 Boom, what's up fam? Anthony Johnson here today, founder of 21 Studios, 21 convention, 22 convention, 21 University, CEO of the Redman Group, president of the Manusphere. Here's a special episode of 21 Live with the internet's most savage and most based grandma, the one and only, the beautiful, the lovely and the feminine, Lori Alexander. She's actually a published author as well. She's author of Biblical Womanhood, a study guidebook at a Scotty of the Day. And also the author of The Power of a Transform Wife. I'll be know her from her blog, TheTransformWife as well, thetransformwife.com, link in the description. We'll get into a lot in a minute, but I've been following her work for a couple of years and really amazing woman doing a lot of good work for young women today. Speaking the truth, things I need to hear that feminists do not want them to hear, that feminists can steal from them. Anyway, without further ado, please let me welcome to the show for the first time ever Mrs. Lori Alexander. Welcome to the show. Savage Grandma, huh? Oh yeah, by far. I was telling my friends the other day they were like, I showed them your video we put out that's going viral on our channel and they're asking me like, who is this woman? I'm like, she's the internet's most base grandma, most savage grandma. I think you are. I think that's why the media hates you so much because you're very feminine and sweet, but you're aggressively pushing truth that is supposed to be concealed from young women today. And I love seeing it. Anyway, I'm really excited to have you on the show. Like I said, I've been following your work for a couple of years now. It inspired my original Makeleman Great Again campaign in part. As you probably saw the picture that went famous, I used your meme. We can actually pull it up real quick. I have it right here. And it's men prefer debt free virgins without tattoos. And I just fell in love with the work when I saw that because I was like, this woman is so on point and so on target. And it was a foundation for what I want to do Makeleman Great Again, which is like one of my life submissions at this point, when I'm probably most well known for around the world. So I really appreciate your time and all the work that you do. Our channel loves you too. We put out a video that the day, you know, your little video blog that women are no longer marriage material. Can you actually talk to me about that video, the content women are no longer marriage material? For the fans that don't know you and stuff? Can I talk about the content of that video? Yeah, exactly. Ideas in general that why are women not marriage material today? I agree with you fully, but a lot of people find it very antagonizing, let's say. Because, you know, as you know, I'm Christian, and I believe God is our creator. And he created male and female work. He created us differently. And he created us for different roles. We're not equal in value and worth, but we're not equal in talents. I was holding my little four months old grandbaby the other day. And we have she has three older brothers. And I was holding my son, you know, this little baby is going to grow up bigger, stronger and faster than you someday, you know, because there's a difference. Children, children whose mothers don't want to submit to their husbands, the children know that dad's in charge. He has a lower voice, more powerful voice, he's bigger, strong. So even though women don't want to admit that the children know the children know. So anyway, God's roles for us are to be feminine, to marry bare children, guide the home, be homemakers. And our feminism has completely taken that away. They have changed women completely from being what God's role is for them. And that's why we see such a skyrocketing skyrocketing of depression and suicide in women because they're so far from what their creator has designed for them to be. And women are in past generations up until technology, women were forced to be home. I remember watching the show many, I don't know how many years ago, but it was a two couples, an old couple and a younger couple, they were put back into that 100 years ago, where there's no technology. And the young woman, I remember her sitting in the kitchen in the kind of make, you know, kitchen about 100 years ago, just saying she was so frustrated because she's full on feminist, but she just can't do what the men were doing. They were plowing the fields and doing all the labor. So she was, you know, she had to do all the chores in the kitchen and cooking and all that kind of stuff. And modern technology is allowed women to not depend on men. And it's funny because men are the ones who built everything that we live in and use. And they created it all. But don't mention that to them. They'll bring up the two women who created something, you know, but men still build it. You tweeted the other day, you tweeted that women should not, women can only be preachers at all because men created a microphone. Is that the tweet? Yeah, that's 100% right. I mean, men have built almost everything in the world. Yeah, yeah, the woman have a special role. Like, you know, I think a lot about the founding fathers. I think they were a great example of masculinity, probably the best in history for America and beyond, right? But they also had mothers that love them and care for them when they were young. They're all most of them were homeschooled. Yeah. Kids were cared for their their mothers back then. And President Adams, the second president of the United States, said that after his study of all these civilizations that have fallen, they fail when women left modesty and their domestic, you know, their domestic realm. So even he could see that when women leave, what God's created them to do. Nations fall, we just see that and saying goes after men, you know, if he can destroy men, he can destroy nations. And he did that by taking women out of the home, empowering them feminists, I don't need a man, I can do it. I don't want babies. Because even when I was in college, college was $3,600 for everything. I didn't want to go to college where my dad wanted me to. I went to college, I not there's eight of us, eight of my friends. And we all were just in college, because we wanted to find a husband. We all just wanted to be married and have kids. We were not interested in a career at all. That was very common back then too, right? You went to college to find a husband. Yeah, that's all I want to do is to find my husband. We all did. I only have a couple of us graduate from college, most of them left after a year or two. It was I didn't like really anything about college, except for my friends. It was just brainwashing of our culture to take women so far. And then women own tooth. There's this one woman on Instagram, cheering that women were given credit application just in 1985 or something. I forget exactly the date. Someone tagged me to it. Transform wife, what do you think about this? And I said, it's terrible idea. Three, three, no, two thirds of the some $800 billion debt is owed by women. Yep. Our culture was so much better when we were living within our means and what we could afford. This debt and women just being will spend way beyond what they need or want. It's just it's really, it's really sad. Like you mentioned, you know, how things are different back when you're let me actually let me ask you this how things are different, right? You're like, say in your 60s, right? 62. 62. I'm 32. So my experience of America is my youngest daughter is your age. Oh, yeah, she's having she just had her fourth baby. Oh, never mind. Both my daughters are very happily married. Nice. Good. Excellent. Excellent. Keep them away from keep them out of trouble. Exactly. Yeah. I wanted to ask you to like you so my experience of America at earliest is the 1990s. And even that to me is so different from what we see now, but you saw America in the 80s and the 70s long before me. What was what were American women like back in your youth? Like you mentioned a little bit here with college, but can you expand beyond that was homemaking and motherhood a little bit more prioritized? Was it more normal back then? No, when I went to a big D1 high school, and guys were everyone was sleeping around with each other. All my friends in my Christian friends were sleeping together, taking drugs, alcohol. There wasn't that homosexuality and the transgenderism back then. And you know what? I would go to my friends' houses and they'd be empty because their moms would be at work. Everyone loved being at my mom's house because she always had a lot of food. She was warm and friendly. Everyone wanted to be at our house. So no, even back that was back in the 70s because it was after the 60s. Once the 60s hit, women really left the home, the sexual revolution, everything. So it was, I was never raised in a time where my dad never wanted my mom to work. She was always home with us. She was always available for us, no matter what I always knew she was. All three of us have been talking my sister's night about how secure we, we always felt loved and secure because of that. My dad came home every night. He took us to church every week, you know, he was there on the weekends. And so we had that, but a lot of my friends did it. And I was thinking about my high school friends. And I think all of them have been divorced. My college friends, on the other hand, there's any of them, it was a Christian school. They were all raised in Christian homes, raised by mothers, full-time mothers who cooked, clean, where the dads were the providers. They're all married still to this day, 40 years. Yeah. So they still, but now my kids were telling me that one of my, one of my daughters was telling me that in her Christian high school, a lot of the kids in her, she's 32, she's, are still not married. And so every generation is getting worse and worse, farther and farther away. Well, that dad, I know so many young women who have babies and they love their babies deeply, but they can't stay home with them because of the debt they acquired in college. Well, that's assuming they even have a father around. Like a lot of girls I went to high school with, a lot of them, I mean, I went to a big school too, about 2,000 students, Fort Myers High School down in Florida. And this is a big school, but you know, even the best girls you thought would do well in life, you know, they had good father or good parents, I knew them a little bit sometimes, right? Whatever is however successful they were in school, smart, intelligent, straight A is whatever. A lot of them are overweight now and single mothers are divorced. I mean, then the number of single mothers in my generations, it's insane. My kids have a lot of friends who are already divorced in their 30s. Yeah, I know. I know what it is. I think it's because there's not enough older women like me. Yeah, God commands older women to teach the younger women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be keepers at home. I I was at a huge church mentoring. I was in a mentoring program. And whenever there was a really difficult marriage situation, they always call me because I was the only one that all the other older women were mentoring them in God's word, but not in biblical womanhood. I don't really hardly know personally any old. I know one woman who's a god of women speaks to mentors women, but she doesn't her focus isn't biblical womanhood. Even the churches, like I thought one big church near me told me I couldn't teach women wives to submit to their husbands that their husbands were the leader of the family. The other church I couldn't teach women, they should be keepers at home because of well, then the the women, the women. Yeah, what were the reasons they gave you when they said they forbid this? What did they say exactly? They said submission causes abuse. And the woman would go I know truckloads of women who were abused because of submission. And I know it's not submission that causes abuse. Does your boss abuse you because you submit to them? Yeah, parents automatically abuse their children because they submit to them. No, it's wicked, evil, abusive husbands that abuse their wives. You know, submission actually is God's formula to win your husband by being godly, submissive, pleasing him, caring for him. Yeah, and men should be men should be leaders who are dominant, not domineering and abusive, which is completely different, but dominant, like a healthy, masculine dominance. Yeah, I mean, try to be crazy sometimes, because I have that. I have a strong personality and I love to be dominating sometimes. So it's kind of drives you crazy, but that's God's creative order and it's good. And I think it's fine for women. You very to me, you seem very feminine, but also assertive, which is a good balance to strike. And I think it's a good it's a healthy way to live. You could still be very feminine. That's what our channel thing likes about you. There it's so abnormal in America to see a feminine woman of any age compared to past generations or even places like Poland. I went to Poland in 2019 and there are feminine women everywhere. It was shocking. It was shocking. I don't know why it's a great it's an extremely Catholic country. It's like 86 percent Catholic. And they also had a long history of communism. They hate communism and they see feminism obviously as an extension of communism and they really, really, really hate communism. The Soviets control them till the night till the collapse in the early 90s. So basically they hate feminism. They saw my hat there when I wore it, make women great again and they would ask me, are you a feminist? Like, accuse me. And I'm like, no, no, not even a little bit. The opposite. Yeah, they really have a distaste for I mean, the countries has been through like unbelievable hell. The Nazis occupy them, destroy their country and commit a genocide basically against them. And then the Soviets to go over for over 50 years and they just they're so rightfully so combative of anything that's communist or Marxist or feminist that it keeps the gender relations healthy. Like women, they act like women and they expect men and act like men. So the men act like men and the women act like women. And it's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. It's like 1950s America with iPhones. Like it's a made it was so inspiring. It gave me hope because in America, there's like no feminine women. They might be physically beautiful, but you know, that's it. Yeah, when you take away femininity, I mean, yeah, femininity and turn women into men. Yeah, it feminizes men and it's easy for countries to take over. That's right. Yeah, evil, evil people, dictators, evil ideologies like, you know, these Marxists and T fells crap. Well, there's a verse in the Bible and Isaiah talking about when children are their oppressors and women rule over them, they cause them to go the wrong way. They cause them to error and they lead them down the wrong path. And that's why this is so controversial. But I'm a controversial in every single thing I teach, but I'm against women voting. Of course I vote because I support conservative, you know, the conservative women need to vote now since women were given the right to vote. Sure. But when the vote took place, women didn't even want to vote. They wanted to just focus on their home and homemaking and raising their children. They didn't want to deal with politics and everything. But women overwhelmingly, do you know that not one Republican president, I mean, not one Democrat president would be elected if women didn't vote because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat. They want the right to murder their baby. They want the government to take care. They don't need men, but they want the government to be able to take care of them. And the government is funded by taxpayers who are mostly men. Right. Right. And because they want to be able to live without a man and have the government take over them because men have long term vision. They can see and women have short just their needs and their wants. They they face their lives upon their emotions and their feelings. And men don't. They're more into logic and reason. And that's why God God just created. We God gave us our personalities to be home with our children to raise our children. Now I'm with my grandmothers all the time, cuddling and playing with them. Yep. But men to go out and slay the jaguars, like Dr. Laura always said. Yep. Like the dragon, I want to slay his feminism. I really want to destroy it and abolish it. And I think I can do that within 30 years. That's the plan anyway. Well, I'm helping you. Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're on the same page. Yeah. I think I think I think that, you know, it's twenty twenty one. You're going to live hopefully another 30, 40 years of beyond 30. So hopefully I'll live to 100 or something with seven years. But regardless of the time, I don't think this century has another eight years left on it. And in my view, either feminism is going to die or America will die. And I love America. So I want feminism to end like it has to end. And I think if it doesn't, it will kill America by killing masculinity, by killing femininity, and therefore killing the family. That to me is is. That's your goal. That's a goal. Yeah. And it's about feminists and their goals from the very beginning. And that's their goal is to destroy the family and men. Yep. And I think the way they do that is actually by destroying. They attack the family directly, obviously in some ways, but I think really they're trying to undermine the pillars of the family, which is masculinity and femininity. Man and woman coming together and literally creating a family, the nuclear family. Never mind extended family and all that. So I use my companies and our events to basically combat that and fight against that, help men directly and now women too with make women great again, which is just so. I just love that so much. Like I never thought I'd be in love with something like a hat so much and an idea, but it's just so much. But it's endlessly funny because it just enrages all of them so easily and so fast. You know, and it's funny because a lot of women did not vote for President Trump. Yeah. And I think it's because he was masculine, very masculine. He wasn't a pushover at all. He didn't, you know, and my neighbor, I remember telling me that she was so thankful when she doesn't have to listen to him anymore. She says everything's going to be good now. And I said, no, it's not. It's going to be horrible now. Now we've got women running the country. I think by far, Donald Trump was the most masculine president we've had, at least since Reagan. He's the best in my lifetime. I was alive during Reagan's in the 80s. Yeah. But he didn't have to fight the left and the wickedness like President Trump did daily on a daily basis. He has to fight it. And our country wasn't as wicked in the 80s as it is now. Yeah. So I Trump was we needed a fighter. We need to someone who wasn't a politician and beholding to anybody. That's right. And he's yeah. And he's so positive. He just I am so sad. What's going on in our country? I know. And I love I like that he's in Florida, though. At least he's in my home state now, where he belongs. And you have the best governor ever. I know, I know. I love Ron DeSantis. He almost met him. I got to I kind of almost met him a couple of weeks ago in Orlando. He always just traveling around. But I love him too. He's amazing. I knew he would do good when I voted for him. I didn't know he would do anywhere near this good, though. Yeah, like, yeah, far surpass my expectations. And all of us in Florida love it. Yeah, he's very Florida. He's a Florida man like me. I grew up here. I was born here. I was raised here. I'm like third generation. And he's very much the savage, intense Florida man that we need. So it's like voting for Trump. We didn't know what kind of a person he would be. He was a I didn't even know he was a conservative at all. We just we voted for him because of course we didn't want Hillary. Yeah. And he exceeded all of our expectations. Yeah. Yeah, I was very happy with him too. Yeah. At least a minimum is because he I think opened the door to so much possibility in the future. Now he made it. Now he makes Ron DeSantis look like like a moderate by comparison, which which Ron DeSantis is not. He's very based and very savage and aggressive for pursuing what he believes is right. But you know, even like I like Rand Paul a lot too. The son of Ron Paul, the senator from Kentucky. Oh, yeah, he's great. Yeah, yeah. But they all look like completely like, you know, even keeled by comparison to Trump, who's like, ah, I like I mean, I personally love Trump the way I mean, too. Yeah, that's the best thing about him. Yeah. I like that kind. I just like bold blood. You know, yeah, yeah, it's very masculine. You know, what's interesting too is he's he's, I think, the only president in recent history. Now, Piers Morgan grilled him in 2018 on interview. He's trying to he's trying to basically tell Trump, you're a feminist. And Trump's like, no, I'm not a feminist. And so Piers Morgan's like, well, so you're saying you're not a feminist at all. And Trump's like, no, I'm not a feminist. Now, I think he really is an anti-feminist like us, but even he can't push that far. But that kind of stuff. But saying he was a sitting U.S. president and said, I'm not a feminist. And I was like, yes, yes. And I love in the future. Yeah, I loved his wife. She was so feminine. Yeah. We had no clue what her views were because she wasn't like Laura Bush and his dad's wife, what was her name? Barbara, they were both pro-choice. You knew that they bought their husbands in some areas. And with her, she was like completely supportive. They didn't want to take the spotlight like the other ways. Yeah. Just just a feminine, amazing role model to women. And beautiful, too. Yeah. Gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous. I think she was easily the best. You know, what's interesting is you don't really see and I'm glad you brought that up. You don't really see any feminine, popular role models for women today. You see nothing but the opposite. Cardi B and all these trash, right? But you had this amazing first lady who was, I think, completely underappreciated because she was so feminine and kicked ass at her job on top of that, everything she needed to do, including support her husband through the most difficult fight, you know, political fight in recent American history by far. She dressed feminine. She just everything about her was feminine. And she was home to raise her son. She wasn't out doing this and that. Who's like, what, six, seven now? Can you believe that? Yeah. I mean, I'm like I'm 32 and I'm a little bit crude. She's kind of hot. I mean, to have a hot first lady is like, what, like, how is that even possible? But also feminine and submissive and all these things. Yeah. Yeah. She's very rare. Yeah. I want to take a few steps back, though. So we were talking earlier about how women maybe were different when you were younger, not too much like you're saying because of second wave feminism, maybe birth control abortion. A lot of the fundamentals are in place by the time you were young. But what about American men in the 70s and 80s? How are they different compared to what you see now? Hmm. Were they more masculine, maybe? Were they? I mean, today we have soy boys. We have SJWs. We didn't have any of that. Like in my high school and college, no, they were all masculine. The men were masculine. They're ratting. I didn't know if anyone was gay in my big high school. I didn't know because they all acted masculine. And in my college, they all were very masculine. So I heard that stepping on a high school campus these days is a pastor's wife told me that. It's the most oppressive place she's ever been. It's the most popular people are the gays and the transgenders. The most popular people in my high school were the football players. You know, the basketball players, the masculine guys. So it's just so sad, so different. Men were masculine, but I think when women leave their roles, I think that's when they left their homes, want to become like men, be sexually promiscuous. Don't want to be homemakers. And I think that was the starting point of the destruction of America because that pulls down men. Women can manipulate men. My husband talks to men all the time. He mentors men every day who are in difficult marriages. I've mentored women for years. I've had much more success than him because women have so much more influence in marriage and making it good. And winning husbands, men are a lot more simple. Most of them more easy to please, more easy to understand. Men are always constantly trying to chase their wise emotions and feelings. And that's just a vicious cycle that can never be until they're taught to stop it. Yeah, I went through a really difficult marriage a few years ago as I told you through email. It's on YouTube as well. That was just a disaster in like a thousand different ways. But there were some elements of this too. I've always been kind of like, not a split personality. I've always been very intense and very like alpha masculine in some ways, but in other ways I was not. A lot of feminist ideas I had growing up and stuff that I didn't realize were feminist. That's the thing I think a lot of even young girls today you see some more young women that are anti-feminist. And to some extent they are, but it's really just like the hyper radical stuff you see now that's obviously ridiculous. But they still believe a lot of second wave feminism and they don't even realize that it's feminism. I want to get, I'm 21. I want to have a career and do all this and that in my 20s. It's like, you can technically do that. It's a free country, but that's a really bad idea. Like your eggs or your peak fertility is 22 years old. Motherhood is way more important. Your baby is going to be forever. Marriage is more important. You can build a career at any time in your life as a woman when you're 40, 50, 60. Like, you know, when you're young, you need to get, I say get wife, don't get knocked up. And it's a very crude way to say it, but it really triggers all the people, the nasty feminists and stuff. He talked a little bit about that, how women today are, I mean, it's really amazing. They just have, they're oblivious that they live in a feminist, they're like fish and water. They swim in feminism all day long and they just have no idea that it's completely, it's completely new in human history as for our whole civilization for women to like be 18, 19, 20 years old and completely ignore motherhood and like building a family. It's just not even, like you've talked about this. I didn't even care to have babies. It's not even a thought to them now. I mean, do you see that it's got to end now? There's a lot of older women now who've written articles regretting their decisions and they feel like they've been lied to. Because even sadly the churches aren't combating the lives of feminism. We go to a church now that's a very solid biblical church the passages about women submitting is coming up soon and we talked to our pastor about it and he's right on, he's not gonna water it down. He's gonna teach it the way it is. But most churches, they cater to the women for some reason. They'll speak hard against the men. Love your wives is Christ of the church but they won't speak to the women. So all women have heard from the time they were young is feminism. That's all they've ever heard. What do you wanna be when you grow up? And the thing is, you even said getting a career in the 30s and 40s, I'm in the 62 and I haven't had a career since 36, 36 years. And careers is just a really fancy name for jobs. God created men to be the providers of the families. And feminism convinced women that their worth and their value is in having a job away from their home, home was bondage, raising children was bondage, having sex with your husband was bondage and rape. You know, all these, they twisted everything that God says is good to make it seem ugly. And these women have bought the lies and they're finding out too late. Although a lot of women who have read my stuff, I received messages all the time. I was one of your trolls. I kept following you and I'm following you. Now I'm living out what you taught, teach and I'm happier than can be. And if people wonder, why do I have so many trolls? Why do they keep coming back? Why do they have, and I just say, you know what? What they intend for evil, God uses for good. So just letting the truth never comes back boy. They need to hear this stuff. They've never heard it their whole life. They've never heard it. I think the reason that they keep following you and not following you is they know that you're right. They can feel it on their bones but they want to be a mother. Like I hear girls sometimes say this stuff that they don't want to have babies and this and that. And while they could be authentic about it, I think usually they're just confused and they've been brainwashed basically. They do, the reason they're even saying it out loud, why would they even say that I don't want babies? Because they're thinking about it because that's what they want. Whether it's nature or God or whatever, it's built into them to be mothers and to be submissive. It makes them happy. And in the meantime, they don't do that and they're miserable and depressed and they're drinking out like they're alcoholics and like drug addicts. It's amazing how far the American woman has fallen. Men are not far behind. I think men have been emasculated like all that. But I do think women are further along. Do you agree with that? But they're more damaged? Oh yeah. And I think that you said that women have a natural inclination to want to be married and have children. I'm not sure that's true anymore because they've been so hardened. They've heard deceit and lies and talked our lives. Their lies are all about them and what they can get in life. It's all about a paycheck. Their worth is in a paycheck. That's what our culture tells them. They need to make money so they can have stuff, they can travel. Having babies is sacrificial. It's you're sick. Most of us are sick when we're pregnant. Do we have to go through labor which is not fun at all? And then we have to go through sleepless nights and nursing and all that comes with that. Do we have to go through the stage of disciplining them and training them? But once you get past three or four or five, once they're trained, they obey you. They're so much fun. There's everything. Someone was trying to convince me on Instagram how hard homework making and having a child is. They said, being hard isn't bad. Marriage is hard. Being married, I've been married over 40 years now. Being married to the same man for over 40 years isn't easy but I can tell you it's a lot easier this last 20 years since I've learned to not argue and fight and be contentious and quarreling. We have a wonderful time together, by far the majority of time. And if women go into marriage knowing that their marriage shouldn't be hard. He's the love of your life. Yeah, yeah, we've had babies together. We've watched him grow up. We've invested our lives into these children and now we're investing our lives into our grandchildren. And my children and my grandchildren all love coming to our home because we're united. There's peace here. It's a comforting, secure place to be. And women don't understand the sacrifices that you make having, bearing children, being sick, whatever, child brothering, are so worth it. It's only, your fertility window is not that long. So I always say you'll never bet how many children you have. Whereas men can have them a lot longer. Women's fertility, by the time they're in their late 30s, a lot of women can't get pregnant then. It's dangerous, too. The children can have birth defects and stuff at that age. It's called advanced maternity age past 35. It's a little bit different. Well, see, I don't quite agree with that, I think. Because my grandmother had her seventh at 47. He was her biggest, strongest baby. Wow, 47. Yeah, 47 at home. Her seventh at home. And he grew up to be six foot three. Well, I'm just citing conventional medicine. I'm not saying I even agree with that. It's harder to get pregnant when you get older. Your age is older. So there is more potential for problems. But I still encourage women, you know, as long as God's letting you have babies, have them. You'll never regret it. Because once you hit 40, 35, 40, you won't have others be able to have more children. You'll just really enjoy. Wasn't this what God demands? Be fruitful, multiply, right? Yeah, yeah. And we enjoyed, we didn't have terrible twos. We didn't have rebellious teenagers. Cause we raised them right. We were very intentional about how we raised them. We made sure they obeyed us from the time they were little. We made sure we loved them deeply. So they respected us in our, even in high school, my boys played varsity basketball and baseball. And we didn't let, they still had to be in, I think it was 10. And they never argued or fought us on it. Cause they knew it was for our good, for their good. And for their protection. Well, you love them. So I think that's why they trusted you. Yeah, that's why I obeyed God. Cause I know he loves me. And all of his commands were for my good. My kids knew we love them. So there's something I wanna disagree with you on a little bit in terminology anyway. My philosophy that I follow, my religion is called Objectivism, created by Enrend. And she argues a lot about sacrificial things. So when you say that having children is sacrificial, following your logic, it makes sense. But to me, it's not a sacrifice. It's a price you pay for something greater. Like you said, it's all worth it in the end. I agree with you a thousand percent. It's very, I think it's crazy not to have children. Like it's a really weird thing that people are brainwashed this way. You're living breathing human being. Like someone, your parents obviously took the time to make you and create you, hopefully raise you as well. That's the gift of life. And to not pay this favor is like beyond stupid. Only people that are brainwashed could really think this way, in my view, loosely speaking. But anyway, it's all worth it. Like these are, I'm sure it's childbirth raising kids and all that. I have no doubt. I came from a big family, I get it. That it's gonna be very intense. You could die giving childbirth. This is serious, right? But it's all worth it in the end. You love your children, then they have grandchildren. You have, it just keeps going and going and going. So to me, it's like you pay a price but the outcome is substantially greater than that, it's happiness. I mean, you seem like a happy feminine woman who's not a miserable old cat lady. And a lot of your peers are divorced, old cat ladies drink themselves to death of wine and anti-anxiety medications and all kinds of crap. They have a barren womb, no kids, no husband, no life partner, no grandchildren, no nothing. They just have a career working for someone that doesn't even care about them. It's insane. It's totally insane. And they'll submit to their boss, but having forbid they submit to their husband. But what you're saying is, I agree, it's long-term, short-term paying for long-term gain. That's what children in a long-term marriage is. It's priceless. It's absolutely the best thing in life. And hard isn't bad. I think I might phrase that bad, but I say that a lot. It doesn't mean that it's bad, it's good. God's ways are perfect. I say that a lot. There's a saying, I think the saying is like, everything good in life is hard. It takes hard work or hard thinking or hard decision-making to make something great. Whether it's building a business or building a family or building a relationship, it takes tough decisions. I've been an entrepreneur for 15 years and it's a very complex career that I've built for myself that's taken a lot of hard work and determination and perseverance for 15 years. I mean, it's a decade and a half. It's my entire adult life, but I love it. And that's why I can keep doing it because I'm so dedicated to it and so intense with it. And it's hard. And that's, I think as a man anyway, at least that's why I love it. It's a challenge for me to keep becoming better and better and better. Not only as an entrepreneur, quote unquote, but as a man and as a mature into manhood beyond adolescence and stuff when I started it. I started my business when I was 17. I was right at high school actually. So it was about picking up- Did your parents teach you a strong work ethic? I would say my dad demonstrated it. Yeah, he was an entrepreneur as well. And he worked, he worked his butt off like constant, like nonstop, probably too much I would think and that was not good. But at least I had that example and that was I would say a masculine example even if imperfect. And so through that, my mom was a stay at home mom too. So I had that experience as well. That's great, you were blessed. Yeah. And the older you get, the more you see that my daughter went away. She was a professional ballerina for a while and was a Christian ballet company. But everyone went around and gave their testimonies and I remember her calling me up and saying, I never knew how blessed I was to be in a family with a mom and a dad and a mom, because all the brokenness from all the girl's stories was just tragic to hear. So yeah, it sounds like you were very blessed in the home life that you had. In some ways, yes, in some ways, no. I mean, it was far from perfect home. But they gave me, I have three siblings. So I have two sisters and a brother. My parents are still married and my dad was the provider. My mom is a stay at home mom. So I'm thankful for that because I understand how important that is, that example they set in that specific sense. Right. And I always knew from that, growing up in a big family, I liked it. That's what I was used to. But I also knew even with the negative elements that happened, that getting too deep into it, that the structure was good. The structure was sound. Mother, a father, a lot of children and stuff like that, that was fundamentally positive. And even in the worst times, I knew that this was a good thing to do and to go into the world amounts and then do. That's my plan, of course. I have as many kids as I can. I told Michael Foster I'm gonna beat him. He has seven, particularly at eight. One died, unfortunately. Is his wife still young? I think she's his age, like 41, 42. Oh, okay. Oh, it's gonna be like my grandma. I think my grandma had one at 43, 47, or six and seven. But Michael Foster told me recently that they're done having kids. I don't know why, to be honest. But they have a lot. I mean, God bless seven kids. Seven's great. Seven's great. Yeah, but I told him I'm gonna beat him. So I'm gonna have more. We have to be competitive. You have to marry a young woman who still has a lot of age. Oh yeah, for sure. Easy, 20, 21, 22, 100%. Yeah. That's what I'm gonna, as the older I get, the more experience I've gained in life, just in general, right? Everyone does, but especially as a man. And I think marrying young, you're not so set in your ways. And to go back to what you were talking about, working hard like you do and sacrificing everything. We live in a very entitled generation. Yep. And like my grandpa's stay in age, men did not want handouts at all. They wanted, even if they were starving, it was hard for them to take handouts. Now, everyone's, like in the pandemic, we know like doctors who make a ton of money who got $250,000 from the government. Yeah. You know, just handouts. And instead of saying, no, I don't need it. You know, everyone just takes out handouts and has no problem with it. And they're not, a lot of kids being raised, they are not being taught to work hard at all. They sit around on their phones all day. The phone hole, iPhone things, tragic to me to see these teenagers walking, groups all stuck on their iPhones instead of talking to each other. Whereas my son- I think you can see that in me. Agreed. Well, we raised our kids to be in activities that kept them very busy. I remember when pastor saying, you wanna keep your sons sexually pure and to have good lives, just build their trucks up with a ton of activity. So my sons were always playing sports and busy with school. They didn't have time to just sit around and play video games all day long and waste their lives away. Like so many, I mean, some of my 36-year-old sons, friends are still living at home. Maybe, you know- Wow. Hardly doing anything. Yeah. I wanted to get out of my own as soon as I left at 17 and never turned back. And I started my business like literally a month and a half later and I've been independent ever since, traveled the world 26 countries, building the business, bringing my convention to Australia, Poland, Sweden, England, Texas, around Florida too. And I love it. But I grew up in Florida, so it's a very outdoors kind of state. It's my favorite place in the world. And I've traveled- Where'd you grow up in Florida, did you say? South-West Florida, near the Everglades, Fort Myers- Because my husband was in Miami for junior high and high school years. Yeah, yeah. My grandparents are from Miami. My dad was born there. It's hot during the summer. Yeah, the whole state's pretty hot. I grew up on the, I grew up on the Southwest coast. So it's like Miami, but directly across the state on the West side. Right, Miami is very hot. Oh yeah. That's very swarming. Whereas today in San Diego, I think it's like 70 degrees and gorgeous. Well, like your sons though, I grew up, I had always had a boat growing up, like an actual motorboat. So even from as young as 10 years old, and this is legal in Florida too. You can get like a boat or a driver's license for a kid. You can just drive around on your boat fishing and doing tubing, all kinds of stuff. And that kept me- That's so good for kids to be outside and playing and jumping and running. I don't even think boys should be in school until they're eight years old. I don't even think they should be ever, ever sitting in a chair all day long because they're not created to sit in chairs all day long. In fact, my littlest one, he was falling asleep at dinnertime. And so I went to school every single day and picked him up in kindergarten. And then I decided to homeschool my boys in junior high because I saw it was going in the junior high I didn't want that for my sons to be excited. They loved it. And know what I did with my boys in junior high? I got really good literature, missionary autobiography is just good. Historical fiction they love. So they would read two hours a day and then they would do Saxon math. It's a really hard math. And that was it. For three hours a day, they homeschooled reading a ton and math. And if you teach your children to read really good and be really good at math, everything is easy for them. So then I homeschooled them about five, six years ago. They loved it. They would finish their work. Their cousins would come or they'd go surfing. They'd play ball together. They were outside. They'd come out and get food whenever they wanted it. It's perfect for them. And then we sent them to the local Christian high school that is very difficult academically. And I was very nervous because I didn't test them. I had to just so lay back in my homeschooling. I was sick too, so they did great. It was simple, simple for them. Because if they're really good, it's funny because most kids in the schools are not learning to be good readers. They're giving, you remember this, books you read in high school in junior high? They were so boring. I give them books that they love to read so they offer my kids love to read. So if they learn to be really good readers, good at math. Sky's the limit for them. Yeah. Yeah, I loved, as you can see in my bookshop, I have like, I have even more books around my house. I've always loved reading. You read them? Oh yeah, I've even read all of them. But I've read probably 60 or 70% of them. And I'm always rereading books too, like over and over again if I find it useful the first time. I always know that I don't get everything out of it. Even beyond that, I actually wanna understand not only the content of a book, I try to get inside the head of the author. With your books, I wanna understand not only what you've written, I wanna try to understand like where that information came from, where those ideas came from, how did you create them? And what kind of attitude and perseverance in life did it take to get to the point where you wrote this book? So to me, it's about the author as well as the content. Cause that to me is how you get to the source of the information, the source of the knowledge. Like where did it come from? And why, what motivated them, what drove them? And then that also helps me too, create new ideas off the ideas that the author presents. I wanna kind of extrapolate out and make new ideas, like make women great again, or make women great again. Well, unfortunately, I had to have go through a lot of hard knocks to learn. That's why I'm teaching young women so they don't have to. Yeah. And I was very difficult marriage first 20 years. And we always were fighting and our kids were about to leave my husband was, he was telling me he'd never leave me, but we were just gonna be roommates, you know. Yeah. Very depressing. I've heard of Christians. Some Christians will do this, right? They refuse to get married or divorced because it's a sin, but the relationship's basically dead, right? Yeah, yeah. And women initiate up to 80% of the divorces today. It's so tragic. And that's why so many men don't wanna get married because they could, the women could decide they just don't love their husbands anymore. Then they will take half of what their husband owns and he has to pay them. And it's just such a raw deal for them with the no fault divorce. It was just really sad. I think the fall of the American family could maybe be pinned. There's a lot of things to it, abortion, birth control, feminist culture in general, but really it's no fault divorce that unfortunately Reagan who regretted it rightfully so started. I think it's done more harm legally too, there's a lot of reasons why. It gives women an incredible power to get a court involved and destroy somebody and they either privacy, their financial documents, take over their entire future. Even in Florida, I think California too. In Florida we have lifetime alimony for women. These strong independent women can get life money forever for the next 50, 60, 70 years if they got married young, right? From a man if they don't get married again, which cuts it off. That's just insane. Even if it's their fault. I mean, I can understand that if the husband goes off and has an affair and leads their destitute, I can understand when he would have to do that then and she's called to build up his career and supported him. But when she decides to leave him, yeah, it's just in the chat room, a woman was asking her parents are older. She's in her 30s probably, maybe late 20s, but they want to get divorced. Her mom wants to leave him. She's not happy. And she's asking the other women what's it like to have divorced parents as adults? And it's awful, all the stories about, they'll never be in the same room. The weddings are very uncomfortable. Birthday parties, Christmas is holidays. It's just, whereas like at our house, we're all together. There's nothing crossword. Beyond that, you know, we'll just run vacation all together, not a crossword, we all engage. Well, Lori, that's because you have internalized misogyny and internalized patriarchy. You're just, you're so happy that you're brainwashed. I know, brainwashed by Jesus Christ. And that's great. We actually had a question from a comment there. Let me see if I can find it. There's people watching this live. Here we go. So Hadrian's Wall said, how do you respond to the critics who say she has internalized misogyny? Can you address this? Cause obviously a lot of the feminists accuse you of this. Internalized misogyny, say to them and study that. What does that mean? I hate men. No, it means you hate women. They think you hate women. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. That would miss Andrew is the hatred of men. And that's so funny because I would put up with, what I put up with, I didn't love women. I'm teaching them what's for their best, what's good for them, what they will be thankful for. I receive, I know a lot of people see a lot of hateful comments and things directed at me, but I, every single day I receive comments, emails, private messages thanking me for what their marriage is good. They're having babies. They're full-time though. I'm going coming home in a week. I can't wait because of you. I always felt something, another woman. I felt so guilty at home. Now I know that it's right where I'm supposed to be and I love it. It's, it's, I love women. Feminists hate women. Feminism hates women. They wanted women not to be in the home. They wanted them to be in the career to take, to take over men, to not have a relationship. I just want to, I just want to yell right now, a woman, a woman, sister, a woman. Yeah. So yeah, they just, I love women. God loves women. Feminism hates women. Everything that they've been taught is contrary to womanhood and how they've been built completely. And it's destructive and destroying women. We can see it all around us. The destruction of family, the destruction of children. And it's the children who are being, when I teach on Keepers at home, I get so brutalized by the comments. It's like, oh, you just hate women in New York. It's like, what about the children? What about what's best for the children? Why can't be home? That's just to, what about the children? The children need and want you home full time. In our, we live in Sodom and Gomorrah right now. And these children, we live in Sodom and Gomorrah right now. That's a, that's, that's out of the Bible, right? I don't know. And that, those cities were destroyed due to homosexuality, fornication. All the guys, some angels came in to get lot, the one righteous man in the whole city and all the lot pulled them into the house. Cause all the men in the cities wanted to rape them. It's a really ugly story. So God burned down those cities with fire and brimstone completely demolished them. So we live in the Sodom and Gomorrah right now. And mothers need to be home to protect their children. So I teach what's the best, what's best for women and for children and for men and for nations. Cause you have a strong family. You can have a strong nation. That's right. The Mormons have a statue in Utah, I think. And it says a secure family is the nation's strength. I think it's the exact quote. And they're hundred, that's a huge statue. You're a hundred percent right, without it you're doomed. That's why I think, that's why I think America, feminism is not abolished from culture, from politics, all of it, A to Z, right? The military schools, workplace, home, every bit of it, America will die cause they're going to kill the family. Without a family, you don't have a country. You just, it's just going to fall apart into a million pieces. It's going to, Rome will fall basically. I don't, I don't want to say that. And even Amy Komey Barrett, everyone asked me, how do you think are you excited, a pro-life woman, you know, on the Supreme court? No, I don't think a man will ever get to be on the Supreme court again because the way they treat the men who are auditioning for the Supreme court. And she has seven little kids. Everyone was bragging, oh, the first Supreme court, justice who has children at home. It's like, what about the children? They're not going to get to see them. And I love that Laura Trump, when she came out, she was going to announce, we all thought that she was going to be run for the Senate. And she said that she, she gives 100% whatever she does. And right now she's raising her two little babies. I just started clapping. My husband said while in the room, I started clapping, you know, and I tweeted it out. And then she, someone retweeted it, one of the congressmen, and she tweeted it. She's going, good for you, Laura, yay. She's right where she's supposed to be. She cares about her kids more. She has women to understand that we have more influence in the home and raising our children to be good people, to be good citizens, to be hard workers, than anyone, any woman in the political arena. Yep, that comes to mind because you were talking earlier about women in careers and careers is a fancy name for a job. And then you're kind of like submissive or a slave almost to a boss, right? But I think what the feminists have successfully done, unfortunately, in the process of this, is they've delegitimized completely motherhood and wifehood as like a job. It's more than a job, obviously. It's much deeper than that, but it's important work that takes a lot of time and effort and takes skill. Like you try to teach these women, sewing, cooking, cleaning, taking care of your husband, keeping a good home. These things are really important. And they just throw all that out the window and it's just, it's disturbing and disgusting, but it's so sad too. This is like, this is an important job that they don't even treat. They've just completely made it, I don't know, they just throw it in the dirt, you know? And it's the most important thing you could possibly do I teach women, it's a ministry. You're ministering to your children and to your husband and to anyone who comes into your home. It's a beautiful thing. It's exactly where God wants them to be. And it makes strong families, strong nations. And there's nothing, you know, even when I, because they all say, well, it gets monotonous. Well, even I was a school teacher and it was so monotonous. It was so hard, you know? But when you're cleaning your toilets, thank the Lord that you have a toilet. When you have to go to the outhouse, when you're washing dishes, praise the Lord that you have a family to feed and food to eat. And everything, everything, it's all about attitude. If women, women need to be taught to love being keepers at home, to being homemakers. There's not better stuff out there, the whatever out there, you know? Cause you're either gonna, we're all serving someone. You're either gonna serve your boss, you're gonna serve your family. I would much prefer serving my family. And what I'm serving my husband and my children, they're eternal beings. Everything that you get in the workforce of paycheck, it's all, and you're replaceable. Anybody, a nurse, teacher, anybody, as soon as you quit, you're replaced. Well, the money, like you're saying, the money's temporary, it's all dust. It's all, and it could be taken. Our nation, our financial situation right now is horrible, it could crash in a moment. But if you have your family, you still have your family. You can go buy land and maybe have a farm, you know? A lot of my friends are doing that. Michael Foster is one of them. Elliot Hals is another. These are men with large families, four children, seven children. Elliot Hals has moved near me in Florida. He was on the West Coast near Tampa. Now he's in Orlando near me in central Florida. He bought a huge 42 acre ranch basically for him and his family. And now that's part of his dream he's had for a while, right? This is important to him for traditional reasons, I guess you'd call them. He's also worried about economic collapse, which we, you know, riots and all kinds of stuff. And he's right. Eventually it all falls apart. And what are you gonna do then? You better have a ranch. He has a lake with like bass in it. He has farm animals now. Fun for the kids. Yeah, totally. My husband's looking for land. He's looking in Tennessee. We have one of my nieces moved to Florida in her husband and he's, he has had a huge lot in Florida. And so my husband will help, probably help him best in that. Or his wife wants to be in Tennessee. I'd rather be in Tennessee too, just because it's prettier and always hot. But, you know, whatever. Yeah, and so then you have, we have all my sons and sons-in-laws and my grandkids and we have plenty of help, you know. And then my mom when she died, she invested in her children. She was always there for her grandchildren. She loved her grandchildren. When she was on her deathbed, everyone was around her bed, loving her singing hymns, waiting on her hand and foot. And all these women who are single, working, they're not investing their lives into their children. In my old age, I have my grandkids a lot. In fact, I'm pretty exhausted watching my grandkids, but there's something else I would rather do. And they love to cuddle with me. They love to come to my house, you know. And stay over. And it's, I don't want a career. Even in my old age, I love being able to mentor women the way I do. I mentor women all day long. Well, that kind of, that is your work. I mean, you're not only a mother and a grandmother and you're kicking ass at it to put it crudely. You're also doing important work on the internet that's reaching millions of people, women and men. Well, it's funny because when I started, I started 10 years ago and my husband said, try to get, just try to get a hundred likes on Facebook. And I laughed at him. I said, who's gonna read what I write, you know? I'm just like a nobody. And God says he uses the weak things of the world to shame the white and the strong. And I'm very weak, you know. I have a brain tumor, I have a lot of health issues. But so I just started writing what was on my heart when I thought, and then I had three things go viral. And people, the first time I got attacked by trolls, ramped against it. All these things are horrible comments. And now it's part of life. I can pull up an article real quick, actually. This is the media going after you. The same things they did to me with my make women great again. So Christian blogger, Lori Alexander, 60 sparks outrage saying women are more likely to be beaten and abused by their husbands if they're quarrelsome instead of submissive. It's all fake news. How big was that? When was that published? It's not probably 2019, October. Oh, yeah, I don't see everything that's published about me. Daily Mail has published a lot of things about me. Yeah, same, they've done half a dozen on me. It's all the same stuff. I don't think they're just standard news. Well, no, it's funny. You probably feel the same way I take from my Christian, but what they intend for evil, God uses for good. Cause I know I have, I see different Facebook sites, blogs, YouTube dedicated to trying to destroy me, my ministry, you know, and I just think, you know, what they're doing, what God, they're, you know, they think they're doing evil against me. God's gonna use for good. So I, you know, it's the same with me. The more they attack you, the more they spread awareness. They're thriving. They're driving people to you to get woken up to better ideas. They're getting. Like my debt-free virgin post. I love it. Well, that was sitting in my, in my blog for a little while before I published it. And I was on vacation in Wisconsin. I was like, we can't even get Wi-Fi out there. So I was like, oh, I'll publish it. And it just took off like immediately, immediately, and the Christian authors were writing posts about it, women in the chat room were saying, look at this article that it hasn't even been an hour. And she wrote about it. And it has nothing to do with the article. They, even Christians smeared me. Like this was a horrible thing to teach young women. And they say, I shame women all the time. And which is so ridiculous. As believers in Jesus Christ, which these women claim to be, it's not shaming. They should feel conviction. Like, oh yeah, if you aren't a virgin, oh, I wish I was a virgin until marriage. That is, that would have been wonderful. Oh, I wish I didn't get these tattoos. They're graying and looking ugly on it now. And I don't like them. I wish I had had all this debt that's keeping me on. I hate tattoos on women. I've always had tattoos on women. It's gross. It's a masculine thing. We know, I wrote that before I knew exactly the facts. I just, I use common sense a lot in my writing. To me, it was like, of course, men are gonna prefer a woman who hasn't slept around with a ton of men because men would, when they marry a woman, they wanna know that that baby's gonna be their baby. You know? And of course, men don't want a woman with a ton of debt. Who would want that? And of course, when tattoos are ugly, they get so gray and ugly with age. So, but then afterwards, I saw polls or anything and I was right on all of it. Nothing was, it's like, yeah, where's common sense gone out the window? Yeah, we had a comment here, by the way. He donated $20. Thank you. He said, greetings, Mr. Johnson. Hope all is well. I recently discovered you through various other channels. I value and appreciate all that you do for men everywhere. Please inform Mrs. Alexander that she's the last of a dying breed. Laugh that loud. Yeah. Well, no, I'm not. I have a lot of little disciples. I'm learning from me. I'm Instagram and women writing. Like I said, every day, I can't even, I remember years ago, I say, I never wanna get too big where I can't respond to everyone. But I can't respond to everyone anymore. I have hundreds of Facebook messages. I have hundreds of Instagram. The best thing I try to keep on is my Gmail, my transfer money. But I can't keep up with them, but they all, they love what I'm teaching and they're teaching it. So, I'm hoping I'm not the last of a dying breed. I hope that I'm getting a lot of women's attention. And I know I am because they let me know every day. And I don't think so many would be read. And it's funny, because I don't defend myself on my Facebook page as much as I used to. Sometimes I do when I have the time or the energy, but I have so many people who defend me now that I almost don't even need to defend myself now. It's wonderful, because a lot of men, a lot of women are so mad that men are on my Facebook page. Yeah, this is for women, I think. I said, the trolls have scared all the women away. They don't scare the men away. The men can stand up to these trolls, women and the Nazis and everything. So, I'm so thankful for them in it. And I said, every single man that comes to my Facebook page of life, they know that I'm teaching women. I'm not telling them how to live their lives at all. Because I'm forbidden from doing that. And I don't want to do that. It doesn't help women for me to tell them how their husbands are supposed to treat them. They just have to focus on themselves and their behavior and how they're treating and loving their husbands and their children. I agree with that a thousand percent. And I've seen that. When a woman acts more feminine, it inspires a man to be a leader and to be more masculine. And that's why the hen pecking and the nagging, it's the opposite of that. It creates a downward spiral. But if you do the opposite, it's not a guaranteed outcome, I think, but it's much more likely that he's gonna be more alpha and more masculine and more of a leader and more dominant. Because that's natural. You fall into that role. That's what a woman wants anyway. And it creates that. Well, we're gonna ask me, how do I get my husband to lead? It's like, well, you don't have to, it's not your job. Well, for one thing, yeah, quit nagging him and manipulate him. Start loving him and being kind and serving him and pleasing him any way you can. And then like with the simple things I say, start off with. He wants to go to you. Well, where do you want to go out? He'll ask the woman, because he's used to her probably controlling. Well, where do you want to go out and go where he wants to go? Just all the simple things. That's how we're submission starts. Whereas you were kind of taught in the church as you submit and the big things only. No, start on the little things. Start, what do you want for dinner for tonight? Where do you want to go on a walk today? Whatever, just start submitting all the little things and your husband will become the leader. Yeah. Yeah, it's a role that we naturally fall into. It's like you're talking about conflict and it's combat on the internet that men are, they drive into your Facebook page, right? That doesn't surprise me. Men are much more prone to conflict if they're healthy and masculine. Like you're not, hopefully they're not hyper aggressive with it. But when I see conflict, if I need to fight, whether it's in my business or in life, like I'm going to go for it, right? Cause I'm a man, that's what men do. Women are not, they should not be anyway prone to conflict like that. It's not feminine at all. I know, it's ugly when they're fighting for their rights and fighting. So yeah, it's hard. Even with me commenting on my blog, I'll get to people telling me, you're so gentle and kind in the way you respond to your, others will say the opposite. But I never, I never call people names. I don't attack them. I try to go after their message and speak truth, that you have to learn how to be able to engage with people without being cruel. And that's, I learned. I'm a man, I have a little bit different philosophy. I like to be like Trump and be combative, but that's also to trigger them and to hopefully get them thinking. Like they might unfollow me, but then follow me again like you, that kind of stuff. And I like to model what Trump does in terms of being like an attack dog and going after them. These like feminists though, especially the nasty ones who are bullies, like these are women. Oh, you wanna act like a man? I'm gonna treat you like a man. I'm gonna call your names, make fun of you in ways that are creative and clever and legitimately over their head, but they know it. So I just like, I just make all these kinds of things up to insult themselves. Well, I think I'm very blunt and strong. But I think that's very unfeminine for a woman to do. What Trump and you do, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the fighting ring to be in the boxing ring, that's just feminine for women to do. Completely agree, completely agree. Yeah. Yeah, so there can be, but being bold though, like you're saying or being blunt, that's fine. I think it's assertive is what it is. It's not aggressive. Men take it, I think men have to both be assertive, which is being like firm and aggressive, which is like pursuing and combat. Well, we need aggressive men to take this country back. Yeah, that's right. You know, the women are gonna do it. We need the men to do that. And I know there's... That's what I realized with feminism too, is like women are never gonna curtail this. It's obviously way overboard. Women are not, there's not enough good women to do something about it. Obviously, I need to do something about it. Men need to do something about it. Fathers need to do something about it. Grandfathers like, let's go, you know? Well, that's why we like Trump, because he was a fighter. He was fighting the last of the weekend. And there's a lot of men that are. I follow so many, like Michael Foster and some great... Oh yeah, oh yeah. I follow Eric Kahn and some great men who are strong and bold and Joseph Spurgeon on Facebook, really strong and courageous and speak the truth. Rusty Thomas, I shared one of his blog posts the other day, so, so good about... That's something that Michael Foster and I spoke about on my podcast, The Red Med Group, about a month ago, maybe a little more. We talked about the example that Jesus said, like in terms of masculinity and the way he conducted himself behavior. And Christians today are taught it's like very soft, like hippie Jesus, right? And no, he brought the sword of truth or whatever and was absolutely blunt, right? And was, you know, irritated a lot of people to the point they got him killed. So... Are you watching The Chosen? I heard of it, I don't know. Oh, it's a big show showing the life of Christ as an adult, his ministry right now. He is the best Jesus I've ever seen. I don't really don't like to watch those shows, but the way they filmed it, the storylines are so, so powerful. But he's very masculine. He'll take on the Sadducees and the Pharisees or religious leaders, but then he's so gentle and kind to Mary Magdalene the prostitute, you know? And his disciples when they mess up, you know, he just, he's, he was definitely masculine Jesus was and his disciples. But that's not what kids are taught today. I grew up like Catholic, like I told you and that's not in any way, shape or form the depiction of Jesus Christ that was given to me in CCD class, even in church and stuff. It just was, it was very, very bland, very boring and very like, there was no character to it. Nothing like what Michael Foster talks about, nothing at all. And that's... It's all about love. They forget the justice of God. Yeah. You know, they forget that side. I mean, women can go to hell for pre-medal sex, right? It's a sin. If you're not forgiven for it, you go to hell for it, right? Well, you go to hell for any sin, but that's why we all need to say it here because we all sin, you know. But if they repent from any woman who completely promissuous had abortions, she repents and believes in Jesus Christ and begins to walk in his ways, she's saved, free time. The thing I, the issue I take with, like you're a hardcore Christian, I call it and I love it. Michael Foster is a hardcore Christian. That's, that's a Christian. Because you like our values. You like biblical values. Oh, I love them. Yeah, they're fantastic. Yeah. And the fire and brimstone and the justice like that. And the love too, that's fine. But there has to be much more to it now. Like you're saying, they oversimplify it to the love. And he wasn't a pacifist. I mean, God, if you read the Old Testament, you know, I told you about Simon and Gomorrah, what you did to them. Wars, he had his people go in and slaughter whole nations because they were so wicked, you know. So he, he's pro-gun. He wanted his disciples to go out with a knife, a sword, you know, to defend themselves. Like one popular Christian pastor doesn't believe that we should have guns or defend ourselves. It's like, oh, so you're just gonna let someone come in and rape your wives and still your kids? That's so ridiculous. No, my husband would do anything to defend me. He's a masculine man though, thankfully. Yeah, and not only that, he would protect your children and grandchildren. And I'm sure- Absolutely, he would do anything. That's why he wants to buy land for them mostly. Because they're a lot younger. He wants to have a place for them to go if need be. Yeah, and we may. We'll see what happens in the coming years. It's, yeah, it's so wild. Like I'm thinking 30 years out trying to destroy feminism, but I'm also like, I don't even know if the country's gonna hold together for another five or 10 years at this point. I don't know, the money could collapse, the economy could collapse, you know, wars, biological wars, obviously like we saw last year maybe. And then women are gonna quickly find out they need men. When this economy crashes and they're unsafe, they're gonna need men. They're gonna wake up to all the lives of feminism. And all their careers that they worked and spent all their money on are worthless because the economy's crashed. Yep. It's all gonna be worthless. The issue too is a lot of men are waking up to how women have changed, how feminism has destroyed various elements of culture in America especially, but beyond Canada. It's very similar in Canada and Australian stuff. And I don't know what men are gonna do because men are so, that's why they love your content. You're speaking truth to the internet in general, but it's also to these young men, they're hearing you, you're talking to women, but they're listening to you anyway, right? And what you're saying is so rare and so unfortunately so rare that like, but the men know this though, the men in our mannosphere community that I'm a part of, Michael Foster and stuff speaks to, like they're aware of all these issues and no one outside of our community rarely speaks to it. And that's why they love you seeing on the channel. You're saying whatever the young woman needs to hear. I know you shared my video the other day and I saw like thousands of likes and like, I don't think it's up to 100 thumbs down yet. It's like, no way, like on my little video channel, I have to stop comments and take away thumbs up after two days because I started getting attacked by trolls and the thumbs up way outweigh. And so I say, wow. Look at this one. I posted this this morning, I posted this, the meme this morning that you made to our channel. It has like the community tab. You have it on your channel too. So in six hours, that is 1.4,000 likes and 163 comments. That's really highly, that's amazing. Cause men, they know this is true. They love it. They love to see it. Your video even has like over a thousand comments on it that I put out just the other day and it's all positive. I was reading through them too. I've been reading. In fact, I have a post going out tomorrow. I'm linking to that and some of the comments from under that. And I was reading to my husband the other night, some of them, it was just like, this is so refreshing. I never get this, you know? Yeah, yeah. Cause to have so much support is just amazing. I get a lot on my Facebook page, a lot of support in other places, but I get so much feminist. I don't know if the, did the feminists not know about your channel? They kind of do. They come, like last year, we made a lot of them very angry. So for a while we had, I would say a couple of thousand that were really antagonistic. They're trying to get the channel taken down. They're reporting all the videos. And they're done. That's what they do to me all the time. One that you shared last night, that was reported by probably thousands, thousands and thousands about not denying your husband sex. Yeah. And it was amazing that YouTube didn't take it down. Cause they say, when I teach women to not deny, there has been sexually on teaching marital rape. Yeah, it's nonsense. They're so deluded and so deceived and they can't even see reality. No, it's loving your husband. It's wanting the best for him. It's pleasing him. But they can't understand that because they have such a hatred for men. They've been taught such a hatred for men their whole entire lives. And it's really sad. I think YouTube is reluctant to, I mean, they could do anything they want. They're crazy, right? These big tech companies that they're out of control, look at Trump, they got taken off the internet. But I think with you, you're an older woman and you're very Christian and they're reluctant to, there's a war on Christianity in America, no doubt. Oh yeah. But even considering that, I think they're reluctant to attack religious videos, particularly with the woman because of the victim hierarchy kind of thing. Like you're a female, you're oppressed, right? And you're a grandma. So I think that's part of the reason why you flew under the radar with that. They just don't want to cause, they don't want to cause a medias from the hurts them basically. I know not under the media on Facebook and Instagram because I've been in Facebook gel multiple times. But I know the words now I cannot use on Facebook. I cannot use a couple of words at all or I'll sign them immediately. And Instagram, it's just. They banned our page from Make Them Great Again after it only had a couple hundred followers but it had a lot of hate followers. And they reported every post that I made, like I posted your meme there, they reported that, they got taken down. So they kept, we lost the page but I don't really care if it's small. But I knew they might take down all of everything of mine. And I have my blog which I pay a lot for but who knows that could go to the way. And I tried to alternate the gab and me. And I just, I like, I like Instagram and Facebook and YouTube and Twitter. Your Twitter is great. It's so easy for me to retweet and share. Just keep going, going, going. Yeah. And it's kind of the way I like to write. I like to write kind of short and sweet. Really, that's my favorite way. So when I was at my husband said, you should write a book. I was like, you know, but because I don't like this. That was a labor of love, absolutely. But Twitter is really good because anything pops in my mind. I'll just put it on there. Now I don't have to put up with the comments and it's great. Yeah, hopefully things improve. Our governor in Florida obviously has passed the bill recently or signed it. Fighting Big Tech and Texas is now I think moving to do that as well. So the states are moving to- Why aren't all the GOP governors doing that? I don't get that. A lot of them are fake. A lot of them are rhinos, we call them. Like a Republican and name only. And even in Texas, I don't, you know, their governor's okay, but he's not, he's like a wannabe, you know, Ron DeSantis. DeSantis is one, and Christie Nome's good too from South Dakota. She's great. Yeah, she's a, I didn't get, I haven't met her anything, but I've watched her. When I saw her speak at the, on the 4th of July with Trump, you know, back in 2020, I fell in love with the state. I traveled there like soon after. I spent like a week and a half there. Just enjoying South Dakota. I never been to the Midwest before. And it was so beautiful. And some feminine women too. I found the culture- But you know, she, she didn't sign the bill about not allowing transgenders, transgender women. I always kind of forget what that means to be, and she didn't sign the bill that men can compete with. She, to forbid men from competing with women. And that's why I think men like DeSantis and Trump, they'll stand up about against the threats and all that stuff more than women will. Women cave more easily to the threats, to their family or whatever. And- Well, that's part of how God designed you to be more agreeable, right? To be a better mother and to be a better parent. So this is about design. Yep. As far as, by the way, you mentioned women voting earlier. I'm not exactly on the same page, but I'm close. I do think women voting is very dangerous and it can kill nations. And since women have gotten the ability to vote in America, I don't even think voting's a right. The founding fathers and the founding generation, they didn't view voting as a right. It was viewed like jury duty. It was viewed like an administrative function of your local government or just being a man, basically. It was very like jury duty. Like it was something you had to go do. It wasn't this sacred right, like the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. It wasn't like that. I think it is very dangerous for them to vote. They do vote very lefty. And I think that's due to the way your brains are wired to be more security focused and not think longterm. You're thinking short term resources, things like that. Men are thinking about independence and freedom and the ability to create and work with their hands and be conflict and competitive and stuff. That's why they vote this way. So I think though, there's other solutions without abolishing like the 19th amendment. I think if only married people, for example, voted, that could be a good thing. I think if- Yeah, married women vote more Republican, I think. Exactly, exactly. We're only taxpayers voted or only military veterans voted or you raised the voting age to like 30. Yeah, I definitely think it should be just those who pay taxes because what's happening is those who don't pay taxes are voting money into their own pockets. And that was warned about from one of the founding fathers almost now. Yeah, so I think there's mechanisms. I don't want to, my reluctance is to discriminate against eliminate an American's ability to vote based on the way they're born. So I do think women voting is very dangerous. It'll kill the United States or any country. But I think there are mechanisms like taxpayers, veterans, different things like that that are very serious. Those are big changes that I think would offset the negative elements of women exerting political power by voting, which is what that means. Politics is a management of violence. What are our cops going to do? Law enforcement, military, congressmen, governments, governors, that's what voting is. It's exerting violence into the culture. How is violence going to be managed? Law is- Women voting, if you read the posters from the anti-sufferages, they were totally against voting because they knew all this was going to happen. The only reason women fought for vote for the vote is because they didn't like the way men were leading. They thought they could lead better. So it's all part of the feminist agenda way back then. Well, they also thought they were going to get drafted, which would have been right and proper. Oh, you want to vote? Well, you're going to go to war and get your head blown off. And a lot of women were scared that was going to happen which you think would have. So I actually think that women in America getting the right to vote without the duty to be drafted is actually what killed the quality. It killed the equality. It was the death of the quality in America between rights and responsibilities. And that to me, that's still today we have that. I could have been drafted when I was young. My little brother could be drafted, but my sisters were never, they vote like me and my brother do, right? But they were never at risk of getting drafted into a war and dying. Or watching your friend die and being scarred by it for the next 50 years of your life and you're PTSD like, see a lot of young, you'd be amazed like young women, like millennials and Gen Z, they have no idea that women aren't even subject to a draft. They honestly have no idea. It's completely oblivious. It's amazing to me. They're just ignorant. Yeah, I wish women didn't vote. I think I just like God created men to lead. Yeah, yeah. They are created to lead and they're better leaders. I mean, others. I don't blame you. I don't blame you. But if that's the way things go, I'm not going to stop it. Like it's, I want to marry. It won't happen in our country because it's so feminized. Yeah. And you look at Clinton and Obama, I don't know about, but they both were raised by single mothers. Trump and the Bushes were all raised by men. Yeah. So men produced Republicans and women produced Democrats. Yeah. Trump in particular are very strong. His parents, they lived to very old age. He was very close with them, especially his father. And look at his kids, how much they love him and how the men are masculine. The women are feminine. It's interesting. But because I don't believe he's a Christian, he totally supports Christians like you do. He loves Christians. He supports Judeo-Christian values like you do. Like I was telling you before we got in here, God hasn't given you over to a reprobate mind. You can still see good and evil. I've got neighbors like that, like I was telling you. Well, I recognize too that I think there is a war on Christians in America. I do think Christianity is the values of it and the principles are extremely important, not only from a masculinity and femininity perspective, but for the country itself. And without it, the country's probably gonna die. It needs this backbone and this philosophy to guide it. And the further we lose that, the more dangerous things get and the more stable they get. And I know that if there's gulags and prison camps built, they're not gonna come to me and be like, oh, you're not a Christian, you're fine. You're an objectivist, they're not gonna care. I'm going to the gulag right with you guys. You gotta be kidding me. Because you're teaching the same stuff we do. Exactly, exactly. Very similar and extremely similar, yeah. Right. And yeah, I ain't going, like I've read enough history to know where all that ends up and I ain't going. I'm ready to fight and die, whatever I gotta do. So, but I have some more questions for you. I wanna get into. Okay. So, talk to me about, how do you think social media and iPhones and all that have affected women and men? Do you think it's different for women than men? How it like, narcissism? Well, women, yeah, narciss selfies and, it's made women a lot more envious about what other women have, what they look like. They show off their bodies, they, it's all about them. It's just made them more selfish and more me focused. And off of, really, there's no longer the eye to eye contact. The younger generation, I don't even know how to have a relationship, eye to eye talk, converse without looking at their phone. Yep. So, I think it's hurt everybody. It's hard, I'm sure you know, it's hard to not check your phone, but I will intentionally go for hours like when I'm with my grandkids and just be with my grandkids intentionally without checking my phone. So, you have to discipline yourself or it will dominate your life. And I just can't even see how it's good for you to look at something all day long for your eyes and your brain. It's bad, yeah. Yeah, I just, I mean, there's a lot of good because we're able to get our messages across a lot better now because of it all. But we just have to discipline ourselves. And they came out the year my youngest daughter graduated high school and my sister said that her children that are older than my daughter, when they would come to her house with groups of people, they'd all be laughing, joking, playing games, having a great old time. Her youngest was a year behind my daughter. Whenever they came to her house, they all had their phones and were on their phones the whole entire time. Yeah. It took away the relationships. And they're missing out. You know, you're not gonna die on your death bed. You're not gonna say, oh, I wish I would spend more time on my iPhone. I wish I would spend less time on my iPhone, more time with my grandbabies or my husband or my children or my neighbors. I've heard people say that social media and phones that facilitate this, social media makes people more anti-social or at least unsocial. Yeah. Yeah. And I sit outside of my front with my grandbabies a lot. So I know all my neighbors because they come by and we talk and chat. It's been, it's great because, and a lot of the grand, now our neighborhood is full of kids playing outside because I'm out there, I started it. So now they're all up riding their bikes and playing, putting on shows. And, you know, so that's how they should be. Like a family across the street, they have three children and they're so happy I do that. They said, I'd much rather my kids be outside playing outside the pressure and sunshine than being behind a phone or a computer. Yep. What a novel idea having your kids play outside and on the earth and the tree and on the yards and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, how God created them to move. Yeah. I really unestimated when I was young, I understand it now being older, but when I was young, how incredibly beneficial and important it was to have, I mean, fortunate to have grown up in Florida and have a boat. I was out fishing constantly on the water, which was very like libertarian. Like there's very little law enforcement and laws in the water, even now, especially back then though, this is like in the 90s and 2000s, you would occasionally run into like a Marine, you know, law enforcement officer patrol, but it was really rare. And you could get, I got a speeding ticket on Christmas Eve one time. I was going way too fast on the boat where you shouldn't go. You know, stupid stuff. It's all stupid stuff. It's like $30 tickets, right? They don't even matter. Yeah. And the water cops who called them were very, they're a lot more mellow. Unless you're doing something really terrible, like stealing something or something crazy, like off someone's boat, they don't mess with you. They leave you alone. And there's a lot of responsibility too though. And it's very, I mean, I was just out catching sharks and you know, all these animals and stuff my whole life growing up. And kids that haven't had that, they're always, especially if they don't live in Florida, they're stuck, you know, doing whatever, video games and stuff. So yeah. My grandpa built a cabin the year I was born in 1958, up in Wisconsin, right on Lake Michigan. And we would go back there every summer for a month. And the cabin, there was, we finally did get a phone, but there's no internet, no TV. But we'd be there for a month with all my relatives and family. And we'd go down to the dock and swim a lot and climb along the bluffs, go to the park, run around for a month. We did that with nothing, no technology. And those are my favorite memories of my life. Cause when we play games at night, we go, it was just, it was just wonderful. I fully understand everything you're saying. I'm like just old enough to get all that and I've done a lot of this too, fortunately growing up. But young people today, I'd be like, it's amazing. They have no experience of this. It's really sad. Even like with babies, we're talking about babies earlier. You have your grand babies now and stuff. Like I'm not even a woman and I love babies. And I don't know if I'll get made fun of for that or something, but I have three nephews now and I love them very much, like a lot. And that was very eye-opening for me, especially the first one. It was the first one that was like, that's the first time I cried in like years, right? Even, we're talking like four or five tears here, like a couple of tears, but it was an amazing experience to watch my little sister become a mother. I remember the day she was born when she was, I was like three-something years old, right? Now she has her own child and it's like, it's a huge gut check. Like I talked to you about their email, but I don't understand. I get babies, they cry and they're loud and they poop and all this stuff. Like why do, who cares? Like they're amazing little creatures that become adults. And they bring you so much joy. We're always laughing. I have my grand babies here. We have so much of funny things that they do and say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my little nephew Bryson that was walking around starting to say little words and stuff. He's almost two. And- I think mothers these days have to be really careful about not being on their phones all the time with their kids. My oldest daughter was saying she's being real intentional about not, you can't say, you can't be on my phone, but then you're on your phone all the time. They have to model to them that it's not an idol in their life. It's so easy to make it an idol. And the children are way more important to them than their phones and mothers. Let their kids know that. And their husbands too, they need to, when their husbands come into the room, they need to look up, smile at them, listen to them. Yeah, be present and like real in the relationship. Because that's anything of real relationships can be way more important than anything on your phone. My sister has a rule that when you come to us for getting to meet your phone at the door, she wants everyone to just enjoy each other. Yeah, what a crazy idea. Crazy idea. I know. Yeah. So here's another question I'll get into. I'm sure you're familiar with this to some degree. So in America in recent years, probably the past like seven years, and especially the past couple of years, it's really picked up. There's been this huge phenomena for young women, especially in colleges to be sugar babies, right? Where they're basically like a soft prostitute, but they're really in college. Like they're not street walkers or anything crazy like that. They don't work for service. They go on these websites. You find sugar baby websites and they find these older men and they basically have sex with them for money. And this has been like completely normalized. Like it's... Prostitution. It's just prostitution it sounds like. Yeah, basically, but it's like, it's super, super common. And now we have Onlyfans, which is now like another kind of, basically like a personalized, it's not like a private Twitter you have to pay for. And these girls just sell, like the average girl will go into college working, she'll be like a barista at Starbucks, go to college and then she has an Onlyfans and she sells nude pictures of herself like $5 a pop. And you would not believe how common this is. Like it is unreal. Girls that are 20, 24, 30 years old, whatever. Like they have, this is so, feminism unfortunately has been so dominant in the culture. These girls do this and they're just totally like, it's like going to the bathroom for them. It's like completely normal. Like drinking water. It's like they have no, because the money's so tempting too, they'll make a lot of money doing this. These girls are 21 years old to make easy $1,000 a month, which to them is a ton of money. Then they don't even know how to do taxes. They don't even report the income. There was a whole, a ruche by the way got a thing going back then. He called it the thought audit. It was a hashtag. Thought is like a derogatory term for these women. That hoe over there. And he wanted the IRS to audit all these women because they'd all go to jail if they were audited, just amusing. But anyway, do you have any thoughts on like this? This is really extreme behavior that's never been seen before. You have like millions or whatever of young women basically being inter digital prostitutes and they think it's just like completely normal. Have you seen this? Do you observe this go on recent years? Well, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed from pornication as it proliferates, it's so destructive. Those women are destroying their lives. They think it's fun and they're making money at the point in time, but they're destroying, they're absolutely destroying their lives and going down the broad path that leads to destruction. I have not heard of that, but it doesn't surprise me at all what's going on in our country today. Little children not being named the gender when they're born. So the parents can manipulate their sexual organs. It's child abuse, you know? And a lot of these women probably weren't loved growing up. They were probably raised in broken families. They didn't have that love of a father. They didn't have a full-time mommy that cared for them. And so they're empty and they're trying to fulfill that void with the things of the world that don't satisfy and they're self-harming themselves and just keep going down. You look at these women's marches wearing vaginas on their hats and they're just so angry and so mean and so miserable, you know? Like the trolls that come after me, they're just so miserable and it's just so far from God's plan for them. And that's all they know. And I think the breakdown of the family is the culprit, the bottom line is the culprit, the breakdown of the family, these women not feeling, because they do want male attention even though the feminists have tried to convince them not to get it. They do want male attention. They want to be loved and they think this is love. It's not at all. Well, it's all little hearts, right? It's a heart here and a heart there. It's this little loving heart, but yeah, it's not love. I think about this too, these girls, you know, especially if they're looking, yeah, but especially if a girl's beautiful, like physically, legitimately, very good looking, they have thousands and thousands and thousands, I call them beta males, like every photo they post on Instagram and everything they put on Twitter and everything they put here, and it's like you're, you obviously love male attention and validation, but it's not, number one is digital, it's not real. Number two, you could have 100 million of these beta males like your stuff and you're still gonna feel empty inside because none of them actually love you. So it's all fake, it's all just stupid, yeah. You said it very well, and at the end of the day, at the end of the lives, what is that gonna matter? Like how many, even for us, how many people watch our videos or how many likes we get on Facebook? At the end of the day, what does it matter? It's that having a husband that loves me and children and grandkids that love me and wanna be with me, that's what matters, you know? Love and family, exactly. Yeah, yeah, they're giving up the best, the chances of them ever, of course if they repent and believe in Jesus Christ, he can make all things new, but they'll have so many scars in their lives to have to overcome. A lot of them have had abortions, the pill causes infertility, abortions cause infertility, sexual promiscuity, I believe hurts women a lot more than men, it hurts men too. Badly, it's destructive. We gotta make women virgins again. Yeah, I know. Because they have to use a pill that's health-destroying, destroys their health and it makes sex not fun for them and then, or they have to abort their baby and just the brokenness and they think that it's fun and satisfying but it's the total opposite. Well, let's talk about this. So I agree with you first of all that, you know, promiscuous behavior for women is exponentially more damaging to women than men. It could be damaging to men too, I agree with you. I have some personal experience with this, right? Even in terms of not even just being promiscuous but even just one committed relationship that was ultimately unhealthy and toxic and destructive because that had emotional bonds in it and attachments that span four and a half years, right? And that's where I think men can actually get and it's a much more danger, but for women, yeah, Michael Foster's even talked about this, like promiscuous behavior for women is like really, really dangerous and unhealthy and destructive. I think it's like, I said recently on my Twitter and it pissed off a lot of the feminists and stuff, right? That basically promiscuous, premarital sex for women, promiscuous behavior for women as well, that's a little bit different as two different issues but they're related. It's like cutting themselves psychologically. That's how bad it is. And you get scars from it and you get hurt and you get wounded and you bleed and a lot of it for women is kind of permanent because I think trauma is a kind of hardening, masculinizing process. So if a man gets his heart broken, I think he can recover and become stronger from it. That potential is there anyway. For women, it's like they have to return to baseline and be feminine and that's really hard to do. We say in the manosphere, for example, that not only are men and women different, but femininity is primarily preserved. Masculinity is built. So women are kind of born and they need to stay innocent and youthful as best they can. Men, you don't have masculinity when you're a boy. You have to build it as you become a man. So these are two different, you know, as you say, God created men and women and they're completely different. They're fundamentally different anyway. And so this is how it kind of looks in our life. And I guess he's listening to someone who is saying that if you're a virgin, when you're married, you have an 87% chance of a lifelong marriage and it goes down from there. The more partners that you have, you know? So, and of course God can redeem anything and it's a commitment between the husband and the wife that they have. But it's just, all of God's commands to us are for our good. Just like all our rules for our kids were for their good. It wasn't to make their lives miserable or anything. And God's aren't either. They're good, those women who are showing off their bodies and having sex with strangers. I can't even imagine. I'm in high school, all of my friends were having sex with their boyfriends, even my Christian friend, you know? But my mom had told me that you wanna stand in front of the husband, the man that you wanna marry someday and tell him that you wanna save yourself for him. And that's all she really been told us about it. And it was enough for me. I was saying, oh, yeah, I do, you know? And then on my honeymoon night, I'm just thinking, I'm sure God, I've married this man. I have a long time to learn all that, you know? I mean, it's just so personal and intimate and just like, oh, I've never wanted to just do this with some strange guy that we woke up this morning, puts his pants on and leaves me. I just think that would be awful. And so just cuddling and feeling no guilt and just... Well, even from a nature perspective, it's very dangerous for women to have sex out of wedlock. If you get pregnant, you're helpless and defenseless for nine months minimum. You could die in the process and how are you gonna take care of yourself and the kid? You can't. And abortions are dangerous. Yeah. You watch the movie and plan, they're very dangerous. You could keep them from ever having a baby in that can cause a lot of problems, everything. God made birth control very hard. He created us to have children. He created sex for children between a husband and a wife for children. And trying to go against that is harmful to us in many ways. And they're just, they're swapping short-term pleasure for long, long, long-term pain. Yep. Yeah, it's terrible. And I've realized, but this is actually fairly new for me. Make women virgins again. Here's what I should say. I try to teach them to not just remain virgins, that's what I try to change my teaching, my depth in virgin post, but to be sexually pure, because you start kind of making out and your motor gets running. Just put boundaries, put boundaries in, like in the olden days, they weren't allowed to go off alone. They stayed in the family's homes and they were on the porch together. That's right, yeah. So you have to put boundaries in your life to stay sexually pure, because we are sexual beings, the motors get running quickly, you have to have to do that. No, it's very, yeah, exactly. When you're excited and stuff, it's impulse control goes way down. Right. And that's the way guys- And put a little alcohol in there and forget it. All the inhibitions go, so women don't drink. Don't drink alcohol, just keep your wisdom, maybe set boundaries, protect yourself, just because a guy wants to have sex with you doesn't mean he loves you. If he really loves you, he'll wait, tell, no guy was gonna have sex with me, I'm telling, I had a ring on my finger and he had said, I do for life. That's the way, and I had boyfriends in high school, football player, the quarterback. He was very good looking. Oh, you dated a quarterback. Oh, all right, all right, hot shot, all right. He set records, I was a cheerleader and we dated for a long time and I knew he'd set it around, he had that reputation. But the very first date, he picked me up, he didn't know that much about me, but he drunk, he honked. Wait, he was driving, he picked you up driving drunk? Yes, he was drunk as a skunk, he drove, the mom was so oblivious what was going on and seeing her day and age, this wasn't happening. Guys, respected girls, they came to the door. So he drove me to this party, wild party. My mom, I would say I was going to party, she didn't know there was drunken drugs and sex going on. So he takes me to a bedroom. I sit on the bed, the corner of the bed and I said, can you please take me home now? And so thankfully, see what a dangerous situation that could have been. He could have easily raped me. It was just such a, we could have gotten killed on the way. It was such a, my parents were so ignorant. That's why we weren't ignorant with our kids. We knew, so we knew what was going on out there. Yeah, so on the way home, he said, you don't like me drinking, do you? No. And so we did for an hour, a year and a half and he wanted to marry me so badly, so badly. Because I wouldn't let him have sex with me at all. And he, I tell him that, he was two boyfriends of mine were like that and they respected me and they wanted to marry me because if you want to be married women, you need to wait till marriage. Cause men, if men want sex with you and not badly, badly and they'll marry you, you're just getting it away for free. Why should they commit to you? Exactly. Give you them, you have everything they own. And you know, Cheryl, my husband, I haven't worked a day, you know, hardly since for 36 years and he's fully supports me financially, fully. But he's, you know, he's very gentle. What a terrible life you have being in love and married and a grandma and your husband supports you. Wow, you're such a misogynist. I know. And then people say that I teach subservience, you know, and they always put Hayden Handmaid's tail on my Facebook page. Said, no, it's not forced. My husband never forces me to do anything. Well, if a man has to force you, it's not dominance and it's not submission. Now it's coercive, it's not healthy. Yeah, no. It's not ecological, it's codependency, it's bad. Yeah, no, I choose to submit to him. I choose to please him, I choose to serve him. I'm not, you know, he's not forcing me, he's not. And that's why it works. That's why it makes you happy. Yeah. Yeah. And he's happy too. By the way, the Handmaid's tail, I've seen the first episode, that show is crazy. You should see the first couple of episodes. It'll shock you. I would see it. It's basically like every feminist nightmare put into a TV show. It's, you'll enjoy it because it's so ridiculous. It's what all the feminists believe, like all the evil patriarchy and all the toxic masculinity, it's all that put into a well-produced TV show. They have money, obviously for it. And it's just shocking how stupid it is. Like it's ridiculous, it's unreal. It's so dumb, but it's entertaining for that reason because it shows you, women actually watch this show and they actually believe this crap and they're propagandized by it. And they have- That's what I'm teaching, right? Yeah. No, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's insane. That's what you mean. So how can I smile and be cheerful when I'm being forced? The feminist called me the commander, whatever his name is out of the show, I guess we look alike. So they, and he's like the big bad patriarch basically. So they view me as him. And I love women a lot. That's why I have the courage to challenge them. Right. And tell them that they're wrong, to correct them. No, you're a bunch of crazy whack jobs, like be calm, be feminine, be submissive, be happy, go pursue motherhood. My speech last year, the 22 convention for women, people thought I was going to do make women great again, like a speech on that. And I could have, but I said, no, I want to focus on something, I want to target a topic, I want to focus, right? My speech was called motherhood first, like America first, America first, Canada first, Britain first, motherhood first, because women need to put motherhood first. It's like Americans need to put America first before other countries. And if they don't, I think 90% of the time they're going to end up miserable. You'll have some exceptions. Like I'm a huge fan of Vine Rand. She didn't have any kids, but she was a great woman who mothered an entire philosophy instead. But that's a really rare unusual thing to do and successfully. Most women who try that or anything even in that direction, they end up working for some loser job, a loser boss who doesn't love them or care about them. They have no children. They end up just drinking themselves to death with cheap wine out of the dollar store. This is literally the woman to do now. It's so sad. They have Sunday fun day. Women are very and women, they'll ask you what young women should do if they don't go to college and they're not married. And women are safe under a man's protection. If they have a good father, I don't think God intended for women to live long by themselves. In colleges, the colleges are filled with women being raped and sexually assaulted because they're not under any man's protection. So I think it's really safe for women to be. Well, hang on, it's not even just, there is some of that that occurs, of course, crimes happen at college. Like you talked about parties, people drinking, idiots, these like unhinged alpha males raised by single moms and stuff, but it's worse than that because when they leave the protection of a father and a mother that are good in some way, they destroy themselves. They go hook up with, I knew a girl, this girl lost like a hundred pounds of weight, so she lost all this weight. She actually looked pretty good looking after she lost all the weight. What did she do? She went out of sex with 40 men in two months. She told me this to my face, a hundred percent. I've never heard that face to face outside of this, or she was serious. And why is that? Well, she never got attention from men because she was fat growing up and stuff like that. I get the mechanisms for it. She was like, almost like getting revenge, almost like on the boys that ignored her growing up. And that's sad, but this is super self-destructive behavior, it ruined her life for sure. And it's like, you not only combat things happen to you, the world's a dangerous place, you're gonna destroy yourself. This is what women do. They're like the create chaos. They think short-term, they think with their emotions, their emotions guide them more than any form of logic or reason, until maybe they're older and wiser, right? Right, and God wants them to be married for protection too, to be under that pet. Sometimes when a husband's gone, they're ready to call my husband. Someone's in my house, I think, so my husband has to go over. They never call and ask me. They never said, I think there's somebody in my house, you come over. Why is that, you know? They always ask my husband. But back to what you were saying about patriarchy. Feminism has twisted that word into something ugly and abusive, oh, we can't use. That's why they came up with the term complimentarian in Christian circles to define a husband and a wife, because they said patriarchy has negative evil connotations. Well, it only has that because feminists created that. God had patriarchs. He created manfers. He wants men to be the leaders in the churches. He wants men to be the leaders in the home. And I believe he wants men to be leaders everywhere because all the kings and disciples, oh, everything was men that he had leading, you know, Billy Springfield. You had some queens, but actually, if you look historically, people done research on this. And you had queens and stuff that history, they tend to be really violent. They're actually much more prone to emotional thinking and starting wars and these crazy kinds of violence. And a lot of people are surprised by that. They think women are nicer and this and that. It's like- They think there'll be no wars with women. It's not a joke or what. No, it's the opposite. It's the opposite. I know. They're more violent. I know, and God never appointed a queen as a leader. He only appointed kings as the leaders. There was a judge named Deborah that was a leader in Israel when Israel was very rebellious. And it showed that it was not God's will. And there we even said that God appointed or actually not God's will. So one exception, the feminist spring up, of course. It's like, well, what about all the other hundreds of men that God and then his disciples? He could have easily chosen a female apostle or disciple, but he didn't. He chose men. He has men be their leaders in the churches. He has husbands as a head over the wife in the home. It's his will is very, very clear. Yeah, Christianity is completely patriarchal. And Michael Foster made a point of this speaking at our patriarch event last year. He says he likes radical feminists, at least because they're honest a lot of the time. And they'll at least tell you Christianity is completely patriarchal rather than these Christian feminists who try to reject patriarchy and all this. It's like your entire religion from the God, the Father all the way on down is patriarchal. Literally the whole thing. Jesus, John, about this is all men. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. The end in Revelation, there's the whore, the whore of Jezebel. He talks about Jezebel and then the great whore and which is evil, satanic, you know? It's like, my husband always thinks, I wonder why that's a woman in Revelation. Jezebel is a favorite one in the man's sphere. Like you were talking about Coach Greg Adams. He addresses the Jezebel spirit. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, Jezebel is a very rebellious woman. She wants to teach men. She wants to do her own thing. In the Bible, she was a wicked woman. She was a very little wicked man who was very weak. She was the masculine one and he was, you know, so. Yeah, so it's so backwards and bizarre. I want to ask you a question, though, so you mentioned that your boyfriend in high school, one of them, was not a virgin. He dated him for several years. At least when you were young, you were OK with that, but then made your decisions with your own virginity and marriage and all that. Well, I knew I wasn't going to marry him. Which was, it was wrong of me. I liked him a lot. I enjoyed him. I thought he was a great guy. Both of my boyfriends, I think they both slept with girls before they married, but they both wanted to marry me, the ones I had in high school. But what was your question? My question was, so obviously when you were young, you were at least somewhat OK with that. Oh, yeah, but I didn't want to, I was just dating the whole dating scene. That's why I don't teach against it. It was just kind of like having fun. I was just having fun with them, but I broke both of their hearts terribly, terribly, terribly. And I always knew I wouldn't marry them, but they always thought they could marry me and so it was so wrong of me to do, to just play. So we taught our kids, you date with the intention of marrying. Only date those people who you want to marry. And they all did. They all, my youngest, he, no one of my sons, but he was always in groups and had a lot of accountability, you know. I've always had this idea too and I don't know where it came from. Maybe my grandmother, maybe Catholicism, but I've always thought you should only date to marry and it's stupid to do anything else. Kids today call dating to date. This kind of circular logic, this stupid nonsense. And teaching adultery, really, that's all it's to you doing. Yeah, yeah, it's just all kinds of stupid stuff. I'm 32, I've only had one girlfriend, the woman I married. That's just how, and the next woman I date, I'll marry, most likely anyway, that's the intention. I have zero other interest in building a relationship outside of that. And it amazes me how normal the average young American thinks those kind of this dating to date, casual dating crap is, it's not. Now that's even different from this hookup culture, I think this is like this casual relationship thing. These girls constantly do it and guys too, right? They have these six month relationships back to back to back to back. You can actually go on their Instagram and see it in real life. You see like the boyfriend and then they're hanging out for a couple months and then there's food, they always post food, right? Oh, here's the food, here's the food, right? Then they're doing something, then they break up, then there's a Bible quote, I'm serious, they post the Bible quote, then there's another boyfriend who looks just like the old boyfriend, right? Then there's more food and it's like this pattern, it's crazy and they're doing these relationships all are short, six to 12 months, right? It's exciting, whatever, they have all the sex, right? Then it blows up in their face, they're in tears, where are all the good men at? Now I'm buying a cat, now I'm drinking wine, now I'm having Sunday fun day. It's really like, it's easy to make fun of but it's really sad, it's like this is so stupid, this cycle of insanity. Yeah, we mentored a big church near us and the head of that church, the mentoring program, they mentored pre-medal counselors, they mentored couples who were in the process of, they're engaged in the process of getting married, so we joined that and the head of that program has been doing it for 30 years and this was 10 years ago. He said that 30 years ago when he started, all the kids were raised in the church, none of them were living together, none of them were having sex together and it was great. He said now, they're all living together. Christians, being raised in Christian homes in a church, they're all living together, having sex together. They mentored my oldest son and his wife and they said they were a breath of fresh air, they weren't living together, they weren't having sex, they're both raising Christian families, homes, they love God's ways. It's like even in the Christian, I'm thinking if the Christians, the churches aren't even upholding that, how could we expect anything different in the culture? See, I saw my girlfriends in high school sleeping with their boyfriends and breaking up in the heartache and I said, I don't want any part of that because I think when you sleep together, the Lord says you become one flesh and so it's a lot harder, it makes it, whereas I don't quite like it like my boyfriends anymore. I just want to move on, so it's easy for me and I didn't have any, I didn't give anything away of mine. Here's my question I wanted to get to initially, so if you don't want to share, that's fine, but I wanted to ask you, was your husband also a virgin when you got married? Oh, he was, so okay. He was, so he wanted to marry a virgin too, so that was a blessing. Okay, my follow-up question is, do you think it's okay for a virgin woman, now obviously there's sin components to it, that's specific to your religion, but do you think it's okay for a virgin woman to marry a man who is not a virgin? Did you consider that when you were young or was that vitally important to you? I don't know if it was so important to me. I think if one of my boyfriends was truly a godly man who worked hard, who are really respected, I would have married him. Like if your husband was not a virgin when you met him but you loved him, you still would have married him. Yeah, because, oh yeah, because I have friends, godly friends who are virgins who marry men who had slept around, but these men had repented and it caused some issues I think when they were first married, because I think the guilt of what they had done and it was so heavy on them, it just dripped, and they didn't even know how to have sex where they just pleased their wife and the love and the intimacy, it wasn't like that for them. So when they finally married, but no, it didn't keep their wives from marrying them because they saw that they were committed believers in Jesus Christ. They were serious about their marriage, they were serious. Yeah, and I don't think it's horrible for a man to marry a woman who's not a virgin if she's repented. But I can tell you with Ken and I being virgins as marriage, I think it makes it so easy to be faithful to each other. I have not once, I've had some guys come after me since being married, flirting with me and stuff. And I had zero desire to do anything with them sexually or physically at all. I could never do that to my husband. I could never do that to my children. Well, it's abusive, yeah, exactly. It is, and it's such devastation. I was wise enough, even as a teenager, to see the consequences that, oh, I don't wanna do that. I can see long-term, I kinda had a long-term vision in my life, and so with my husband, I even though all those years, and he traveled half the year, you know, and he felt the same way though. He was approached by people, but he felt the same way. He could never do that to me. And I think when you're used to being, just having sex with one person, it makes it a lot easier. So all of God's rules are far good. I think you're right, it makes it easier. I never had this issue myself when I was in that relationship four and a half years. I did have the potential and the opportunity to cheat and I never did. It was very easy for me not to. My view of it was much more simple and I view cheating infidelity as abusive behavior. And why would I want to knowingly, willingly abuse the woman that I love? On top of it being immoral, and irrational, and destructive behavior, you mentioned kids too. When you cheat, you set a terrible example for your children. And you abuse their mother, or vice versa, the woman abuses the father of the children. It's sexual abuse. And it's so nice not to have any secret from our kids. Like on my death bed, it made out of heaven and fire. I was like, oh, it's so nice to not have to have to worry about that. No, we were, to be able to say we've been faithful to each other for over 40 years. They're the only way we ever know. It's a huge blessing. It's a huge, huge blessing that all these women who think they're having so much fun in their youth, what happens when they lose, when they hit about 50, let me tell you, women, you're going to start losing your looks. Even after, you know, I think women can still be beautiful in their 40s. But when you hit your 50s, I noticed really at 55, that's when your looks tank. But, you know, you're not going to get guys then. They're not going to watch you anymore. They want young women. Yeah, young and fertile. Exactly what I want. Yeah, I'm going to try to find a young virgin. We'll see if that works out. It's tough. I'm going to Poland, you know? Poland will look after you. Well, you have a lot of wisdom. So you just, you know, like I said in the letter, just don't get it, find it. I tell guys, don't marry a feminist. No, don't marry a feminist. Don't marry a woman who has to troll you, nag you. You want to find a woman who accepts you the way you are. Just, you know, with all your flaws, because we all have flaws, you know? Yeah, yeah, for sure. And my husband and I, we've never been wins to hold grudges. We forget really easily. We love deeply. We love the Lord. We love our kids. So we, I knew marrying my husband that we both had, we had a good foundation to have a really good, strong life. And divorce, before we married, divorce, we both said divorce will never be in our bill of vocabulary. That's just won't even be. I think our first couple of months after marriage, I told him, I shouldn't write me for my parents. I shouldn't have ever married you. I just, my husband will never let me remember that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't judge me on my first year of marriage when I'm so immature, so emotional, with your mask. Well, I do have that question. I do have a question here, because this is the rules that I had set in my prior relationship with that woman, right? There's, I had zero tolerance for infidelity and zero for violence. These are the conditions that I would leave her on. And of course she ended up breaking one. She was prostitute, I found out. I mean, above and beyond, it was terrible. Like straight up Mary Magdal, I guess, or but way worse, way more. Mary Magdal meets Jezebel, basically. Yeah. But so do you believe as a Christian, do you support divorce in the cases of adultery or domestic violence? You know, I've known people who have- I think Catholics do, right? They support this adultery. I'm not sure, but biblically, if someone is a spouse is committing adultery and unrepentant and wants zero to do with you, I definitely think there is room for divorce in a situation of abandonment when a spouse is completely abandoned. The Bible, Paul talks about that, that I think they are free to marry, especially when that spouse gets married. I've seen women win their husbands back who are having affairs, my Bible study leader, one way. Her husband was having affairs and she decided she was gonna win him back. She wasn't a prostitute, he wasn't. He was just having an affair with one woman. So she was gonna win him back and she did. It took him a year after they were back together to finally apologize. And then they were mentoring women to have this amazing ministry together. And another woman in my chat room, he left her for 10 years, I don't know what all the, but she won him back after 10 years. So I never wanna discount the transforming power of Jesus Christ. But I would never blame a woman for divorcing a husband who is committing adultery on her and physically abusive. Physically abusive, I will tell them to seek help, get out as quickly as possible and find a safe place. But it's their decision to divorce. Some women still don't wanna divorce them. They wanna pray for them. They're worried about their eternal soul. They wanna, and they can only see the husband when they're with people and the kids. So each, I can't say black and white, each situation would be different. But I would never condemn a woman for divorcing a husband who's husband was cheating on her. What about the other way around? What about a woman cheating? What about a wife cheating on a husband? Do you view that as different? You know what, it's from what I've read, when a woman makes up her mind to divorce her husband, she won't change it. She's hardened, that's it. When a husband makes up his mind to divorce his wife, they can be one back, but she's here. Women, it's pretty much set in stone when they decide to leave. They totally shut off emotionally. Whereas men, they can win them back. So if a man is had, you said, what if a man's having affairs? Should a wife deal with it more? No, no, no. What if a wife cheats on a husband? What about that? Do you view that as different from a husband cheating on a wife? For example, I view it, I do think what you're saying from my perspective in a secular sense, I do think women have the opportunity or the option to not leave a man who cheats on them. Maybe they shouldn't, maybe they should. Like you're saying it can be complicated. In the opposite direction, when a wife cheats on a husband, I think it's an immediate, it's dead. Like it has to, you have to kill it. See, I know women who've done that. Yeah. And their husbands never found out and they had a baby from it. And the husband never knew. Yeah, exactly. And that doesn't happen with men, but it happens with women. Cause there is no 100% birth control. There's no 100% way to prevent a baby. Well, a woman also knows if the baby's hers. It's not possible for a woman to get pregnant and not know, that's my baby, right? But for a man, he doesn't know. This is why paternity and virginity is important. Yeah. I think it's really important to men because they want their wife. And you know what? I've heard the term women are the gate, the sex, the gatekeepers of, gates of sex or do you know that saying? Gatekeepers of sex. Yeah. Gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers to relationships. And I think that's true because women don't have the sexual drive as men do. They can, they can say no a lot easier. They, you know, men can't have sex if women aren't having sex, you know? So, and I, they just don't have that drive. I think before a woman, I know a young woman told me that she didn't know she had a sex drive until she started kissing her, who became her husband, you know? When they were engaged or dating, you know? Wow. So, you know, they just don't, they don't have the sex drive. Like maybe if they're not looking at porn or you don't even know really exist. Like men, men know from a little young age, you know? Yep. But at atomically, what it's called. But so I think women do are the gatekeepers of sex. And they're the ones that need to decide to be sexually pure before marriage and understand though, that sex is a wonderful thing, a beautiful thing. It's worth saving for marriage, incredibly safe. It's an incredible gift that you give your husband and put boundaries up. So- I'm just amazed at how this, the voice you're giving to these ideas is so absent from culture today. Like young women right now do not hear this at all, anywhere, even a little bit. Not from their mothers, not from their church, not from their school, not on TV, not in news, nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. You and a few brave women from a feminine perspective are the only ones like in America even saying any of this. Like you even said, even with churches, like if Bible says this, nobody cares, right? It's at the window. It's amazing to me how rare it's become. That's why our channel loves you, all these guys. I know. Like we're talking about it, we're spreading as much as we can, but it's like, is there, are there any women left anywhere in America that actually care about these issues and have a correct like accurate position to it? Whether it's from God or religion or even from a natural perspective. Like I see your views as biblical, call them biblical values, but for me, they line up with reality. They line up with nature, the way God made nature, right? Made the earth. This is the way men and women are, regardless of who made it in my view. It's you're right. That's what, are you speaking the truth? I know that and I agree with you and I support it a thousand percent. We love seeing it, the guys and family love it. I wish I could have it. People have wanted me to do a dating site, match feminine women and masculine men who want to be married for life, you know? But I've been warned too, you'll get gays and garbage, you know. And I've heard that some have met on my Facebook page. So, but on the Instagram, I follow a lot of women who are living biblical lifestyles who love their students, who have a lot of children, a lot of them, a lot, lot, lot. They teach what I teach. They tag a lot of things that I teach, you know, on their things and, so there's a lot, a generation under me, my kids age, your age, who are seeing the horrors of feminism and what it's done to women and the debt, college debt, what college does to women and they're deciding differently. And so, because when I was their age, I didn't know anyone who taught what I teach. You know, I didn't know anybody. And that was in the seventies, way before all this, you know, feminism, I think it's gotten increasingly radical every decade, right? Oh yeah. In the past 20 years, it's gotten like insane. But even in the eighties and the nineties, I didn't know anybody who taught what I taught. Yeah, that's sad. So, I mean, I went to marriage expecting my husband to make me happy. I was the queen and he had to make me happy. Oh God, even back then, even back then. Yeah. God, I'm trying to make women great again. You just make me realize. Instead of going into marriage thinking, how can I make him happy? Yeah, which makes you happy. I was arguing the other day, like another sacrificial, we'll disagree on words maybe, but you know, I think women should pursue their own happiness as human beings. But the way for women to do that is to prioritize a man's happiness, a man that they love. This makes women happy in like a circular way. It's very powerful. Like I see that you're happy and you're feminine and it's, you're in love. Like it's amazing. And women think by pursuing short-term happiness through materialistic crap and selfies and the internet on careers, whatever, they think this is like, they think it's gonna make them happy and it doesn't. Really, it's putting a man's happiness first and make pursuing to serve him and make him happy is what makes a woman happy most of all. You know, I used to be spell-fish and want to be served. And now I love to serve. I love to serve my husband, my children, my grandchildren, with my granddaughters and my daughters and my daughters-in-law are here. I do everything. I clean, I don't want them to do anything. I just want them to have a good time and relax because they are free. And know it, learning to be generous and serve makes you happy. Expecting things for yourself, wanting things to go your way, having people serve you. I view this as your own, this is your pursuit of happiness. It's encouraging and supporting serving and be happy- Serving and loving other people is a path to happiness. Bottom line, God says that the greatest command is to love him with your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And then the second greatest is to love others as you love yourself. And that doesn't mean we don't speak truth to them. Oh, people say I'm so unloving. It's like, no, I speak truth because I love you. I love people. That's right. That's what drives me. These people, the feminists accuse me being a misogynist and hating woman. And this is the opposite of reality. Like I'm one of the few men in a business and entrepreneurial position to do something about what's happening in culture for everyone, regardless of what their political affiliation is, religious, whatever. And one of the reasons I do that's because I love women maybe too much at times as I told you about three male, right? I really do that. All of my sisters, my family and stuff. And that's what drives me. It's like that. And that's what gives me the intensity and the power and the courage to speak the truth, even if it's on national TV in front of a million people. No, I'm gonna say exactly what I think is true, including if it makes you mad. Including if, you know. So make women virgins again, one of the reasons I do, I say women, because the minute I put this on Twitter and stuff, the Christians are like, well, I understand why. You say it's good for men and women. I'm like, I understand that. Like I get, they're not understanding why I'm specifying women because you're not allowed to focus on women. You're not allowed to, you're not, as a man, I'm not allowed to mansplain to them and tell them, hey, you should not be promiscuous. It's stupid and bad for you, right? And they go, so, well, why aren't you talking to men? It's like, well, we'll get there. But that's not really the point. The point is, you wanna scream at me, the men and I have an opinion about what women should do. And I'm a man. I mean, it's similar for you, but especially for me, they're like, no, you have to die. Like you're evil now. Evil misogynist, you know? You know, I don't know how much battery I have on my phone, but I'm just, if I black out, it's... Okay. We'll wrap up with the last question. It's been over two hours, won't you, girl? It's been amazing. So my theory I've been working on lately with is make women virgins again thing. It's kind of a gag habit, it's also real. I'm gonna give a speech on it at the 22 convention this year. Do you think there is a real important connection between the fall of the American family, right? And women no longer caring even a little bit about preserving their virginity? Because this is something I didn't think about a few weeks ago. Absolutely, absolutely. Like I told you, without dads, without mom, moms being home full-time, study after study has proven that children grow up to be emotionally stable and secure. All these mothers are not home full-time and they're raising daughters who are emotionally unstable and insecure. They're divorcing their husbands, 80% of women are in the chain divorce. So these girls are not being raised with fathers who love them, poor affection on them. My daughters were so loved by my husband that they never felt like they needed guys' attention. My daughters are beautiful women, young women, but they were never flirty. They didn't need men's attention because they were so loved by their dad. They felt so secure and loved. And they didn't want to get, they had no trouble saying new cells for marriage, you know? And neither did I. And that's, the opposite is what's happening with women today. Their mothers aren't there for them. So they feel needy and insecure, emotionally unstable. Their dads aren't pouring love on them. They're not given boundaries. They're not raised and trained to obey authority in their life and to respect the rules that they're good for their good. So they go out and try to find it in our wicked culture. And it's just really, really sad. Really, really sad. I agree. It's easy to make fun of and make jokes, but also it is very sad and it's very serious content. Yeah. It starts with the family. It starts with moms being committed to life and their husbands being home to raise their children. And I think men will follow right along. Because men, we mentored this couple of years ago and they were ready to get divorced. They, she would totally get out of control. And Ken taught, she couldn't even control herself. And Ken taught, would you mind if your husband just gave you, he's big and husky, would you mind if you, just come over and give you a really big hair, bare-hug when you ever did, you did that? She said, you know, I think I'd probably like that. Well, this was, we mentored them probably 12 years ago and they're on the verge of divorce. Well, she just posts on Facebook that they've had a good time, they've had bad times, but they're doing so great together. They love being married, they've been married. And so just being taught what's right and what's good. Women need that too. I know that's why I write every day because women need that constant reminder because their culture is teaching them everything opposite of what I teach. And I write for myself too. I'm not just writing for other women. I'm writing to remind myself too, these biblical values. And they're not all biblical values because like when someone said, you said women should eat slowly. Well, it's feminine, I teach women how to be feminine too. To be attractive for their husband, just try to stay in shape, to not overeat. Yeah, that's a little bit beyond the Bible, but that's fine. And I think women need to hear this, they do, they really do. They need to learn how to be women, to be feminine women. Yeah. And I think women, you know, men have a huge role in teaching women how to be feminine by our desires and mansplaining, so to speak, right? Teach women how to be feminine. Like a father teaching his daughter boundaries and these things, but they also need women, older women to teach them how to be women. You have a direct experience. John MacArthur, a great pastor, he preaches biblical womanhood. Yeah. Great, he just teaches all the women's sins and how to be good, godly women. And if we had more preachers like that, it would make my job a lot easier. Yeah. But at the same time, you got me, so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that said, I really appreciate your time. It's been over two hours. I really love the interview and appreciate your time and attention. Hope to see you maybe this year at 22 Convention as we discuss, we'll see where that goes. And your husband too, be welcome to speak at the Patriarch event. Sounds like a big, great fit. So we're gonna rebuild the Patriarchy. He's a great speaker. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, yeah. We're gonna rebuild the Patriarchy one father at a time. Yeah. Well, thank you, Lori. That's it for the interview today, guys. Make sure you visit her website, at transformwife.com. Link in the description. There's also his books on Amazon, such as, excuse me, such as biblical womanhood and the transform wife itself, the power of a transform wife, excuse me. Check him out on Amazon, follow her on Twitter. That's my favorite. She's also on Instagram and Facebook and all these places. Check her out, enjoy it. And Lori, we'll talk to you next time. Okay, thanks.