 The the business model for doing a show like this is to get your juices flowing right to connect with you Emotionally, right the best way to engage Online is to enrage and infuriate and tell people how they're being victimized and screwed over right by the establishment I mean if you're on the left or the right, that's the business model that you are being screwed over by the establishment There's no business model for telling you the vaccines work and are a good thing Right, there's no money to be made for a youtuber or a Podcast or a blogger to tell you that vaccines work and they're a good thing But vaccines work and they're a good thing. There's no money to be made There's no excitement to be created. There's no enormous audience to develop Telling you that overall the elites in first world countries did a pretty good job responding to COVID I think the United States, Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Australia It far better than I expected in responding to COVID and our governing officials at the time All right, they deserve credit and People handling federal reserve and the like around the world deserve credit for keeping us out of a massive Recession and Scientists and government agencies that you know underwrote getting us vaccines in you know operation warp speed They deserve major credit, but there's no money There's no excitement to be had I'm not gonna get your juices flowing saying that in their response to COVID The elites did a better than expected job. I Don't think there's any money to be made audience to be gained or excitement to be had Telling you that the reason we've had so much inflation the past two years is not primarily because of Joe Biden It's not primarily because of the Democrats It's not primarily because of Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve Primary reason I suspect that we've had you know higher than expected inflation over the past Two two and a half years It's structural right. It's not primarily Joe Biden's fault or Jay Powell's fault and my proof is that Pretty much every first world nation on earth has had you know pretty similar or higher levels of inflation than the United States So when every other first world nation is having Similar levels of inflation that indicates to me it's not primarily fiscal or monetary policy in the United States that this fueling inflation So there's an enormous audience to be gained and excitement to be had telling you that Joe Biden's the most evil president ever And that's what like Dennis Prager panels on his show that you know Joe Biden's just you know horrible man the worst man ever to be president of the United States in in Dennis Prager's lifetime I don't believe that I don't think the personality or the The individual who occupies the White House is that important. There's no money to be made. There is no excitement to be conveyed I'm not gonna get laid telling people That doesn't really matter that much who's president of the United States It matters mildly to moderately now if Donald Trump had been reelected in 2020 I don't think we would have had a war in Ukraine. I think the war in Ukraine is an absolute disaster for Ukraine for Russia for France for Germany for Europe for everybody I think it's a monumental disaster. I think it's 100 times worse than our stupid needless Irresponsible idiotic invasion and occupation of Iraq after in 2003. So I remember after 9-11 there was an explosion of war bloggers like all these bloggers many of them centrists and on the left and people like Andrew Sullivan Matt Welch etc Developing war blogs like pounding the war drums. All right. We need to go to war in Afghanistan We need to go to war against Iraq We need to go to war against radical Islam There's enormous money to be made an audience to be gained and Opportunities to get laid warning about the threats of Islamo fascism All right, but there's no such thing as Islamo fascism, but it was a fantastic fundraiser All right It was a constant theme in idiotic right-wing talk radio like the threat of Islamic fascism But there's no such thing as Islamo fascism fascism was strictly a World War one to World War two movement between the two world wars as a reaction to communism and It's primary development was in Italy possibly Nazi Germany Depending on your perspective was also fascist, but fascist Italy and fascist Nazi Germany Developed only because of the explosion of the Soviet Union and the threat of Soviet totalitarian communism That there hasn't been any meaningful fascism aside from that There's never been a meaningful fascist movement in the United States, but there is money to be made There are audiences to be gained. There are opportunities to get laid preaching about the rising threat of fascism But it's it's bogus There's money to be made there's an audience to be gained there are opportunities to get laid Talking about the crisis in the Middle East and what the United States needs to do about the crisis in the Middle East But if the United States if the Middle East disappeared tomorrow What really have much effect on the well-being of the United States the well-being of the United States? Right doesn't really have much to do with what's going on in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Israel We're probably overly involved in the Jewish state of Israel for our own good and also for Israel's good We would probably be better off with a more distant relationship, but What gets the juices flowing if you're in the foreign policy establishment in the United States You get your juices flowing by intervening overseas By taking actions to tell Ukraine to tell other countries, you know What leaders they should have sabotaging some leaders subsidizing other leaders and they're playing the great game facing off against Russia and China and just constantly intervening in you know crappy countries overseas and End up doing far more harm to American interests than good But that's where the excitement is right if you're in the foreign policy establishment. You're in the blob You get a feeling of importance You wake up in the morning excited You get to go on TV if you counsel restraint if you get counsel non-intervention But think about all the people promoting the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003 None of them paid any price For being so wrong, right? They have just gone on the pundas have just gone on to success to success Jeffrey Goldberg All right promoted invasion of Afghanistan 2001 pushed for the invasion of Iraq in 2003 push for bombing Iran All right, and the guy's just being disastrously rocked on so many things He has a precision position as the chief editor of the Atlantic He's paid no price nor of any of the other pundits for being so disastrously wrong about Afghanistan and Iraq now After 9 11 I was not a war blogger. I was not out there saying we need to go into Afghanistan We need to hunt down Islamo fascism. We need to remake the the Middle East. We need to invade Iraq now. We need to You know nation build in the Middle East and show people how to create democracy and so there was There's no, you know opportunity for me to gain an enormous audience You know abstaining from that kind of talk but after 9 11, you know, the war bloggers just you know went crazy They discovered this this new medium of blogging and it was like let's promote the war so Most of the things that get your juices flowing right they get you really excited and not good for you right believing There's a new world order that's uh, you know instituted these draconian COVID lockdowns because they want to You know commit mass genocide and right it's years now since the the COVID vaccine and have any of the supposed You know deleterious effects of you know mass sterilization and mass death No company the COVID vaccine. No, but there's no there's no energy pointing out these you know common sense observations There's energy and excitement. There's money to be made. There's there are audiences to be gained There are opportunities to get laid by pushing an anti establishment line And I'm not mr pro establishment. I think sometimes the establishment's right Sometimes the establishment's wrong Sometimes the distance are right. Sometimes the distance are wrong It's entirely case by case now. There's the enormous amount of money to be gained There's an enormous amount of audience to be gained and there are enormous opportunities for getting laid If you play into people's sense of victimization if you tell black people Your greatest problems are you know evil white devils, right? You can get you know a lot of Prestige you can gain attention, all right We're all competing here in the attention economy And so getting getting monetary payoffs is only part of the payoffs for doing things like live streaming and social media And writing posts and blogs and sub stacks, right? You can also gain attention But the easiest way to gain attention is to Tell your in-group that they are being victimized tell jews that Christians are screwing them over that non-jews are screwing them over in america All right, there's an enormous jewish audience there tell the tell you know elderly jews in particular the car sacks are coming We need to fundraise to fight anti-semitism. There's enormous money to be made. There's an enormous, you know Audience to be gained and opportunities to get laid. They're promoting The the car sacks are coming. We need to fight anti-semitism Teaching lessons of the holocaust, all right a lot of money to be made audience to be gained opportunities to get laid Now look at the the opportunities that people associated with the cyber weasenthal center and the anti-defamation league have in fighting anti-semitism and fighting bigotry and Teaching the lessons of the holocaust which would be identical to the lessons they teach Even if they're never been a holocaust So there are all these cons, right? It's not just conservatism. That's a massive con The the easiest way is to to make money and to gain an audience and to get laid uh to take advantage of people All right to to show something that's bad for you and bad for them All right, I remember once I was driving along on last year to go boulevard and someone Rearended me at about 20 25 miles an hour and I was in a van His car was totaled But uh my the back of my van was was dented I had my seat belt on I was okay So I could have made Tens of thousands of dollars going to a chiropractor getting a personal injury lawyer and working the system But I didn't want to work the system because I don't like the effect That you know claiming that I've been injured by someone else. I just have no no interest in taking on unnecessary Uh litigation and I have no interest in keeping a focus on myself as a victim Tony Robbins makes occasionally some good points and he strongly advises against carrying out personal injury lawsuits And I didn't strongly advise against carrying out personal injury lawsuits. I think it's entirely situational You know there there's a time and a place for them But I don't want to be in a lawsuit where I am incentivized to build up as large a case as possible that I've been victimized I I just think that's really bad for me and it's really bad for for society And so to you know doing live streaming I've And blogging all right. I frequently focused on the most, you know, adrenaline rich topics But uh, that's not always a good thing Now I love the the Kennedy assassination. All right As much as anyone I I've probably read more than 30 books on the Kennedy assassination And the evidence is overwhelmingly clear that John F Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone But there's no money to be made on that line, right? There's no There's no audience to be gained so if If your appeal depends upon, you know peddling an anti establishment line Is going to inevitably lead you to crazier and crazier conspiracy theories So even if your goal is to do good and increase happiness like a Dennis Prager claims You're inevitably going to you know go down into some rabbit hole of conspiracy theorizing and do you ever see pundits and you know, major conspiracy theorists who get laid and paid For promoting conspiracy theories. Do you ever see them repent for that? Do you ever see them? You know come back and say look I was wrong You don't see that. I mean perhaps the closest example you have is is Richard Spencer Right, but he doesn't really spend much time apologizing even though he was peddling Belief system that was absolutely toxic, right? He was promoting himself as the new viewer Like he was getting hundreds of people to Hile Hitler him What what he did was had a heinous effect on thousands of people's lives And he says, you know almost nothing about how much damage he's done to other people How much damage he did to Donald Trump and to The cause of populism and the cause of maga in this country if you think those are good things Richard Spencer did incalculable amounts of damage But you know don't don't expect him to spend much time thinking a second time about The damage that he's caused But there's no money to be made or audience to be gained now Richard is brilliant with his hot takes in that they compel your attention So the modus operandi Richard Spencer the through line through everything he does is how can I maximize attention? Sometimes he maximizes attention by you know saying, you know thoughtful counterintuitive things But the the underlying ethos the the underlying psychological need You know the personality that his political insights are coming out of Is you know command the most attention for me And that usually does not lead in a good direction Right, that's not usually good for you that the individual or the people who follow such people Now what people like Richard Spencer and Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager and Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan having comment is that they are charismatic They make you feel alive they get your juices flowing But most of what makes your juices flow is is not really good for you From first grade to 12th grade every year Dennis Prager was just automatically elected president of his class because he was just so charismatic And he's been a broadcaster for 40 years and how has he managed to sustain this career by continually saying interesting things How do you continually say interesting things 15 hours a week on a nationally syndicated radio show? You inevitably dip into conspiracy theories that are bogus like this one. I tell you I've not said this on my radio I've not said this publicly till this second Whoa, I for the first time in my life I strongly entertained doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter of John F Kennedy I have defended that notion all of my life. There was one shooter and it was he now I'm not sure that there was one and I'm not even sure it was he This is very bad. It's a bad sign if a guy like me Is starting to contest it but the amount of information That the Warren commission did not allow to be public and still does this government still doesn't Why would they hide any information about the Kennedy assassination? So I have to tell the listeners the story. Dennis knows it because he was there though You might as well not have been there because it was just your wife and me exchanging. Did I get that right? Yes me Right. Thank you. I I struggle with that. I wish I just drop the other name with me You don't say with I know that I for some reason clearly. I'm slow. No, no, you're not slow for me my brain Okay, if you're slow then much of humanity is Nonmoving actually for a joint birthday and christmas present my birthday's in october christmas obviously is in december I'm going to take you to the grassy knoll for 24 hours in dallas We went we went to love field, which is the airport at which um air force one landed We traced the motorcade route that they went down. We went to lee harvey oswald's boarding house Obviously, we went to the sixth floor museum We even went to a corner where officer tippet one of the police officers was shot by lee harvey oswald. We did it all I was struck by how Small the site is because they're taken with the pictures are taken with wide angle lenses and you think it's this massive place No, it's not anyway. That's not the point I was telling sue this story of how I visited the the kennedy assassination site Okay, so sue is dentis prega's wife and Julie hartman, right? She's 23 and as men get older We have a greater and greater need and desire and put more and more of a premium on being admired so What does dentis prega get out of co-hosting a show, you know with a 23 year old, right? It's not the profundity of her insights, right? It's not you know her cutting-edge acuity about current events or morality philosophy or religion. No he gets an admiration machine Just pumps out the admiration. All right. She's joined the dentis prega court and is paying off for her, right? She's a full-time Podcaster she feels in for for dentis prega on his nationally syndicated radio show but at the price of her soul now she's fallen into a cult and The damage that it is steadily wreaking on her is significant and she you remember this dinner She dove in and your and sue prega is like the number one researcher in the united states. She is so smart so well read Yeah, the number one researcher in the united states for coming up with conspiracy theories Right Has she has really bad epistemics. All right. She she can't tell you know truth from a hole in the wall And she gave me one after the other these things that didn't add up and she's right and let me tell Let me guess everything that she comes up with that doesn't add up has been Thoroughly addressed and thoroughly debunked. Someone has just read an endless amount of the kennedy assassination, right? I've read many of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy box, right virtually all of the objections have been debunked. Here's the one That has not been debunked. We don't know enough about What exactly went on when Lee Harvey Oswald went to Mexico City a few weeks before the assassination What exactly went on when he visited the Cuban embassy? So there's something There may be something there that We don't know about and might be important Tell you one very eerie thing that I remember. You know this is a pruder film It's the only film the only film of the assassination If you look it's not okay. It's not the only film the assassination, right? There are 29 Films and people taking photos of the assassination, right? There's other film And pictorial, you know evidence of the assassination not just the pruder film Look at it. It's a terrible video to watch but it's but it's also fascinating There's a first shot and president kennedy leans forward and No, the first shot Didn't hit anyone At the first shot hit the pavement And various law enforcement officers, you know saw that there was you know a bullet have gone into the pavement And they were like, you know, what the heck is that the second shot Went into giant f kennedy's back and then came out his throat here Which is why he is bringing his you know hands It's bringing his hands here to to to his throat, right? That's that's what's uh Going on there Clutches his his um his neck The second shot which again supposedly came from behind Because it was supposedly shot by lee harvey oswald in the sixth floor a museum or depository Now it's museum that it wasn't um From behind but in this pruder film He lunges backwards not forwards if he were shot in the head from behind As is the narrative he would have fallen forwards. That's the way movement and gravity works But in the video that second shot that hit his head his head goes backward Okay, she she doesn't have a clue about what she's talking about and she realized that if she spent a little time Researching this so you know what revelations what evidence has come in that has called You know dennis prager for the first time has strongly entertained out lee harvey oswald was the only shooter of giant f kennedy Or if he was even a shooter of giant f kennedy has absolutely nothing to do with evidence no evidence has come in Right nothing new has been revealed It's just that all the rewards that denise prager gets as a public figure You know the nationally syndicated right wing talk show is to be anti establishment This is the kind of nutty conspiracy rabbit hole that you go down when all your incentives or your rewards Are to reach for more and more conspiracies So dennis says it's a bad sign if a guy like me is starting to contest it. Yes, it's a bad sign But dennis think it's a bad sign about america It's a bad sign about america's political system and america's academia and america's news media Right, but it's really just a bad sign about dennis prager that he is willing to push You know such poison into the american soul for the sake of his own You know feelings of fame and being the center of attention Why would you hide any information about the kennedy assassination well virtually no Important information about the kennedy assassination has been hit To the best of our knowledge about it Right and this idea. Oh The third shot all right. So the third shot from lia harvey oswald is the kill shot blows john f kennedy's head You know white open. So, you know, what's what's going on here? Going on here. All right. So zapruder was one by the way of at least 32 people in daily plaza In dalis who made film or still photographs at or around the time of the shooting So zapruder film is not the only film of the assassination so The second shot right The second shot goes into kennedy's back comes out his throat Then the third shot what truly caused the second shot now. Why does his head go back with the deadly head shot? So I read jerald posner's 1993 book case close Imposed to rights, but if the president was struck in the head by a bullet fired from the rear Then why does he jerk so violently backward on there's a prude film which recorded the assassination to most late people The rapid backward movement at the moment of the head shot means the president was struck from the front And that's what you would think if you don't know much But uh, you had an itek optical system did a computer enhancement of there's a prude film for a cbs Documentary 1967 right so this knowledge has been out there For many decades discovered when the bullet right the final of the three fired by li harvey oswald hit jfk's head Right. He first jerk forward 2.3 inches And then he began his movement backward So why did the president jerk backwards? When hit in the back of the head by a bullet fired from behind him because the bullet destroyed the president's cortex Right that causes a neuro muscular spasm that sends neuro logical impulses from the brain Down the spine through every muscle in the body and the body then stiffens right and the strongest muscles in your body Will predominate and these tend to be the muscles of the back and the neck So that's why when most people encounter a stimulus whether it's a pretty girl smiling at them or a boss frowning at them Or a loud unexpected sound their first reaction is to jerk their head Back and down and to compress their shoulders right because these muscles are the strongest Right, you get a stimulus you're tightening the neck and back so When you're activated unexpectedly Expectedly when you are thinking right when you're thinking really hard When you're straining right you're going to feel a tremendous Incentive to try to tighten your back and neck muscles, which will bring your head back and down onto your spine compressing your spine So with alexander technique we can learn about this fear reflex Right when there's fear reflex of tipping the head back and down onto the spine Shortening the spine When it becomes a habit when it becomes habitual tends to lead people to walk around with a head permanently tilted back To the neck and the shoulders compressed so that makes Movement as well as emotions and and thinking more awkward So freedom comes from letting go from noticing and releasing And inhibiting this unnecessary fight or flight reflex by releasing the tendency Inhibiting the tendency to compress the neck and the shoulders and the consciously free the neck and to release the head To lead your spine into length moving forward and up So the pruder Let's look at the pruder here 3 1 Where do we go? Right film film 3 1 3 frame 3 1 3 Right. This is the head shot to John F. Kennedy. Right. This frame was originally withheld by the editors at life and the pruder 335 John Connolly the governor of Texas. He slumped into his wife's lap Kennedy He's now mortally wounded. He's going to die. He's leaning towards Jackie and that blob on the side of his head Right. That is his skull and his scalp peeling outward and down And this frame was also originally withheld by the editors at life But let's play a little more of this crazy parts That was one of the things that I thought was well, I did not I don't know nearly as much as sue does on this But I'll give you one more If it's true The Warren commission never saw the autopsy pictures Really and that is true and guess what there were Mistakes made by the Warren commission overall the Warren commission did an amazing job But it's a human institution and it was Lord Right. So I went to the National Archives to keep all these things and it's this common misconception that the records relating to the assassination of President Kennedy are in some way sealed the records are largely open available to the research community With few exceptions virtually all of the records identified as belonging to the Kennedy collection have been open in part or in four Now Vincent Biliosi wrote a terrific book reclaiming history about the all the different conspiracy theories about the Kennedy assassination and He knows there was hardly a junior council on the staff who did not harbor or vent His own criticisms of some of the Warren commission's decisions and procedures Right. So one guy complained that the work of the commission staff was hampered here and thereby political Considerations. There were errors of judgments by the commissioners including the chief justice Warren burger There were mistakes ranging from the over zealous marking of evidence as top secret But it wasn't top secret to the lack of direct access to parts of the record That was vital particularly the autopsy photographs and x-rays of president Kennedy's body They're inaccurate reports from all of the investigative agencies including the FBI the secret service and the police in Dallas There were myriad contradictions anomalies false leads that peppered the record Nevertheless Overall the Warren commission still did an amazing job. So what can conspiracy theories? What would be considered conspiracy theories that I think might be true? Probably the the government, you know tap tapping all our phones and emails And some people using that to get rich Using that information illicitly to get rich also Having blackmail over leading political figures So Dennis has to it was speaker of the house Republican speaker of the house of representatives incredibly powerful physician But it must be widely known by people in the know that he had molested boys when he was a high school wrestling coach So they probably held that over has that they probably maneuvered has it into that position because they could control it so I think there's a lot more to the jeffrey eppstein story That I think that sort of blackmail goes on all the time. Here's another example of a you might consider a conspiracy theory Hugh hefner You know videotape tape everything that went on at the playboy mansion There's almost never any bad press about Hugh hefner Because he had blackmail on almost everybody who might have been in a position to write or say negative things about it So I think there's extensive amount of sexual blackmail on people That people like jeffrey eppstein You know accumulate sexual blackmail on people and that Influences the news and important government decisions Far more than we know. So there's there's probably those are probably my two leading conspiracy theories that I believe in That's a little scary if that's true They got they got drawings, but they never got the pictures. Why didn't they get the pictures? All right, look it's a it's a very just the whole thing's disturbing. How did we even get out to the kennedy assassination? Oh, because I usually could trace. I know I usually can too You're talking about your grandfather seeing the horse and buggy and then the man on the moon, right? And then you oh because I said the moon some people think the moon Blending was a conspiracy. That's how we got Dennis a lot If I hate to say it because I don't like to consider myself to be a conspiracy theorist. I've never At least my knowledge entertain them, but a lot of so-called conspiracy theories Have come true remember when it was a conspiracy theory that covet came from a lab And not from a bat that turned out to be true Remember that it was a conspiracy theory that president trump did in fact not collude with the russians in the 2016 election That turned out to be true that he did not collude that there have been several examples. Well, it's getting worse and worse actually The is it a conspiracy theorist only who believes that the world economic forum would like the world to be run by people Who have some centralized authority? It's obvious that they do Anyway, I want to go back to europe for a moment. I wrote one of my columns about The a different sense that I had living there than in america. I have to make this clear I've gone abroad every single year of my life since before your age since 18 only 2020 because there was nowhere to go Even 2021 when it was very hard to go abroad. I did go to hungary to give a speech so I have been I've come back to america vast numbers of times And all of my life Welcome to the welcome to the united states or the immigration officer checking your passport welcome home And I got the chills and I see the american flag And I don't have that anymore. Do you understand what a price that is? See it's this is back to our discussion Who's it worse for the decline of america in every way now your generation? For whom this is your present and maybe future or my generation who has seen the decline? I don't have an answer to the question but but Yeah, let's get a little uh richard spencer here talking about uh chuck chuck johnson maintaining southern pride That should be done just as like good measure good neighborly working order But increasingly when they're like flying the stars and bars in israel right during their netnyahu pro netnyahu protests Or when they are like making these homages to you know Calling for a national divorce, which is a marjorie taylor green talking plane like fuck these people like they're not um They need to be humiliated again, and they need to be reminded of like who won the war and this is kind of like I mean again, we have a vice president from indiana Who is an irishman right like his family again? Like wasn't in the country when the civil war was going on and he's talking about bringing back a fort rag And it's like no fuck you like you know, you have no business in this You know, um, I don't know it's just it's maddening to me that like these people are even allowed to have a Like we would not tolerate somebody who was an immigrant coming like 10 minutes ago lecturing us on like the civil war You know it's it's absurd You know and like we had this guy the that rama swami or whatever his name is Like lecturing us about affirmative action, and it's like bro. You showed up 10 minutes ago Like you don't get you don't get a say in these things Yeah, yeah, charles listen. I resonate with what you're saying, but like it's You're just like gloviating here. I mean this welcome to the united states of america You know, I think I think that we who are legacy americans shouldn't just like give up this territory Well, I get it. There's there's something fundamentally wrong in the way this country was conceived that this is even possible And it is possible and it's already happened And so like I don't I mean, you know, there's this weird like kind of the kind of wasp Like nostalgia or racialism in the united states like at some point you need to reach the conclusion That this country is antithetical to what you want. Oh, so I don't agree with that at all Like I think when ben Shapiro Starts making claims about like, you know, which flag people fought for in world war two when his family was like in europe We should be reminding them of their place in the debate And I don't think that but ben Shapiro is ultimately part of a multi-billion dollar organization Yeah, but that can be taken but that can be taken from him inflects the minds of white americans more than we do Yes, and that can and should be taken from him. I totally endorse it, but like You know needless to say I endorse that but like we've just got to understand We've got to like get back into reality and not just like no, I don't think we're getting on our high horse I think we're making a very like when I make when ben Shapiro lectures You know lectures those of us who have family that like were decorated in world war two while his family was in europe um like When he pretends to speak for america We should be reminding him that like he doesn't get a claim in this conversation It would be like it would be like a white person telling a black person about slavery It's like no like you don't get like if you don't have any connection to that history Well, many white people do have a connection to slavery. They know quite a bit about it Yeah, I understand your point. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's a certain level of like actually like There are heritage americans or legacy americans I know but this look this country like do you not grasp that there is something like fundamentally problematic about the very conception of the united states Yeah, this is where you and I part ways a lot of great things. It actually has allowed it to succeed in many ways I am fair. I'm not just some like anti-american like Reactionary it's it's allowed it to succeed, but you it also will kind of probably ultimately bring it down Oh, so I don't agree with this. I think that what is saving the united states right now are wasps americans like That very well might be the gelton white house for people who have connections I mean people that might be the case, but like there is an internal program Within the united states that is going to like displace those people on behalf of bueback rama shawami. Yeah, I don't agree with that I think that I think I think that there's a vision that there's a lie that basically a lot of people have that We're a nation of immigrants and I don't believe that for a second I think that the the scene from the good shepherd where it's like, what do you people have? You know the united states of america and the rest of you all are just visiting like I think that that is true And it certainly comports with my understanding of how like the world really works like when it really comes down to it What people want from the heritage americans and legacy americans is leadership And for many years like our wasp classes have like hung out with their second or third wives drinking their third or fourth martinis I think most people are not gonna Put their their primary importance on who heritage americans and who are not people will give their allegiance And listen to people who are effective to give them good vibes Who are in positions of power and influence? Right people aren't going to you know tally up who's who's more of a heritage american All right, so to the extent that ben Shapiro is successful It's because he's meeting people's needs right to the extent that the vivek rama shawami or opera Or joe rogan are successful is because you know they're meeting people's needs whether they're meeting their needs through encouraging delusions but the power of Being a legacy american is just not going to be overwhelming for most americans It's not their primary consideration. What's primary consideration for most people is what's best for me? and for my family right and You know who's the legacy american and who has more claimed to be a legacy american It's just simply not how the world works and i'm coming back here a thousand times if i have to make this point I mean when these idiots look up in the sky They see a face like mine looking down at them at the country club But like we saw what that got us right that got us the presidency of donald trump and really a jared kushner And it got us a kind of looting of the treasury and it got us like where we are now And so i think what's happening is that just as in all moments of crisis Like there are people who are rising up and coming back and basically like making it clear Who's in charge and who's not in this country and you know one of the great I mean joe biden is one such person right like the nomal arty tour like couldn't I mean was there ever any more waspish sentiment than that? I mean he he larps his n Irishman But we all kind of know that he's very British to the core um So yeah, I mean I I honestly think of it like we've kind of allowed the multi-culti You know anything goes or whatever kind of thing to go on But like it's time to be serious about like who's in charge. Yeah, yeah, churls I mean I hate to sound like a conservative here, but like there was a gay pride dienisian Like mystery cult festival on the white house lawn this past weekend Just as a reminder about how serious these people are and who cares Well, I I kind of I kind of agree with you in a way. I don't care because I'm so like over it But like let's just not pretend that And question in the chat. Why is churls johnson so delusional because it's exciting Because I mean I've had my own chair of delusions and so to the extent that uh, what's going on with churls johnson Mirrors by own experience. It's very exciting to be cutting edge to telling tough truths that no one else is saying also churls johnson's a very intelligent man who has Has been incredibly influential at times to introduce matt gates To his wife churls johnson played a significant role in who was selected to go to work for the trump administration All right. He's not a nobody Right. This man has had his finger many stories. He's been way ahead of the curve on many stories But everyone's a mixed back, right? I don't dismiss charles johnson because he overstates some things He's wrong about some things. I think he's delusional about some things He's also way ahead of the curve on a lot of things. So There's a lot of nonsense when you listen to charles johnson and read charles johnson But in in the nonsense there are some gold nuggets These are ultimately serious people. They're like ultimately able to rule this stuff No, I mean let the queers fly their rainbow flag. Who cares? Well, I get that but like there was something Shockingly, so why does charles johnson always act like he holds secret knowledge about literally everything because he does hold more secret knowledge than almost anyone we know and He's probably more likely to spill it than almost anyone we know the price of You know listening to charles johnson is you have to you know put out with a lot of nonsense, but you're On a fairly regular basis You know get some real insight into what's going on that you will not hear anywhere else Right. He's the type of man who can change history, right? Because he's very intelligent He does know a lot of secret information And he knows A lot of people right and he has abilities to you know form connections with You know very powerful very influential people and so Don't be surprised if charles johnson, you know dominate some future news cycle And just because he's wrong about some things and delusional about some things Doesn't mean that he doesn't also bring some valuable information to the party at times Official about it all that I think a lot of people were reacting to and I really understand them in a way I mean again, I don't dwell on any of the stuff because I'm just so over it And whatever but like And why is richard just so over it because it's no longer going to Give him an audience give him income and you know make him incredibly influential or a powerful person Right because it has no utility For his you know magnification And sanctification of himself. That's that's why he's so over it that's That's what I think anyway, right play a little bit more it's a real thing and I don't like I guess I'm just ultimately much more like I'm much more hostile Towards very core ideas That have been around in america for a very long time I am I'll just be honest hostile towards the Puritanical element that has been with united I mean I'm much more like open towards the cavalier You know washington jefferson slave owning types Despite some of their rhetoric, isn't that that's your stock too, right? Didn't your family come from virginia? Yes, sort of but I'm very hostile towards like a lot of elements in this country and like our fundamental like soft power State ideology Ultimately is like global homo. I mean, let's let's just be the question is like what is wrong with global homo? A lot Well, I mean people always say this right but like I look at a world in which we had all these closeted queers being blackmailed Like no, I get that I get this Charles that I don't out of the closet let them dance around I kind of agree with this like contrarian hot steaks to be honest But like you're you're just you're you're trying to like do you think joe biden respects people to judge? Oh, probably not. Yeah, not no probably about it. Okay Like do you think that anyone sees it sees him as anything other than a joke, right? And the same goes there I mean because he's because joe biden is an emperor and an emperor has people to pay him tribute So all the guys you do want tribute paid by some like Because he had Well, because he had I mean he had all this money that came in through all the weird tech jews that backed him and all the mckinsey weirdos Okay, I mean the same thing with like joe biden basically knows that kamala harris is a hoe Right and he put her as his vice president to have her go shake down silicon valley for money for his campaign Because he didn't want to go and deal with those people Right, so like there's this view like all right You give the you give the homos like a parade on the lawn, right? Who cares let them parade around and like do their thing and then they'll leave and who will be sitting in the commander-in-chief chair Right, I mean it doesn't matter. It's like one of these things where it's like It's the symbolic bullshit of like, you know, it's one thing if it's cool I get your perspective like I I get that it I agree that it's symbolic bullshit But sometimes the symbolic bullshit Can kind of like see then to the point where you believe in the symbolic board bullshit I mean, I think that's been like the history. I mean, do you believe it? Of course, I don't believe it Okay, does anyone here really believe it? No, we're not representative. Yeah, but it's like look it's just like it's tons of americans believe in this kind of like You know, it's it's ultimately like what christianity has become. It's like jesus's covenant is like love love one another guy like This is this resonates. I think there's a shit little like I'll give you an example All right, so there was this there was this woman I was seeing who was a nurse during the 2020 black lives matter craziness, okay, and she's like, you know lily white chick Uh, I think she's like I was not totally sure she's like indeterminate white race, right? And yeah, she was really fun at ever over whatever we do those things that you do right after you get out of the divorce Determinate what you know, I'm talking about that. She's like she's like some kind of white ethnic You're not really sure. It's kind of rude. You're not totally sure. Anyway, whatever. It doesn't matter But the the black lives matter like riot started taking place And we'll call it. We'll call her uh, I don't call her Courtney for the purposes of this uh this thing No, we'll call her bethany. That's even better. So bethany, you know post this You know black lives matter sticker on her instagram and I see it I'm like, you know, what's up with this, you know, um, you know, what are you doing here? I was like, do you actually believe this shit? And she goes, no, but my boss did it and like some of my friends did it. So whatever who cares and No, but but that is that is how most americans actually are they are okay, whatever You need me to like wear the flag pin that's like of the queers. Yes, or whatever a lot of americans really believe In this googly gobly nonsense about like all people being equal and loving one another I mean, this is again, like again, I guess I'm getting real deep here But a lot of people talk about this stuff as like a replacement religion or something I mean, this is christianity like this is what christianity has always been about and it's why like I'm dedicating my life to annihilating abrahamic religions by demoralizing them with the very core. Good luck. Maybe you'll be the first No, I'm not the first to try but like I mean this will happen because this is like they're all going out Let's just be frank about the fact that all of this googly gobly nonsense directly appeals to most people Nah, you know, I think I think it's one of these baddest things in life Okay, I want to play some excerpts from a conversation between the two posts of decoding the gurus couple of lefty academics This is chris cavanoff speaking first. He's irish and matt brown psychologist from australia Jung who is a joining peterson fan and I debated with him about joining peterson to some extent and actually Even before all the rfk stuff happened we talked about You know the role of the beating to address scientific issues and If you listen if that thing ever comes out or its own channel You'll hear all the same arguments that came up the next day being discussed ahead of like the rogan thing happening. So it's quite funny Hmm But we have a slight difference of opinion about the value of debates, don't we? I mean you have a positive opinion because you enjoy arguing. I have the correct opinion that they're useless Uh because they obviously are No, I don't think you agree. Yeah, we don't sadly we don't have a strong disagreement with us because I don't think in general they are Like they're absolutely knowing debates are compelling. They're entertaining. They are not usually terribly useful in establishing truth So let me play a little bit more here from These blokes that decoding the gurus like they maintain the sense of grievance and that's that's the bit that I've going to find I think it could stay with us. Which is that they're just they're just adding to this big dossier of of You know how we was wronged and it's it's like I tweeted about this But but it's very much like the you know, the world war one german conspiracy stabbed in the back theory about Which was this this You know, basically, you know, this this theory that the that the jews and the elites or whatever You know, we could have won world war one But we were never defeated on the field but we're stabbed in the back by these surrender monkeys And they're the people to blame for everything that's going on I mean that kind of resentment theory Can persist for a long time and lay the groundwork for for new things Um for the new rhetoric. So it seems like the the whole coded Thing now has that role for them. Yeah, I I saw a tweet by destiny Which I like um where he you know, he basically said there's been no mass deaths no birth defects no mass sterilizations No, uh permanent lockdowns all the list of you know, the things that people were saying were going to happen None of it has happened and it doesn't matter right like it's that's the thing you should focus on But like you say there's an alternate reality where they were all proven correct about like everything that they claim But I think a little bit that that's priced in to some extent now Like you're you can see that that narrative has like taken hold on the right and they the actual facts are kind of Independent from you know, the and if that's the case, then I don't know how many more they're gonna suck in Okay, so you can't have This is I think they're giving a useful but superficial perspective You can't have a strong in-group identity Without it also being accompanied by a strong sense of victimization, right? You strongly identify as a jew You will strongly identify with the suffering of the jewish people And the stronger your in-group identity the more likely you will be to have negative feelings about outgroups The stronger your christian identity The more you will think about and feel christian suffering and the more enemas you'll have towards Uh non-christian, so there is no strong in-group identity without a tremendous sense of how your group has been victimized right ties Are wonderful, but ties as jonathan hyde points out bind and blind right when you build up your in-group identity you become blind to The the suffering of outgroups. It just ceases to matter to you But you can't have a strong in-group identity without taking on this sense of victimhood And it's not something that's unique to the right right people on the left have it blacks have it jews have it homosexuals have it white christians have it the japanese have it But every strongly identifying in-group has intense feelings of victimization and negative feelings about outgroups And having a strong in-group identity is a wonderful way to lead a life You know, I love it as a convert to orthodox Judaism. I love my strong in-group identity I gotta admit though, you know, it binds me and it blinds me Right, I don't lose much sleep over arab suffering muslim suffering even though arabs and muslims have suffered terribly But because there are group conflicts between jews and arabs and muslims In particular over the modern jewish state of israel all right in The aftermath in the in the presence of that ongoing conflict All right, I primarily just think about my my own side and the suffering of my own side and the victimization of my own side With with that view because like you say, I think like if you're on the right That's your narrative about what happened in in covid But that was also your narrative during the pandemic, right? Like so are there many people now and lockdowns aren't still going on You know, like mask wearing has been kind of reduced in in most places as an obligatory practice So I think the the kind of reaction that a lot of libertarian types had it's it's losing power because It's not happening Right, they they can't they talk about the australian death camps anymore because they're not there Yeah, no, I hear what you're saying I think it is I think it is priced in and the people that wanted to feel grievance and resentment as I felt at the time and if they wanted if you want to be angry and feel resentful towards some villains, um, who done you Well, they didn't they don't understand any in-group identity is going to come with an intense feeling of victimization It's not just some right thing Right wing thing, right? It's just it's just the way that The social identity works I so that's sorry my I saw comment by adam who was pointing out that, uh, you know, uh, mccanae is a multi-millionaire So like why why do it, right? Like why are they doing it? And I think the thing to note here is what our friend coffee zilla mentioned which is compared to us At mccanae is fabulously wealthy and doesn't need anything, right? He could just do nothing for the rest of his life and he'd be extremely rich But he lives in an environment surrounded by all the rich people including like self-help multi-millionaire moguls And like there's there's the two things. There's the one about like his baseline is all our rich millionaires, right? So that The more money thing can all is all relative But the second thing is, uh, you know, a lot of people who are financially stable Whenever or even like fabulously wealthy they really want something else, right? Because they're not just satisfied by being wealthy like they need Other things to make them feel like they have meaning and that's why you see, you know tech pros like jack dorsi Going off the meta in caves or mark Zuckerberg waxing like all about Brazilian jiu-jitsu now, right? Like they they need to have a sense of meaning and spirituality Um to to be more than just like somebody with a high bank balance I think so it's it is a similar dynamic to why do you find wealthy well educated people joining cults? Um, because they want magic in the world. So, yeah Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, like people like someone like trump for instance would would feel Like even though he's fabulously wealthy compared to people like you and me He would feel subjectively nowhere near wealthy enough because he's comparing himself to people with serious serious money And would like to be able to lord it over them. So whatever your social milieu You're gonna be comparing yourself to them. I mean, I see this amongst my family and people and I know that You know drive Mercedes-Benz and said their kids to the very expensive schools and suddenly There's run by other people that drive a slightly more expensive model Mercedes-Benz and their kids are going Okay, you want more dennis and julie you get more dennis and julie discuss it a little bit last episode Why is it that american Youngsters and not even just young just americans are more jaded than it seems the people who you observed in in europe By the way, is it right to say europe romania and vulgarity? Totally. That's just eastern europe eastern europe, okay? um I was saying this to you last night on the phone. It's very difficult right now to be young It's always difficult in some ways to be young, but especially now So why is there this big having all these private, you know, you know daily phone calls text messages There were the a 23 year old woman because she gives him the The admiration that uh, we aging men just strongly strongly crave because Again, as I said to you on the phone What is the incentive to work hard when merit? Oh, I want you to know something I'm sorry for interrupting, but you will be happy in this case. I cited you on my radio show Oh with that point that point is bloody brilliant. Thank you We this is what I said I said Okay, I gotta tell you the whole you'll let me just tell you what it is. I'm sorry. You're right. Yes No, no, no, just because I've listened to dennis and julie and we do this because we know each other's thoughts But just so the listeners know and then I'll shut up Is is what is the incentive for young people to work hard if merit is no longer the principal thing that you are being rewarded for If every program is just we're going to take x amount of transgender people x amount of black people x amount of Yes women and and I'll tell you another thing There's that there's not an incentive to work hard because merit is no longer being rewarded as much as it was But also because this goes with the jadedness thing People my age are paralyzed by fear because they're so afraid that one thing they may say or do will get them cancelled And so they think I nope. I'm not going to go there in class I'm not going to challenge my classmates opinion in front of this section because then they and this happens Classmates will will go on social media and post pictures of people who they have heard or seen say Uh conservative things and say unfollow this person cancel this person They were big I mean literally we live in the age of there are some individuals who engage in that public humiliation So no wonder we're jaded. Anyway, go ahead. That's another huge point I would like to return to at some point So I want to make this is what I said on my show you you'll really like this because aside from you My citing you because it was such a great point and I want to explain to people why it's a great point But first So I am working on the fourth book of my five-book commentary on the five books of moses the Torah the penta took the first five Books of the bible It's called the book of numbers. It's a boring name in english and he wrote it's called in the wilderness Most people are not familiar with the book of numbers, but it is it is incredibly incredibly interesting and important as all five books are anyway, I'm up to chapter 27 and in the chapter is One line and you know how much I show might be pregnant in one line because you such a I'm so delighted avid reader of my bible commentary So it speaks about you know, there were two brothers moses and erin So erin had a son erin had three sons actually Two two died at the hand of god. It's a separate issue. But one was the high priest So he succeeded erin who was the high priest his son succeeded erin But moses's sons did not succeed neither succeeded moses And who did a man named joshua? He was the successor to moses And joshua was not only not related to moses Joshua was you have a different tribe than moses Why did god pick joshua and it says why because he was he was such an excellent man. He was a courageous man Look, there are advantages to choosing You know leaders on merit. There are also advantages to having things just hereditary right kings and queens tend to be a hereditary position so Different approaches have different advantages and disadvantages. It's not like you know one approach is always the best He was one of the two spies who differed with the other spies who said canan can't be conquered I know how to get into detail, but he's a very great man And this is the point that I make This in one fell swoop killed one of the most Powerful impediments to progress Choosing people not by merit Well said. Oh, it's it's huge joshua became moses's successor Not because of family not because of blood not because of paying off anything merit period end of issue It started with that story moses's sons We hear nothing about must have bothered moses erin's son to succeed at him Why didn't my son or one of my two sons at least succeed me? Not necessarily a lot of parents don't want their their children succeeding them a lot of parents think their kids are idiots A lot of parents are threatened by their own children's success Because there was a guy with more merit named joshua And that we are undoing the bases of civilization I now have another book for you to read because you read books like people eat candy bars They do with the same joy except this is more lasting and it's it's titled who prospers Yes, laurencee harrison I read this many years ago and he asks the greatest question most important question Why do some societies prosper and others don't yes this guy spent his life He's an it was american scholar thinker. He spent his life with us aid. That's our I can tell you why some societies prosper while others don't right society is filled with high acu people They prosper Right just that one factor accounts for about 70 percent of the variation in economic growth Just the average acu of society Right one little test Counts for about 70 percent of variation in economic prosperity And and with economic prosperity comes you know power and influence in the world So it's not because of uh, familism or this book that uh, dennis is citing Or a big uh international aid thing and he was in latin america most of his life And the head of the missions in various countries and he asked a great question Why is north america successful in south america latin america or central america not successful? And this was one of his biggest reasons they have familism We don't you want to give a job in in latin america? You give it to your son your son-in-law your cousin your uncle. You're this you're that in america You gave it to the best guy totally. We are going backward The whole anti-merit thing and that's when I cited you the whole anti-merit thing is backward You cannot prosper as a society if you don't reward merit period end of issue. You can't you know that there's an asian student He he had what was what is the highest score on s18? Oh, I saw this. What is the highest possible 1600? He had a 1590 1590 And he was rejected by six colleges. Yep. Oh, it's total discrimination. Oh total. It's because he's asian Harvard did this to jews in 1930s. There were too many jews That's a very famous story. Yeah, so so the the united airlines is reserving half of its places for pilots to women and men Okay, so that asian kid with a 1590 sat he's gonna be just fine. All right In the united states today because of affirmative action and other things now merit is not the only determinant of success in life It merit has never been the sole determinant of success in life But this asian kid with a 1590 sat score, I'd say the odds are 99 percent that he's going to do quite well in life In fact, I would say the odds are 99 percent that he would do better than those who got into the ivy league in his place on the basis of affirmative action Minorities not to the best pilots to women in minorities. They may be great. They may not be The and the left of course the left crushes everything it touches and the issue is another example Anti-merit means the end of the society in which you live We will now go. Okay. This idea that the left crushes everything it touches. All right America's educational system is controlled by the left It's also the best in the world. All right different races in america score higher in test results than These the same races anywhere else in the world. So There's an audience to be gained There's money to be made Right telling people how awful our public schools are and how evil teachers unions are our public schools Our educational system is doing a damn good job Is a flawed? Yeah, right. There are there are problems with it But overall compared to other nations on this planet United States of america's educational system is the best america's health care system overall is the best Other nations in the world free ride of america's health care system Where do you think medical innovations come from? England, france, germany, japan, china No, overwhelmingly medical innovations technological innovations come from america new pharmaceutical drugs come from america All right, the future is not created in london In paris in frankfurt in beijing or tokyo the future is overwhelmingly created in three american cities las angeles san francisco new york city Right, it was best universities are in america Go backwards. We will go into a pre mosaic world of nepotism and in this case not by family but by race gender and Okay, just because we have affirmative action in america. We're not going to go backwards into a pre mosaic world We're not going to fall apart because we have affirmative action affirmative action by definition is Limited right you can't give everybody affirmative action Right, it's it has to be you know don't out here don't out there right america's going to survive Affirmative action right we're going to be a little less economically efficient Educationally efficient due to affirmative action, but uh, we'll be just fine Right, so Is there a much of an audience telling people we're going to be just fine? No, you can get a much bigger audience telling people the apocalypse at hand That the end of the world is upon us Now everything is falling apart that the you know other side politically is an absolute disaster When you know truth be told in some situations, you know the most left-wing communist response is the most adaptive to some situations in other situations the most right-wing response is the most adaptive and in some situations, you know the the Policy is pushed by the left are more adaptive than policies pushed by the right in other situations Policy is pushed by the right are more adaptive that which cannot continue won't So even people on the left don't like the surge in homelessness and crime that the united states is going through So we're going to have a blowback to the disastrous policies that were instigated and inspired by the horrific terrorist black lives matter movement Let me play a little bit more here from denises red sexual orientation So your point i want to explain to people why it was such a great point when We oppose dropping merit. We we think of it being unfair to those who strive for merit But your point is it's just as unfair to the ones who benefit because they won't work Okay affirmative action does not mean dropping merit. It means Reducing the the power of merit. So instead of merit deciding 100 percent of outcomes with affirmative action It only perhaps decides 90 percent or 95 percent of outcomes Hard that was a great great point Okay, and because we have affirmative action. It doesn't mean that people will cease to work hard All right people who work hard and have merit are going to succeed even in a system of affirmative action I hadn't thought of it joules and that is a big deal So I just wanted to commend you but that's exactly what's going to happen So two things happen the society will suffer because merit will no longer be the reason for anything At any position any any quote-unquote achievement Merit will no longer be the reason for anything merit will because of affirmative action Suddenly it will play no role in the united states of america putting a dentist prayer I mean this is such a ridiculous childish idiotic stupid nonsensical bizarre Thing to say but the incentives are you say these crazy things because you've got an audience eager to hear This nonsense because it reinforces their loathing of the other side of the political spectrum And secondly it says to people it says to the ones who work hard Don't bother working hard because we're not choosing by merit and it says to the to the minority Whatever the minority is called sexual or gender or race There's no reason to work hard. You're going to get ahead just because of your gender or race And that was the dentis and julie show no it's such a Right. So even with affirmative action you think that the beneficiaries of affirmative action will truly succeed in life if they never work hard But even beneficiaries of affirmative action will have to work hard if they get to succeed in life Yes, everything that you said it is spot on If you follow the merit Everything you just said is it's spot on right? That's that's why you you co-host the show with someone who's pretty in 23 And and she's constantly telling you how everything you're saying is just so brilliant and so wise Correct route. It's actually the most Equate well not equity. I don't like a word equity, but a quality inducing diversity rewarding situation that you it will bring about all of these Values and these outcomes that the left proclaims that they want Yeah, so now she's arguing That deciding things on merit will bring about diversity and all the outcomes that the left won't well If different people's have different gifts Right, it's not going to bring about diversity, right? Some groups are going to be really good at certain Business sectors and they're just going to absolutely dominate them Right, do you think that that many black families will be able to operate small businesses and out compete You know Korean American family businesses Japanese American family businesses Chinese American family businesses, but not many will be able to out compete you know the the Formation of the you know and the commitment and the the diligence Of the you know hard-working Asian family, right? Different groups different people have different gifts I really believe that if that if we encourage and create an environment where people can Prosper and based on on their merit, then we will see representation. We will see black But it's absolutely no reason to believe it just completely fatuous assertions here But this is the kind of nonsense that conservatism incorporated Promotes because conservatism generally speaking refuses to accept that different people's have different gifts And so they think oh if we just decide things on merit then we're going to have you know massive amounts of diversity and You know everything's going to be wonderful Wait, you're going to have large swaths of society that are not diverse if things that just Decided on the basis of of merit and accomplishment In you know Leadership position, you know, they say you know how many house of representatives members are but we will see all of the things that we The left claims to well you've been through Prager you you see how diverse But and there is no affirmative none none. Okay. I have a few yeah come on really you really think I mean Dennis Prager often has said on his radio show that You know, he would practice affirmative action in favor of black people That you you hear the very different way he treats black callers. He's much more kind and understanding and gentlemen And nurturing towards black callers, you know holds them to a completely different standard than any other type of callers Come on. Do you honestly think that prager you has no affirmative action going on Few thoughts. Um, the first one I just said is is prince. I mean Julie Hartman. I like her But she wouldn't have a job without a type of affirmative action here She doesn't hold her job on the basis of the merit of her insights Dennis Prager does not hold a job on the basis of the merit of his insights And he holds a job on the basis that he provokes Certain feelings in people who are conservative He has a job because he produces what sounds like profundity and moves people that they are getting something really deep and profound Uh, Julie, you know meet some need but more she's Showing that hey, you know conservatism can be you know hot and hip and and cute and young and blonde and It's about one that there will be diversity if we if you do merit you and the Torah commentary I just have to say it's such a winning combination because the Torah is so wise and you are so wise and there is yeah How come I never get that? How can I never hear the chat? Oh 40 you're just The bible is so wise and your biblical commentaries are just so wise. It's such a winning combination Right, this is why she has a job, right? There was a a senior vice president cbs news whose Primary job was to flatter den rather right in all sorts of organizations where you have a star There are lots of people who are employed whose primary purpose is just to flatter You know the star And so juli hopman's primary purpose at Salem is to flatter the star and Dennis Prager is so needy for flattery That uh, he's you know set up a full-time position for his flatterer in chief Hey, you think one would be embarrassed But when you have you know overwhelming needs for flattery and admiration right they Supercede your best judgments look it's a lot easier for me to do a show You know like jim goes out in that massacre get a thousand live viewers You know give you know hot anti-establishment takes, you know build up my my viewership my income You know the the reward for doing a show is not just you know money. It's attention. It's connection. It's interaction It's uh meeting people it's having people tell oh, wow, you know such an amazing take You know going against the establishment on on covid vaccines jfk or whatever. So that's There's there's a huge reward It's much more difficult To produce things that will have a smaller audience because you're not pushing a toxic product and do you have the portitude and the maturity to appreciate yourself to appreciate When you do good or strive to do good and even though it's not as you know easily Appealing and and compelling is when you're pouring poison into america's soul like you know denison julie unfortunately frequently do but You can reach a level of maturity where you don't need your company to hire someone to flatter you for time right you don't need to Produce content that gets you know big views By you know pushing something that's really bad for you and and for other people Right you can learn to give yourself the attention that you so yearn from Pretty young women right i can give myself this attention All right, it's a lot easier to get it from you know the julie hartman's of the world But i can grow up and i can say hey 40. Good job. All right. I was wide awake at 2 a.m. This morning I tried to stay in bed, but it was the final day of the ashes just an amazing of the final day of the first ashes test It's just an amazing conflict Between the australian and english cricket teams and it was due to start at 3 a.m And i had things that i wanted to write on my blog so i was up at about 2 15 a.m Had my one cup of coffee And i just started You know working on on my blog And you know making notes for this show And i took my cold shower i had my supplement i had my madaphanel I i did some exercises i did you know prayer meditation I did my 12 step work you know got aligned spiritually and it's like good job 40 you're doing all these good things you're going to Make a show out of these points and to the extent that your show has any effect on people it will have A positive effect you're going to make some blog posts that make some good points that people need to hear And to the extent that you know anyone read your blog It's going to have you know a positive effect you are increasing their clarity And you know good epistemics in the world I took care of my body my soul my psyche my spirit I you know did all these good things i you know went out today i i earned over you know 300 dollars You know legally morally you know did the did the right thing by people Uh came home you know knocked out a show even though i was up at 2 a.m You know still got the energy to do a show here because i think i've got you know something useful and important Uh important for some people to hear i'm not saying that everyone hearing this is you know just getting their mind blown by my amazing insights But i think there will be you know some people that will get some benefit from this and so I am able to give myself all that admiration That uh julie hartman is you know pouring under denis preger now it's not as easy but i recognize that the The series of wins that i've made throughout the day from the time i got up this morning to Okay got up and got going i blasted into the day at about 2 15 a.m. All right, that's a win coach out That's a win uh knocked out three blog posts right that's you know that's a win and uh Speaking of winners Blessing bro blessings blessings Listen all right. Listen luke. I'm worried about you sleeping on the floor. This is possibly problematic How is your hips? Your hips get um ground you're sleeping on your side on the floor. You're gonna put a lot of stress on your hip My hips are ground bro. I wish I could show you like the the ease and the joy i have with movement Because i do strain counter strain I exercise it every morning to let go of unnecessary tension and then I you know practice the alexander technique So I feel so good bro I was up at 2 15 and yet i'm pumping with energy and i'm free look at you know my face head neck back relationship Like i'm a 57 year old man and i virtually never have any physical aches and pains All right, you win you win Okay, sorry about eating uh But so I um had an interesting day today. Um remember my tales of my sort of um delinquent quote unquote employee yes so We got into a big row and We couldn't communicate with one another and every every conversation that we had Was oral you know it was on the phone and I kept making a point right That he would refuse to accept because it didn't were down to his benefit, right The point he was making was within his interest right yep And I presented him with the objective facts of the situation, right And it was like nothing would penetrate like He couldn't he couldn't contemplate My side of the story he had his story side of the story He was locked into it and wouldn't wouldn't um Wouldn't relent from it wouldn't Take on board what I was saying right And so I said I said listen we can't talk on the phone anymore. Let's communicate only in writing because you know Obviously I want to create a paper trail for a conversation, right, but he wouldn't do that he wouldn't commit to writing and Is that a tactic that you ever use when you add an in-pass with someone? I think you know at times. I mean I I make sure to document things like I Try to operate as though, you know everything I say and do will you know show up in court one day and on the front page of the New York Times, so I put a lot of things in email to Document And I'm careful not to put other things in email or text, you know I I text and I email with the consciousness that this could you know show up in court or show up in some kind of expose But yeah, I think the primary thing here Elliott. I just want to give you my opinion I think the primary thing here is that where you're at right now I think it's a really bad idea for you to have employees I think there's some kind of dynamic that you have with Alcoholics and the equivalent that's really bad for you I think you're right. I think you're right. I've learned this lesson I learned this lesson every two or so years, you know and somehow Somehow, you know, I think you know this time may be different, you know and I don't I don't want to say like he's been all negative but um I do think that People look to me and they see they see a victim, you know, I see something they can use right and You know, it's like I I keep following this thing if I show someone a kindness, right? I show someone a generation some generosity I think it would be reciprocated with but no it encourages more repatiousness on their part and so You know, I sort of got duped But you know, I was able to sort of mitigate the damage to a certain degree more so than I have in the past But the question is like I do need to like hire people eventually if I'm going to really like make this thing work I do need to hire people because there's like There's so much work to do, you know You need to hire someone who's going to help You know, you have the corrective experiences. So you don't have these type of relationships anymore So I don't know who that is could be a yoga teacher You know could be a You know life coach it could be A relative it could be a carpenter. I have no idea But something needs to be it seems to me something needs to realign with you in how you relate to other people who Particularly who are employees that there's something something not aligned Within you and it's just going to cause you enormous enormous trouble If this doesn't get realigned I totally agree and like so where do I see how do I realign? Who would I talk to? Like, you know, it's not like in going Craigslist and someone say, you know, I need help realign Deluckening myself. I would think of ways to phrase it and put it into google or youtube. So Um, just off the top of my head. Not sure this is accurate. Like why do I track? Why do I track alcoholics? Why do I track under owners? Why do people take advantage of me? Why do I keep getting screwed over? Why do I? You know act against my own best interest with regard to addicts or Some combination of these questions and and see what you See see what resonates All right. Yeah Because these horrible relationships are meeting a need in you. It's like here's an analogy. I think they're not they're not They're totally not me. No, but they are they are like when I came to la in 1994 And I started going to acting and modeling auditions I fell for a whole bunch of scams, but every one of those scams met a need in me to feel important They fed a delusion that I could have a career as an actor in a model And so I forked over hundreds and eventually thousands of dollars to feed this delusion And so these these destructive painful relationships. They are meeting in you some Some need that you have some delusion that you have and I don't know exactly what it is But you got to ask yourself what need have like how is this relationship similar to other relationships and and what part of you is is having a need met by having drama and excitement and danger and being taken advantage of and You know, do you get to feel high on rescuing people? For example, a lot of people I I once rescued a woman She was basically living on her sister's couch and I brought her back to my place And the high of rescuing her and she was cute and we had great sex and you know, I took her out And she was totally devoted to me that that high of rescuing her was just incredible And so do you get a high from rescuing people? Well, I wouldn't call it so I was trying to rescue. I don't Yes, you're presenting a very valid psychological profile And it's definitely one that participated in the past But I wasn't doing that Well, at least to my knowledge, I don't think I was doing that I needed some help I asked a guy, no You know anybody looking for a little bit of, you know, side work And he said, yeah, here's this guy. I said, okay, right? I was just Trusting the quality of my relationship with with with the referer That he would refer me to a quality referee so he came with sort of a imprimatur of This mutual this friend of mine, right? And so Um So yeah, so like Yes, I was very lenient There's something about being lenient. So I think I Gravitate towards I'm not able to be strict You know, there are some girls there are some women who get raped a lot Right, they they go on dates and they get raped a lot other women have never been raped So one of the characteristics of the girl who gets raped a lot and one of those characteristics that she shares with you um She's not aware of what she's doing to put herself in situation Yeah, yeah, you're getting raped a lot Not annually, but you are getting raped a lot and it happens again and again and again and I I suspect you've only told me 5% Of it because you know being raped is incredibly traumatizing and you know, I want to be sympathetic sympathetic But you know what you've gone through the trauma you've gone through you've you've probably only told me You know the tiniest amount of it because it's just so painful to recollect the number of times that you've been raped So I think I'm true That's okay. I understand the the trauma being raped and the memory You're being a little bit hyperbolic here You don't feel like you're being you know raped by people who take advantage of your kindness No, I would say rape rape is a strong word. I think taking advantage of or um um You know, yeah, I'm abused at some level But my point is like See when I see situations like this, I think wow There's just a lot of broken people out there And like most people are broken and you just have to assume that going to going into it and I mean, I really felt like I'd taken the precautions of not getting raped to use your physiology Like I feel like I've done You know a credible job being diligent to the extent that I had time to do All right, but you do bring up a good point. I'm not I'm not trying to dismiss your um criticism because I think Obviously if the pattern keeps repeating there's something I'm doing that's wrong It's something I'm doing that's encouraging. So Let me let me bounce something off you go ahead finish your thought No, no, no like, um I just this was one assumption about human nature that I make right that people If given The adequate space and opportunity They'll sort of outgrow their Sort of bad pattern, you know they'll They'll make a leap they'll make the quantum leap out of their selfishness And so it's an assumption I like to test so part of it was like Here I am again. I'm going to test this theory of mine, right? And maybe it'll bear fruit this time So I'm recently familiar with people who've been given, you know amazing opportunities just you know fantastic opportunities and You know, they started to take advantage of them and then they just disappeared like no no word no message You know, they just you know leave other people in the lodge So they were given, you know opportunities way above and beyond their own merits But right and they sort of knew they weren't worthy. So they just ghosted they just couldn't take they couldn't take the They couldn't take the destruction of their self-loathing narrative Well something but they were afraid to success. They were afraid to succeed. They were afraid to Because before if you're poor and you're hurt You can lean on your poverty as being the cause of your hurt, but someone Threatens to take away your poverty Then you're just left with your hurt Right, then you have to confront your hurt. Yeah Is that what you know what I'm saying bro? Yeah, and then you know many people are just you know inconsiderate a hauls, which is why they're poor And so you you give them a wonderful opportunity and they will you know continue to be inconsiderate a hauls, but His is something perhaps related that I wanted to bounce off you Give you give you my theory and then get get your theory on what's going on. So I noticed with with many of my my sponsors Who have trouble with deading and under earning? They love to spend money on chiropractic acupuncture Uh, you know all these bespoke therapies where you know, they are nurtured and you know treated as individuals and You know listen to it's just so Fills them up inside and I love that stuff too because I love you know the bespoke approach something that's individualized I remember this physical therapist I used to go to like I was a favorite at the office and I would kind of you know Float with the girls who worked there and I just had a wonderful time And I felt very taken care of and nurtured when I'd go there And so this also connects with my earlier point about you know seeking attention as a You know a online personality It is so much easier to fill yourself up with you know other people telling you how wonderful you are You know whether you have to pay them or whether you have to just pay them by telling them things they want to hear As opposed to standing on your own two feet They're learning procedures and techniques for taking care of your own aches and pains So you stop you know throwing money away or you stop you know deforming yourself in In your desire for you know other people to stroke you so Any thoughts on this this very common human need for you know individualized attention where Essentially you're you're paying to be the object of somebody's attention Rather than learning to stand on your own two feet and give yourself the attention and care that you need Yeah, and the fact that really jumps to mind is nail salons Yeah, like women and nail salons and you walk by a nail salon And you know you have these usually Vietnamese women Sort of tending the neck the fingernails of these women with these non non and it's like People like to be doted on apparently and I think that's what that whole ritual is all about and like Do you really need paint on your fingernails? Is that really what it's all about? I don't think so So I think your point is it's correct. I think people like this obsessive attention being put upon them Yeah, because it's a lot it's a lot easier to fill up You know when you buy someone's attention or it's like, you know, it's akin to buying a hooker Rather than learning to give yourself attention like You can give yourself attention. You can give yourself validation. You can give yourself love, but you have to earn it Right. And that's why when I go to a restaurant and then there's a waitress And she's very sweet and polite to me I get this really just Quite a lot of feeling because it's knowing how to try and hold situations and um That's the extent like you can stand on your own two feet like I One thing I keep telling my sponsors is like stack up wins You know, if you're struggling with your family, you're struggling with your your job You're struggling with an addiction. You're struggling with social failure and humiliation. Just stack up wins Whether it's doing pull-ups doing push-ups taking cold showers praying Meditating setting the bible going to synagogue going to church joining a stamp club going to yoga Um, you know applying for a better paying work Like do the things you need to do like right in a journal, you know, learn to address your your unmet needs that other people aren't Meeting, um, you know, learn to address your your pain like do the things you need to do stack up those wins You know learn to fill yourself up You know learn to stand on your own two feet like I love the admiration of pretty women Like I find it absolutely intoxicating and I have the privilege of interacting with you know Live in and around Beverly Hills You know, I have the privilege of interacting with a lot of pretty young women and I can be funny and And charismatic and I can grab their attention and it can just you know wash over me But it's so much harder but so much more important to give myself That attention so I can treat it when it comes from pretty young women as you know, this is a lovely bonus But I don't deform myself to you know, sustain their good opinions You know, I don't sell myself out to you know, try to hold on to their their attention I don't they become some you know creep hitting on them Unproductive Lee and unwontedly Because I'm not coming from that needy place And I see also with you know live streamers and podcasters There's just so much need to the extent it can give you a headache, you know when you encounter these the needy attention seekers online and Or in real life and to the extent that people can I really believe that we can fill ourselves up Not not 100% You know, I there's something to that song people who need people the luckiest people in the world But from from my mind you can fill yourself up, you know 50 60 percent And then you know get the other 40 percent, you know appropriately without deforming yourself, you know without constricting and contorting yourself and You can you know operate much more effectively Rather than you know buying or deforming yourself for you know other people's nurturing and attention Yeah Everything you say is true But It just when I have these experiences my my reaction is to just Retreat just you know, you get your hand burnt on the hot stove. Yep a retreat into isolation at least You won't burn your hand, you know and like And then after a prolonged period of isolation, I'm like Well, this isolation really isn't healthy. Maybe I should venture out start meeting people you're in the green room cycle repeats yeah, so um, you remind me a little bit of Dennis Dennis Dale so um Dennis I I went on Dennis Dale's stream on Friday afternoon And I talked about you know major theme of my themes is how stupid much of the the contemporary right is And so I I took I took the 48 minutes that I did with Dennis Dale I I clipped it and put it on my channel with the headline. Why is the right so stupid these days part two and Dennis Dennis commented Why why am I featured in the why is the right so stupid broadcast? What are you trying to say Luke? so I I didn't know if this is just a joke from Dennis, but you know some people have a need to be hurt Like some people have a need to feel victimized some people are just looking to be victimized They have this narrative that other people will just screw them over And so once they feel victimized they can then you know retreat into hurt and victimization Not saying that's what's going on with Dennis, but it's just something that I see constantly that you know I saw constantly in my own life and then constantly in other people's life The the people put themselves deliberately in situations to be screwed over because that then validates Their most intensely held narratives from early childhood any resonance with your own situation Um, perhaps I mean I guess I mean I really thought I'd sort of yield all this kind of shit Choose my language But At some level, you know I do want to socialize with people. I enjoy socializing with people, right? So I go out into the world And I I try to socialize And when I socialize I get hit with so much static so much Uh like lgbt nonsense or you know business blow-ups or it's like Why bro? Why? Why must it be like this? Like I have to self reflect bro. At the end of the day. I'm I'm responsible. I need to interrogate Myself to figure out what I'm putting out there that's creating these situations Need to interrogate interrogate whiteness, bro Yeah, a lot of enacting of whiteness over over the weekend. You see those on twitter bro. It's just Whiteness is just spreading Oh So all right, let's let's table this conversation. Let's just talk about one thing. So my twitter feed I may have mentioned to you is um It's gotten really hardcore a lot of like this grotesque content And this is nothing. I don't feel like I've ever sought out I mean I clicked on it when it appeared. I think this piece of you know Terrible content shows up in my feed. I click on it and that tells the algorithm that I want more of it and more of it keeps appearing And some of it I just can't help but click on and now it's my my whole feed is flooded with um horrendous pictures of people falling off bridges or or getting you know Just stupid shit like that and I just don't want that in my life Yeah, I'm just wondering is this is this just me or is did elon tweak the algorithm? Well, I think elon removed employees and the algorithm that used to minimize that terrible stuff Yeah So I think it lays a fair because without tweaking the algorithm and having moderators This is what takes over because this is what you know generates reaction and engagement All right, but what does it say about me that the algorithm thinks this is what I want like Well, it's reflecting your choices. So for example, most people that I follow on twitter are academics Who are who tend to be on the left? So I get Very little of this content that you're describing because I deliberately follow people with PhDs Who have prestigious positions in society and therefore are strongly incentivized and not to post, you know, horrible things Well, I basically follow people that are in your audience. Yeah. Yeah, you basically follow my audience But I don't follow my audience, you know, I follow left-wing academics I see I made a very subtle mistake What does this in fact say about you Luke in your audience? Yeah, well, I'm I'm interested I'm I'm interested in In The right-wing approach to life like I I am not comfortable with left-wing punditry. I just makes me Not feel good. Like I like listening to right-wing commentary. I mean moderates amounts of it So I'm you know, my instincts are on the right But I'm happy to also, you know interrogate my instincts. But yeah, my audience is just isn't right That's my primary audience and that's the way it is and I'm fine with that, you know, I'm not going to appeal to You know meth using high school dropouts, you know, my audience, you know, has an average IQ of 120 Yeah well, all right, so let's change track one more time so you know, it's Gay pride month we need a full month Luke as you know as AMG would remind us um And now These flags are just everywhere And they're so gross They're just so childlike, you know, there's these primary color rainbow flags that are just as simplistic as you can get and they're just so They're completely devoid of any sort of adult's taste, you know And I'm just wondering like is this ever dawn on them because Homosexuals for all, you know all their peccadillos They used to be known for like a very refined aesthetic sense And this is just so absent in this flag this hideous rainbow flag and now this new rainbow flag with all these other little Corners, it's just so silly. It's stupid and nauseating And I just have a visual reaction every time I see it. Do you have this reaction? I don't um I think You know, I'm I'm a ridiculous person in many ways and I've said I've done many Ridiculous things and you know, I find some some of these expressions that you're talking about absolutely ridiculous but I you know reflect I'm I'm an idiot too and Some of these expressions are idiotic. So no, I don't usually have the reaction you describe Maybe more intense in San Francisco, but uh San Francisco is where you choose to live and this is you know part of the The price. I mean you could live in a in a red state area. What which wouldn't have this Yeah, but it really isn't just San Francisco anymore. Look, it's like the White House lawn, you know, you saw that Idiot display Just idiots would be unimaginable when I was growing up unimaginable And here it is and it's just not even doesn't even raise eyebrows I just really get start doing spiraling when I see stuff like this I think I I think because I'm sorry most in orthodox Judaism. I don't um I I'm more protected. You know, it doesn't doesn't seem to play as much of a much of a role, you know It's just, you know, much of the outside world is incredibly degenerate and and perverse And I I cling to my guns and my religion, bro Yeah, that's a good idea, but you see what I mean? It's like every year They're never going to be satisfied with never No matter what threshold is crossed There's still empty husks of people And they need to keep doing the keep need to keep doubling down, you know Real lgdp bubla awareness hasn't been tried yet and When is the pushback gonna come? I look when people do ridiculous things like this I I like to think that I recognize that I'm I'm equally ridiculous in my own ways. So I I don't have that but that's not true Because you're not equally ridiculous. You know, we're all jesting aside Ridiculous, right? I mean But I am I have you you're infinitely tolerant on certain in certain domains your tolerance and forgiveness expands beyond all healthy proportions And so you and I have the same problem and then ultimately we get bitten by it. Don't you think? No, because what I'm tolerating is reality I have no power to affect the amount of gay pride that that is displayed. I have zero influence So I don't believe in in being at war with reality But if I have no ability to change that then I should accept it All right, let's say let's forget. Let's let's let's So the let's just take your Your premise here Let's say instead of gay flag gay pride flags hanging everywhere. Let's say they were just the corpses of hanged men dripping from telephone poles Would you have the same attitude like yeah, I think about all the men that I Wanted to hang this What? I think about all the men that I wanted to hang and they recognize that I had this darkness in my hands all and And I try to see what was you know aesthetic and you know try to find something uplifting In all the corpses and no, I mean in that situation I'd move So if San Francisco is really getting on your nerves and you can't handle it You either change how your reactions, right? You either have the courage to make the changes you need to make Or you need to find the serenity to accept the things that you can't change But luke when I'm you know, yes, I'm in san francisco, but If you turn on the TV you actually just brush your if you rub your face against the sandpaper Of the popular media It's right there luke all the time 24 seven Say that watch tv like watch Torah talks I don't so what i'm saying is is mighty in san francisco is not a factor here. I think it's This the generic culture has taken over the country. Yeah, I just feel like why don't you just see These are the external expressions of your own internal degeneracy. I mean you've been pretty degenerate at times Why don't you Just accept that this is an externalization of degeneracy that's inside of you. It's a different type of degeneracy Because when I was degenerate I knew I was being degenerate, right? They're being degenerate and they think it's healthy and they think it's virtue Is a difference but how times how many times have you fooled yourself when you thought I'm not being degenerate But you were being degenerate how many times you've fooled yourself about all sorts of things. So we all feel ourselves We're all idiots At times, you know Why not think of the time that you ran a red light But we're all just we're all just we're all just Reeds blowing in the wind right luke is we can do we just need That's your yes. He's very passive, bro It's uh, it's it's very accepting of reality that there are severe limits to what what we can what can you do about gay pride There's nothing that you can do I can call in I can call into live stream and express my revulsion at the very least right Yes, and I can make jokes and uh I just surprised that there's Yeah Yes, surprise. There's just so few people I could talk to that share this revulsion, you know, and that's what's most depressing But I mean Okay, can you can you think of like revolting things about yourself and just see this you know revolting behavior And I do that like 90 of the time but like 10 percent of time. Can I just allocate that time to just my environment? Yeah, I mean that's why you should belong to an orthodox synagogue You can go to an orthodox synagogue and you can They don't have me I don't qualify bro Why because your mother is not jewish No, only only my father might be No, I'm just Calf to the wolves bro. I'm not in the tribe Well, I mean you can join like a um If you join any athletic group, right? It's going to be overwhelmingly heterosexual And and the more the more masculine the endeavor like if you join a weightlifting group Right. Well, you know what I'm getting into but I'm getting into auto repair. So, okay That that is not gonna be I think you I think you've come up with a solution. I need to do like a weekend warrior mechanics group Yeah, yeah do do hyper masculine activities and you're not going to be surrounded by a lot of gay pride There you go, bro You solved it You're like another genus pride group. I can't believe people aren't like You know walking around muttering Luke's name under their breath and shaking their head me Knowing amusement and He did it bro All right, I gotta finish my dinner. All right. Thanks, bro. Okay. All right. Cheers. Hello. Okay. Hello. Hello