 Live from Mountain View, California, it's theCUBE. Covering DevNet Create 2019, brought to you by Cisco. Hey, welcome back to theCUBE. Lisa Martin with John Furrier covering day two of Cisco DevNet Create 2019. And guess who we're here with? Susie We, SVP, and CTO of Cisco DevNet. Susie, thank you so much for having theCUBE here and for joining John and me today. Oh, thank you for being here. So this event, there were so many bodies in here yesterday. It was pretty toasty. It's getting toasty now. It is. This is the third DevNet Create, this community. John and I have been hearing that and feeling it and seeing it, see it, learn it, code it, kind of all of your theme there the last day and a half. This is a really inspiring, really natural sharing community that you guys have built here. It is, it's amazing. I mean, just the energy here as you bring together folks, everybody wants to learn, you know? So everybody wants to learn, there's so many new technologies out there, but new technologies that can turn into business advantage. And you know, the attendees here, they all feel it. And it's a different mixture of people because there's app developers, there's infrastructure and networkers and just the bringing these folks together to see what they can achieve is amazing. So that's the energy that you can really feel here. And the thing that's interesting, I'd like to give a perspective on where this all started from. Because DevNet creates interesting, you know, Amazon's Andy Jassy, the CEO of Amazon Web Services, uses the term builders. So you hear builders, maker culture, create. The creation is a critical part of your ethos here. And with cloud computing, Microsoft's earnings came out. There were trillion dollar market cap now, Amazon crushes their earnings again. You're seeing what cloud is doing that's enabling these creators, a new class of developer. But it's not like a new breed, it's just a new kind of orientation. This is part of your vision to share the story. Well, and kind of the whole thing is that, so I'm all about innovation and creation. And I believe that people just want to create, you know, my four-year-old, she just wants to create. It's just in people's blood. But to now get out there and to do it, you need a catalyst. Like you can't just sit in a room and then create. And sometimes it's about how you bring new fields together, how you bring new technologies together, how you bring non-technologies together, right? How you just bring different types of people and perspectives together. And that's really what DevNet Create is all about. So, you know, so we started DevNet five years ago, you know, just with the idea that, you know, the network is going to become programmable. The infrastructure is going to provide more resources and it's going to be programmable and provide more power to applications. So from then to now, last summer we hit half a million developers. Now we're at 590,000 developers and we're growing, yeah. We're lucky to be part of it and we thank you for including theCUBE and DevNet Create and bringing us into the DevNet community. It's been fun and inspirational. But, you know, being practical in the industry, you need to have a wind at your back. You need to have a wave to ride on. And creation is also about momentum. And if you look at the marketplace today, there's some big waves happening. You know, cloud computing is obvious. One, everyone looks at. That certainly changed the nature of companies. This goes multi-cloud, looking at a bigger vision there. But new waves are coming. I mean, Wi-Fi 6 is a game changer, you got 5G. So you talked about this in the keynote. I want you to take a minute to explain the big waves that you outlined. Because with big waves, there's more fun, there's more creation, but there's wealth creation, there's economic vitalization, there's a new vibe. Share the waves. And sign of the whole thing is that we say, there's the infrastructure. You get your networking, you get your compute, it evolves to cloud computing and all of that. But on top of that are these applications. And this amazing set of applications. And we know that those are creating entirely new and disruptive businesses and business models. And there's a lot of growth in all of that. Now, traditionally what happens is that with every wave of infrastructure advancement, comes a new set of applications and businesses. So, going back to our olden days, but there was a time when, you know, you started to get a converged IP network, where you put data and voice together on an IP network and then came voice over IP. Then came cloud computing. And you could do internet search. And, you know, world enough to remember before then. And, you know, then you got like 3G. And instead of just having the cell phone, you could do mobile apps on cell phones. You had mobile apps. And then with 4G, you could do mobile video. And now you just expect it. Now, you could think, okay, the infrastructure's done, but no, there's more. So, some of the things that are happening right now that's really exciting is I kind of talked about it in three areas. In networking, we have a couple really big things going on, which is Wi-Fi 6 and 5G. And so, there's a whole set, and we'll talk more about that. In computing, there's the fact that actually GPUs are everywhere. And with that, you can do AIML everywhere. So, AI and machine learning. And then the third one is just in advancement in architectures. We knew that we moved to mobile. We knew that we moved to compute. But now what becomes real is the edge computing. And so, when you bring these things together, you have new capabilities in network with Wi-Fi 6 and 5G. You have new capabilities in computing because GPUs are everywhere, so you can do AI and ML. And then you actually have a spot at the edge where you can do edge processing. And then all of a sudden, there's this whole new world of applications just waiting to be built. And we want to let developers know that, because you kind of develop and you build for what you know. You're like, oh, this is just how good I can do. But there's a whole new capability coming. Well, first of all, let's unpack those talk tracks. Because one of the things that I, as an entrepreneur, you know, we've always talked about this. The creativity that comes from entrepreneurial thinking, whether you're a true entrepreneur starting a company or within a company doing that inside a company, takes creative juices. You got to have that catalyst, as you mentioned. But also, you got to imagine new ideas, right? And so, by enabling, say, Wi-Fi, for instance, everyone knows what Wi-Fi is. But when you think about the new advances of Wi-Fi and having connectivity with wireless and wired networks with new data access, it just opens up this creative outlet. This is going to be the tsunami or the renaissance of applications that you've been talking about. It is, it is. And, you know, so, like, if we kind of geek out, because I was working on HDTV before it really became HDTV and you're doing things like OFDM and, you know, like we're so excited, spread spectrum technologies. But right now with Wi-Fi 6, we can really geek out again. So OFDM's moving to OFDMA, OFDM Multiple Access. It means, like, an access point usually talks to one client at a time. But now it can split up and talk to multiple clients at a time. And with that, you can actually get much higher capacity, right? So you can actually really use your kind of network more efficiently, you know, and then you can actually now also do scheduling. And then you can actually guarantee that a client is going to be scheduled in and get transmissions. That changes what you can do with Wi-Fi and the way you think about it, you know? And then there's this power savings because now you can tell a device the time to wake up. So you kind of sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep. Here's your target wake-up time. Sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep. Here's your target wake-up time. That extends battery life. So you can have sensors that'll be out there for one year, five years, 10 years doing its thing. And so that takes all those IoT applications that you've always wanted to build but make some real because someone has to go up and install that sensor and the battery life matters. And the GPU anywhere, the other, so the second wave is the GPU anywhere, which I like because you think of GPUs and Nvidia, you think of graphics, you think of gaming, but it's actually a processor for machine learning. It is. So I want to give you thoughts on this because if you have put GPUs on devices everywhere and the data that you're now accessing across the network brings more intelligence. What's the impact of this GPU anywhere? Is it just IoT? Is it just applications? What's the net net? So kind of the most important thing about it is that before you kind of needed to have a PhD to do AI and machine learning, right? And we have friends who are experts at that and they're continuing to push the envelope in there. You know, I was just back at MIT and just the advances in ML is amazing. But the other thing that's happening is that this is just getting wrapped up so developers can just use it. So you can actually have a TensorFlow.js library that'll just sit on your mobile device. You can actually just be using your browser. You can actually write a web app that uses that and then uses the GPU, which just means right there, you can just write a little web app. Like with five lines of code, you can say, find all the people in this picture. Find the bottles in this picture, right? So just be like doing that on the fly and you don't have to have a PhD in machine learning. You can actually, developers can just use this capability. And so that's kind of what unlocks it, is just because it's accessible to everyone and now you'll get that next wave of innovation when people can just use it and find the right applications for it. So looking at these three big changes that you've talked about, network, compute, architectural, did you leverage these big waves to design this year's create? Because we're hearing all of that in the free technology tracks. Tell us a little bit about that. It is. So first of all, we have Wi-Fi 6 here, live. And people know there's the idea of it. We've done some performance tests around it and we're like, it screams. You know, it just, it really does scream. And you're used to not counting on that, right? And so people, it opened up people's eyes and they're thinking differently now about what they can do here. What are some of the reactions of the geeks at Cisco when they look at the data of Wi-Fi 6? What's some of the anecdotal reactions that they're saying, what's the sum of the hallway? Oh, I'm surprised. Because everybody's kind of cynical about it. Because quite honestly, even getting ready for it is just like, you guys, we're going to jump on Wi-Fi 6. And they're like, oh yeah, well, whatever. And then, you know, one of my guys, Ashutosh went off and did the speed test and he started working with it and he came back into my office. His eyes were popped out of his head. It's fast. And you showed it yesterday at all the cameras and they're like, whoa. Everyone, so because you don't have that expectation, right? But once you know it, it's going to really unleash this whole new set of things. There's actually something else interesting we did with the edge processing with the GPUs, which is the idea of edge computing, not a new idea. The reality of it is still coming into play. Now, what happens is Cisco just announced some new products as these industrial routers. It's an industrial gateway. It means you can put it up on the telephone pole. You can put it into a manufacturing plant at high temperatures. And it's the gateway that will connect all of your devices and sensors and be the networking conduit to get everything back. So that's an awesome product and that product actually hosts applications. And what matters is the deployment of this infrastructure, right? So Cisco's partners will get out there. They're going to sell and kind of install this networking equipment in manufacturing companies. But now it can host applications so developers can actually reach it. And so now that's a place for developers, but we're doing something new here, which is that we have a prototype of taking that product. We have a prototype GPU, you know, an NVIDIA just in that we put on top of it and we're letting developers hack at it and say, would you use this? Like, tell us some of your best ideas. Like, try it out because we still need to figure out the market and what's there. And we're doing it with developers. And where do they go with the creativity there? Because obviously one is a gateway, so they're used to gateways and they understand edge devices. What are some of the ideas that come out of hacking a GPU? Is it running data analytics on the edge? Is it hosting an application and, you know, managing edge devices themselves? What are some of the cool things? I mean, things like video sensing. So now, like at your edge, you have lots of cameras and because you can do GPU processing, you can actually take these multi-camera inputs, do video sensing algorithms, things that you kind of dreamed about before, but now just doing that for real. You know, finding construction workers, finding the hard hats, right? In the images, like to make sure that you can actually have people be safe. You know, one thing that we know about AI and machine learning is like, a lot of times people say, okay, I'm going to hire a data scientist. A data scientist come in and they can't really get the data. Like, they don't have anything to work on until there's a good data set to work on. Well, actually, as you connect up these environments, that's when data is coming in. So you connect up like transportation systems, like SCADA, like utilities protocols. You're actually talking to manufacturing equipment. Real-time data from traffic or Tesla. And so, that stuff comes in, but then you need to kind of munch on that data to know when should I be looking? How can I get it into a form that I can do some AI and machine learning? So new use cases, you expect new use cases to emerge? They are. And it's really cool because there's a time when there's all of this stuff you can do on the web and in the cloud and without applications, but it's coming back to the physical world. And that's what you mean by the edge is this architectural thing. That's really the edge. The new architecture of having these kinds of capabilities is going to create new sets of applications that we've never seen before. New startups, new applications. It is. And really kind of the thing with DevNet Create is bringing in the community of people who do install infrastructure, knowing that this infrastructure is becoming programmable and having that able to host the applications and the innovations that are coming from the developers, it's like, it just unlocks entirely new business models. And I think here, these two communities are meeting and mixing. And I think that's the energy that we're seeing out here. It's because they didn't expect to talk to each other. When we started DevNet Create, we knew that it was coming. We didn't know how the people would mix. And this has evolved to where the people are mixing in entirely new ways and making connections. And someone who's written an app, there's like, oh, you're a partner. You can deploy this in all different countries. That's a new kind of deployment model for my app. We talked a little bit about that yesterday with Argas as well as Mandy. And you've got these kind of different worlds colliding. They are. But one of the things that John pointed out is that this is not a marketing-driven event. This is not for lead generation. This is a truly collaborative event. And you're getting clearly developers and infrastructure guys and girls from clearly, very probably competing companies who are sharing. They are. So I can imagine the cultural change that this can bring to born-in-the-cloud traditional enterprise, maybe something that wasn't originally planned. But I could just imagine these worlds clenching and seeing how much better they can work together. And that is something that, with DevNet, so if you even go to the world of networking and IT and just enterprises, there's a new model, right? So things become programmable. People's biggest problem is automation, doing things at scale. How do I go ahead and deploy my networks across all of these sites around the world? You can automate that. How do I take machinery and get business insights from that so I can actually use it for more? You know, you want to do that in software. And so you have to change your mindset because then it is about collaboration. It's about sharing software. And everyone knows that they can get there faster by sharing code and ending up with a code repository. We have code exchange that we've created in DevNet. We just opened it up last year. We now have over 400 repos. We just crossed over 400. You guys are changing the way people are doing work within your own community, both DevNet and DevNet create, bringing those worlds together and it's working. It's magical. So congratulations on all the success you've had. I got to ask you about your journey because we've talked years before, you've joined Cisco and we've been following and talking to you since you've been here. And I was seeing in our opening yesterday, Cisco as a company is like a big aircraft carrier. It's making the big move, right? And you're seeing Chuck Robbins, the CEO, cloud. Everything has APIs on it. Every portfolio process got APIs. So he's pulling the Satya Nutella move, which is let's get cloudified. Let's figure out our role in cloud computing and beyond and you're mentioning some of those things. As you continue to show progress in the growth of DevNet and the community, it's changing Cisco. And we're seeing as we cover with theCUBE and Chuck's called you up publicly and said, Susie, great job. So there's a recognition that DevNet and the work you and your team are doing are as changing the face of Cisco internally and externally. How is that going as the battleship starts to move? And by the way, data center is still more important than ever before. With hybrid and multi-cloud, things are lining up for Cisco and you're a big part of it. What's going on in the company and what's Chuck Robbins saying to you and your meetings with him? He's like, hey, good job, let's double down. No, Chuck is an amazing leader and Chuck completely understands the vision. And that's why he's been supporting DevNet. So he's been supporting DevNet, not just because he likes Susie or anything like that. It's because he understands the importance of programmability. He understands what it means for starting new businesses and creating new business models, what it means for the ecosystem to grow into it, what that opportunity is. So he's always understood it and I'm super lucky because he's been supporting these efforts. But now what's happening is, of course, he wants more. Right? And so I just presented to Chuck and his executive leadership team last week about the plans that we have going forward. We've actually just kind of what I would say is that we've done the MVP of DevNet. So I know that we've gotten a half a million members, actually almost 600,000. Product market shifts all year. We now have real assets, we have a real community, we have companies that are changing how they work using our assets and really forming in this community. And now to get it to the next level, he's actually really kind of sponsoring and working with us to develop it to the next level. And really the team is all coming together. The engineering team, the customer experience team, sales and marketing, like, you know, and then how we work externally with all of our communities. And so we're really growing into the next level. And you've got a great team, you know, we've worked with all your team, we love your team. But one of the things I like about what you've done here is that, and you said it yesterday on stage at Closing Keynote, you're feeling like a star user word, MVP, most minimum viable product. That's a startup word. So you have this startup culture and you're in a big company, so it's working. Is it contagious? Are people, are there antibodies coming at you or people are joining you? What's going on? Because how do you keep that startup vibe going? Yeah, I think that I'm just very fortunate because my team all has that attitude. Is they're very externally driven. So they're like, how do I help our developers? Like how do we help our community? How do we bring them along? And we totally drive ourselves by that. And then we're constantly asking them, how can we help you more? What do you want from us? And they say, if we're doing something that's not useful to you, tell us now so we can stop. So we can build something else. And so we continually evolve our, we're iterating, yeah, we're just. And so we actually listen and then we really figure out how to go to that next level. Now what's really fun is that also, though we work with all of the other organizations, right? So I'm not going to replicate the Salesforce, we work with them. I'm not going to replicate the SES that are out in the field. They're using DevNet and they're running their own DevNet Express events in their countries for their partners and customers. So we've really kind of built out really collaboratively and we've gotten so much support. And like the first days, everybody was like, hey guys, you have a software strategy. You need to look at developers. You need APIs and they're like, nice job, Suzy. Yes, keep on going. You're bringing the dev ops to the culture. DevNet's an API to all the other organizations. Well, and now that we are where we are is just, it's the partnerships. Like our product teams are investing and improving their APIs. We advocate for the developer's viewpoint into those and it's a collaboration. So I don't make the products. Our product teams make the products. I don't sell the product. Our sales team sells the products, right? So we've really brought together the forces and we're fortunate because everyone's doing it. It sounds to me like what DevNet is doing is really driving this organic cultural evolution within Cisco. Is it, would you say, and maybe I'm making a leap here, that it sounds to me like what I've seen, and this is my first DevNet as well, is that DevNet seems to be an accelerator of Cisco's evolution. I would say maybe it's an accelerator. And I want to say is that we have great efforts going on across the company and people are trying to figure it out. So I can't say I'm the one driving it. That would just be too much to say. But we are trying to accelerate each other's efforts. And now that we've grown a community, we've provided a platform. Like we do get more than a million eyeballs a month onto our site, and we use that as a channel. So we're really working to accelerate and kind of catalyze each other's efforts. And if you step out and zoom out, you can see how it all hangs together. You got APIs on all the products, so that's an enabler. You have developer onboarding of new kinds of customers and existing ones melting together, kind of in this melting pot of developers. And you've got the cloud way behind you and Edge and AI. And then you can see Cisco becoming multi-cloud. It's almost like it's kind of feeding turning in the right spot where, I mean, you don't have a cloud. I mean, like you have connectivity. You have data. We have connectivity. You have DevOps, NetApp, NetApp. So it seems like a nice positioning for the future. But you have all this other revenue and other customers, so it's going to take some time. We have great products. Our products five years ago, we had a handful of products with APIs. Now, our whole portfolio is programmable. So that's not my efforts. Those are the product teams building great products and entering this world of programmability. We're bringing in the community and giving them the tools so that they can use them, right? So otherwise you can't just make a product and have it sit there. You didn't have to have it sit there. Okay, what was your presentation to Chuck? What's the vision? Where do you go next? Got some great momentum. Congratulations on the success. We'd love being part of it. It's a lot of action. It's very inspiring, intoxicating at the same time. What's next? What's the vision? Yeah, so really if we, and I love the way that we've built up DevNet is because we started with our developers in the community that needed to become developers or power users of software, right? So we've done the technical enablement. Like we have documented APIs. We have learning labs. We have sandboxes so people can just code. So we've really been focusing on enabling them and providing all that technical enablement. And now what happens is people are asking us, how do I make this real? How do I spread this across my organization? How do I bring these solutions to my customers and into the world? And in order to do that, I need to change how I do manufacturing. In order to do this, I need to change how we build solutions. And so help us with that filler solution. So we're really stepping up to both beyond the technical enablement to just bringing it to reality and to real solutions that are in operational environments. And so it's just really exciting to be working together on all that. And we'll have a bunch of more new stuff coming that we'll talk about at Cisco Live. And you have a great party at Cisco Live. You always have the social club event. You got to keep that going, right? Of course, we'll keep the social club going and we'll have a bunch of new things to announce at Cisco Live as well. Exciting, that's just a few weeks from now. So last question, your takeaway from some of the anecdotes that you've heard the last day and a half of DevNet create three. Yeah, so kind of the vision that we had set forward. And it's one that we've been thinking about is just that the infrastructure really enables a new set of applications and business models. And we had the idea of it, but again, with these advances that we talked about, with Wi-Fi 6 and 5G, with GPUs enabling AI and machine learning and edge computing, is that people get it and people know that it's not like someday we'll have this, someday we'll have that, which I've been in research. I know that view, but it's actually like right here and right now. And so. Making it real. Making it real. And it's available for people to use. Like this next one, two years is going to be super exciting for the industry, because it's not just theoretical, it's not just what it could do, but there's real tools that are right out there for people to develop exciting new things. I wish I was younger, I wish I was in my 20s. That's okay, we take old people and young people all together, diversity, yes. Diversity, inclusion, the effect, yes. We're inclusive, young and old. It's so exciting because it's so much an enablement and knowing what's the megatrends that are the real waves, it's actually real, it's happening. Yeah, and I actually want to, actually while we do talk about diversity and inclusion and enablement, what's really exciting is, I just brought is that we have some of our partners who are transforming themselves and we actually have some women in tech initiatives that have started out, so. I love that. Tell us about it. Okay, so Presidio, Verizon, they've invested, they've invested in helping the women in their organizations. Well, they're helping everybody evolve to embrace programmability and automation to understand the application, the opportunities there. So, they are fully kind of taking this paradigm and transforming their workforces to embrace it. But in addition, we've partnered to also provide extra support and call out for the women who are making the journey and who have to face maybe some additional challenges or just ensuring that they have the opportunity and they get the visibility. And they've both sponsored. So, Presidio, Verizon have both sponsored bringing some of their women to DevNet Create. I loved how you brought them on stage this morning. I did bring them on stage. Without telling them. But I looked at for you. I mean, you just had this genuinely enormous smile of pride. Oh, I'm so proud of them. So, yeah. And you should be, but that's amazing that Cisco and DevNet is also making that investment in women in technology. We're doing it together with them. And, you know, I'm just proud of what they're doing. And, you know, this is the workforce. Like everybody, you saw the woman up on stage. If you guys watch the keynote, you'll see that it's out there. These are the people you want to hire, you know? And why would you not use that workforce? Right? Exactly, why would you not? And get them all young, too. Like you mentioned your daughter, right? She, when she started putting the Maraki switch at home. You know you've made it, right? Yes, no. She's demanding a computer for me already. She's like, Mommy, you have two. How come I don't have one? She said, Mommy, why are you using command line? That's next. Susie, you're an inspiration. An inspirational female in technology. We all often gravitate towards Sheryl Sandberg. I think we should start including Susie, we and that. Thank you so much for having us at DevNet. It's been a pleasure to meet you and have the chance to interview you. We can't wait to see where do you go from here? We'll continue to change the world together. Thank you. I love it. Awesome. Thank you for John Furrier. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE Live from Cisco DevNet Create 2019. Thanks for watching.