 So yeah, I'm just thinking we would go over, you know, minutes, public comment, share any learnings that we've had, check-ins, and then report back from other, from city committees, and just getting an update about what's next there, and then spending the rest of our time really focus on the creative disperse survey results and city council presentation on the 21st, and the updated draft there, and if I can share my screen there as well. And then any other business, including, you know, any fundraising or recruitment, I also just been, so I was like, I feel like we should just touch base on the follow-up in the committee chair meeting that we had over a month ago now, just to make sure to see if there's any other, like, next steps that we should do there, and then make our plan for our next meeting. How does that all sound to folks? Okay. And Michael, are you good taking notes again? Yes. Thank you, although let's maybe, let's hold that, let's just do a round of, yeah, check-ins, learnings that you're doing, anything along those lines, anything you want to share. I'm pulling this up so I can, like, actively say the right thing, but I'm taking some training through the Vermont League of Cities and Towns on sort of an equity work, and it's about implementation and, like, it's past, like, it's sort of talking about to public administrators what, what is the planning, and then once you've done any sort of planning or information gathering, how do you implement that? What are the next steps there? That's been really helpful. If I find the name of the group who's running it, I will send that into the chat. It sounds a lot like GAIR, which I think some of y'all are familiar with, but it's not who's running it. So it's a group called REAL, and so I'll put a link in the chat to that group. But they're doing a class on organizing and operationalizing racial equity in government. So it's exciting. It's been really nice. I kind of think I feel like we just packed. Yeah, Jeremy? Good morning. Good. It's definitely summer, and it feels like we're doing a lot with COVID things and renewed visitations from people from afar. So it's definitely like a different pace than pandemic time, which is good, but also hard to get used to doing more in-person stuff at work, which is energizing, particularly the workshop kind of things that I do. But yeah, I haven't done too much learning. I'm actually not learning. I'm trying not to learn. Now it's definitely in kind of summer state. So yeah, trying to swim and bike as much as possible. And then take care of the other things I have to take care of. Thanks, Will and Cameron. I think I'm, as I said, enjoying going camping, same thing, just seeing all the people that I haven't seen in 16 months, just cramming it all in. And I, you know, I'll still, all outside, still camping, which is lovely. And I, we've been working our way through Tema Okun's like principles of white supremacy culture on staff. And I, you know, I think I probably shared it before because it's just like such a useful resource, but we've just been going, you know, really deeply intentionally through it as a staff and, you know, recognizing like all the different moving pieces for that. And so yeah, I'll share that in the chat as well. I'm curious, Gina, because I'm familiar with that work and have explored it with others. I'm curious how your staff is responding to it. Is it like, oh yeah, that makes sense. Or somewhere in between or, you know, I'm curious. Yeah, or doing more like personal reflection on tensions that we're hold, you know, feeling and holding in it. And then, you know, organizationally, how are we doing thing, you know, so we have a meeting today where we're talking about urgency and like urgency around like it's really important to get stuff done to like be moving forward on priorities and where is like, where are we like, you know, maybe leaning too far into like a false sense of urgency. And can we back off? Does that answer your question? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think I would just share like, I've encountered some white folks responding to that work as being like, well, I like to do a good job. I like to make sure my work is of high quality. Does that mean I'm not a white supremacist. So I found folks have been, it's hard to untangle like the systemic kind of ingrained cultural stuff from the like, that's just who I am as a person. So that was really interesting for me to observe in some larger groups where I've seen that work explored so. Yeah, seen that too and work and especially I think it happens when people have been entrenched in a place for a long time, a really long time, which I think we've just sort of generationally seen, it's just people holding on to jobs for a really long period of time. Once you're in a job for that long, you personalize that job, like you are the job. And so the job is you. And so it's really hard to separate what the job function entails. And like talking about how it fits into like a larger system versus you, like you, because you are that role. I, you know, I think we as the city face that challenge as well. Yeah, but thanks for bringing that up. Interesting. Michael Carolyn Pellin. Good morning. Lots of conferences last week and one of them was like the organization called conference board. And they were talking about this racial justice, social justice and how to build it in private companies like private sector. And it was very funny because at the end people are talking about it is related to budget. Right. If you have enough money, then you can be more inclusive organization. You can create policies, blah, blah, blah. And now Cameron said about the like public offices. So I just, you know, curious is the same for it because I don't believe it, but at the same time, I understand the rationale. But is it really related to money to be more inclusive and like creating like racial justice and social justice. I don't know, it seems a little bit kind of avoiding for me to make change. There should be a something maybe in the future we can come up like ideas. Do this, you don't need any money or, you know, anything to be like racially just or something that should be something right. We can do without having lots of budgets. Or like enormous money in our pockets to be. Recognize other people and be socially. You know, inclusive. I don't know. Yeah, so I just want to ask Cameron, was it same in your meetings or anything came up like that or people like, no, we can't do it. We don't need any specific budget or something are good intention would be enough. Well, you know, I hate for good intentions to get in the way of like actual progress too. So, you know, I think, I think we're lucky because creative discourse has been helping and we're paying for that. Right. I think that's the biggest rub for a lot of folks is they feel like I don't know how to lead us through this issue and I don't know what to do. So I need money to hire someone to tell me what to do. Right. And so much, you know, most of the things that we've seen coming out of this recommendation from creative discourse doesn't really cost that much, right. A lot of things are very easy. The last organization I worked in one of the first things they did was take names. And schools, the school names off of resumes as they sent them out, you know, to really get rid of any sort of bias there. That doesn't cost anything. Time, I mean, I guess if that's an argument, but I think there's so many little things like low hanging fruit that could immediately be done based on tons of best practice research, right. You don't need to pay someone to tell you what to do. You do need a champion though. You know, I think that's also an issue where a lot of people don't want to step up and be like the organizational champion. And I think that's hard because it takes a lot of like time and time and time is money. But I, you know, that hasn't come up really in our conversations because we recognized, but we're lucky because we have creative discourse helping us. But I think we've recognized a lot of those things don't need to read a lot of capital to get started at least. I hope that, I hope that was what you were looking for. I need to hear something. Yeah, we can do this. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So much money or saying that, oh, yeah, we need to money. And at the end, everything's kind of depends on money. I mean, sometimes it's really. Kind of bothering me, right? Okay. The solution. If you have money, we will do it. Sometimes it is not the reality. Yeah. As you said, there are things we can just do it. Easily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is a little, a little bit off topic, but cheap. And indicative. I worked for an organization that had maybe 50 people. And. There was discussion briefly. About changing the sign on the men's room door. To something like gender neutral. No way. What difference it made? The two women's bathroom look exactly the same. And they were single stallion. I just go in, but. It was amazing that something that simple. It was just a flat out. No, we can't do that. And, but it does go to, to just taking the name off a resume or anything else that the people are just. Trenched in their own history. Yeah, I learned another thing. I think it is pretty good. You know, I think that people are not afraid of change. They are afraid of. Losing the things they already have. And they say, if you kind of explain them and convince them, they are not losing anything, but they are gaining. You know, new things. Then there won't be any fear of change. So I have never thought like that. So I think that in order to explain people, you will not lose anything. Change is not bad. It will be good for you too. You know, something like that will be helpful for all of us, I think. Thanks. Should we review the meeting minutes? As our next step. Thank you so much, Cameron. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's so interesting to see Michael's difference. As they're different from Cameron. So. Have a fun. And they were the June. 23rd. Yes. Does everyone have them? Could you send them again? Post them again. I didn't, didn't see them. Yeah. I will link them. Hold on just a second. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. I got them. Technically. I got them Roberts rules as. Memorize this humanly possible. I think. Sorry guys. It takes a second. Is that the link to the minutes? Yes. Holy cow. So messy. I make a motion that we approve the minutes. Helen, do you want a second? Yeah, I sick them. All in favor. Awesome. Good job. Got our minutes. Thanks. Okay. And then report backs from city committees. So I think the big thing here is that, you know, as, as. Was in the minutes is that, um, the creative discourse presented to the police review committee. Um, last week. And we'll be presenting to the, you know, city council on July 21st. We'll be presenting to the police review committee. We'll be presenting their recommendations in like September. Right. Did I get that right Cameron? This was actually so yesterday. Yeah, I know. So we. So we've talked for, I swear to you, 10 minutes about scheduling after you got them off the. Okay. So there's a lot of stuff going on in the creative discourses. World. So they will be presenting y'all's findings. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. 18th. Um, at the, at the regular city council meeting. And then yes, the police review committee will be in September, August, September. Yeah. So. Not July 21st. You can have them couldn't make it. Right. Thank you. Um, but yeah, any, um, thank you, Cameron, any, yeah, any updates about from the police review committee. Um, I know they're being, they're going to review those applications later this month. And so. Um, I was feeling very excited about that and did apply. I didn't know if anyone else did. Um, yeah. Um, I can give you some information about what's going on with the police review. We are. Um, starting we're deep now deep into the making the recommendations. I think there are eight, eight, eight or so that have already been presented and acted upon either past or rejected or was drawn to one way or the other. Um, there are some more that are anticipated. Uh, All of the reports on, I think all the reports on the current situation of what Alyssa calls the state of the state. Uh, which means current practices really. Uh, those are all drafted, I believe. And, uh, Let's see. That's about, that's about it. The, the, the recommendations part is the, is the part that's important right now. And I can run down the list if you're interested, but, um, Yeah. Yeah. Uh, hold on. Let me go on. I'll call this, this document up and, um, and then, then you can, I'll, I can talk you through it. But you can come back to me if you want to. Well, I was then going to move us to the creative disperse survey results and city council presentation. Okay. So I'm not sure. Yeah. All right. Well, I'll just give you a few of the ones that I can remember. Sorry, Michael. We did one on, um, there's a recommendation to adopt, um, um, uh, body worn cameras that that was passed. There was a, uh, uh, recommendation to, um, concerning the militarization and, uh, Montia police departments involvement, non-involvement in the purchase of a military grade weapons. And what's going to happen. Go forward going forward. Uh, there was, there was one on recruitment. Uh, uh, they were, uh, raising the age minimum wage, minimum age and requirements now are age 18 and completion of high school or GED. Um, we, we voted to, um, make the minimum with age 21. Um, with, uh, some post secondary education and, and some demonstrated commitment to community service as, There was one on what is it called, situation-based learning in the training to move towards situation-based rather than just stand-up lecture, also broadening the curriculum for the training. There was one on training for crowd control, which is not currently being done by the Montpellier Police Department. It seems to be the natural thing for state capital. There was one on, there's one that's just coming up on training for dealing with young adults, pre-adolescent and adolescent behavior, so that police have a better idea of kind of this psychological, sociological context in which teenagers operate. There was, there's one, working off the top of my head, there was one to, there was a proposal to reconsider tasers that was rejected or actually just tabled and just withdrawn. There was one about, what's the other ones? Oh, there's still one that we haven't yet finished voting on about decriminalizing sex workers and I think that covers it, the feeling I'm needing something out that's crucial, but I can't remember what it is. Anyway, we're making progress on these. Work, that's so exciting. So the process is that there'll be a draft thing that will go to the public or it's back to the stakeholders, like should we as C. Jack review the draft too, or do you think more as like individuals can review the draft? I think it's probably a good idea and I'll pass that along to Alyssa. And there isn't like a date for the circulation, is that correct? I don't know what the date is now. Okay. From what Alyssa said, I think it's supposed to be like the week of the 15th of August. Okay. It's like that's their goal, but I think timelines are kind of shifting with the work that's happening. Sound right, Michael? Yeah. Well, I missed the last meeting, I think. Okay. I can't remember. But I don't know, so I don't know what the timeline is. I feel like, yeah, well, the police review committee has been around for a lot less time than C. Jack, and I feel like has come up with a lot more recommendations has done a lot. Let's be real. They did have like a very set thing to do and a timeline, which y'all did not have. So a lot of work. So I just want to keep hyping this group up because y'all have done a lot. Thanks, Cameron. It's coming to council, too. Y'all are doing all right. Great. Any other questions? Please review or go ahead. Sorry. I have one question. The recommendation on sex workers will vote on it at this meeting, which is later today. But as I've been reading it, it's really asking the city council to do more than it's talking about police because the one part that really does address police is to deep prioritize enforcement of whatever laws there are on the books for sex workers. But mostly it's asking the city council to legalize sex work and to go to the legislature and stuff like that. So I'm wondering if you think that this is something that should come to C. Jack, since it's really not, it's turning out not, as I read it anyway, and I may be overruled by the vote. As I read it, it's really not so much a police issue because the police already had deep prioritized dealing with sex workers. But does this committee want to take that on as something to examine and then make a recommendation to the city council? Because if that is the case, I can report that to the police committee saying, well, if there's nothing that the police can do that they're not already doing, maybe what we need to do is to sort of turn this over to this committee, C. Jack, to make it an issue to present to the city council. Maybe you don't want to talk about that right now. Well, no, I sent Cameron and you. I'm sorry. Oh, it's okay. I have some strong feelings that I think go quite against what the police review is recommending on that. I don't know that they're not recommending it yet. The vote comes this afternoon. Well, we do have an ordinance and it is illegal for us. I'm aware of that. We do have an ordinance about it though. Any ordinance is weird because it particularly says females. You can change that. That's an easy one. That's one of the low hanging fruit and that's why I was thinking, well, maybe really where this proposal belongs is with C. Jack, not with the police review board. That is a good point. I mean, or is this something that's just going to happen with the council? And so we could just perhaps fill out the equity. Is that kind of what you're proposing? It's going to be moving forward. So just like what, like looking at the basically pros and cons of the proposed policy around sex work. Right. I mean, it's complicated because there have to be distinctions between sex work and sex trafficking and various other kinds of things. And so I realized that there's no really broad brush way to get at this. But as I say, I think my own view is that this is really less an issue for the police department than it is for the city council about what they want that ordinance to look like. Because the police department just does what the ordinance says it should do. But they do have some discretion about, well, how aggressive are we going to be in hunting down people and so, you know, and enforcing it. And at this point, the chief is not interested in making that a high priority. So Lauren is the point person for both the public restroom committee and C. Jack, right. And I'm as a city counselor, the public restroom, public restroom and the for the police review committee. Sorry, they're in the same place in my own notes. And I must have just looked at them. It's okay. Yes. I wonder if we should just like ask her what would like or just I don't know if ask her permission. But I mean, I guess, Michael, do you feel excited about taking this up like under C. Jack and is there a timeline associated with this? Is that or is that going to because that's not even going to be a recommendation coming out of the police review committee. Well, you're talking about that today. Yeah, the vote takes place this afternoon. So if it passes, then it becomes a, you know, a police review committee issue. If it doesn't pass, then what happens to us? Does it get lost or does it go somewhere so that whatever small changes can be made can be brought to the city council's attention? I don't feel like I have any strong feelings. And so that's what I don't know. I mean, we can wait and see what happens. But I just thought I would report that to you as a possibility. Yeah, I guess I don't feel I have enough information about that issue, especially as it exists in Montpelier. And I'm also wondering, it seems like looking through last time's minutes we're at a bit of an inflection point in terms of, you know, what C. Jack does following the creative discourse work and figuring out a way to kind of revisit strategy and priorities. So I wouldn't want to just dismiss it out of hand because I don't know enough about it. But it seems like something we should look at within a spectrum of all the different kinds of issues that we want to be addressing as a committee. And I think Lauren's input would be really helpful. Oh, and I just remembered another recommendation, which is to rewrite or to eliminate the ordinance about drinking in public places. That turns out to be both very out of date and very difficult for the police to manage because of the because it intersects with state law, which requires, you know, police to deliver people to safe havens or to detox centers. And I think hours of police time, it often doesn't work. And the chief is eager to get rid of that ordinance. So. Cool. All right. So I think we're leaving just going back to the sex track of sex work on policy. You'll talk about it at the police review committee tonight and then bring it back to, you know, if it's not under the police review committee's jurisdiction, bring it back to C. Jack to see if we want to do more on that. Cool. But there's not overwhelming enthusiasm within C. Jack right now. Recognizing kind of where we're at. Great. All right. Should we move to the creative discourse survey results in the city council presentation review? And so I shared the updated drafts from creative discourses that have, you know, more contacts for the assessment in the slide deck, remove the public restroom committee, public restroom recommendation, because there's now a new committee on that, and clarified what was community feedback versus consultant feedback or recommendations. And, and just work to make the report and the slide deck a little bit more congruent. And so this presentation is now going to be delivered. Here we go. I'm just gonna, I'm so confused about all of the dates. August 18th. So we have full month. Thank you. But yeah, just like, do we want to prepare any presentation to go alongside my side with that or yeah, just any, what do we want to do as a committee? I mean, I think it would be useful for us to, to, to do, to, to, you know, provide some additional, you know, context and, you know, interests of the city and of C. Jack, kind of maybe to introduce them, but I'm not sure if that makes sense or if there's more to be done. Okay. I think us as a committee providing context around the creative discourse work feels like the right thing to do when it's presented to council. It seems like what we're, what we might be looking for from council after receiving these recommendations is guidance and or creating a process where we can understand with them what we want to be doing as a committee. What are the kind of top bar things we want to start to work on in collaboration with city council and interfacing with our community. So I don't know if that's a specific request to council about, okay, you've got these recommendations. We think you should do X, Y and Z in consultation with us or if it's, you know, laying out a process over however long to figure that out with them, you know, collaboratively. But it does seem like we need to use this as a launching point for the future work that we want to do as a committee. Cameron, what were you going to say? Sorry. I don't know, sorry. Zoom did something weird. I do, I think this sort of builds on what Jeremy just said because I'd really love for just to say something as staff and not like as your staff support, but tie into this presentation to sort of say we're taking this really seriously. A lot of these easier recommendations that we, you know, because they're all good ideas, you know, a lot of these ones can, sort of like what Pellin said, all the ones that are like low-cost, quick impact are things we can easily build into our work plans for the next year. So like while there is work to be done on building a larger sort of equity plan, which is what y'all's like next steps are with your next 10k, right, is we already are taking this seriously. I really want there to be, and I tried to take it to heart when Creative Discourse said people don't want to do all this work for the city and then it just sit on a shelf, right? So how do we intend to sort of like build this into what we do and already taking steps to build this into what we do? So maybe y'all could set it up or like this Creative Discourse could give their presentation. I could say here's what we already plan on doing and then y'all could maybe go into like what else do you, like what do you want to see next Council and how can we support you through this, you know, it's an idea. And I do really want to have a time to say we already see this. They're actionable steps that we can take. We're going to build them in somehow, right, to operationalize this work. Yeah, I like that. I like you're kind of hitting on the accountability piece with our community of taking their participation and input really seriously and maybe that's laying out more specifically even like we're going to check back in on these specific things in three months, six months, whatever it might be. But just being even as clear as we can be with how we're going to monitor our work on these issues. One of the things about sort of the work we've been doing over the last year and a half is that we have our public portal with our strategic plan initiatives. And those are things I can easily, like if we build these into work plans or if we have initiatives that say like here's these equity things I can quarterly provide updates built in with our strategic planning process. Something that we'd love to work on here and I'm working very closely with planning on is integrating all of the very many plans that float around the city, right? We have like so many plans y'all. And there's no real way like none of them are they're all working in parallel but we're tracking them all in different ways, right? So it's hard to interface it's hard for the community to understand it's hard for us to understand sometimes you know and and so just we're working very slowly but we're working on integrating all of those into like a one-stop shop and so that's how we'd like to present this data is like along with all this other work we're doing because it should just be part of our work, right? Honestly that's how I see it anyway. This is this should be like another facet of the work we do all the time. So sorry I'm on us I'm practicing my soapbox for staff so thanks. So then CJAX role is more saying like we want to support you doing this here's you know some ways that we could do that like but maybe doesn't need to be super you know prepped and polished where we you know go around circle on each day a word kind of thing but more I can just um you know maybe prep some major some bullet points and take it from there. Does that sound good or yeah because okay so then going into like other business I just I feel like I'm you know because I'm lots of excuses but of like I'm following up from the committee chair meeting of like there being these different groups like asking for these you know for these different pieces and like I don't think we necessarily like followed I did not uh follow through I'm checking back in with folks about like updating the website um on Polaro lives process the planning department connecting with the homelessness task force and like you know the there were kind of all this exciting like synergy and so I see that like that connects well with the with kind of what what you're just saying about like wanting to have like a portal with all of these different strategic plans of being like even just within within us and like there's all these different pieces where people are trying to be doing things together or want to be doing things together and yet um like creating those opportunities for collaboration um so what like I I had I had marked down those ones so that of wanting to follow up with Montpelier live planning and and then the history and website um were there other like next steps coming out of that committee chair meeting that we should be following through on and then stare at stuff to see if there's back at the note yeah and hold on for a minute we pull them up too well one thought that occurs to me is that um if if we want to do some follow up maybe we can offer to be a kind of um clearinghouse for whatever what's going on in all the in all the various committees so that if there is a plan for example a quarterly report on any progress if the chairs of those committees can communicate want to take the extra effort in time to communicate with with this committee about what's going on we can present a kind of consolidated report every so often on what's going on you know what's what's changing or what's going on in in equity and social justice with with committee work so that they don't you know if someone has to report it to us before we can report it to them so that's really a question about whether they anyone wants to take on an additional work but that's one way I could see following up the meeting that we had yeah almost like doing like a newsletter or something like put put in your submissions of what you've been working on and what you need to put in is that is that kind of what you're envisioning Michael yes something like that and so then I guess specifically those things looking back at at my notes here um oops but now of course too many tabs up and lost it here we go so um planning is looking at digging in on more of this in late July and August and asked for support um and then Montpelier alive is they have their kind of DEI committee I don't think they said what their timeline was but maybe do we want to like um just check in with those different folks David I think was David I'm Montpelier alive I'm not remembering his name Kirby at planning yeah and and then I've totally lost the person with the um looking at getting more history on the website but Michael you absolutely totally up your alley yeah well yeah I I presented a plan to Cameron I'm sorry she's oh great but um she's uh it it involves you know a small stipends to a to a few people and she's looking for you know places in the budget and it was not really high on her priority list so okay here she is so Cameron we're talking about the the updating the history section of the website um it will happen we just entered our new fiscal year so I have more money okay so I need to you and I need to to talk and I'll then contact the people that I had suggested okay yes that would be great I'd love to get quotes from them for that work okay definitely not yeah so we just had to wait until we ticked over and um right thank you Shana can you I'm blanking a bit on the Montpelier alive piece of that let's take your ways can you refresh my memory yeah I think it was so they hired a consultant last year as well who basically did an internal audit and said I think like you guys have a lot of work that you need to do good luck and so then they like made a DEI like committee but I I think we're like looking for more assistance for like implementation probably like what Cameron was just talking about the company that you went to wow that's very loud sorry the railroad comes through the middle of the house active recently right is that just me no it's not just you and the passenger trains will be starting on the 19th and we're being vol untold in a fun way to throw a party for it so there's a party come to the party there'll be creamies and a train and dollar tickets but yeah there's a lot more trains they're coming back I think they're carrying granite in the few times that I've seen them they're they're moving granite slabs um when are the passenger trains coming when's that party july 19th that party is on the 19th in the morning Michael already knows he's going clearly I'm actually going to be away but I wish I was because I'm taking Amtrak to Chicago but yeah they're coming back on the 19th it's actually going to be fun I'm I'm kidding we have a band in everything we could play some old-timey train music there's a creamy truck at nine o'clock in the morning if you really want that you got me I'm going to be there get your sugar high first first thing in the morning here we go it's gonna get I got my goal is before the 19th is to find a conductor hat to wear to the stupid thing because if I've got to be jovial at nine o'clock in the morning I'm gonna be overly jovial I'm ready to see you in a conductor hat it's gonna be great um sorry Jeremy did I did you hear my did you hear that and circle him back yeah I guess I can reach back out to Kirby and um David for Montpelier alive and for planning I guess maybe that's just like I just dropped as well and um does anyone else want to be in on either of those conversations or should I just email them out when they get scheduled and if anyone else wants to join or can join the well great cool okay so I feel like we're a little bit in this waiting game again where the next time so in a little over a month on the 18th is when we're going to um be doing the presentation to city council well you know the the will be the presentation to city council do we want to not have a bi-weekly meeting leading up to that again um do you want to meet before that or you know what like what what else do we have on our agenda for next steps and what makes sense for us meeting I would argue that your next step is I don't I think argue is the right word there the proposed the next step would be to sort of come up with talking points for your own presentation your own part of that presentation because it is a bit away doesn't certainly have to be a rush but I think that would be sort of your next step and I'm just looking at the calendar here sorry what do we just want to meet the morning of Wednesday August 18th to to finalize like is that cutting it too close I think that that's probably okay um the I assume that what we've said here gives you enough to go on and we don't have to we don't have to meet to review it except just I guess to get prepped for that that would be okay with me and I'm kind of assuming there'll be some shifts and updates by the you know in a month as well and over a month six weeks okay so we could also we could um do some asynchronous work on suggestions for bullet points to pass around prior to that Wednesday meeting right yeah no we'll just be careful about doing work over email so maybe we would send suggestions to Shayna and then we could look at that all together the morning of the 18th yes that's great okay okay great so um each everyone do some work on talking points and suggestions to me we'll look at them um on the morning of the 18th I will send out I'll reach out to yeah I'm I'm here live and planning and share when they're meeting and what they're looking for more specifically if other folks are looking to to join that um and depending on you know so and it looks in the goal of the draft the police review be around August 18th August draft will be circulated the week of August 15th so we can also if that's out have some time to look that over as a committee on on the August 18th meeting as well and then Michael will you just let us know about the sex work staff you can just do an FYI via email yes to the whole committee or to just to you what's the camera what's the so like sharing information is fine but discussing it is not so maybe we could say hey this was decided by uh the police review committee add it to our next agenda and then we'll be that's golden okay it's the same camera and you just uh you know flexed your I I know Robert's rule Google Docs policy for the city I don't know what if there's a timeline on that or we already sent that out to committee so um I will resend it then um it makes me very worried um didn't get it so uh both basically we ask that either you make it public to a point where it's like constantly linked in your material it's not um if you're using it as a document repository but you can only use it as a document repository so if you have it if you like you have a document on there we can't go editing it outside of these meetings right which issue because it's basically doing work over email is sort of how the law sees it now right so like if you had a Google Doc and we could all go in and edit it that's basically doing work outside of public meetings so um it can only be used for non-editable document repository you have to link it in your minutes and your agendas and that's really how it's used so it's it becomes vaguely unhelpful outside of just this document place but until the law's catch up with technology that's sort of where we're at thanks yeah that's what makes Google Docs so great but also so great you know easy to use document storage too cool thank you and then I think I interrupted you a long time ago about you were gonna say something totally different I don't remember now so great no I'm sorry no what important thank you all