 can you hear me now? can you hear us? yes this time i can hear you well thank you very much so i'm here i'm Marta Fernandez i'm here with Karina Lopez she is the digital future society thing time director and i want to say hi because he had hi i want to say hi because he had to go to another meeting with the city council with the Barcelona city council so just five minutes ago she she got a call from the city council so he had to run away no it's okay it's okay sorry about that but we have Karina which is the thing time director and we will explain you a little bit more about digital future society the new program launched by mobile world capital and the minister of economy and business from the Spanish government the Catalonia government of Catalonia the city council the Barcelona city council and Fira and GCMA so and now Karina will explain you a little bit about what is digital future society which are our our challenge no and opportunities with this project and the main goal of this call is because we wanted to invite you to be one of the members of the global practice of this project and also to invite you to to join us in the digital future society summit in november that you already told us that you will not be able to attend in person but maybe we can find a way to maybe we will be very honored to maybe maybe to have your presentation there so but let's start with the yeah we can we can always do the telepresence and we also have our local type of economic and cultural office team who can also help with the conversation so you can always talk with a real people it's just me that may be you know attached to another person but but I think you can begin the conversation and just to let you know we will be on the record and on the end of the talk we can decide to publish the video as is or you want to edit the transcript it's up to you so please start okay okay thank you so uh we as you may already seen we sent you a executive summary of what the digital future society is this is a new very ambitious initiative is a we aim to be a global program that connects different actors at global scale we're talking about experts policy makers uh civic entrepreneurs and organizations and they'll bring we'll bring them together to to address understand and engage with issues around the ethical legal and inclusion challenges that the digital transformation and the digital economy are are presenting to us these days um as part of this initiative we have we have three main verticals of action um is a is a is a project that has been designed to be top down and bottom up at the same time so one of the verticals is a think tank so the think tank is about creating new knowledge in different different areas that are very aligned with the with the challenges as perceived by society so we'll be touching issues that are very close to the day to day of city of citizens and the and work of the think tank will be a lot of institutional work but we'll be working really hard to bring that content and that generated knowledge to to to the our streets yes so the second vertical will be like a lab where we'll transfer knowledge into solutions that can be prototypes can be pilots but the the objective really is is really to bring together best practices based on what other countries are already doing and now they are tackling the same challenges but also develop new solutions for problems that are shared among different geographic regions and and collectives and the and the third vertical of this initiative is all the activities we'll do around cities and engagement and we'll do this there's activities in Barcelona but also across all the Spanish territory and Europe and anywhere we'll be invited to but it's really about making sure that when we talk about technology and and technological development we're thinking about what which what's the impact but the challenges and opportunities that these develop these bringing to our society and how as a collective can address this challenge from an ethical and legal but also inclusion and equitable perspective so as we also mentioned very briefly in our executive summary and we'll have a transversal to all these three verticals we'll have a very ambitious objective which is to design and get together with institution as a global scale to design a new letter of human rights that includes the digital rights and really understand what should be the basic human digital rights and because we know all the impact the digital is having in our lives and we want to have a voice and to have a humane perspective on the technological development and regarding the the think tank and how we've been thinking and trying to structure what we want to present you know simplifying it a lot you can say that when we talk about technology we usually have these horizontal linear narrative around the design of technology and then is put to use and then lastly usually try to govern the impact negative or positive of that technology but the we want to bring a more circular way and engaging way where when technology is being designed it's really designed from the human perspective and addressing already the impact that technology is going to have on society and and users and not and to have technology not designers thinking just about consumers but is about all of us as a society and also talking about sustainability and so on so the four main topics will be very generic topics we'll be talking about is about inclusion and citizen empowerment and then we have which is related with the the relation between citizens and the technological development and then we have public innovation that's really about the challenges that the digital brings to to policy makers and how we have to change the dynamic the the speed but also the relations of engagement to design policy and then we have an area about digital trust and security and we are very concerned our the relations of also relations of power between small organizations and large organizations and our small organizations can adapt to these new contexts and how can we empower them and this can be civic organizations but also small companies family companies and so on that in spain are a very large percentage of the organizations we have and companies in the country and then lastly we want we the fourth topic is a more global topic and it's about equitable growth so we want to make sure that when we talk about growth we have a equitable perspective where no one is left behind and that we always have a very inclusive and sustainable in different perspectives approach to development and growth so these are the main topics we'll engage with these topics with the support of a group of institutions from different parts of the globe within the think tank and this content will always be transformed to arrive to the day-to-day of citizens because sometimes some of the challenges we took around digital you know they they are translated in a very different way when they get to the day-to-day of citizen and sometimes we have to build this bridge know the challenges that the policymakers face and the citizen faces with the digital are different but they are connected and we have to create these these bridges of and parts of communication so this is you know a very brief description of what we are doing I don't know if you have specific questions regarding the the perspective the approach and so on yes I've read executive summaries and it is very well written so I think this idea of doing technology not for the people but with the people is very well aligned with our philosophy as well I understand that gsm a is one you know patron or sponsor to this activity as I understand they also have many other activities such as around sustainable development goals such as in the EU there's the horizon projects decent and decode and others focusing on roughly speaking the same goals so what are your relationships with the EU and UN level organizations working on roughly speaking similar things okay so for example with gsm a we have a very close relationship we work with them on different projects so they'll be part of our global global board of trustees but also they'll be part of the think tank because they have units that are dedicated just to to research and policy making so we'll be working closely with them and we are very aligned on assuring that you know the tech sector really thinks about development goals and we work together in a productive proactive way towards the schools regarding the european commission we have very close relationship with the city council and you know the city council wants to participate in projects like decodes through francis cabri and their team and we close we work very close with them every every day we have projects on for example women women women and technology that are aligned with the sum of the projects that they are doing at european level we also participate in a lot of european projects and we are in close relationship conversations with the with the commission to present the the project and also fully we'll get there and their support and we have invited the commissioner gabriela maria and carlos moedas we have invited them also to be part of the global board of trustees and and they are they are willing to to be part as well okay that's great that's great so um so not only the values are aligned but you're already working in a day-to-day kind of operation level uh with with these people uh that that's very good yeah yeah um i have another clarifying question so um as part of this board of trustees suppose that i agree uh what what are my like are there yearly or monthly obligations uh and can i fulfill those obligations through telecommunication only well uh for us a global board of trustees uh want them to be to support to advise and there is no at timing you know obligations or it's very flexible you mean for example we would like them to to participate in or summits but they can come for example one in a year or if they don't if they can come a representative of them can come or maybe they can they can just be online in a video conference so there's no we we understand that these members you know they have a very hey thought agenda so what we want for them is they expertise they they are biased they support for example with the team done with the principles with the thematics if we are going you know in the in the good path or if we are in the you know in the good line so it's more of this advice point of view than no obligation of you know of writing or sending reports or no exactly it's only their advice and support and you're like expertise on these thematics you know exactly so it's the society itself um a just a name of a project like there's another team that I participate called the Global Council on Extended Intelligence or Global CXI which is Joy Ito and IEEE and a bunch of friends and but there's no institution of it it's just a bunch of people working on policy documents and suggestions and things like that so are you institutionalized um as a non-profit or a foundation or some some way or is it really just a project name for um you know a few pillars but sharing the branding if you know what I'm talking about do you mean the program digital future society so what you know it's a program that will be part of the our foundation the Mobile Capital Foundation which is a which is a public foundation in in Spain and we have the three levels of levels of government which is a very unusual structure for our for our country so um but it will be an initiative led by our foundation but it will be a global initiative so it really you know it's really about bringing different institutions together and creating space and we have a we have a privileged position within the the telecommunications sector because we have the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona we have very close relationship with the different stakeholders and with GSMA and we want you know to to start within that space that we already have and and really create a space for reflection and also to position the Spain and the Spanish speaking countries to create this space of debate for to really think about the digital but always in relation with Europe and other geographic regions of the of the world right so so it's it's mostly a I would say because you're a foundation a a social sector institution that's supporting this endeavor and there's no like corresponding office within the Campedonian government or the Baselonian uh city council there are more like participants to your program is that the idea exactly so the the the three levels of government we have they are in our board of trustees as a foundation and they meet you know every quarter and we do a presentation of activities and and they give us support but there is no physical we have the physicals office and of the foundation but we won't have a physical space institution institutionalized space for the digital future society um so be a more heterogeneous program that will be led by by the foundation but in collaboration with a lot of other institutions and support from from the city council regional government and central government yeah the board of trustees of the foundation of the mobile capital foundation uh the city council the government of catalonia and the ministers of spain they are they will be also part of the global one of the representative of each one will be part of the global board of trustees of digital future society as well so that's the connection as well with the board of trustees of the foundation and and for us and the foundation is very important because this is the way that the minister of spain catalonia government and masona city council they talk each other you know through our foundation it's very important because digital future society also wants to do a new legislation helps to not to a new legislation to become you know in this digital area not so and that's the way that we can connect all of them all the policymakers exactly okay that's great so one final question um so say that if i um want to send a delegate from taipei to the congress for example uh and i will attach myself to them and things like that um what what degree of uh travel and or accommodation uh can this project support or have we um are we supporting our own budget for traveling we will we will we will support all these expenses yes that's also we'll support the traveling accommodation and the and most of the fees yeah exactly that you have when you are here for example if you come to moai world congress because in moai world congress we are as we will also do a summit of digital future society we we still don't know which day but once we have all the information if you are a member of our global world trustees you will receive an invitation and we will support all the expenses that's great because i i i may um not uh be able to physically come because it is uh for example if it's during the parliamentary inquiry session i will have to remain in taiwan but i'm always able to find someone who can be a herself or himself a very knowledgeable expert also for example we had a conversation around social impact investment uh in in south korea and um our delegation is a my predecessor like an ex minister for social innovation and social enterprise but and she attended on kind of my behalf but from the civil society she's from the academia anyway but i appear through a mountable ipad so that i can still be part of the conversation uh but but if this arrangement is okay to you then i will let my civil society and academic people know that if they act as kind of my my avatar or whatever uh you will still be able to support the accommodation and traveling costs exactly that's that's no problem yeah that will be you know it's already allocated to be in our budget this type of of costs and uh and you know we we we know that sometimes organizations and people have to send a representative because of the agendas and and other public obligations and so on and commitments so that will not be a problem yes at all okay okay well in that case um i'm i'm i would say that i'm willing uh and uh but because of our um law here i will have to check with our HR department the secretary general you know uh they have to verify first that you're a a non-profit that we we know about and that the work that you're doing aligns with our national interest so so they will they will do some due diligence and may send you some emails but i'm i'm quite willing to join this endeavor yeah thank you very much and if you need any other information i see no information or any other presentation we can you only have to ask and we can send it to you or if we want if you want us to talk with any other person from the government we can arrange another call exactly okay that's great that's all i need um so are you okay with us just publishing this video because it will help yes because uh any other government official i'll just point this youtube link to them and they will understand the context of what we were talking about understand and support that i think it's a very good idea as well okay well then thank thank you for your time and let's continue this conversation thank you for your time thank you very much bye thank you