 Next question is from veggie lifts are knee sleeves necessary for power lifting necessary So there's a different if you want to look serious So there's a difference between knee sleeves and knee wraps So I want to first I want to you know make sure we discern the difference, right? So knee wraps are very tight and create a tremendous amount of pressure and there's springiness in the knee wraps and Stability in them and you'll get you'll add weight to the bar Because the wraps are so tight and because when you put them on if you put on power lifting knee wraps, right? It's hard to bend your knee when you have them on can't really sit down with just body weight No, it's so it's like adding a little bit of a spring to especially the bottom portion of squat So we're not talking about that we're talking about knee wraps and knee wraps are kind of tight and they go around the knee Do they add you know like strength to your your your knee not really, but why can people lift more with them? We had an interview with Jordan shallow the other day that hasn't aired or maybe we'll air and we are this episode But he talked about the different ways that the brain Perceived signals pain is one of them pressure is another one and pressure is faster than pain and My theory now is when you wear a sleeve and they say it warms up the joints. That's why they don't hurt I think what's happening is the brain is perceiving the pressure of the knee sleeve And it's and you're not perceiving the pain as much So I wear the knee sleeves now my knees feel looser and I feel like I can squat without warming up as much I think that's probably plus it provides the feedback Mechanism back that there's a bit of more stability. Yeah within that that joint itself and if that is a conscious psychological Barrier for you going into a squat You know, that's something immediately. There's gonna be a performance Loss in terms of if I'm if I'm dropping down in position, but I'm very conscious at my knees You know a bit of an issue like there's a bit of instability there You know adding more demand more load to that situation is gonna get you to you know It's gonna expose that that being the weak link so to add the the sleeves a lot of times like psychologically You know may help in terms of like feeling like you're just more stable like a thunder vest Yes, look at thunder I mean, I think the the the short and quick answer to this are they necessary this is no It's definitely not necessary and in fact if you can power lift without any of the tools And that's wraps and sleeves and what are there other belt and all those popular? I mean, you're better off I mean if you if you can power lift and do well and perform and Without any of those tools you're gonna be better off in real life Than if you have to use all those tools now There's some competitions and power lifting that allow you to use all the learn how to yeah They allow you to use all these accessories And so if you can and there's an advantage to using some of these then it's gotten a thousand pounds I've probably suggested right right so there's there's definitely there's definitely an advantage to doing that But there's actually more benefits to you not if you don't have to yeah I think if you compete and they allow knee wraps and a belt Then you should train with them to learn how to use them because you can't just put them on the average person and Expect them to lift more weight. There's a skill and technique and a comfort and a feel that you get from using them So that's different now if you now for the average person who's not gonna actually go and compete in competitions And just wants to work out. I here's why I don't like knee wraps or excuse me not knee wraps But it definitely not knee wraps, but knee sleeves I think it hides the issue and I think it prevents people from solving the root issue So if my knees kind of bother me and then I put a wrap on it Ooh, they feel a little better. I haven't solved the problem You're not really listened to your body's feedback No And I would even go as far as to say if you don't solve the problem and you allow yourself to train heavy because of knee sleeves Then you're the risk of injuries even higher down the road because now I'm pushing through or maybe my body's not perceiving the pain the same because of this outside pressure Signal and I can use more weight and now my my risk of injury later on becomes a bigger problem Do you think more people use them? Because they are trying to tamp down pain or do you think more use it because of the advantage It gives you for like the rebound effect. Well knee rat knees sleeves. Don't give you a ton. You've ever worn sleeves Yeah, they're not a huge They do not really I mean we're gonna add two pounds. It's not like a wrap like that's a different ball game Actual sleeves are more like what they would they say it warms your joints up Reduces pain feels more comfortable. Sometimes you see bodybuilders worm on their elbows If you ever seen them do that because it you know, it feels but I think it's just not solving the cause it allows you to push past pain and There might be some value in that like I could see like a bodybuilder. They got the show coming up Like I can't back off. I mean I I used them like playing around with them I never used them consistently and I didn't have pain. That's not why I put them on I put them on because I felt I had an advantage from coming coming out of the hole See I get that from the compression pants, too, but they're not compressing so much, right? I think it's really the feedback. It's just feels tight and so you don't get a whole lot of stored elastic energy Yeah, that's not a ton, but I feel like that Because like a way Jordan was explaining it how it communicates the brain You're your CNS probably allows you to perform a little bit better because of that outside, you know Kind of signal yeah interesting But I mean relying on it and not solving the like if your back hurts if you don't wear a belt So you always wear a belt like you're setting yourself up for some problems You might want to figure out why the hell your back hurts in the first place and that's how I feel about sleeves like this now if you use the sleeve as a way to Allow you to move in a way that solves the root cause Then now the sleeves are being used in my opinion in a really good way Yeah, I think it just it's become like a thing You're you're a bodybuilder you wear the weight belt around and you do it with tricep pushdowns and bicep curls And you do it the whole entire workout you're a power lifter You've got your knee sleeves either probably rolled up or you got them hanging down on your ankles until you go do your Deadlifts or like that or your squats. It's just a I think it's become an accessory as far as like, you know Parallel I remember as a kid Obviously bench press was the exercise. That's the one all the All the guys in high school talked about how much could you bench out so as all I focused on was How strong I could get in a bench press because that's what the bragging rights came from and I remember at one point My wrist started to bother me because I would use a thumbless grip this kind of like suicide grip They call it and my wrist were bothering me. Oh man. What am I gonna do and then someone's like put on You know these wrist what were they wrist wraps, right? They actually went around your wrist They were for power lifters and they're tight and lo and behold my wrist didn't hurt anymore I could bench more weight. Well, I never fixed the problem later on as an adult. I'm like, why do I'm wearing these? I don't want to wear these more. I took them off wrist hurt again I had to relearn technique and form and then of course over time I was able to lift as much as I could before but that's the issue that I see with some of the stuff is They don't solve the problem. They throw the band-aid on They continue to push their body and then you start to get problems later on that are Harder to solve or maybe take longer to solve Hey, if you enjoyed that clip you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe