 I must say that, you know, Emmanuel Mumba, we have come a long way. A long way, I know Emmanuel Mumba from a long time, we have come a long way. And when I heard that his property has been restricted, I really laughed. I was shocked, I was really shocked because that property, Emmanuel Mumba has been on that property for a long time. For a long time, he was fierce, the little man that was getting there as fierce, it was going there. Afterwards, when he was dropped as fierce, I remember sitting with him in my office and the only story that was talking about is finishing that property. Whenever I came to the office sitting in the chair, I can remember, I can still re echo his voice in my head. He was talking about that property, finishing that property. Whatever little money he got, he was throwing it to that property. The people that are around Emmanuel Mumba might think that Emmanuel Mumba is stingy. But no, Emmanuel Mumba is not stingy, that's for sure. But for a number of years he has been preoccupied in building that property. So, I don't understand how the SEC or Kachina Nibadeku ever it is, I don't understand how you would go and pounce on that property. A property that I know. A property that I know how much this man has been struggling with his wife. With the wife. At one point they were all spending days there with these Indaka boys when they were building. Emmanuel Mumba was spending time there, sitting there with the wife. With these leperas, not that he gave her heavy kiwa nani wa nani. No, it's just ordinary people mixing in Dhaka and whatever beauty. That is how that property has been brought up. So, I'm really really shocked that the Anti-Corruption Commission would come into that. And this is my problem when you talk about this fight against corruption. Because you don't talk about the corruption that somebody has done. If you tell me that Emmanuel Mumba was involved in this and that and that, maybe I can understand. But to go and pounce on a property and then try to find faults on him, I think it is unfair. I think it is unfair. And I speak strongly about this because I have been with him. I know how he has been struggling. Of course, I'm being honest to the fact that we haven't been that close. So, I don't even know the property, which one they got. But really, again, if you are seizing a property from him, I think you should be able to point at the criminality. What did Harry Calabar do when he was a minister? Which you suspect would have built that property? You can't go to a property and say, now we have gotten the property. Tell us where the money came from. This is not fighting corruption. And this is what I've been talking about all along because some people thought that this government means well in terms of fighting corruption. Some people thought that and they thought no, for us we are spared. But unfortunately, you don't have to have committed any criminality. As long as you criticize President Harka in the each name, two things are bound to happen. Those who criticize President Harka in the each name to the effect that he feels the weight, he feels the blows of democracy. Two things will happen. It's either you're going to be arrested like they have been doing with me. There is nothing that I've done, I'm not a criminal. I am arrested because of my talking. That's why I'm arrested. Nothing else. Gokuma Court, you won't find anything other than Chirifatari said this. Chirifatari said this when I'm just expressing my opinion, when I'm just exercising my freedom and speaking for people. Speaking for people. That's all I do. But it is on those that I'm arrested. And it is not because I've done something wrong. It is because I've criticized President Harka in the each name. It is because I've criticized his governance. It is because I have called a spade such as President Harka in the each name is a dictator. Like when I say President Harka in the each name is not fighting corruption. He's vindictive. He's a bitter man. And these are real. These are real. People who are committing crimes in this country, they are not being followed. They are not being followed. But those who are critical of President Harka in the each name, those, they are in trouble. It's either you are arrested or if you are not arrested, either deck and corruption commission or whatever joint, the illegal joint investigating team. That is an illegal whatever. It's either they follow you. It's either your bank account is seized. Your property is seized. These are the things that are happening to President Harka in the each name. This is the democracy that President Harka in the each name was talking about when he was in parliament to say he's practicing good governance. No, but Harka in the each name. You are not practicing good governance. You are the worst in terms of good governance. You have persecuted so many people in the short time that you have been in power. You have unleashed the investigative wins on a number of people. You have punished people like me whereby you even took me to Lukulu. I mean, it's like I'm a police seozi, I'm a zombie. It's like it's a syllabus. You have taken me far and near just to punish me for telling you the truth. It is not about anything. It is about me telling you the truth. And for that you have punished me. For that you have punished me. And really, yes, I've paid the price. But I can tell you that I'm not going to relent. I'm not going to relent. I'll keep talking. You can do whatever you want. Even death I am ready for it. I'll keep talking. I'll keep telling you the truth. And it is because of speaking that Emmanuel Muammar today has his property restricted. It is because of talking that Harry Carver's property has been restricted. It's nothing else. It's nothing else but because they have been offering checks and balances. And their checks and balances are very valid. What Emmanuel Muammar and Harry Carver are asking about that Clayson at state house. Those are real questions which are supposed to be answered. And I'm wondering why the cabinet is still quiet. Because I think Dr. Patrick Kangwer should be able to respond about these situations. He's a custodian of government system. But Patrick Kangwer is a custodian of government systems. And what is happening? How is this Clayson, when was this position created? The position that Clayson Hamasaka is sitting on. When was it created? Emmanuel Muammar and Harry Carver, they have got a right to ask about those shoppers. And the hiring of planes. They have got a right. Why are you going after them? That is cowardice. In my opinion, what kind of government that is cowardice. Instead of facing the reality, instead of facing these people. Engaging them on the questions that they are asking. You decide to intimidate them. But that is cowardice. And why do I call it cowardice? I call it cowardice because instead of bringing politics. Instead of confronting these people politically. You go and hire the state machinery on them. You go and offload the state machinery on them. That is cowardice. Wealth is short. He faces his opponent with what he has as a man. Not you go and hire the kapokola. You go and hire the anti-corruption commission. That is cowardice. Even what you do to me is cowardice. It's cowardice. It's cowardice. It's cowardice what you do to me to send me police officers. To arrest me to take me is cowardice. Because if you are really a man. You take me on. You said that you have said this. Now, here are the facts. This is what it is other than what you are saying. Not to bring the police officers to intimidate me. To bring police officers to punish me. That is cowardice. Face people and confront them on whatever it is. Not what you are doing. Not what you have done to Harika Rava. Not what you have done to Emmanuel Momba. Not what you have done to a number of people. Not what you are doing. It is not right. And you see, you are doing this. There is corruption in your own government. There is corruption in this government. Big time. Even at state house there, there is corruption. People are saying, no, Anton Walia, he was bribed. And that's why he was fired. But we know that some people at state house are collecting money to set up appointments just like the old stories that we used to hear. People are getting paid. People are flying around. Flying around at state house. Ministers are engaged in different things and so on and so forth. But you are not touching them. You are not touching them. However, there are certain people that you are targeting. This is a fact. Whether you like it or not, from my point of view, this is a fact. President Hakan De Hilema seems to be prone to punish people coming from the north and east. Because if you look around, the people that are facing some of these cases mostly are coming from the northern part and eastern side. I don't know somebody who is facing some of these charges coming from southern province. I don't know. I don't know. But people coming from this region, this side, President Hakan De Hilema, is very quick to act. And yes, he said it himself at the airport. He said the hegemonies, the hegemonies who have been stealing money since independence. From my point of view, I think President Hakan De Hilema just look at us coming from the northern part and eastern part as hegemonies, criminals that don't deserve anything from this country. But a lot of Hakan De Hilema, you've got it wrong. This country belongs to all of us. So you can't come, become president and start dividing us and start seeing others as less zambians. You can't. It is not right. And we won't keep quiet in fear of being accused. No, we are going to be labeled as tri-police. No, I'm here, I'm not a tri-police. I'm talking about what is happening. You have filled up all important positions of this country with people coming from one region. And you are very quick to act on people like Abena Muamba, Abena Khari Kalawa. You are people to act on people like those people in Ruwapura. You are very quick. In Ruwapura, you have filed those diseases and the deputy permanent secretary. You have been very quick to file them. But we have brought out cases, we have brought out cases before you. And we have asked you to take action on people like Silvia Masehu and this foreign affairs minister. As well as some people in state house. Jito has issues. Jito has issues. Jito, you know what I'm talking about. Jito, you know what I'm talking about. Jito, you know what I'm talking about. Your friends in state house are talking. Don't think you are clever. Don't think you are smart. People are watching what you are doing. People are watching what you are doing. And I'm told some of the things that you have done, Jito. They are before the president. But the president has not acted. But he was very quick to act on Anton Waid. Why is he not acting on Jito? There is a Karuma. I want to insist. There is a Karuma that I voted. I don't have the facts. But there is a room. Jito got 50,000 dollars from some people to set up an appointment. And it is being discussed in the state house corridors. And Jito don't pretend that you are hearing this for the first time. I'm sure Jito you have heard about this 50,000 kwacha. Which is alleged that you got from some people. This I'm telling you. It's not coming. It's not coming. It's not coming. It's not coming. It's coming from your friends in the state house. Who feel that you are going over the bar. You are going beyond the limit. You are becoming a monster in the state house. You are becoming a monster in the state house. And people are not happy. And some of them they have actually told me that the president knows about some of these things. But why hasn't the president acted? Why was he quick to act on Antoni Wadia? Why was he quick? Going further, this issue of Ruopula that you are talking about, you have actually implicated, you have been very quick to implicate the vice president. I have been researching on the Ruopula issue of the Swigilite. I have been investigating, I have been trying to find out where is the name of Mutalenalumango coming in. I haven't seen it. But within the UPND circles and government you are busy trying to bring in the vice president. I don't know unless otherwise somebody tells me but from what I have been sniffing the name of the vice president has not come in. But why are you trying to implicate the vice president? From my point of view it is by the fact that she is coming from a region where you think that all of us we are criminals. But my Wanarumango she has got her own issues. I am telling she has got her own issues and I have expressed myself here. But I think it is very unfair to be dragging her in some of these cases just because you don't want her. We know that you don't want Wanarumango but you have to remember that it is constitutional she is there on a constitutional basis because she is a running mate and you are with her until 2026. In 2026 if you want that's when you can bring another person to be the running mate to a kind age here to which you are not going to do anything because in 2026 you are not going anywhere. So just relax and enjoy the ride. Wanarumango is not going anywhere and I am not defending her. She is not my friend, she is not my relative but I just don't like it when you start implicating dragging her name simply because you don't like her simply because you want to find a way of getting rid of her, maligning her. If she has done something, tell me you call me in secret and tell me your friends are calling me in secret and they are giving me information so if Wanarumango is involved tell me about it I will come here and disown her but so far according to what I have discovered Wanarumango she is not drawn into this but you are dragging her into it why? because of her tribe that is my conclusion because I am seeing criminals coming from this side they are not being touched but this side people were from this side even when they have not done something you want to drag them in it is very unfair