab him. Because I'm in luncheon distance. And how many officers were there with their guns out? Three. So you're just going to leave the one officer to shoot? Well, no. But I mean, we all had guns out aimed at him. But I'm saying like, you know, if we shot at his chest, I mean, he still could have... I mean, it don't matter. Yeah, he's going to stab... Hang on. Hang on. He's going to stagger back, right? He's going to stagger back. You shoot someone in the chest, they're going to stagger back. They're not immediately going to be able to stab. No, not always. Okay. Once again, we could go, what ifs? What ifs? We were in a public setting. They're civilians. I went for the kill shot. That is it. Yeah, I mean... Can we continue on with the meeting please and have this conversation at a different time? I mean, I do think it's important. The reason... Okay. So the reason why this is happening in public right now is that Dan Zell brought it up. But also, I fear that there are a lot of people that don't understand the difference, which is probably proving the reason why we severely need this fire-on training. Well, the thing is, if we have three officers there and we're all, like, mag-dumping them in the middle of a Mosley's with other civilians around, like, the potential harm that we call us to a lot more people is way, way higher. Like, if we're all, like, just firing away at his chest as opposed to... Okay, but at the same time, at the same time, you're just going to stand there and let one officer be potentially stabbed and one officer shoot at this guy, or are you going to try and help your fellow officer? I was the one that was about to get stabbed! Yeah, I mean, I was... No, but Dan Zell, you're not listening to what I just said. I'm asking Cornward, would you really just stand there and watch one officer try and defend himself? No, no, I was there. I'm asking if... Like, I was ready to go. I had my gun out on him and I was ready to go. But you just said you wouldn't have shot, though, because it would have been more dangerous. No, no. What I'm saying is the decision to use one bullet, one shot to just end the situation at that point, was more safe than if all of us were trying to shoot at his chest all at once. The shot is a bigger mass, though, than his head. Yeah, but, I mean, it's going to take multiple shots. Like, it's... You know, you swing... Each time that you swing increases the likelihood that there's room for error. Yeah, it looks bad. Okay, guys, right? I think what Viv is also implying, yes, we can shoot him in the head. I've seen another officer. I'm not going to name the name. I just don't... I just want to... But wait, to the community, you're in Mosley's. There's other people there. You're shooting him in the head. Boom, dead. I just don't want to be called execution style when the guy was clearly standing up with a knife. That's not an execution. Okay, dance out, dance out. Okay, we can all argue that it's not execution style, but the fact is somebody filmed that, and in the footage, it genuinely looks like you're just shooting someone in the head. You can hear the guy say, put your gun away. I'm going to stab you. She's not... She's just telling you what it looks like to people at first glance. She's not saying like... With audio? What do you mean, first glance? Listen. Oh. Hang on. You need to stop getting so head up about it, all right? We're trying to have a conversation, okay? We've got a public relations officer standing just here, right? So if, say, that footage got out to the general public and it, you know, you had people going around saying, we've got an officer just, you know, executing someone in Mosley's or shooting him in the head like that, do you agree or not cornwords that you would have to do some PR maybe to try and explain the situation? I'm going to be entirely honest with you from what I've heard from people in the city and how I've seen people react. I think most people would have seen that situation and would have said thank God because the amount of crime and stabbings and people getting their cars and shit robbed at Mosley's and stuff that's happened is just way the hell too high and we never stop it. So I think the only people that... Okay, well then we're going to have to agree to disagree because I think... I mean, hell, I had people tell me that right then and there, you know? Okay. So Mr. Kay and Rami say that? Well, Mr. Kay and Rami are both major suspects in multiple turbo robberies. Of course they're going to have a vested interest in not, you know, in complaining about it, you know? It's kind of clear to me that... I'm super confused as to why we're going on turbo robberies right now. Because we were at Mosley's with police vehicles there with, you know, getting repairs and we were in a prime position to have turbos robbed if he had stabbed us and if it turned into a huge... Okay, okay, okay, okay. We can continue this afterwards but the reason why I've stood up here and said what I said today because I can't have everybody stood in front of the meeting basically saying, you know, it's justified to do something like that. It's justified that the use of force was justified. I'm not worried about that. It's the style in which it happened and what happened after, okay? So I'm making that clear to everybody here that that shouldn't be happening. It's not just me who agrees with this. The high command have also mentioned it. So they're very aware of it, all right? They're understanding that the use of force was justified. Lethal was justified the manner in which was not. And I can't have people thinking that that is okay because it's not. Simple as. Am I the only one that's confused about what that means? After the meeting. After the meeting. What? Yeah, to the community it does look bad. Like, oh my God, he just... Not execution style, but it is execution, right? It's BS. That's all it is. It's gonna look like, oh, I'm... Yeah, you're not gonna... Yeah, you could come in. I mean, the good news, though, is like... We had the opposite occur. We're like... I mean, you have like Moses workers that are like, thank God. You guys are not wrong. It's clean. Listen, but neither is Viv. Viv's not wrong. She's saying it's just how it was handled. The department probably prefer it not to be handled that way, right? But she said it was justified because you're shooting him. She just thinks shooting him point blank in the head didn't look good. I could give a damn. I know you don't. One criminal is on the ground. That is it. The fact of the matter is this. I don't think it's a coincidence that people that have been reported multiple times as potential suspects of stealing turbos are the ones who put in a complaint about Denzel whenever we defended ourselves in Mosley's. You know what I mean? They made a complaint. I didn't even... I didn't know that. No, to be honest with you, I'm kind of happy... Yeah, that's where the footage came from. It was from Mr. K. Yeah, Mr. K gave what the video. I'm glad he did that because God forbid he didn't give him the video. They would never have... Have you seen it? No. The video ain't even that long. Like, I don't know whether... You can clearly hear the guy say... Yeah, you can clearly hear the guy say, put your gun up or I'm going to stab you. What else do you need? Like, you want me to stroke his... before I fucking shoot him? What do you want me to do? I would just let it go, to be honest. I'm letting it go. I think you're good, you know? Well, we'll see. We'll see what happens after the investigation. Yeah, I think it'll be fine. She has a point. I know, I know, I know, I know. You're challenging your superiors. It makes people more... Even if you're rat, it makes people more aggressive. It's like some dumb shit, but she is rat in terms of how you got to handle people sometimes.